CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia

doodah · 02-09-2010, 11:39 PM

Snowmageddon??? Don't blame Mother Nature. It's ALL MANMADE!

Since the middle of December, southwest Virginia has been heavily chemtrailed. All of the abnormally gray sky we're having has been artificially created, we have been deliberately deprived of our normal amount of sunshine - which has kept our temps lower than normal and our heating bills high. The East Coast blizzard before Christmas and the one in early February were heavily chemtrailed (manmade) events. This is not Mother Nature at all. There's NOTHING natural about this, and I want to prove it, starting now.

I'm so angry about how we're being manipulated that I'm forming a Chemtrail Watch group to collect data, get time/date-encoded time-lapse video, and use all this data to prepare a PowerPoint presentation for public education and for presentation to local, state, and national governing boards. We're going to demand answers and we're going to present proof. No more of this "it's just regular jet traffic" nonsense.

This whole thing may be weather wars aimed at Washington, DC, since they in fact have taken the brunt of these two major storms, but that's just a guess.

Anyone on this forum who knows anyone in southwest Virginia, or the mountains of North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, or West Virginia, will you help out by sending them an email about this group now forming? They should indicate their interest by emailing ctwatch22@aol.com and we'll send them info on how we're going about this. We don't need their name, just their initials (in case we get more than one person in the same location) and their email address.

Thanks so much! You're a great bunch of people!

Erin · 02-10-2010, 12:31 AM

Hi Doodah,

Let us know how it's going. It sounds as if you're not necessarily set out to link the trails with poison, but proving that specific acts of spraying creates weather patterns that cause major destruction, unaffordable costs, etc.

I'm a couple of states north of you. We experienced 20+ inches of snow during the storm this past Friday. The next morning was crystal clear but then, yes, more trails around mid morning... while we're digging out and under a state of emergency.

The light of it is, people come together.

Erin

doodah · 02-10-2010, 02:53 AM

There's a definite pattern. Just check your local long range forecast and you'll see what they're planning for your area. Start watching two days before they plan to make it snow or rain or sleet. Sure enough, they will be chemtrailing, creating the cloud cover that they need. Without that cloud cover, it CANNOT snow, rain, or sleet.

Also, you can notice whether there are any clouds actually moving INTO your area from somewhere else. With all this chemtrailing, there has been very little cloud "movement." They're creating them on the spot right above our heads. It's that gray haze that is unnatural, especially at this time of year where I live.

My own local Chemtrail Planner had snow planned for this coming Sunday (60%). Now I see they've changed their minds. They're going to let us have sunshine for a whole week and skip the weekend snowstorm.

We had 28 inches from the Christmas blizzard which never melted for a whole month because they kept on socking us in and not letting the sun get through. This last one, we have another foot.

Like I say, I think it's aimed at DC.

SteveX · 02-10-2010, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by doodah

[B][SIZE="4"] I'm so angry about how we're being manipulated that I'm forming a Chemtrail Watch group to collect data, get time/date-encoded time-lapse video, and use all this data to prepare a PowerPoint presentation for public education and for presentation to local, state, and national governing boards. We're going to demand answers and we're going to present proof. No more of this "it's just regular jet traffic" nonsense.

I'm very sceptic about this chem trail thing. I think you could reasonabley understand my view point. They look like regular con trails to me. However, there is talk of it and I applaud anyone who wants to prove it. It's one thing to plot dates and times of aircraft so they can be ticked off against scheduled flights but air pollutant tests need to be done. No one seems willing to do that. Surely that would be proof positive?

doodah · 02-10-2010, 02:57 AM

air pollutant tests need to be done. No one seems willing to do that. Surely that would be proof positive?

Yes, indeed, it would. Do you know anyone who could pay for such tests? We need someone with a private plane who could fly underneath and scoop up some of that junk they're putting in the air, and then have it tested. We could also use infra-red video equipment so we can prove that they continue to lay chemtrails even after the sky is completely clouded over.

swordsmith · 02-10-2010, 09:10 AM

doodah, execellent that you are doing something, whatever the end result you will spread awareness. There are renewed energies in the pipeline regarding exposing chemtrails , you must be part of the flow in that regard. More power to you and all you manage to get on board.

I'm pretty sure there is a group trying to get money together to do an aerial air grab in the US , some of them are posters on GLP, you could search it. It's a madhouse of a forum but there is some amazing info there amongst the extreme disinfo and shilling. I'll try and find it. I don't know what transpired , I was banned for a while, you just can not mention the Tavistock or Stanford Research on that place, geeee I wonder why.

Steve X you might like to do some research on the subject . Some of the most highly intelligent people I've ever met ( virtually and in person) have devoted years of their lives gathering data and exposing this atrocity, I suggest you make an effort to find out why.
I guess you'd have to start at the beginning, so here it is plane and simple, contrails vs chemtrails. (Pun intended)
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cm...d=76&Itemid=50

For anyone else interested there is a good current talk by Andrew Johnson on red ice, the subscribers part 2 is available onlline free, and I am sure he would not mind my saying so.
http://www.mediafire.com/?hnm43jm4my2

This " stuff" coming out of UNMARKED ( illegal ) airplanes is seriously affecting people, the whole electrical field is being manipulated and is really adding to dumbing people down, mentally and spritiually , especially combined with cell towers TV etc. No wonder people cant "see" them. Never mind the barium toxicity and aluminium poisoning. Morgellons ain't that great either.

I never did like a crime against humanity.

SteveX · 02-10-2010, 01:31 PM

I stopped reading Covert spraying link after this sentence.

[quote/] Genuine jet contrails typically dissipate entirely within a few seconds, or at the most a few minutes after being laid down. [quote]

That is simply not true. Con trails, under certain conditions, can linger for almost an hour. If you doubt that then it means "they" have been doing it since the 60's....according to my personal observations.

Please forgive my scepticism and I'm not here to poo poo the theory. If indeed they are chem trailing our sceptred Isle I'll be camping at number 10. For me to get on board I'd want more proof i.e air pollutant data. If that’s not possible them I'd need data from petro chemical / pharmaceutical comings and going at our air bases. There will be tankers delivering this stuff. Considering the size of our country and our relaxed state of security I think word would creep out of unusual shenanigans. That could come from the manufacture of the chemicals or the suppliers to the manufacturers. It could come from that haulage companies office staff or drivers. Then you have RAF personal. From pilots to guardsmen. Quite frankly there's thousands upon thousands of people involved both here in the UK and abroad. Somewhere along that line of infrastructure someone would hear of the chem trail theory and put 2 & 2 together.

Sorry for interrupting the thread with my negativity but the quoted line above makes me shiver with disbelief... sorry.

Julius · 02-10-2010, 03:35 PM

doodah, I hope you can get to the bottom of this..http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/i...lightsabre.gif

Last night, on my drive home, for the very first time since observing chemtrails over Montreal, I saw a black chemtrail....two of them. It freaked me out totally. In the past 3 years there were always white, but yesterday sent a chill down my spine. I wish I had a camera...

doodah · 02-10-2010, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Julius

...I wish I had a camera...

Yes, Julius, exactly. Everyone sees something once in a while. We're going to try to do very coordinated observations over a specific time span and record everything we see in that time, as well as, hopefully get coordinated time-date-encoded/time-lapse video so that anybody with eyes will be able to see that cloud cover RESULTED from all those chemtrails. There's nothing natural about the solid gray skies we've had here in southwestern Virginia, or the two blizzards that have hit this area. The complexities of weather systems aside, chemtrailing before a blizzard, creating cloud cover? Whyever for unless you want to be SURE there are clouds? It will not snow if there are not clouds, and if they'd stop chemtrailing us we'd have mostly blue skies, as is normal for here, and as we had for one solid glorious week in January... no chemtrails during that time.

swordsmith · 02-10-2010, 09:59 PM

I'm going to call a spade a spade, steve X you are either a shill or very very unobservant, god help you either way.
doodah I will do what I can to further your efforts, and this is NOT a debate, IMO, if it is , let me know then I am out of here, the time for debate is over.

doodah · 02-10-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by swordsmith

I'm going to call a spade a spade, steve X you are either a shill or very very unobservant, god help you either way.
doodah I will do what I can to further your efforts, and this is NOT a debate, IMO, if it is , let me know then I am out of here, the time for debate is over.

Sorry, swordsmith, no offense meant there! I meant "thank you for answering steveX" because I didn't want to get into that kind of discussion/ confrontation/ argument/ exchange of viewpoints, whatever... I called it a "debate," maybe a poor choice of words! That isn't my purpose here, and I hope you picked up that I very much appreciate your comments in sort of "handling" that part of this. It's not that I mind that kind of exchange here if that's what people want to get into, it's just I'm not putting any time into it. So thank you again!

I also appreciate your further comment to steveX, because surely that is what I was also thinking! You read my mind!

Best wishes!

Tatiana · 02-11-2010, 12:51 AM

Hello everyone - been lurking here for years and finally joined, but only got around now to post here for the first time, so go easy on me, ok?

Anyway, for those of you who still are sitting on the fence about the Contrail/Chemtrail issue, the next two sites are by people who have done the research (especially the second site) did the lab tests - there really is a difference between the two! For one, Clifford E Carnicom the owner of the second site, did a simple experiment some years ago (I don't know if he still has it on his site, but it was when he first started investigating them), he had some software which allowed him to see the identifiers of each commercial and private air plane which passed over his region. Whenever one passed that was doing chemtrails it turned out he could not get any identifiers for that flight because it was military and therefore excluded from the capabilities of the program.

The most obvious difference between condensation trails and chemical trails is the fact that the first dissipates after a short while after the plane passes and is pure white. Chemtrails on the other hand broaden out behind the plane and keep getting more spread out as time passes - until finally the whole sky is covered with a gray haze, which also creates a dirty rainbow halo if the sun (or the moon) shines through them. Which are two easy ways to separate chemtrails from condensation trails with simple observations anyone can do - the fact that they don't dissipate with time, the grayish color when spread out and the dirty halos.

I might also mention the fact that besides the fact that chemtrails apparently issue from military planes, they clearly do not follow established flight routes but are laid in a checkerboard pattern with sometimes a giant X pattern overlay as well - usually by a number of planes flying together at high altitudes - all of which can also be observed in a short time from numerous places throughout the country if not the world by now.

Until very recently I had a link from a California weather person who actually posted warnings of chemtrail activity on his site! I was hoping to give you a link, but he has a new website and this feature is no longer available. I kid you not! You should have seen some of the satellite images he had there of chemtrail activity!!! Once you see this you will have to face the fact that something else is going on - why would planes on a daily basis almost go back and forth over a region and then go across in the same manner - literally hundreds of trails until the entire sky is covered?

Here is the link to his site anyway:

http://www.scwxa.org/scwa.html

Maybe you can contact him about the chemtrail alerts he used to have and see if he will post them again. He is on twitter and facebook.

http://www.willthomasonline.net/will...CONFIRMED.html

http://carnicom.com/

Anyway, chemtrails is just one small part of a much larger pattern of intervention into natural weather patterns for dubious reasons at best. From what I have heard, chemtrails are first of all a means to facilitate long distance military communications, but also they seem to have other purposes piggy backed on them (why not, that is a lot of fuel they burn laying all of that graffiti!), C Carnicom has found all kinds of substances in the fallout from these trails, biologicals too, I think those lab tests are still on his site, he did those years ago!

Here is the real problem:

http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf

If you look at this document (which has long been declassified and comes directly from the public portion of the US military website) you will get an idea what their plans are and believe me, they must be way beyond what is outlined here or else it would not have been made available to the public!

The following two links are from Col Bearden's site and are some presentations about man made weather and hint at what technologies are at their disposal. I encourage you to take a look at some of his other presentations also. You will get the idea that things have progressed much further than the average person can fathom watching faux snooze!

The last link is to Bearden's sitemap if you are interested. Btw, he also has an over unity device he would like to market to the world but you guessed it - snag after snag has hit him and he is still at square one. For a while he even got very sick, I'm sure it was a coincidence (or not).

http://cheniere.org/toc.html (site map)

http://cheniere.org/satellite%20rada...ies/index.html

http://cheniere.org/clouds/index.html

I don't mean to scare you, but what we are up against is really monumental and if you ask me, way beyond our capacity to stop at this point. Well maybe if we stopped funding the programs, everyone refused to fight their wars for profit, I mean a loud message of 'enough already' - it would really need a major refusal to cooperate in any manner with those responsible and all who are helping and supporting them - but that is another can of worms, for one, we are way too divided and to do anything significant we would really have to act as one globally, because this is a global threat!

And 'they' know we don't have the unity to do this, in fact they made sure of it!

So fasten your seat belts, seems we are in for a rough ride mates!

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Magamud · 02-11-2010, 01:16 AM

I use my memory on this subject. I can remember watching jets all the time and there was none of this years ago. There was blue skies, natural forming clouds etc... I can see use of weather modification, correlate Tesla tech and see the propaganda to minimize and normalize this bull *****...

doodah · 02-11-2010, 02:22 AM

[QUOTE=Magamud;236657]I use my memory on this subject. I can remember watching jets all the time and there was none of this years ago. There was blue skies, natural forming clouds etc... I can see use of weather modification, correlate Tesla tech and see the propaganda to minimize and normalize this bull *****...[/QUOTE]

Yes, Megamud. Blue skies and natural clouds. We need to really value and honor our old people now, because pretty soon they will be the only ones who ever knew what a natural planet was like. They're killing off everything, and now they're killing the sky.

I think the only kind of clouds they can't make with chemtrails are the big fat puffy cumulus clouds. They're still natural. But anything thin and wispy is very suspect. I've actually recently seen a complete transformation from straight line chemtrail to "mare's tails," like giant commas in the sky. They're getting really sneaky with this stuff!

doodah · 02-11-2010, 02:36 AM

QUOTE=Tatiana--I don't mean to scare you, but what we are up against is really monumental and if you ask me, way beyond our capacity to stop at this point....this is a global threat!

Tatiana... thanks for that! Good info for whoever needs it.

It is true that these are very powerful people we are up against. Through media they are producing a nation of zombies. However, there are BILLIONS of us "little folks" out here and some of us are awake. All it would take, really, is a Worldwide Do Nothing Day, where all us little folks just sat down and did nothing. Literally, absolutely not one thing that supports them, especially not spending any money. They need us and cannot do what they do without us being their hands.

Magamud · 02-11-2010, 02:56 AM

Soon im sure they will get their agenda without leaving chemtrails. They will invent an invisible spray. NASA just released an education for kids on cloud formations and 90% were chemtrail clouds. They are changing our genetic makeup and changing the planet to an alternate universe.

doodah · 02-11-2010, 05:14 AM

So, Megamud, do you take that as positive and desirable (for the human race) or the opposite?

And BTW, I see you are from North Carolina. We're asking people from the central-to-western part of NC to join us in our chemtrail data gathering. Would you be interested?

And, right... I didn't know about the NASA thing for kids, but there you go. There will soon be generations of people who think chemtrails are normal and have no concept of what is natural for this planet. NASA should be ashamed of themselves! What a scam is being perpetrated here! It's all happening remarkably fast.

SteveX · 02-10-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by swordsmith

I'm going to call a spade a spade, steve X you are either a shill or very very unobservant, god help you either way.
doodah I will do what I can to further your efforts, and this is NOT a debate, IMO, if it is , let me know then I am out of here, the time for debate is over.

You are quite entitled to your opinion but as a pragmatist I interjected by saying air pollutant would be proof positive. I've read about these chem trails and watched vids on Youtube. No one seems to want to do air samples, which confounds me. Obviously there are funding problems involved for individuals but if Doodah is going to organise something then air samples are a must. Do you not agree?

I'm not talking you out of it just stating that you need more than a log filled with aircraft fly byes. I've said you could also tanker spot at air bases. Those chemicals are not going to arrive by magic. Someone has to manufacture the stuff then get it transported. Too practical a suggestion? Too much common sense involved? So much so I have to be a "SHILL?"

Na! mate. You just keep shaking your fist at the sky. I'll brew another cuppa.

swordsmith · 02-11-2010, 12:42 AM

keeping brewing buddy, nothing to see here. When you wake up let us know.

ad.johnson · 02-11-2010, 08:32 AM

[QUOTE=SteveX;236352]I stopped reading Covert spraying link after this sentence.

[quote] Genuine jet contrails typically dissipate entirely within a few seconds, or at the most a few minutes after being laid down.

Quote:

That is simply not true. Con trails, under certain conditions, can linger for almost an hour. If you doubt that then it means "they" have been doing it since the 60's....according to my personal observations.

Please forgive my scepticism and I'm not here to poo poo the theory. If indeed they are chem trailing our sceptred Isle I'll be camping at number 10. For me to get on board I'd want more proof i.e air pollutant data. If that’s not possible them I'd need data from petro chemical / pharmaceutical comings and going at our air bases. There will be tankers delivering this stuff. Considering the size of our country and our relaxed state of security I think word would creep out of unusual shenanigans. That could come from the manufacture of the chemicals or the suppliers to the manufacturers. It could come from that haulage companies office staff or drivers. Then you have RAF personal. From pilots to guardsmen. Quite frankly there's thousands upon thousands of people involved both here in the UK and abroad. Somewhere along that line of infrastructure someone would hear of the chem trail theory and put 2 & 2 together.

Sorry for interrupting the thread with my negativity but the quoted line above makes me shiver with disbelief... sorry.

Ahh - I see - can you give some time lapse video of these long lasting trails then please?

Can you please hire a plane and get a sample and get it tested for us? You are not poo pooing and need this data, so perhaps you can help to get it?

Is it natural for civilian air traffic to form grids and triangles? Can you prove to me that the flights listed on the dates given in that report are ALL civilian or military aircraft? Contrail-believers like the CAA etc could not prove to me that those flights were civilian or military - they could not tell me what they were. So their theory that that is what they were/are remains unproven.

But the trails continue - and they're not all from civilian aircraft (the ones that are I am not interested in).

For those struggling with this, here is a helpful video filmed by Scott Stevens a few years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRmfOVWK0k

Start at about 40 seconds.

Please feel free to debate the issue endlessly, using anonymous handles which can't be used to identify you....

taomation · 02-11-2010, 09:11 AM

Hi All,

Just my two cents. I didn't read all the posts, but did most of them. Anyone who can't see the Chemtrail effects, especially after observing the trails for a while has a problem with their right brain and simply can't recognize patterns.

Kerry interviewed Scott Stevens on her radio show. His site is one of the best I have ever seen on Chemtrails and this is from a weather man.

http://www.weatherwars.info/

Here is another link from Austraila where the guy sent rain water to a lab and the results where mind boggling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn2c-1xmgg

This phenomanon is happening all over the world. Here in L.A. the weather of clear blue skies I grew up with now resembles London gray most of the time.

Peace

swordsmith · 02-11-2010, 12:49 PM

Thanks everyone for the useful responses and yes it feels like it is of timely importance to keep pushing for exposure while it is still possible to see what's up. Even that is harder as the sky is so heavily saturated one can hardly see a clear blue background .
All I can say it that the trails have changed over the years and they are worse than ever. I can accurately predict that any blue sky day will be obliterated within 24 hours here in England, and no that's not normal.

heh heh heh , the right brain function and pattern recognition, good one, thanks for that.

So here is the link for the intended chemtrail " blockbuster", it pains me to type that, but you never know:
http://chemtrailmovie.webs.com/

It looks like a blank canvas so far.

SteveX · 02-11-2010, 04:43 PM

Ad.Johnson

I have entered this thread in an open honest fashion. I have declared my stance and stated my personal opinion from the outset. I have not stated, "chem trails do not exist." I remind all here that this fact has been overlooked.

My motives for entering this thread were based on the thought that proof positive was required for sceptics like myself to get on board. It seems some are confused, and I don't mean to be condescending, by the difference between a sceptic and a non-believer.

Johnson. In effect you are asking me, a self-confessed and open-minded sceptic, to prove my case. I am not the plaintiff here. It's your side of the argument that has brought the charges of chem trails. That's bye the bye as I'm not here to debate "if" or "not" chem trails exist. Again, this fact seems to be overlooked.

I'm opened minded to viewing any poignant and validated evidence. I am not persuaded by logbooks of fly byes, hear say or web links with outlandish, ineffective and plain wrong rhetoric. Neither am I persuaded by paranoia and or ignorance.

Gentlemen, I was fully aware, that upon entering this thread, that my stance could be conceived as controversial. My opinion of scepticism has not been changed thus far. My stance is as it was but I apologise for any misconceptions and failure on my part to avoid controversy. I wish you well with you endeavour’s and, as not to divert your inspiration before this thread slides further into one of honour, I respectfully withdraw.

Good luck.

Connecting with Sauce · 02-12-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveX

Ad.Johnson

I have entered this thread in an open honest fashion. I have declared my stance and stated my personal opinion from the outset. I have not stated, "chem trails do not exist." I remind all here that this fact has been overlooked.

My motives for entering this thread were based on the thought that proof positive was required for sceptics like myself to get on board. It seems some are confused, and I don't mean to be condescending, by the difference between a sceptic and a non-believer.

Johnson. In effect you are asking me, a self-confessed and open-minded sceptic, to prove my case. I am not the plaintiff here. It's your side of the argument that has brought the charges of chem trails. That's bye the bye as I'm not here to debate "if" or "not" chem trails exist. Again, this fact seems to be overlooked.

I'm opened minded to viewing any poignant and validated evidence. I am not persuaded by logbooks of fly byes, hear say or web links with outlandish, ineffective and plain wrong rhetoric. Neither am I persuaded by paranoia and or ignorance.

Gentlemen, I was fully aware, that upon entering this thread, that my stance could be conceived as controversial. My opinion of scepticism has not been changed thus far. My stance is as it was but I apologise for any misconceptions and failure on my part to avoid controversy. I wish you well with you endeavour’s and, as not to divert your inspiration before this thread slides further into one of honour, I respectfully withdraw.

Good luck.

I unlike Steve am a believer that they are spraying us!... but like Steve I'm frustrated that there is no solid experiemental data available which I can use to convince more people who are sceptic like Steve or complete non-believers of CS stuff... Steve is here because he is on a path like all of us... There is another thread with all CT links on it started by Seashore.

Do I have an answer? No... but I can't see proposed list convincing anyone if we don't get the data. What we need is more people with access to equipment which can measure the air particles or air filters which can be measured for contaminations in areas of heavy spraying...

Building air filtration filters would be a good start, maybe... but I guess these are just binned and renewed. Analysing these will be the expense...

Car filters maybe from cities?

Just some ideas...

Shadowstalker · 02-14-2010, 08:03 PM

i have a new handycan and getting a digital camara in soon, where can i send pix to help us all out.

02-09-2010, 11:39 PM	#1
doodah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 373	CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia Snowmageddon??? Don't blame Mother Nature. It's ALL MANMADE! Since the middle of December, southwest Virginia has been heavily chemtrailed. All of the abnormally gray sky we're having has been artificially created, we have been deliberately deprived of our normal amount of sunshine - which has kept our temps lower than normal and our heating bills high. The East Coast blizzard before Christmas and the one in early February were heavily chemtrailed (manmade) events. This is not Mother Nature at all. There's NOTHING natural about this, and I want to prove it, starting now. I'm so angry about how we're being manipulated that I'm forming a Chemtrail Watch group to collect data, get time/date-encoded time-lapse video, and use all this data to prepare a PowerPoint presentation for public education and for presentation to local, state, and national governing boards. We're going to demand answers and we're going to present proof. No more of this "it's just regular jet traffic" nonsense. This whole thing may be weather wars aimed at Washington, DC, since they in fact have taken the brunt of these two major storms, but that's just a guess. Anyone on this forum who knows anyone in southwest Virginia, or the mountains of North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, or West Virginia, will you help out by sending them an email about this group now forming? They should indicate their interest by emailing ctwatch22@aol.com and we'll send them info on how we're going about this. We don't need their name, just their initials (in case we get more than one person in the same location) and their email address. Thanks so much! You're a great bunch of people! Last edited by doodah; 02-09-2010 at 11:54 PM.

02-10-2010, 12:31 AM	#2
Erin Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 18	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia Hi Doodah, Let us know how it's going. It sounds as if you're not necessarily set out to link the trails with poison, but proving that specific acts of spraying creates weather patterns that cause major destruction, unaffordable costs, etc. I'm a couple of states north of you. We experienced 20+ inches of snow during the storm this past Friday. The next morning was crystal clear but then, yes, more trails around mid morning... while we're digging out and under a state of emergency. The light of it is, people come together. Erin

02-10-2010, 02:53 AM	#3
doodah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 373	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia There's a definite pattern. Just check your local long range forecast and you'll see what they're planning for your area. Start watching two days before they plan to make it snow or rain or sleet. Sure enough, they will be chemtrailing, creating the cloud cover that they need. Without that cloud cover, it CANNOT snow, rain, or sleet. Also, you can notice whether there are any clouds actually moving INTO your area from somewhere else. With all this chemtrailing, there has been very little cloud "movement." They're creating them on the spot right above our heads. It's that gray haze that is unnatural, especially at this time of year where I live. My own local Chemtrail Planner had snow planned for this coming Sunday (60%). Now I see they've changed their minds. They're going to let us have sunshine for a whole week and skip the weekend snowstorm. We had 28 inches from the Christmas blizzard which never melted for a whole month because they kept on socking us in and not letting the sun get through. This last one, we have another foot. Like I say, I think it's aimed at DC.

02-10-2010, 02:57 AM	#5
doodah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 373	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia air pollutant tests need to be done. No one seems willing to do that. Surely that would be proof positive? Yes, indeed, it would. Do you know anyone who could pay for such tests? We need someone with a private plane who could fly underneath and scoop up some of that junk they're putting in the air, and then have it tested. We could also use infra-red video equipment so we can prove that they continue to lay chemtrails even after the sky is completely clouded over. Last edited by doodah; 02-10-2010 at 03:03 AM.

02-10-2010, 09:10 AM	#6
swordsmith Unsubscribed Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: south east uk Posts: 379	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia doodah, execellent that you are doing something, whatever the end result you will spread awareness. There are renewed energies in the pipeline regarding exposing chemtrails , you must be part of the flow in that regard. More power to you and all you manage to get on board. I'm pretty sure there is a group trying to get money together to do an aerial air grab in the US , some of them are posters on GLP, you could search it. It's a madhouse of a forum but there is some amazing info there amongst the extreme disinfo and shilling. I'll try and find it. I don't know what transpired , I was banned for a while, you just can not mention the Tavistock or Stanford Research on that place, geeee I wonder why. Steve X you might like to do some research on the subject . Some of the most highly intelligent people I've ever met ( virtually and in person) have devoted years of their lives gathering data and exposing this atrocity, I suggest you make an effort to find out why. I guess you'd have to start at the beginning, so here it is plane and simple, contrails vs chemtrails. (Pun intended) http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cm...d=76&Itemid=50 For anyone else interested there is a good current talk by Andrew Johnson on red ice, the subscribers part 2 is available onlline free, and I am sure he would not mind my saying so. http://www.mediafire.com/?hnm43jm4my2 This " stuff" coming out of UNMARKED ( illegal ) airplanes is seriously affecting people, the whole electrical field is being manipulated and is really adding to dumbing people down, mentally and spritiually , especially combined with cell towers TV etc. No wonder people cant "see" them. Never mind the barium toxicity and aluminium poisoning. Morgellons ain't that great either. I never did like a crime against humanity.

02-10-2010, 01:31 PM	#7
SteveX Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 356	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia I stopped reading Covert spraying link after this sentence. [quote/] Genuine jet contrails typically dissipate entirely within a few seconds, or at the most a few minutes after being laid down. [quote] That is simply not true. Con trails, under certain conditions, can linger for almost an hour. If you doubt that then it means "they" have been doing it since the 60's....according to my personal observations. Please forgive my scepticism and I'm not here to poo poo the theory. If indeed they are chem trailing our sceptred Isle I'll be camping at number 10. For me to get on board I'd want more proof i.e air pollutant data. If that’s not possible them I'd need data from petro chemical / pharmaceutical comings and going at our air bases. There will be tankers delivering this stuff. Considering the size of our country and our relaxed state of security I think word would creep out of unusual shenanigans. That could come from the manufacture of the chemicals or the suppliers to the manufacturers. It could come from that haulage companies office staff or drivers. Then you have RAF personal. From pilots to guardsmen. Quite frankly there's thousands upon thousands of people involved both here in the UK and abroad. Somewhere along that line of infrastructure someone would hear of the chem trail theory and put 2 & 2 together. Sorry for interrupting the thread with my negativity but the quoted line above makes me shiver with disbelief... sorry. Last edited by SteveX; 02-10-2010 at 03:49 PM.

02-10-2010, 03:35 PM	#8
Julius Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 37	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia doodah, I hope you can get to the bottom of this..http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/i...lightsabre.gif Last night, on my drive home, for the very first time since observing chemtrails over Montreal, I saw a black chemtrail....two of them. It freaked me out totally. In the past 3 years there were always white, but yesterday sent a chill down my spine. I wish I had a camera...

02-10-2010, 09:59 PM	#10
swordsmith Unsubscribed Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: south east uk Posts: 379	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia I'm going to call a spade a spade, steve X you are either a shill or very very unobservant, god help you either way. doodah I will do what I can to further your efforts, and this is NOT a debate, IMO, if it is , let me know then I am out of here, the time for debate is over.

02-11-2010, 12:51 AM	#12
Tatiana Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia Hello everyone - been lurking here for years and finally joined, but only got around now to post here for the first time, so go easy on me, ok? Anyway, for those of you who still are sitting on the fence about the Contrail/Chemtrail issue, the next two sites are by people who have done the research (especially the second site) did the lab tests - there really is a difference between the two! For one, Clifford E Carnicom the owner of the second site, did a simple experiment some years ago (I don't know if he still has it on his site, but it was when he first started investigating them), he had some software which allowed him to see the identifiers of each commercial and private air plane which passed over his region. Whenever one passed that was doing chemtrails it turned out he could not get any identifiers for that flight because it was military and therefore excluded from the capabilities of the program. The most obvious difference between condensation trails and chemical trails is the fact that the first dissipates after a short while after the plane passes and is pure white. Chemtrails on the other hand broaden out behind the plane and keep getting more spread out as time passes - until finally the whole sky is covered with a gray haze, which also creates a dirty rainbow halo if the sun (or the moon) shines through them. Which are two easy ways to separate chemtrails from condensation trails with simple observations anyone can do - the fact that they don't dissipate with time, the grayish color when spread out and the dirty halos. I might also mention the fact that besides the fact that chemtrails apparently issue from military planes, they clearly do not follow established flight routes but are laid in a checkerboard pattern with sometimes a giant X pattern overlay as well - usually by a number of planes flying together at high altitudes - all of which can also be observed in a short time from numerous places throughout the country if not the world by now. Until very recently I had a link from a California weather person who actually posted warnings of chemtrail activity on his site! I was hoping to give you a link, but he has a new website and this feature is no longer available. I kid you not! You should have seen some of the satellite images he had there of chemtrail activity!!! Once you see this you will have to face the fact that something else is going on - why would planes on a daily basis almost go back and forth over a region and then go across in the same manner - literally hundreds of trails until the entire sky is covered? Here is the link to his site anyway: http://www.scwxa.org/scwa.html Maybe you can contact him about the chemtrail alerts he used to have and see if he will post them again. He is on twitter and facebook. http://www.willthomasonline.net/will...CONFIRMED.html http://carnicom.com/ Anyway, chemtrails is just one small part of a much larger pattern of intervention into natural weather patterns for dubious reasons at best. From what I have heard, chemtrails are first of all a means to facilitate long distance military communications, but also they seem to have other purposes piggy backed on them (why not, that is a lot of fuel they burn laying all of that graffiti!), C Carnicom has found all kinds of substances in the fallout from these trails, biologicals too, I think those lab tests are still on his site, he did those years ago! Here is the real problem: http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf If you look at this document (which has long been declassified and comes directly from the public portion of the US military website) you will get an idea what their plans are and believe me, they must be way beyond what is outlined here or else it would not have been made available to the public! The following two links are from Col Bearden's site and are some presentations about man made weather and hint at what technologies are at their disposal. I encourage you to take a look at some of his other presentations also. You will get the idea that things have progressed much further than the average person can fathom watching faux snooze! The last link is to Bearden's sitemap if you are interested. Btw, he also has an over unity device he would like to market to the world but you guessed it - snag after snag has hit him and he is still at square one. For a while he even got very sick, I'm sure it was a coincidence (or not). http://cheniere.org/toc.html (site map) http://cheniere.org/satellite%20rada...ies/index.html http://cheniere.org/clouds/index.html I don't mean to scare you, but what we are up against is really monumental and if you ask me, way beyond our capacity to stop at this point. Well maybe if we stopped funding the programs, everyone refused to fight their wars for profit, I mean a loud message of 'enough already' - it would really need a major refusal to cooperate in any manner with those responsible and all who are helping and supporting them - but that is another can of worms, for one, we are way too divided and to do anything significant we would really have to act as one globally, because this is a global threat! And 'they' know we don't have the unity to do this, in fact they made sure of it! So fasten your seat belts, seems we are in for a rough ride mates! ----------------------- Last edited by Tatiana; 02-11-2010 at 12:59 AM.

02-11-2010, 01:16 AM	#13
Magamud Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 288	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia I use my memory on this subject. I can remember watching jets all the time and there was none of this years ago. There was blue skies, natural forming clouds etc... I can see use of weather modification, correlate Tesla tech and see the propaganda to minimize and normalize this bull *****...

02-11-2010, 02:22 AM	#14
doodah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 373	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia [QUOTE=Magamud;236657]I use my memory on this subject. I can remember watching jets all the time and there was none of this years ago. There was blue skies, natural forming clouds etc... I can see use of weather modification, correlate Tesla tech and see the propaganda to minimize and normalize this bull *****...[/QUOTE] Yes, Megamud. Blue skies and natural clouds. We need to really value and honor our old people now, because pretty soon they will be the only ones who ever knew what a natural planet was like. They're killing off everything, and now they're killing the sky. I think the only kind of clouds they can't make with chemtrails are the big fat puffy cumulus clouds. They're still natural. But anything thin and wispy is very suspect. I've actually recently seen a complete transformation from straight line chemtrail to "mare's tails," like giant commas in the sky. They're getting really sneaky with this stuff!

02-11-2010, 02:36 AM	#15
doodah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 373	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia QUOTE=Tatiana--I don't mean to scare you, but what we are up against is really monumental and if you ask me, way beyond our capacity to stop at this point....this is a global threat! Tatiana... thanks for that! Good info for whoever needs it. It is true that these are very powerful people we are up against. Through media they are producing a nation of zombies. However, there are BILLIONS of us "little folks" out here and some of us are awake. All it would take, really, is a Worldwide Do Nothing Day, where all us little folks just sat down and did nothing. Literally, absolutely not one thing that supports them, especially not spending any money. They need us and cannot do what they do without us being their hands.

02-11-2010, 02:56 AM	#16
Magamud Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 288	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia Soon im sure they will get their agenda without leaving chemtrails. They will invent an invisible spray. NASA just released an education for kids on cloud formations and 90% were chemtrail clouds. They are changing our genetic makeup and changing the planet to an alternate universe.

02-11-2010, 05:14 AM	#17
doodah Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 373	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia So, Megamud, do you take that as positive and desirable (for the human race) or the opposite? And BTW, I see you are from North Carolina. We're asking people from the central-to-western part of NC to join us in our chemtrail data gathering. Would you be interested? And, right... I didn't know about the NASA thing for kids, but there you go. There will soon be generations of people who think chemtrails are normal and have no concept of what is natural for this planet. NASA should be ashamed of themselves! What a scam is being perpetrated here! It's all happening remarkably fast. Last edited by doodah; 02-11-2010 at 05:21 AM.

02-11-2010, 12:42 AM	#19
swordsmith Unsubscribed Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: south east uk Posts: 379	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia keeping brewing buddy, nothing to see here. When you wake up let us know.

02-11-2010, 09:11 AM	#21
taomation Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 97	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia Hi All, Just my two cents. I didn't read all the posts, but did most of them. Anyone who can't see the Chemtrail effects, especially after observing the trails for a while has a problem with their right brain and simply can't recognize patterns. Kerry interviewed Scott Stevens on her radio show. His site is one of the best I have ever seen on Chemtrails and this is from a weather man. http://www.weatherwars.info/ Here is another link from Austraila where the guy sent rain water to a lab and the results where mind boggling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn2c-1xmgg This phenomanon is happening all over the world. Here in L.A. the weather of clear blue skies I grew up with now resembles London gray most of the time. Peace

02-11-2010, 12:49 PM	#22
swordsmith Unsubscribed Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: south east uk Posts: 379	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia Thanks everyone for the useful responses and yes it feels like it is of timely importance to keep pushing for exposure while it is still possible to see what's up. Even that is harder as the sky is so heavily saturated one can hardly see a clear blue background . All I can say it that the trails have changed over the years and they are worse than ever. I can accurately predict that any blue sky day will be obliterated within 24 hours here in England, and no that's not normal. heh heh heh , the right brain function and pattern recognition, good one, thanks for that. So here is the link for the intended chemtrail " blockbuster", it pains me to type that, but you never know: http://chemtrailmovie.webs.com/ It looks like a blank canvas so far. Last edited by swordsmith; 02-11-2010 at 01:11 PM.

02-11-2010, 04:43 PM	#23
SteveX Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Posts: 356	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia Ad.Johnson I have entered this thread in an open honest fashion. I have declared my stance and stated my personal opinion from the outset. I have not stated, "chem trails do not exist." I remind all here that this fact has been overlooked. My motives for entering this thread were based on the thought that proof positive was required for sceptics like myself to get on board. It seems some are confused, and I don't mean to be condescending, by the difference between a sceptic and a non-believer. Johnson. In effect you are asking me, a self-confessed and open-minded sceptic, to prove my case. I am not the plaintiff here. It's your side of the argument that has brought the charges of chem trails. That's bye the bye as I'm not here to debate "if" or "not" chem trails exist. Again, this fact seems to be overlooked. I'm opened minded to viewing any poignant and validated evidence. I am not persuaded by logbooks of fly byes, hear say or web links with outlandish, ineffective and plain wrong rhetoric. Neither am I persuaded by paranoia and or ignorance. Gentlemen, I was fully aware, that upon entering this thread, that my stance could be conceived as controversial. My opinion of scepticism has not been changed thus far. My stance is as it was but I apologise for any misconceptions and failure on my part to avoid controversy. I wish you well with you endeavour’s and, as not to divert your inspiration before this thread slides further into one of honour, I respectfully withdraw. Good luck. Last edited by SteveX; 02-11-2010 at 06:45 PM. Reason: spelling

02-14-2010, 08:03 PM	#25
Shadowstalker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Austin texas Posts: 281	Re: CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia i have a new handycan and getting a digital camara in soon, where can i send pix to help us all out.