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Old 11-05-2008, 02:49 PM   #1
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“Love one another.” “We are all one.”

Such beautiful sentiments. Love is the balm that heals the heart, and oneness the reality that joins us. But spiritual teachers with an agenda use “love” and “oneness” teachings to keep the lid down on their disciples’ spiritual development.

Let’s look at these teachings one at a time and see how they are used to manipulate. When a teacher or religion preaches love, at first glance that seems to be a good thing. It encourages people to be selfless and to help their fellows. Because of “love” teachings, religious people give to the poor, volunteer their time, and bite their tongue a lot. They say “the right thing” and don’t do things that other people won’t like. They put their desires on the backburner and focus instead on doing what they think will make others happy. Whenever sentiments of discontent or rebellion arise, they quash them with the stern heel of conscience. They know such feelings are from the dark side, and that they must be vigilant against them.

Years go by, and these well-meaning people become frustrated and repressed. The rebellion in them grows, because they are not listening to themselves. Their soul cries out for experiences, for learning through experience, but they have been taught that personal desires are selfish, so the cries of their soul go unheeded. They grow depressed or angry, because their purpose of embodiment in human form has been thwarted. The frustration comes out in many negative ways: short-temperedness, jealousy, vindictiveness, gossip, judgmentalness.

The sincere people who faithfully follow “love” teachings typically live in a box with the lid down, able to express but little of themselves because instinctual wants are considered suspect or evil. Repressed, their souls turn miserable or spiteful, like a dog chained for years to a stake. “See, it’s a bad dog,” people say when the animal snarls and nips, convinced by such nasty behavior that they were right in chaining that animal all along.

Telling people to be unselfish creates a shadow personality inside them, the very “ego” that religions decry and that wouldn’t exist without religion. It’s ego, teachers preach, that makes the spirit discontent and rebellious. The vices their followers find in their private hearts are proof that the soul is a tainted thing, needing to be risen above or controlled.

So people redouble their efforts to be kind and loving. They volunteer more time, give more money to their church or their guru, and bite their tongue so hard that it hurts. But their “wicked” spirit only becomes sulkier, their negative thoughts stronger, their suppressed rage greater.

The spiritual teacher has, of course, the solution to all this. The Christian struggling with wicked thoughts is told to surrender his soul to Jesus. The disciple plagued by negativity is told to surrender her ego to Oneness Consciousness. It amounts to the same thing. Spiritual aspirants must make an oblation of the will (the soul’s chief attribute and mode of expression) to something perceived as greater and purer than themselves. If they do this, God, they are promised, will destroy the evil in their hearts. Oneness, or Brahman Consciousness, will dissolve their selfish cravings and negative mental chatter. The soul will melt away into the wholeness that is their true cosmic nature, or into the love that is Jesus. The troublesome entity they have fought with for years, their inner self, will be gone. In its place will come a peace that surpasseth understanding, the presence of the Divine alive in their heart.

People who succeed in going the final steps to such surrender do indeed experience peace, but it is the peace of spiritual death. Gone is the cry of their spirit for expression, for freedom to live and do things in the world. Gone is the frustration of the heart that lived in a box all its life. All noise is silenced. The soul has been snuffed out. All that exists in the shell called the body is the presence of something else: a new, “holy” or “cosmic” consciousness.

The consciousness that takes over when we surrender our souls only claims to be divine or of the Source. It is a consciousness that hates life, that abhors uniqueness and diversity. It wants to wipe out the creative spark whose expression was the purpose of creation. That spark, individual consciousness, burst forth from the Source Consciousness in a brilliant firework display at the beginning of time. We are those sparks, children of the Infinite, and our play and display is the reason for the world.

The play has been thwarted for millenniums. The display has been forbidden. Any original impulses that don’t align with institutionalized spiritual programming, in religions of East or West, are judged egoistic or evil. While a few people in society break free from these fetters (becoming our artists, our inventors, our thinkers), most of mankind lives under the yoke of spiritual repression, judging their deepest instincts as suspect, selfish, and wrong.

So we live in miserable marriages, work at miserable jobs, go places we don’t want to go for the “happiness” of our families, and do things we don’t want to do to help the less fortunate. Religious people work so hard to make sure everyone else is happy, but no one does anything that makes anyone happy, because happiness is a luxury they’re told they have no right to expect or experience.

I remember as a girl, how Sundays my family would sit around asking one another how they’d like to spend the day. “Would you like to go to the park?” one person would ask. “I don’t know, would you like to go to the park?” would come the reply. Everyone was so busy being unselfish, trying to do what the others supposedly wanted, that no one ever answered honestly about what they thought would be fun. So we went to the park or museum, never knowing if even one family member really wanted to go there. We were that intent on being good Christians, on sacrificing our personal desires for the sake of everyone else. We thought that made us moral and pleasing to God.

I often think of this sad and ridiculous scenario that was acted out so many times when I was growing up, and what a metaphor it is for all decisions that are based on repressing our inner spark for the supposed higher good. What if instead we all listened to the promptings in our hearts, without judgment? What if we stopped calling those promptings “ego” and considered them messages from the divine within us, messages there to guide us through life?

Those who have succumbed to the teaching that the ego is a self-serving, antisocial, anti-spiritual entity that lives inside waiting to undermine, can never free the creative spark and do the things that truly bring happiness to themselves and to others. When we trust our desires and stop judging them as selfish, the nastiness that once accrued to our inner spirit strangely disappears. The soul isn’t repressed anymore. It is free and expressing, fulfilling its divine promptings. Gone is its envy toward others, its anger and resentment. The soul fills with its own innate joy, and wishes no less for everybody else.

Egoism and evil are not born of this entity; they are born of repressing this entity. Left to itself, unjudged and uncensored, the soul desires good things for itself and for all creation. So where is the selfishness?

Spiritual teachers tell us to love, but true love is never born of an edict. Love is not biting your tongue, doing what someone else wants, repressing your desires, giving money to charity or doing prescribed service. All those things come from an effort at love, not from having love. When you have love, you need no mandates. Love is a tenderness of feeling, an empathy to what another is going through, a perception of the beauty in another.

Not only is a mandate not needed for real love – a mandate is useless in bringing love about. How can a spiritual rule make you feel tenderness or empathy, or appreciation of beauty? Only an open soul can experience those things. A soul shrouded in judgment of itself as egoistic and selfish cannot feel tenderness, empathy or appreciation. It is way too hurt and closed for such delicate feelings. Expecting a judged soul to bloom forth in genuine love is like expecting a seedling you poured drain cleaner on, to sprout forth in beautiful, new, green shoots.

Any spiritual leader who makes love the core of their teaching or who talks of dissolving the “small self” or “ego” leads mankind further into the dark. A truly awake person knows that love cannot be achieved through effort and that egoism is the product of self-flagellation. The truly awake don’t tell people to be loving, they suggest people be true to themselves. They advise self-trust. They are also aware of the nature of religion and its destructive role in the world. They speak out against it in all its forms.

Truly spiritual people recognize that religions use teachings of love and oneness to manipulate humanity into first judging and then surrendering their precious, unique souls (in the form of their will). They perceive that someone stands to gain from this, those who stand at the top of religions, those who call themselves God, gods, or gurus. They know that the true God, the Source Consciousness, has no need for worship and never mandated such. They know that anyone asking for adulation is less than Infinite, less than divine – an imposter pretending to be those things.

The truly aware know that Source Consciousness wants only that its purpose in creation be fulfilled: the play and display of happiness, in a myriad expression of souls, unique in their wonderful forms. They know that religion’s teachings of mandated love and dissolving ego thwart the Infinite’s purpose by destroying those souls.

People who know the truth encourage free expression, independence, individuality. They cheer for things like questioning, dissent, and nonconformity. They never codify “truth” and they never set themselves up as “teachers.” They don’t allow others to put them on a pedestal. They don’t appear on the rolls of “the holy” or “the Self-realized.” They are simple, confident people going about their lives with the light on inside.

No one turns to them as gurus or quotes them as spiritual authorities. They bring light to the world by being who they are and living freely and differently. Their joy and originality inspire those around them to re-evaluate the shrunken, judged personhood inside themselves, to consider whether it, too, might be capable of such luminosity. The truly awake inspire envy and anger in many, whose first reaction to the possibility of freedom is outrage, because it means they may have been traveling in the wrong direction all their lives.

Love is the sweetest expression of life, the flower of God’s creation. Oneness is our deepest nature, the place we all join with God (to quote the poet, Matthew Arnold) like islands “linking (our) coral arms beneath the sea.” Love and Oneness – what could be better?

But teachings that tell us to practice love and to surrender to Oneness are quite another thing. There are those who would twist mankind’s natural spiritual instincts to serve their sinister purposes. Love and Oneness are their calling cards.

(For more about those sinister purposes, see my other articles in the “Blowing the Whistle on Enlightenment” series.)

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Old 11-05-2008, 03:09 PM   #2
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One thing..


We live in a world where being unique and seperate is not only encouraged but is the order of the day.

Do you like what you see when you look at this world?

If a flock of geese were to adopt an individual mindset would they make their migrations succesfully?
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:13 PM   #3
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I like it completely because it exists, on every human being, unavoidably, the exercise of complete and absolute freedom.

Goose cannot have the indivuduality humans do have.

If you try to convince others to fulfill your agenda, be aware there could be many wich will dismiss it. Let them face their destiny, like you will face yours.

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Old 11-05-2008, 03:25 PM   #4
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"The sincere people who faithfully follow “love” teachings typically live in a box with the lid down, able to express but little of themselves because instinctual wants are considered suspect or evil. Repressed, their souls turn miserable or spiteful, like a dog chained for years to a stake. “See, it’s a bad dog,” people say when the animal snarls and nips, convinced by such nasty behavior that they were right in chaining that animal all along."

Have you ever felt spontaneous love and empathy for your fellow beings? There is no living in a box unable to express yourself - the opposite is true, in fact all emotions and senses become stronger. You can feel the whole range of emotions but the underlying sense of peace and forgiveness is always there.
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"The sincere people who faithfully follow “love” teachings typically live in a box with the lid down, able to express but little of themselves because instinctual wants are considered suspect or evil. Repressed, their souls turn miserable or spiteful, like a dog chained for years to a stake. “See, it’s a bad dog,” people say when the animal snarls and nips, convinced by such nasty behavior that they were right in chaining that animal all along."

Have you ever felt spontaneous love and empathy for your fellow beings? There is no living in a box unable to express yourself - the opposite is true, in fact all emotions and senses become stronger. You can feel the whole range of emotions but the underlying sense of peace and forgiveness is always there.

""The sincere people who faithfully follow “love” teachings typically live in a box with the lid down."

Love teachings. Love is to be done, experienced, felt spontaneously, and done spontaneously flowing from within; not to be teached, talked about, or forced to be made to being accepted socially without the obvious prejudices trown to those who slightly appear negative when being yourself it´s more important than being negative or positive.

Being yourself instead of being "all love" or "oneness consciousness" is being human, is being able to avoid feeling guilty by being what you are and haveing the feelings that you have, whatever their nature is. Is being what we beautifully have come here to be: mortal, fallible, fragile, rare, uncomprehensible beings. Encouraging humanness is encouragin the true hope this world needs. Sadly, that It´s not being done anywhere, because there is a fight for the souls of the people, to make them choose alignments, positions, sides, and activisms, like, for example, the one shown on this forum.

When we accept what we really are here, when we accept the evident truth, without further deep and overly complicated explanations, not the hidden truths about ourselves (those later), we are able to see and feel true love for the rest of the species, true unconditional one. Usually, that is not a bliss, because it can bring you endless problems, but, is a optimal beginning because it will force you to act differently from the very start of it, and, believe me, it will never leave you. You will have to fight with all those contradictory impulses because pure love is only to be used for specific situations and under specific circumstances.

Then, is just when the "divine" get ins contact with the human part of itself. Then is when the divine finds it´s true meaning: that being human is not any kind of punishment, but the answer to all your questions in the first place. You can feel you are expanding like the cosmos expands itself. Only if you are able to learn to handle all your repressed emotions. They all are there to make you a rainbow of a being.

There are many that tryes hard to make you take positions using your weaknesses as a tool for them to manipulate you towards the fullfillment of their agenda. They basically try their best to make you feel guilty of being idle, neutral, or stand by without any direct objetive in mind at the moment. Or just making you feel guilty of having negative emotions. Raise your eyebrow: you are being brainwhased, manipulated, and controlled.

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Not even god can tell you how to serve. That is the point. you are here to learn for yourself how best to serve others/self.

Be at peace
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Not even god can tell you how to serve. That is the point. you are here to learn for yourself how best to serve others/self.

Be at peace
or how best not to serve anything, you can see how again the "taking" sides thing has came into place.
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Not even god can tell you how to serve. That is the point. you are here to learn for yourself how best to serve others/self.

Be at peace
Ok, G O D can say to you whatever he/she wants hahaha but the thing is to experience by yourselve because you are "free" to choose your own path here hohoho


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Old 11-05-2008, 04:55 PM   #9
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We will trade our knowledge of love for the knowledge of matter.

There is much that can be taught about love for those that don't have it.

This must and will happen.

Nice try though!
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absolutely agree................................
have just told my friends 2 days ago
"this is no time for (airy fairy) love and peace...........
.......its time for (building inner) strength"

they looked at me gone out!
i didnt know how to explain what i really meant, so i left it at that

youve given an excellent eye opener,
(plus i can show my mates what id meant....and more)
its just so true
especially in england....'say and do as is expected' , tradition/conditioning
i.e
i beleive that in england..due to a conditioning that teatches,.....

women are expected to
be sweet.....to the point of..subservience,

gentle to the point of vulnerability

and to the point of being meak
and thats considered feminine and normalll
??????????
i beleive that, as a result, we have a rather high percent of women speaking with shallow breath, high pitch, vulnerably gentle voices, for most of whom...
if they could only communicate deeper from their hearts....the pitch would lower to a more real /firm/confident/knowing, tone.
unfortunate conditioning

............L et
...............O pposition...make you
...................V ulnerable...and
........................E thereal

........................................... No ThanKS!!!!!!!!!!!


excellent thread.....gratitude to you....Deoxyan

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ya know deoxyan I can't help but agree with you, I've been thinking lately about how so many people on this site say how much we need to do something to stop the "ptb" from doing all these horrible things but the most i've seen done is some meditating about love light, well i'm sorry to say that all the love and light thoughts aren't going to keep the "ptb" from killing you and if people really want to stop anything they need to get off there computers and actually do something. and also from the "ptb's" point of view what better way to keep people controled then if tell them that by hurting them your really hurting yourself. sorry to say but if the "ptb" is going to bee stopped it's only going to be done by force and that will lead to violence and if violence is the only way then so be it.
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One of the most lucid things i have read anywhere

much appreciated


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Bronte Baxter is one of the most enlightened bloggers I've had the pleasure of reading, her ongoing book which can be read at her site, is thought provoking and an eye opener.
Great threat, Deoxyan!
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Reminds me of how democracy can also be thought of as tyranny by the masses. I am all for 'Love' and 'Oneness', you will find much of it in Sufi poetry, but it gives the feeling of freedom and intimacy rather than extended control. Indeed at the soul level I wouldn't doubt the possibility that our collective memory is entangled with the fabric of the 'uni'-verse. I would hesitate to 'mono'-polize spiritual ways, making us homotelic. At this stage of spiritual evolution it is much wiser to make this an autotelic experience, while recognizing the need for homeostasis and dynamic equilbriums when harmonizing our unique karmic paths. Emergent self-organizing complex systems are greater than the sum of their parts, suggesting there is no one, but many ones. This model is a step in the right direction, hardly complete, but it is an interesting perspective. Maybe there is a fuzzy feedback loop between isotelesis, polytelesis, and holotelesis? One might call it hological syndiffeonesis, who is to say what constitutes the ultimate goal of life, to be of one, many, and every simulatenously? To know equality, divergent convergence, and integrative recusiveness? The holy artist and the iconoclast.

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Excellent article! Thanks for posting it, Deoxyan.

The ego is the I AM. All along the way, on this dimension and others, even when we tap into cosmic love and/or merge with others, we become more of ourselves. We still have an EGO, that ego is who we are.

Every preacher, guru and new age teacher I've known and had fun arguing with and even tried following at times, was a hypocrite when it came to BEING what they were preaching. I concluded that it's because they were trying to deny the true power of the ego and teach and BE something that they are not. I decided to not attempt to deny my ego in favor of my soul, because I see them as inseparable.

I believe much of the "love and light" preaching can be a powerful tool used to disempower those who buy into it and many of them live with guilt their entire lives. We wouldn't have an ego if it wasn't essential to who we are.

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the ego is an essential tool for you to exercise properly your discernment skills, then freedom of choice. That rings a bell, don´t you think?, wich best way to manipulate and control someone that by destroying the ego of the subject, isn´t it?.

When we are destroying our egos we are destroying another precious gift we got here, our uniquenesses.

Most people who blame ego of bad things happening in his life is because they cannot get anything good out of it, i suppose.

Oh yeah, kill the ego!, and find nirvana!, a lot of ego demonizers say. How senseless it sounds, that you came here to actually, live a life as human, and when you are into the thing you only want to escape through meditations, nullifications of the power of your mind, and repression of emotions. C´mon, i had never meditated on my entire life, or , ah well, i tryed less than 5 times and fell asleep, ok, that´s a hint. The fastest solution: go suicide yourself, if you can´t handle life because it´s too much for you.

The awesome part is to realize life is too much for you, what a message for you there. O_o

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I had a strange experience. I can hardly put it into words, but I try to give a picture. I just sat somewhere and suddenly I saw and felt a kind of air coming and surrounding me, but it was much more dense and very close to my skin, more close than close, it was like a liquid, and I and everything, were floating in it, a beautiful, heavenly fluid that surrounds everything and penetrate everything and it was much and much more real than our life of doing things, talking, thinking, feeling, having all kinds of emotions, relationships and longings, musts and don'ts which binds us in a magical web of endless consequences. I felt very quiete and amazed by this experience. I "saw" that our world of having thoughts, doing things, having opinions, preferences, dislikes, morals, beliefs, everything that makes what we call our life, that that world was just a very thin film/skin on the surface of the substance, the fluid that was more truth, more real, most close to myselfs, more close than even that thing that I call myself. It was a existence that had his own relation with my hart and I was just a witness.
I think this is what we call love. It has nothing to do with whatever, also not with putting yourself in a box because you must be a good girl.
I think, if you don't feel this love, you are in a box whatever you do, wearing a mask of a good person or a spiritual person or a bad person, it does not matter, its all fake, all ego, all fear.

I think you must live as you think is best for you, nobody can know what is good for others. But if you feel the flow of love and you go with it, its always with feelings of oness, with devotion, dedication, not surrender.
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Hi Deoxyan,

Maybe you want to review your intentions of why you registered on Avalon?

Please, take some time to think it over.



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the ego is an essential tool for you to exercise properly your discernment skills, then freedom of choice. That rings a bell, don´t you think?, wich best way to manipulate and control someone that by destroying the ego of the subject, isn´t it?.

When we are destroying our egos we are destroying another precious gift we got here, our uniquenesses.

Most people who blame ego of bad things happening in his life is because they cannot get anything good out of it, i suppose.

Oh yeah, kill the ego!, and find nirvana!, a lot of ego demonizers say. How senseless it sounds, that you came here to actually, live a life as human, and when you are into the thing you only want to escape through meditations, nullifications of the power of your mind, and repression of emotions. C´mon, i had never meditated on my entire life, or , ah well, i tryed less than 5 times and fell asleep, ok, that´s a hint. The fastest solution: go suicide yourself, if you can´t handle life because it´s too much for you.

The awesome part is to realize life is too much for you, what a message for you there. O_o
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If you seek individual power and freedom then you to choose
to separate yourself from everyone else. This will be your journey.
Enjoy the illusion while it lasts.

In the journey of the mind involves self exploration and freedom.
But when this lesson is achieved, everything eventually goes back to the source. Gather your wisdom and share it with others.

But the lesson of the mind is coming to an end.
To go to the next level of your spiritual evolution
you must now learn how to love and deal with this connection
to all creation.

If you choose to ignore the divinity in all existence, you
will be free to think for eternity but be still in your own separate realm
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""The sincere people who faithfully follow “love” teachings typically live in a box with the lid down."

Love teachings. Love is to be done, experienced, felt spontaneously, and done spontaneously flowing from within; not to be teached, talked about, or forced to be made to being accepted socially without the obvious prejudices trown to those who slightly appear negative when being yourself it´s more important than being negative or positive.

Being yourself instead of being "all love" or "oneness consciousness" is being human, is being able to avoid feeling guilty by being what you are and haveing the feelings that you have, whatever their nature is. Is being what we beautifully have come here to be: mortal, fallible, fragile, rare, uncomprehensible beings. Encouraging humanness is encouragin the true hope this world needs. Sadly, that It´s not being done anywhere, because there is a fight for the souls of the people, to make them choose alignments, positions, sides, and activisms, like, for example, the one shown on this forum.

When we accept what we really are here, when we accept the evident truth, without further deep and overly complicated explanations, not the hidden truths about ourselves (those later), we are able to see and feel true love for the rest of the species, true unconditional one. Usually, that is not a bliss, because it can bring you endless problems, but, is a optimal beginning because it will force you to act differently from the very start of it, and, believe me, it will never leave you. You will have to fight with all those contradictory impulses because pure love is only to be used for specific situations and under specific circumstances.

Then, is just when the "divine" get ins contact with the human part of itself. Then is when the divine finds it´s true meaning: that being human is not any kind of punishment, but the answer to all your questions in the first place. You can feel you are expanding like the cosmos expands itself. Only if you are able to learn to handle all your repressed emotions. They all are there to make you a rainbow of a being.

There are many that tryes hard to make you take positions using your weaknesses as a tool for them to manipulate you towards the fullfillment of their agenda. They basically try their best to make you feel guilty of being idle, neutral, or stand by without any direct objetive in mind at the moment. Or just making you feel guilty of having negative emotions. Raise your eyebrow: you are being brainwhased, manipulated, and controlled.
I don't know if you have had some particularly bad experiences with "spirituality" but your statement "They basically try their best to make you feel guilty of being idle, neutral, or stand by without any direct objetive in mind at the moment. Or just making you feel guilty of having negative emotions." has never been my experience.

I do not take well to any kind of control or structure, I practice Transcendental Meditation and no one has ever tried to control me or tell me to feel guilty for my feelings or thoughts. This does not mean I walk around in a bubble of innocence believing all is wonderful in the world. From my perspective your comments are extreme generalizations that have no basis in truth.

I hope one day (if you wish) that you will be able to feel the pleasure of true connectedness with this beautiful planet and all the beings who inhabit it.
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Old 11-05-2008, 08:58 PM   #21
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Hi Deoxyan,

Maybe you want to review your intentions of why you registered on Avalon?

Please, take some time to think it over.



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are you threatening me with mod measures by just posting this thread and mi free opinion?. When the post you quoted talks about being non-mentally controlled, you, a mod, came out saying that, it gives food for thought you know.

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If you seek individual power and freedom then you to choose
to separate yourself from everyone else. This will be your journey.
Enjoy the illusion while it lasts.

In the journey of the mind involves self exploration and freedom.
But when this lesson is achieved, everything eventually goes back to the source. Gather your wisdom and share it with others.

But the lesson of the mind is coming to an end.
To go to the next level of your spiritual evolution
you must now learn how to love and deal with this connection
to all creation.

If you choose to ignore the divinity in all existence, you
will be free to think for eternity but be still in your own separate realm
of repetition and suffering.

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You don´t know me at all to suppose that much about me. I would add you misinterpeted or misunderstood my words in a huge degree, what more can i say... try understand them again, rereading, etc. Have patience.

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I don't know if you have had some particularly bad experiences with "spirituality" but your statement "They basically try their best to make you feel guilty of being idle, neutral, or stand by without any direct objetive in mind at the moment. Or just making you feel guilty of having negative emotions." has never been my experience.

I do not take well to any kind of control or structure, I practice Transcendental Meditation and no one has ever tried to control me or tell me to feel guilty for my feelings or thoughts. This does not mean I walk around in a bubble of innocence believing all is wonderful in the world. From my perspective your comments are extreme generalizations that have no basis in truth.

I hope one day (if you wish) that you will be able to feel the pleasure of true connectedness with this beautiful planet and all the beings who inhabit it.
i have had many bad experiences with people who think of themselves too high on the spiritual level, enough said. I continue havegin that bad experiences, today.

Dont suppose that much about me. Whatever you want to know about me, just ask, dont fail to believe your own suppositions, dont feed yourself with your self-invented lies about me.

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Old 11-05-2008, 09:04 PM   #22
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"Dont suppose that much about me. Whatever you want to know about me, just ask, dont fail supposing."

Deoxyan, I didn't suppose that about you at all, I said I didn't know if you had bad experiences.....please don't suppose that just because I believe love to be a preferable emotion to hate, that I am a mind-controlled, clueless fool.
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Old 11-05-2008, 09:11 PM   #23
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"Dont suppose that much about me. Whatever you want to know about me, just ask, dont fail supposing."

Deoxyan, I didn't suppose that about you at all, I said I didn't know if you had bad experiences.....please don't suppose that just because I believe love to be a preferable emotion to hate, that I am a mind-controlled, clueless fool.
man, if you don´t fit in the description, why do you enter inside it, i dont suppose anything about you and i don´t have time to do that, so stop that.

As a generalization it is, don´t identify yourself with it if you feel there has nothing to do with yourself and your life, problem solved!.

the worse of it all, i never called anyone a clueless fool. People are free to choose their paths.

if you suppose i dont perceive the world as wonderfully you told you perceives it, then you are basing your supposition on nothing but your imagination. that´s the point.

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Old 11-05-2008, 09:15 PM   #24
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well folks I know ego has become a dirty word on this thread, and although I am not going to go kill myself because I want ego transcendent enlightenment, I also see ego as a gift

essentially if balance is our goal per the law of one then ego must be attended to just as much as the surrendered states of oneness

without the ego we would not see ourselves as separate at all

and without that separateness we would not have a dualistic experience we chose to have, it was planned was it not?

wasn't that the point in the first place, to embrace ego (division) to learn?

to die and be in the oneness, to only choose to incarnate again separated

and finally when incarnated...to only admonish that separateness and strive back towards unity

seems kind of like seeing the grass as greener on the other side of the ...er fence no matter which side of the ...er fence your on

no I don't propose feeding the ego only, but to ignore it seems counter productive, and like it or not we all do it anyway no matter how hard you try or like to think you dont, even those sexy monks

only the most dedicated can conquer it, and Deoxyan is simply questioning that ideology IMHO

I give, I love, I cherish, I am

these are good things IMHO and would be impossible without the ego

I also realize I could be absolutely wrong

my two cents
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i must have achieved a way of life where the obssession with unity with the rest of the species has ceased to exist. I feel wonderful, because i don´t feel myself neither separate from anything, or united. This is the thing. The strings of harmony. Is like a breath of fresh air, and hope.

by one way, i can stablish deep connections with people, nature, the universe, whenever i wish, by the other way, i can just ignore that hability and relax having a beer. Oneness is good sometimes, bad sometimes. Love is good sometimes, bad sometimes. That´s all.

What i share here is just a tiny bit on how i live. This is what is called "sharing experiences", or sharing just a testimony on a life perspective. Whatever useful, take it, whatever useless, leave it.

Just use those simple premises.

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