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Old 02-16-2010, 12:26 PM   #1
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http://deshika.wordpress.com/2010/02...e-never-works/


Seems like its fashionable, hip, im bigger than that philosophy to deny the existence of a supreme creator, to have an auto cue after religious statements to say 'but im not into 'organised' religion'. Do they think religion, spirituality should be dis-organised? Seems like a lot of talk gripes about being unified and stop the in fighting etc etc, yet they expect the faith of millions around the world, that has stood the test of time for 1000's of years, to just roll over for the latest fad movement. OK be disorganised, pay 9000 dollars to die in a sweat hut, or pay someone to be your spiritual guide. Please beware of charlatons.

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Old 02-16-2010, 01:12 PM   #2
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Well I for one agree with you.
In God we Trust. On The Dollar note, isent it?
Some say it should be removed.
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:28 PM   #3
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Hey Greybeard, pleased to meet you
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:30 PM   #4
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Religion is about Man

Spirituality is about God
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:40 PM   #5
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Religion is about Man

Spirituality is about God
Where did you pick up this pearl of wisdom? Sounds like a bumper sticker. Please qoute your source. Im guessing it wasnt Mother Theresa.
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:41 PM   #6
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That one is mine *smiles*
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:57 PM   #7
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That one is mine *smiles*
Hold the front page!!
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:04 PM   #8
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Men made Gods in their own image.
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Old 02-17-2010, 02:41 AM   #9
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Well I for one agree with you.
In God we Trust. On The Dollar note, isent it?
Some say it should be removed.
Chris
In that case God stands for Gold, oil, drugs.
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Old 02-17-2010, 08:55 PM   #10
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I chose to go to hell? What was I thinking? Now I'm reduced to trying to get people to air-condition the place! http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878

Thank-you Beren. I think I will reread the Bible from a Humanistic Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction point of view. (Seriously!) Sort of a cross between Robert H. Schuller, Albert Schweitzer (his whole life and writings), Ralph Ellis (Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs), and Stargate SG-1. JB Phillips was wrong when he wrote 'Your God is Too Small'. Our God is too BIG. We've made God into a fairy-tale...and a nightmare in many cases. Our Theology is Too Small. It's time to take off the blinders and the gloves...and get real...real fast. Studying all of the Gospels (not just the four)...with a Strong's (not Young's) Concordance...using Grammatical-Historical Hermeneutics (rather than Subjective-Eisegesis)...would be an excellent approach. You know...using the words of Jesus as a theological home-base...and working outward from there. A group of White Hat Jesuits should start a Society of the Teachings of Jesus. The big question is...will I actually do this? I mean well...but I have a very weak follow-through. I'm a tempest in a teapot...and the spooks (or the Jesuits) shouldn't waste their time on me. Actually...they probably don't even know who I am!

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Old 02-17-2010, 09:01 PM   #11
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I chose to go to hell? You are in it now! What was I thinking? Now I'm reduced to trying to get people to air-condition the place!
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Old 02-17-2010, 10:06 PM   #12
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Old 02-17-2010, 10:18 PM   #13
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Posted by Beren,

Psalm 15
A psalm of David.
1 LORD, who may dwell in your sanctuary?
Who may live on your holy hill?

2 He whose walk is blameless
and who does what is righteous,
who speaks the truth from his heart

3 and has no slander on his tongue,
who does his neighbor no wrong
and casts no slur on his fellowman,

4 who despises a vile man
but honors those who fear the LORD,
who keeps his oath
even when it hurts,

5 who lends his money without usury
and does not accept a bribe against the innocent.
He who does these things
will never be shaken.



Ty Beren
These are time honoured values preserved in all the scriptures and that is why making God unfashionable never works, because all living souls recognise these truths.
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Old 02-17-2010, 10:22 PM   #14
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Here is a similar message from the Bhagavad Gita,

Ch 15 Tx 5

Those who are free from false prestige, illusion and false association, who can understand the eternal, who are done with material lust, who are freed from the dualities of happiness and distress, and who, unbewildered, know how to surrender unto the supreme person attain to that eternal kingdom.
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Old 02-17-2010, 10:25 PM   #15
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Beautiful and powerful posts, greybeard and aroundthetable

Great spiritual truths...

Love,

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Old 02-17-2010, 10:38 PM   #16
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Thankyou for saying that Kriya, always remembering this is not my own concoction but from time honoured scripture. It is there waiting and freely available to all who wish to partake and gain relief from the disturbances of the material world.
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Old 02-17-2010, 09:03 PM   #17
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I chose to go to hell? What was I thinking? Now I'm reduced to trying to get people to air-condition the place!



this is smiley trying to brake the wall (he`s angry and can`t wait so he haste with his head! ) and the other one sweating and hoping that first one stay where he is...
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Old 02-17-2010, 09:36 PM   #18
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Quote from THE BHAGAVAD GITA.
ARJUNAN
Tell me of those who live established in wisdom ever aware of the Self, O Krishna.
How do they talk? How sit? How move about?

SRI KRISHNA
They live in wisdom who see themselves in all and all in them, who have renounced every selfish desire and sense craving tormenting the heart.
Neither agitated by grief nor hankering after pleasure, they live free from lust and fear and anger.
Established in meditation they are truly wise. Fettered no more by selfish attachments, they are neither elated by good fortune nor depressed by bad. Such are the seers.

That was written many thousands of years ago yet still relevant in this world.

Golden World yes if we even remotely follow these ancient teachings updated to modern language, the essence is timeless.
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:29 PM   #19
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Here are some links to threads which help to reveal my current point of view regarding God and Religion. I'm both supportive and hostile. In the past...I have been 'overchurched'...and presently I'm probably 'underchurched'. I'm sort of the best friend and the worst enemy of Christianity. Actually...I'm thinking about going back to church. I'm still looking for detailed critiques of the following threads. My mind is not made up...so please confuse me with the facts. I'm easily confused!

1. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron

2. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron

3. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron

4. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron

5. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878

6. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...rldwide+church

7. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...179#post163179

8. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...729#post165729

9. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...745#post167745

10. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...lucifer+effect

11. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18223

12. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...%2C+lucifer%3F

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Old 02-16-2010, 09:39 PM   #20
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Here are some links to threads which help to reveal my current point of view regarding God and Religion. I'm both supportive and hostile. In the past...I have been 'overchurched'...and presently I'm probably 'underchurched'. I'm sort of the best friend and the worst enemy of Christianity. Actually...I'm thinking about going back to church. I'm still looking for detailed critiques of the following threads. My mind is not made up...so please confuse me with the facts. I'm easily confused!



Namaste
Hi Oxy, i wish you well. I am not a Christian but i do love and respect Jesus and the teachings of the bible. Its all very simple ( and yes difficult too!). Thou shalt not kill, steal, covet etc...Let he who is without sin cast the first stone..(forgiveness). If you do go back to the church, try and find a teacher that practices what they preach, this is most important. Free yourself from anger. Study your scripture, its all their, its your automatic charlaton detector. Im excited for you
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Old 02-16-2010, 09:53 PM   #21
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Ortho, for a start, go read Bible again but now with different attitude. With open mind and heart. Words like "religion, church,pastor,..." or many other things are products of Churchianity throughout time.

This is a verse from John 4:23,24

Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."


See the message? Crystal clear, no building needed or rituals or services or whatever man invented under term "religion".
Really if people can only stop for a moment and really think about Christ`s message and words ,their world would turn upside down.
The thing is that Christ was not talking about religion or whatever they labeled him.
He was talking that we should as humanity awake and take our place in universe at Creator`s side and fulfill our destiny as children of Creator.

But they killed him because he was sparking inner changes in people, and when they are free ,leeches can`t abuse them anymore because they would rather die that be slaves again, slaves to habits,people,institutions,books,rituals,dogmas... DARKNESS... We are made in the image of God and we will take our righteous place soon, as the children of the light.

It is that simple ,the message of Christ.
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:01 PM   #22
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Yes Beren, simple living, high thinking, thats the key.

It is also important to get the support and encouragement of like minded people and for Christians the church is a place to gather in this way, just like this site is a gathering place where people seek like minded people for support and encouragement, it is no different than a church in that respect. People with similar attitudes will always seek each other out, that is natural.
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Old 02-16-2010, 11:29 PM   #23
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Yes Beren, simple living, high thinking, thats the key.

It is also important to get the support and encouragement of like minded people and for Christians the church is a place to gather in this way, just like this site is a gathering place where people seek like minded people for support and encouragement, it is no different than a church in that respect. People with similar attitudes will always seek each other out, that is natural.

I agree. But even word "church" was twisted from original meaning. In the beginning Christians didn`t had buildings or special places because that was not the point. Later on when "wolves" took over as Paul was and others were signing the alarm over it ,slowly they started to import back postulates from Judaism ,which on the other hand took postulates from Babylonian system and... you got a mess ...

Christ said where are two or three people in his name ,there he is with them in spirit.
That essentially means that even two of us talking now about truth and love and Christ are forming one congregation ,one church.

Because if you are inspired by holy spirit you are always with God and Christ, you don`t need building or anything other man made on this earth. You are then 24/7 connected with Creator. Also when you are able to speak about truth freely with people willing to do that, then you got a feeling of belonging and friendship with people alike.

It was always high above man made assumptions about God and what does he requires from you. It was always through spirit ,never other way round.

No matter what people imagine or are persuaded , never they can understand Creator or be close to him if they don`t shed and cast down old patterns of thinking and behaving.
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Old 02-16-2010, 11:48 PM   #24
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your are right Bern.

Also think Jesus said. "Even the wisest of my disciples will enter heaven by faith alone"
The Truth has been handed down since time began through the Vedas Upanisheds Krishna The Buddha Christ. Truth is eternal unchanging. One God.
That which is formless is the Provence of non duality. The Mystic live it.
It can be pointed to alluded to but is That which can not be spoken of.
It cant be measured it is beyond all human description.
Thats is why faith alone is required.
Thats simple but hard until something in your life brings this about.
Hitting rock bottom in whatever form that takes opens the heart to God who is always available.
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Old 02-17-2010, 12:11 AM   #25
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Too few venture the hard path.

Why?

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