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Old 03-21-2010, 09:44 PM   #476
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Much to ponder. A lot to appreciate and value. May this thread overflow to the Mists and Avalon 2.
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:07 PM   #477
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Thanks, Mudra. You too.

Idunno: Yea indeed! Krishnamurti
Freedom .. see - THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY -
THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY is a dialogue between J. Krishnamurti and David Bohm...

...the great Mr. Bohm had immense respect for Krishnamurti. Bohm is that rare scientist that seeks wisdom beyond any given field of knowledge...

Krishnamurti was one of the most lucid minds of the 20th century. his tireless work helped clear the way for the new science emerging. The data concerning entanglement and non-locality support his analysis of mind/Mind...
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:16 PM   #478
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Much to ponder. A lot to appreciate and value. May this thread overflow to the Mists and Avalon 2.
I think it will, Sunflower. Thanks for your post number 444 exactly here
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:22 PM   #479
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Freedom .. see - THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY -
THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY is a dialogue between J. Krishnamurti and David Bohm...

...the great Mr. Bohm had immense respect for Krishnamurti. Bohm is that rare scientist that seeks wisdom beyond any given field of knowledge...

Krishnamurti was one of the most lucid minds of the 20th century. his tireless work helped clear the way for the new science emerging. The data concerning entanglement and non-locality support his analysis of mind/Mind...
Idunno, thanks for that video, I will definitely watch it tomorrow. I think maybe Krishnamurti went deepest in the essence of freedom than any other. He was so passionately dedicated to it, perhaps because of his personal destiny, but whatever... it is a holiday for the soul to read his works or to listen to him.

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Old 03-21-2010, 10:55 PM   #480
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Old 03-22-2010, 08:43 PM   #481
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Normality is the capacity to express your feelings.
From the moment that you donít fear to share your heart,
you are a free person.

- Paulo Coelho




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Old 03-22-2010, 09:35 PM   #482
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You know what - Gypsies are FREE!
So much pain and suffering,
and still so much carefree, music and joy!
Even their legendary love for stealing horses
is like they are stealing the freedom.
There is a metaphysical symbolism in it.
As one gypsy singer from my country says:
Gypsies are able to trick the Sadness.



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Old 03-23-2010, 09:47 AM   #483
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Normality is the capacity to express your feelings.
From the moment that you donít fear to share your heart,
you are a free person.

- Paulo Coelho

Very wise words. Sadly, we are trained to hide our feelings and emotions. If people were not afraid to openly express feelings, there would be less misunderstanding, pain, and hurt. Yes, we need to feel them all. From love to hate, from despair to ecstasy. Every human being is both rational and nonrational, both child and adult, both masculine and feminine, both poet and engineer. Our feelings and emotions are the fabric of who we are. When we suppress and hide them from ourselves and others, we not only betray ourselves but also we block our creative and spontaneous energy that makes us fully alive. In fact, it takes a good deal of our energy to control our feelings. I believe that the greatest gift we can offer each other is when we can share our deepest nature expressed through our feelings and emotions. Easy to say, yet difficult to do it.

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Old 03-23-2010, 09:56 AM   #484
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Your words are wise too, Truth and Integrity.
Thank you for your sincere contribution to this thread.

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Old 03-23-2010, 10:31 AM   #485
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One should be a bit crazy if he want
to get rid of the fetters and to be free.

- Zorba the Greek



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Old 03-24-2010, 10:15 AM   #486
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We cannot change anything unless we accept it.
Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses.

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Old 03-24-2010, 05:14 PM   #487
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We cannot change anything unless we accept it.
Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses.

Well said. I donít even have this word in my dictionary. The magic words are unconditional acceptance.

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Old 03-25-2010, 11:34 AM   #488
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Yesterday we obeyed kings and
bent our necks before emperors.
But today we kneel only to truth,
follow only beauty, and obey only love.

- Khalil Gibran



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Old 03-26-2010, 05:11 PM   #489
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Any existence deprived
of freedom is a kind of death.

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Old 03-26-2010, 06:03 PM   #490
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Yesterday we obeyed kings and
bent our necks before emperors.
But today we kneel only to truth,
follow only beauty, and obey only love.

- Khalil Gibran



This image is almost identical to my mini horse Makani Kea. Thank You Oliver and feel free to visit us here. http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...390&#entry3830
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Old 03-26-2010, 09:39 PM   #491
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"You don't have to do anything to acquire happiness.
The great Meister Eckhart said very beautifully, "God is not attained by a process of addition to anything in the soul, but by a process of subtraction".
You don't do anything to be free, you drop something. Then you're free.
It reminds me of the Irish prisoner who dug a tunnel under the prison wall and managed to escape.
He comes out right in the middle of a school playground where little children are playing.
Of course, when he emerges from the tunnel he can't restrain himself anymore and begins to jump up and down, crying, "I'm free, I'm free, I'm free!
A little girl there looks at him scornfully and says, "That's nothing. I'm four".
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Old 03-26-2010, 10:07 PM   #492
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"You don't have to do anything to acquire happiness.
The great Meister Eckhart said very beautifully, "God is not attained by a process of addition to anything in the soul, but by a process of subtraction".
You don't do anything to be free, you drop something. Then you're free.
It reminds me of the Irish prisoner who dug a tunnel under the prison wall and managed to escape.
He comes out right in the middle of a school playground where little children are playing.
Of course, when he emerges from the tunnel he can't restrain himself anymore and begins to jump up and down, crying, "I'm free, I'm free, I'm free!
A little girl there looks at him scornfully and says, "That's nothing. I'm four".

Aloha Aloha,

Thanks for visiting us here.
I do understand what you are telling us.
I just want less suffering that`s all.
There is no excuse for producing pain.
This is what about all of this thread is.
Thank you, really.

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Old 03-27-2010, 09:31 PM   #493
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Expose yourself to your deepest fear;
after that, fear has no power,
and the fear of freedom shrinks and vanishes.
You are free.

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Old 03-31-2010, 10:55 AM   #494
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But what is Freedom?
Rightly understood,
a universal licence to be good.

- Hartley Coleridge




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Old 04-02-2010, 10:14 AM   #495
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Old 04-07-2010, 07:06 PM   #496
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There is no road to freedom,
freedom is the road.

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Old 04-08-2010, 05:17 AM   #497
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It is so true that it is no road. But to be free is to be aware moment by moment of our limitations that we create for ourselves and others and let them go.

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Old 04-09-2010, 02:37 AM   #498
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Freedom is a complex phenomenon, it does not consist of single quality of life...
therefore, there must be will and knowledge and purpose acting together then there is real freedom,
of all human suffering,
and then you can close your eyes, sit in peace and feel free ,
free of your tasks,
your burdens that you don't want to carry,
for they are your passports to freedom.

Gandiji said
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Old 04-09-2010, 09:14 AM   #499
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Thank you, Truth and Agape for your contribution. It is pleasure to have you on this thread.

For all visitors and contributors to this thread: I asked it to be transferred to Avalon 2 as well as to The Mists of Avalon forum and it will have different (I believe) life on both forums. I hope the thread will soon be transferred.
For me, it was pleasure and inspiration to be in position to share with all of you the rich legacy of human`s yearning for freedom, both spiritual and socio-political. I do not make strong separation, even they have different basis, but I strongly believe in harmony between them as condition for a full development of the human potential. I never lose my belief in humans - they can be such glorious beings and they showed it countless times in our positive historical legacy. I also strongly believe humanity will finally, in near future, come to the point were we can clearly say: We are now free. Now, let us show the Universe and the Creator our true potential.
With this hope, I am inviting you to continue our path.

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