The change in contributors to Avalon.

pilgrim · 10-09-2008, 01:24 AM

Has anyone noticed the marked change in the quality of contributors and threads to Avalon this past week or two?
The threads have become so childish, so outlandish in the accusations of whistleblowers and advocates of the call to freedom, that I for one was thinking of giving up on visiting this site. That is, until I realised that Avalon has become a victim of it's own sucess.
In other words, it has attracted a huge amount of attention from the 'enemy'.
The almost illiterate writing, unsubstantiated accusations, name calling and so on, is a deliberate attempt to put off the more serious and discerning people that visit and enjoy this site as a focal point, a gathering place, of the 'alternative community' .
I can only suggest that agent provocateurs are at work trying to disrupt the excellent work that Avalon does.
The quality of the writings for the first few weeks was absolutely brilliant. Then it started to decline as voices of descension, nit-picking etc, started to creep in.
Because of the overwhelming need for a site such as this, the avalance of new members took Kerry, Bill and the moderators by surprise. Now that it is settling down a bit we can see that we have unwelcome 'guests' amongst us that have inveigled there way in.

If that is the case, I can only ask that the genuine contributors to this forum stick with it, post your opinions with renewed vigour and know that we are making the difference by their presence. Their presence means we are getting to them.
good luck, Tom

333mark333 · 10-09-2008, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilgrim

Has anyone noticed the marked change in the quality of contributors and threads to Avalon this past week or two?
The threads have become so childish, so outlandish in the accusations of whistleblowers and advocates of the call to freedom, that I for one was thinking of giving up on visiting this site. That is, until I realised that Avalon has become a victim of it's own sucess.
In other words, it has attracted a huge amount of attention from the 'enemy'.
The almost illiterate writing, unsubstantiated accusations, name calling and so on, is a deliberate attempt to put off the more serious and discerning people that visit and enjoy this site as a focal point, a gathering place, of the 'alternative community' .
I can only suggest that agent provocateurs are at work trying to disrupt the excellent work that Avalon does.
The quality of the writings for the first few weeks was absolutely brilliant. Then it started to decline as voices of descension, nit-picking etc, started to creep in.
Because of the overwhelming need for a site such as this, the avalance of new members took Kerry, Bill and the moderators by surprise. Now that it is settling down a bit we can see that we have unwelcome 'guests' amongst us that have inveigled there way in.

If that is the case, I can only ask that the genuine contributors to this forum stick with it, post your opinions with renewed vigour and know that we are making the difference by their presence. Their presence means we are getting to them.
good luck, Tom

I stand by your words friend

10-09-2008, 01:32 AM

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linkes · 10-09-2008, 01:33 AM

I don’t know all I am reading is people with all differing opinions’

Let’s not create a victim mentality where it’s not needed

I personally have met some amazing people on this site and it’s totally up to who you choose to associate yourself with, life is full of surprises nasty and good ones.

I just had a whole debate on another thread about how we shouldn’t attract negative post.

My point is should every body good or bad not be allowed equal opportunity?

Personally I think the best place for the so called unwelcome guests is here let us choose rather to shine our light on them, they are human and each who have their own paths.

My other point is there is such a thing as reporting abusive behaviour to the moderators.

So again let s not become victims lets just accept and moderate.

Peace and Blessings
Linkes

Kahunamahalo · 10-09-2008, 01:35 AM

Just take what you want and leave the rest.

10-09-2008, 01:38 AM

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GregorArturo · 10-09-2008, 01:45 AM

Hey, it's like they say, the Truth cannot be organized. Use your discretion, on every level; from the internet to the guy who sits next to you in class.

Too bad there wasn't like a full proof ebay rating system for members versus just threads. All you got is like total posts to go by and your own discretion to what that person has already said.

http://therevolutionwillnotbeorganized.org/

Heretic · 10-09-2008, 01:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

Hey, it's like they say, the Truth cannot be organized. Use your discretion, on every level; from the internet to the guy who sits next to you in class.

Too bad there wasn't like a full proof ebay rating system for members versus just threads. All you got is like total posts to go by and your own discretion to what that person has already said.

http://therevolutionwillnotbeorganized.org/

we DO have a reputation rating

if you want to approve or disapprove someone's posting ethics or whatever you can do so by clicking on the scale icon next to the report button

Jeff Delano · 10-09-2008, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heretic

we DO have a reputation rating

if you want to approve or disapprove someone's posting ethics or whatever you can do so by clicking on the scale icon next to the report button

You got a good reputation with me now for pointing that out. I kind of like it, even though it can get to be shallow after a while haha. I guess it's just like everything else in life, it must be used in balance, everything always comes back to balance it seems.

Jeff Delano · 10-09-2008, 02:10 AM

May I also add, just like in real life it's easier to gain positive polarity in a negative society, dealing with the bs from the bs posters helps build character when dealing with those who don't share your optimism.

Is there something wrong with people who don't think like you? Or is it beautiful that the fact that others have their own opinions that are not like yours at all?

Lotus · 10-09-2008, 02:12 AM

Totally agree. Definitely a quality dip. Way too much ranting. Not enough discernment. Too much wild speculation. And some axe grinding.

Ampgod · 10-09-2008, 02:20 AM

Change does happen. Morph with it.

Why do people want to "clean it up"?
The dirt is what I need to perfect my skill of seeing these nasty parasites.

Myplanet2 · 10-09-2008, 02:30 AM

The purpose of this forum has been clearly stated.

People posting here should respect that. It's about helping the ground crew. Not inviting everyone to "prove it to you".

Do your own discerning, and let others do theirs.

I see very little value in posting that this or that is all BS. Just about everything has some truth and some fiction included.

That's where discernment comes in.

10-09-2008, 02:41 AM

On a positive note,

As an Avalon researcher with an interest in traditional
farming techniques I just ran across the
Alfred R Mann Library of Core Historical Literature of
Agriculture.

What a score this was! These are full text books online.

LIGHTEN UP PEOPLE!

Those of you who are further along are expected to help
those who are just beginning. Those of you who are unable or unwilling to participate as a teacher or student
are excused to run and play.

http://chla.library.cornell.edu/c/chla/index.html#top
Current online holdings: Pages: 850,264 Books: 1,849 (1,910 Volumes) Journals: 6 (288 Volumes)

wes_whitewolf · 10-09-2008, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

On a positive note,

As an Avalon researcher with an interest in traditional
farming techniques I just ran across the
Alfred R Mann Library of Core Historical Literature of
Agriculture.

What a score this was! These are full text books online.

LIGHTEN UP PEOPLE!

Those of you who are further along are expected to help
those who are just beginning. Those of you who are unable or unwilling to participate as a teacher or student
are excused to run and play.

http://chla.library.cornell.edu/c/chla/index.html#top
Current online holdings: Pages: 850,264 Books: 1,849 (1,910 Volumes) Journals: 6 (288 Volumes)

Right On Baggywrinkle! Now that's what this site was created for!!!!
Love & Light

MMe M · 10-09-2008, 04:55 AM

Its all good Tom/Pilgrim.

I will admit that when reading a post, spelling errors do take some of the wind from the sails. Who listens to a mental deficient?

I hope people see the message, not just the content.

Sometimes it really does help to close your eyes and try to feel the one behind the words. Often they dont match. What seems negative can be a cry for help or depression from a brother or sister. One that seems positive and full of light may in fact be a dark force. I have seen some examples of both here.

333mark333 · 10-09-2008, 05:01 AM

Im finished posting on Avalon. Too much bad vibes for me, ill leave it up to the more evolved.

This is turning into a debate, im not here for that energy.

333mark333 out

pilgrim · 10-09-2008, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

The purpose of this forum has been clearly stated.

People posting here should respect that. It's about helping the ground crew. Not inviting everyone to "prove it to you".

Do your own discerning, and let others do theirs.

I see very little value in posting that this or that is all BS. Just about everything has some truth and some fiction included.

That's where discernment comes in.

I totally agree with you and I will not argue with that, as I was making a statement and not asking for proof of anything.
Tom

Myplanet2 · 10-09-2008, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilgrim

I totally agree with you and I will not argue with that, as I was making a statement and not asking for proof of anything.
Tom

Sorry if you thought I was talking to you. It was just a bit of a rant.

Mizar · 10-09-2008, 02:44 AM

Roger that Pilgrim, most of the "sub prime" posters have only posted in the single digits, spelling errors are common, and it does seem like there's a boiler room out there somewhere posting fluff to keep us from getting to the good posts.
The first two weeks were Magic, all top Q posters getting their stuff out, people who knew their stuff after learning and experiencing pretty much on their own for 10-20 years.
Now you don't know who is reading your posts, and a lot of Quality stuff gets slammed right away by someone with a short record of contributions. Almost None of the original quality posters have ever 'dissed a post contributed by someone else, and before many backed up their posts with a link to an article or factoid somewhere.
Now that I have vented, I must say that all of the posts/contributions are here for all, newb or Veterano, I hope that every visit to CA is a good one for all who want to learn more and increase their value on the Earth's crust, No question is a bad one, ( use Search tool first) there is more to come in the future.
M

clarkkent · 10-09-2008, 01:58 AM

theres still some quality posters, but overall yes...the first 2 or 3 weeks of avalon were very high quality, especially with the PC interviewees interacting with us.

voices of reason like zynox and susan are here less and less. i think a lot of the more mature posters went over to st clairs forum.

i would be over there too, but im not 100% on him, so i stay here and hope for the occasional good post or thread.

theres still some good eggs here, but theres definitely been an influx of childeshness, paranoia and idiotic threads.

is it intentional alphabet agencies or just disruptive jerks? probably both.

ill stick around for the few good eggs till theyre gone.

Katherine · 10-09-2008, 02:00 AM

Sorry all.....

I'm with pilgrim. I too have become disenfranchaised lately due to a lot of unwanted (unnecessary - useless) comments. It takes forever to sift through it all to find a 'pearl' of wisdom. I was just about ready to leave the forum because it just takes too much time with little gain. It's fine to say - take what you want and leave the rest. That's what I try to do, but still takes much reading/time

.....somedays.....for nothing. It gets frustrating.

Maybe this too is a test.....of patience?
K

pilgrim · 10-09-2008, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katherine

Sorry all.....

I'm with pilgrim. I too have become disenfranchaised lately due to a lot of unwanted (unnecessary - useless) comments. It takes forever to sift through it all to find a 'pearl' of wisdom. I was just about ready to leave the forum because it just takes too much time with little gain. It's fine to say - take what you want and leave the rest. That's what I try to do, but still takes much reading/time

.....somedays.....for nothing. It gets frustrating.

Maybe this too is a test.....of patience?
K

Hey Katherine,
That's exactly what I'm getting at. Don't let them get to you, hang on in there.
There has been some good rational, logical replies to this thread. May not agree with them.., but they are rational.
MMe M. Forgive me, but I was trying to point out the deliberate illiteracy aimed at lowering the tone of the site to put people off. I am not the most articulate person and may not have expressed myself properly.
regards, Tom

Lance · 10-09-2008, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilgrim

Hey Katherine,
That's exactly what I'm getting at. Don't let them get to you, hang on in there.
There has been some good rational, logical replies to this thread. May not agree with them.., but they are rational.
MMe M. Forgive me, but I was trying to point out the deliberate illiteracy aimed at lowering the tone of the site to put people off. I am not the most articulate person and may not have expressed myself properly.
regards, Tom

The deliberate illiteracy is a global phenomena being represented here. There are mods more interested in editing swearing out of direct quotes, people whom are being introduced to a multiple of newish ideas for the first time whom care not to surf the archives to see if their banality has already been burped up ad nauseum. The problem I see with most forums is that late comers DON'T read older threads.

How many times is someone whom knows something, I'll take metals as an example...how many times are those in the 'know' supposed to keep battering the dead parrots? If someone comes aboard, sure, its a slough to read through any and all older posts they may have questions about. It's easier to pop off a question rather than doing your own research on this or any other site. But for those of us whom have a hard time typing and don't CARE if its a skill we 'should' have...answering the same question more than thrice causes a gag reflex.

This reflex results in shorter, more terse, and in cases down right nasty responses. Not because said writer is an agent, a 'them' a troll or whatever,
it's because the question has already been answered, thrice in many instances. If anyone with a question like 'what about solar/wind/microhydro', instead of starting a thread, looked at all the numerous, previous threads...we'd be way further along. But it's a cesspit/blackhole expecting the mostly dumbed down populace to do any research or study on their own. They want instance response for tools and techniques and ideas they will more than likely never put in action.

'Just wondering, no-lookie' is a resounding truism on ANY forum. I think this thread is probably the third along these lines in the last 3 weeks!

Thunderbird · 10-09-2008, 04:39 AM

not to be an outlandish bore....but "whom" is grammatically proper when used as the object and not the subject....

example...

people who know something...subject

you spoke to whom?..object

im drunk forgive me

10-09-2008, 01:24 AM	#1
pilgrim Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Belfast. Ireland Posts: 129	The change in contributors to Avalon. Has anyone noticed the marked change in the quality of contributors and threads to Avalon this past week or two? The threads have become so childish, so outlandish in the accusations of whistleblowers and advocates of the call to freedom, that I for one was thinking of giving up on visiting this site. That is, until I realised that Avalon has become a victim of it's own sucess. In other words, it has attracted a huge amount of attention from the 'enemy'. The almost illiterate writing, unsubstantiated accusations, name calling and so on, is a deliberate attempt to put off the more serious and discerning people that visit and enjoy this site as a focal point, a gathering place, of the 'alternative community' . I can only suggest that agent provocateurs are at work trying to disrupt the excellent work that Avalon does. The quality of the writings for the first few weeks was absolutely brilliant. Then it started to decline as voices of descension, nit-picking etc, started to creep in. Because of the overwhelming need for a site such as this, the avalance of new members took Kerry, Bill and the moderators by surprise. Now that it is settling down a bit we can see that we have unwelcome 'guests' amongst us that have inveigled there way in. If that is the case, I can only ask that the genuine contributors to this forum stick with it, post your opinions with renewed vigour and know that we are making the difference by their presence. Their presence means we are getting to them. good luck, Tom

10-09-2008, 01:32 AM	#3
WineHippie Guest Posts: n/a	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. * Last edited by WineHippie; 11-07-2008 at 05:41 PM.

10-09-2008, 01:33 AM	#4
linkes Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Wellington New Zealand Posts: 45	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. I don’t know all I am reading is people with all differing opinions’ Let’s not create a victim mentality where it’s not needed I personally have met some amazing people on this site and it’s totally up to who you choose to associate yourself with, life is full of surprises nasty and good ones. I just had a whole debate on another thread about how we shouldn’t attract negative post. My point is should every body good or bad not be allowed equal opportunity? Personally I think the best place for the so called unwelcome guests is here let us choose rather to shine our light on them, they are human and each who have their own paths. My other point is there is such a thing as reporting abusive behaviour to the moderators. So again let s not become victims lets just accept and moderate. Peace and Blessings Linkes

10-09-2008, 01:35 AM	#5
Kahunamahalo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 181	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. Just take what you want and leave the rest.

10-09-2008, 01:38 AM	#6
WineHippie Guest Posts: n/a	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. * Last edited by WineHippie; 11-07-2008 at 05:42 PM.

10-09-2008, 01:45 AM	#7
GregorArturo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Southern Maine Posts: 560	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. Hey, it's like they say, the Truth cannot be organized. Use your discretion, on every level; from the internet to the guy who sits next to you in class. Too bad there wasn't like a full proof ebay rating system for members versus just threads. All you got is like total posts to go by and your own discretion to what that person has already said. http://therevolutionwillnotbeorganized.org/

10-09-2008, 02:10 AM	#10
Jeff Delano Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Fallbrook, CA Posts: 62	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. May I also add, just like in real life it's easier to gain positive polarity in a negative society, dealing with the bs from the bs posters helps build character when dealing with those who don't share your optimism. Is there something wrong with people who don't think like you? Or is it beautiful that the fact that others have their own opinions that are not like yours at all?

10-09-2008, 02:12 AM	#11
Lotus Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hawaii Posts: 90	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. Totally agree. Definitely a quality dip. Way too much ranting. Not enough discernment. Too much wild speculation. And some axe grinding.

10-09-2008, 02:20 AM	#12
Ampgod Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 310	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. Change does happen. Morph with it. Why do people want to "clean it up"? The dirt is what I need to perfect my skill of seeing these nasty parasites. Last edited by Ampgod; 10-09-2008 at 02:23 AM.

10-09-2008, 02:30 AM	#13
Myplanet2 In The Mists Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,133	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. The purpose of this forum has been clearly stated. People posting here should respect that. It's about helping the ground crew. Not inviting everyone to "prove it to you". Do your own discerning, and let others do theirs. I see very little value in posting that this or that is all BS. Just about everything has some truth and some fiction included. That's where discernment comes in.

10-09-2008, 02:41 AM	#14
Baggywrinkle Guest Posts: n/a	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. On a positive note, As an Avalon researcher with an interest in traditional farming techniques I just ran across the Alfred R Mann Library of Core Historical Literature of Agriculture. What a score this was! These are full text books online. LIGHTEN UP PEOPLE! Those of you who are further along are expected to help those who are just beginning. Those of you who are unable or unwilling to participate as a teacher or student are excused to run and play. http://chla.library.cornell.edu/c/chla/index.html#top Current online holdings: Pages: 850,264 Books: 1,849 (1,910 Volumes) Journals: 6 (288 Volumes) Last edited by Baggywrinkle; 10-09-2008 at 02:45 AM.

10-09-2008, 04:55 AM	#16
MMe M Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 211	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. Its all good Tom/Pilgrim. I will admit that when reading a post, spelling errors do take some of the wind from the sails. Who listens to a mental deficient? I hope people see the message, not just the content. Sometimes it really does help to close your eyes and try to feel the one behind the words. Often they dont match. What seems negative can be a cry for help or depression from a brother or sister. One that seems positive and full of light may in fact be a dark force. I have seen some examples of both here. Last edited by MMe M; 10-09-2008 at 04:57 AM.

10-09-2008, 05:01 AM	#17
333mark333 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Western Shore of the Hudson Bay-churchill, manitoba, canada Posts: 301	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. Im finished posting on Avalon. Too much bad vibes for me, ill leave it up to the more evolved. This is turning into a debate, im not here for that energy. 333mark333 out

10-09-2008, 02:44 AM	#20
Mizar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: British Columbia Posts: 162	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. Roger that Pilgrim, most of the "sub prime" posters have only posted in the single digits, spelling errors are common, and it does seem like there's a boiler room out there somewhere posting fluff to keep us from getting to the good posts. The first two weeks were Magic, all top Q posters getting their stuff out, people who knew their stuff after learning and experiencing pretty much on their own for 10-20 years. Now you don't know who is reading your posts, and a lot of Quality stuff gets slammed right away by someone with a short record of contributions. Almost None of the original quality posters have ever 'dissed a post contributed by someone else, and before many backed up their posts with a link to an article or factoid somewhere. Now that I have vented, I must say that all of the posts/contributions are here for all, newb or Veterano, I hope that every visit to CA is a good one for all who want to learn more and increase their value on the Earth's crust, No question is a bad one, ( use Search tool first) there is more to come in the future. M

10-09-2008, 01:58 AM	#21
clarkkent Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 319	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. theres still some quality posters, but overall yes...the first 2 or 3 weeks of avalon were very high quality, especially with the PC interviewees interacting with us. voices of reason like zynox and susan are here less and less. i think a lot of the more mature posters went over to st clairs forum. i would be over there too, but im not 100% on him, so i stay here and hope for the occasional good post or thread. theres still some good eggs here, but theres definitely been an influx of childeshness, paranoia and idiotic threads. is it intentional alphabet agencies or just disruptive jerks? probably both. ill stick around for the few good eggs till theyre gone.

10-09-2008, 02:00 AM	#22
Katherine Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 29	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. Sorry all..... I'm with pilgrim. I too have become disenfranchaised lately due to a lot of unwanted (unnecessary - useless) comments. It takes forever to sift through it all to find a 'pearl' of wisdom. I was just about ready to leave the forum because it just takes too much time with little gain. It's fine to say - take what you want and leave the rest. That's what I try to do, but still takes much reading/time .....somedays.....for nothing. It gets frustrating. Maybe this too is a test.....of patience? K

10-09-2008, 04:39 AM	#25
Thunderbird Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 309	Re: The change in contributors to Avalon. not to be an outlandish bore....but "whom" is grammatically proper when used as the object and not the subject.... example... people who know something...subject you spoke to whom?..object im drunk forgive me