Concepts of God

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

we cannot comprehend energy still we can make practical use of it

I say the Sages make practical use of God

And I would say that the Sages make a practical use out of a human concept which has no bearing on reality outside of the human mind. God is just another tool (a humanly constructed thing than can be utilized to perform work) the human being uses to make sense out of reality.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

And I would say that the Sages make a practical use out of a human concept which has no bearing on reality outside of the human mind.

I know you would say that

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

I know you would say that

Peace.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

Peace.

We are having fun.

How about the Hindenburg principal?
The moment an experiment is observed it changes.
The wave factor collapses.
The non linear becomes linear.
The un-manifest becomes manifest.

The only thing that dosent change is that which looks through the eyes

How about the intelligence that creates the body? The nose ends up where it is supposed to be.

What about atoms in movement? The stone is alive -- or at least composed of moving atoms.

If we think we created ourselves and everything in the universe thats extreme vanity ie ego. If we thing it came about without supreme intelligence just a random happening thats ignorance..

Anyway I am just enjoying the eternal moment.
I dont mind what anyone else believes. I know what I know.

Thanks for wishing me well with sobriety Trained Observer 35 years now.
I am so fortunate.


Regards Chris

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by mudra

What the mind does'nt understand the heart will

Love from me
mudra

yes mudra


the Heart knows

what the mind does not dare to believe

the Heart knows


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Originally Posted by greybeard

If we think we created ourselves and everything in the universe thats extreme vanity ie ego. If we thing it came about without supreme intelligence just a random happening thats ignorance..

Regards Chris

yes Chris


everywhere we look

God looks boldly back at us

as if saying

you all see Me all the time

[mudra]

One Love

mudra

[mudra]

In truth everything and everyone
Is a shadow of the Beloved,
And our seeking is His seeking
And our words are His words...
We search for Him here and there,
while looking right at Him.
Sitting by His side, we ask:
'O Beloved, where is the Beloved?'

God turns you from one feeling to another and teaches you by means of opposites, so that you will have two wings to fly - not one.

Remember, the entrance door to the sanctuary is inside you.

mevlana


Love Always
mudra

[RedeZra]

Karma is attached to free will

whereas

Grace is administered through thy will



free will

the mind that shuts the door to the Heart

roams without


thy will

the mind that opens the door to the Heart

reposes within

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by greybeard

The only thing that dosent change is that which looks through the eyes

I am familiar with this teaching but I have come to think that is not true. It is an illusion. The observer (that which looks through the eyes) is merely another part of the mind itself. The mind is created moment by moment by the human brain/nervous system. The 3D virtual reality we experience which is made up of the perceived world, the perceived physical self, the perceived inner mental dialog, and the perceived observer (that which looks through the eyes) are all one and the same mind constructed of brain/mind-stuff. One can enter into dis-associative states that can intensify the sensation of separateness but this is not true illumination or enlightenment. True 'enlightenment' (IMHO) is seeing these apparent separate parts as one and yourself.

How about the intelligence that creates the body? The nose ends up where it is supposed to be.

Evolutionary processes is the short answer.

What about atoms in movement? The stone is alive -- or at least composed of moving atoms.

Short answer - The true nature of the real world on the other side of senses is truly unknown since we cannot directly experience it.

If we think we created ourselves and everything in the universe thats extreme vanity ie ego.

I certainly don't think we created ourselves.

If we thing it came about without supreme intelligence just a random happening thats ignorance..

That's your opinion and you are welcome to it my friend. I do not hold that opinion myself. If there is a 'supreme intelligence' it most certainly is nothing like anything the human brain has dreamed up. How could it be? Human beings discussing 'supreme intelligences' and the like is akin to the Society for the Blind and Deaf reviewing the movie Avatar. No valid frame of reference exists.

[greybeard]

Quote from my friend.
That's your opinion and you are welcome to it my friend. I do not hold that opinion myself. If there is a 'supreme intelligence' it most certainly is nothing like anything the human brain has dreamed up. How could it be? Human beings discussing 'supreme intelligences' and the like is akin to the Society for the Blind and Deaf reviewing the movie Avatar. No valid frame of reference exists.

Yes no human valid frame of reference is possible --- thats the point.

No words can do justice to whatever brought about evolution creation life itself.

Language is just pointing to it is not it.
You may well give an accurate description of the taste pf a banana but till you experience for your self its really meaning less and even then its what your mind tells you, being aware without comment is a different state.

Regards Chris