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Old 11-06-2008, 01:15 PM   #51
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I understand fully what you say, the difficulty here seems that love has been interpreted (or utilized by the leaders) as "sentimental love"...conditional love...

Love is not sentimental nor coodependant love just is unconditional.

Unconditional means "without conditions"

Same can be applied to sympathy...most of the charitable work gets done out of pitty and the "guilt" people feel that they are better off than others; the root of the problem is in the inequality of the economic system and charities are solely the "band aid" that help us sleep at night if we live in a 1st world country.

Compassion on the other hand is giving to others what they need, even if it is a though lessons, not what we want to give to make us feel better.

This is and extract from http://www.kindnet.co.uk/articles/un...onal_love.html

Unconditional Love

We all dream of it, novels, songs and plays have been written about it and yet nobody can give you a straight definition of what it is and how you can recognize it.

Unconditional love is a vibration that resonates all throught the cosmos, the creation, our universe and all universes. It is GOD or All that Is. It is the raw material of EVERYTHING that exists, existed and will exist.

Unconditional love is the malleable force behind every particle; it extends from the smallest to the biggest.

The air around you is filled with unconditional love, which is one of the ways GOD is everywhere inside and outside you. Try some conscious breathing when you feel sad and lonely and experience the miracle by yourself.

Every particle, atom, cell in your physical body is filled with the vibration of unconditional love. And what can be more unconditional than that, cells work for us, keep our body together and we never say thanks do we? Think about your cells and get to know them and share their love. It is truly a very moving experience.

Unconditional love is what your soul gives you liberally when you finally decide to go inwards and work with it. And gosh, it is so incredible, so beautiful and so indescribable! It is a kind of feeling that when you have felt it once you have to have more and you find out that nothing in this planet of illusion can really measure up to that.

And the love of the Masters, like Lord Sananda, Lady Nada and the Divine Mother. A vibration of true ecstasy that will lift you to the light just by calling their names.

(Try saying Sananda, Sananda, Sananda....etc. it really works!)

We can not “fall in love” we are love, we just need to accept that and look for it in the temple of our own hearts where all that the universe is resides in potential.

You will say that is unattainable but it is not true. It takes work and commitment to rid yourself of the darkness within, and work integrating the personality as we have explained before, and surrendering to your real master, your beautiful and immortal soul.

Once you are prepared to let go of the illusion and pain of this world, it is really easy if you follow the advice we are giving to you. Try it, experiment, be an explorer of the inner planes. The rewards are worth a king’s ransom.
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Old 11-06-2008, 01:20 PM   #52
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im doing here service to self and to others at the same time, wich you dont see. But, WHO cares about that, it´s irrelevant i think.
If you think so.


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When you try to define me, encapsulate me that overtly reductionistic and simple way, what you are executing is disempowering techniques.
This was not what i was doing at all. I was making an observation on the material you posted, not attempting to define you. This would be impossible considering that i dont know you enough to do so.

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In the case i had fallen and took you seriously, you will have had the primary responsability of disempowering someone, and me, the second of being so innocent to take you seriously. Don´t worry, that is not gonna happen.
In the case that you might reread what i have said and maybe understand it a little better you would realise that my statement was not in any way directed at you but was supposed to be a catalyst for communication.


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The ego exists for a good purpose: to avoid you to lose your mind. To avoid the abandonment of the sense of reality under the condition in wich you body was born.
The ego is simply a reflection of the outside world and in turn does not portray the true essence of a being. It is a collection of memories and experiences that have accumulated since birth which form the false self that we call the personality.
If the ego is removed we are left with the devine being which is our true self.

The ego is only able to percieve a false sense of reality because our egos senses are limited to sight, hearing, touch, taste and smell and as a result can only give us a very limited perception of the world around us. We are very limited at our ability to correctly define the world around us using the ego although it does a good job on certain aspects such as when we are crossing the road, our ego reminds us that there are cars which use this road, it then reminds us to listen, look left and look right before we may safely cross.
Without the ego we do not need to look left and right, we simply know if it is safe to cross because we are in tune with the world, in tune with the one energetic vibration which connects us all.

The ego seperates. We are by our very essence all connected which automatically makes the ego a false concept and a false sense of reality.
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Old 11-06-2008, 01:38 PM   #53
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jenny ...i honestly suspect that if you could look a little deeper into what deox was trying to point out....
you would realize that she is in NO way, stating that love and oneness are not important....and the ultimate....but that we are as a race being indoctrinated by all corners into a Falseand omeness, beleife of love, hence stripping us humans of our very spiritual strengths
all the same pattern as the politics, the illuminati /system....etc
think a tad deeper into her point and you may very well realize....it is very much in pa with what this forum appears to have meant to be about

if anything warning us to BEWARE of FALSE love and spirituality values

how can that not be in pa with your project?
Because I value this thread and input highly I tried to encourage him to stick with his intentions. It was no warning, just a friendly reminder.
There were some minor irritations in the past. And I dont want that to obstruct his views and his expression.



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Old 11-06-2008, 01:51 PM   #54
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I understand fully what you say, the difficulty here seems that love has been interpreted (or utilized by the leaders) as "sentimental love"...conditional love...

Love is not sentimental nor coodependant love just is unconditional.

Unconditional means "without conditions"

Same can be applied to sympathy...most of the charitable work gets done out of pitty and the "guilt" people feel that they are better off than others; the root of the problem is in the inequality of the economic system and charities are solely the "band aid" that help us sleep at night if we live in a 1st world country.

Compassion on the other hand is giving to others what they need, even if it is a though lessons, not what we want to give to make us feel better.

This is and extract from http://www.kindnet.co.uk/articles/un...onal_love.html

Unconditional Love

We all dream of it, novels, songs and plays have been written about it and yet nobody can give you a straight definition of what it is and how you can recognize it.

Unconditional love is a vibration that resonates all throught the cosmos, the creation, our universe and all universes. It is GOD or All that Is. It is the raw material of EVERYTHING that exists, existed and will exist.

Unconditional love is the malleable force behind every particle; it extends from the smallest to the biggest.

The air around you is filled with unconditional love, which is one of the ways GOD is everywhere inside and outside you. Try some conscious breathing when you feel sad and lonely and experience the miracle by yourself.

Every particle, atom, cell in your physical body is filled with the vibration of unconditional love. And what can be more unconditional than that, cells work for us, keep our body together and we never say thanks do we? Think about your cells and get to know them and share their love. It is truly a very moving experience.

Unconditional love is what your soul gives you liberally when you finally decide to go inwards and work with it. And gosh, it is so incredible, so beautiful and so indescribable! It is a kind of feeling that when you have felt it once you have to have more and you find out that nothing in this planet of illusion can really measure up to that.

And the love of the Masters, like Lord Sananda, Lady Nada and the Divine Mother. A vibration of true ecstasy that will lift you to the light just by calling their names.

(Try saying Sananda, Sananda, Sananda....etc. it really works!)

We can not “fall in love” we are love, we just need to accept that and look for it in the temple of our own hearts where all that the universe is resides in potential.

You will say that is unattainable but it is not true. It takes work and commitment to rid yourself of the darkness within, and work integrating the personality as we have explained before, and surrendering to your real master, your beautiful and immortal soul.

Once you are prepared to let go of the illusion and pain of this world, it is really easy if you follow the advice we are giving to you. Try it, experiment, be an explorer of the inner planes. The rewards are worth a king’s ransom.
xxxxx

Love
i have said earlier in this thread how to feel permanently unconditional love towards everything, seems u haven´t catch it. Though, that feeling never makes your life an eternal bliss. A hardcore experiencer of that tells you this.

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The ego is simply a reflection of the outside world and in turn does not portray the true essence of a being. It is a collection of memories and experiences that have accumulated since birth which form the false self that we call the personality.
If the ego is removed we are left with the devine being which is our true self.

The ego is only able to percieve a false sense of reality because our egos senses are limited to sight, hearing, touch, taste and smell and as a result can only give us a very limited perception of the world around us. We are very limited at our ability to correctly define the world around us using the ego although it does a good job on certain aspects such as when we are crossing the road, our ego reminds us that there are cars which use this road, it then reminds us to listen, look left and look right before we may safely cross.
Without the ego we do not need to look left and right, we simply know if it is safe to cross because we are in tune with the world, in tune with the one energetic vibration which connects us all.

The ego seperates. We are by our very essence all connected which automatically makes the ego a false concept and a false sense of reality.
The ego is a tool wich you can use to travel dimensionally, that´s all. The point here is not to attach youself to the pleasures of knowing, the supposed true essence of a-our being, i think it´s because you cannot know what cannot be known, and that is our truest essence: infinity. Again and again, i say the same thing over and over.

There is not a false or true sense of reality, there is only your perception of it.... wich is indeed real, as everyone is no matter what. You can accept relativity because is a fact. Perceptions are perceptions, they are real as they are processed by the brain, what you could see them as not real is because you try to put them under a context wich is not their own so they are out of place then they are unreal to that one.

Comparing ourselves to a painting, the true self would be a white unpainted thing, the ego makes the beautiful painting. If you don´t like you ego, try to fix it, but dont blame it of your bad life experiences, that´s irresponsible and a set of excuses wich makes you powerless everytime you use them.

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Old 11-06-2008, 02:17 PM   #55
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Interesting discusion.

As far as ego is concerned, i believe it is part of the template in which we incarnate into and the ultimate challenge the spirit must overcome. Once incarnated, the battle is on between ego and spirit with the goal of spirit mastering, but not destroying the ego.

The ego has many advantages - not the least being that it is materially driven and in the material plane, so it has home ground advantage so to speak. If the spirit wins, ie, sees materialism for what it is, and happily emerses itself in it while maintaining detatchment, then it wins and can progress to the next level.

I get the feeling my spirit chose the "easy" level, what living in Australia in a nondescript middle class environment. Imaging incarnating into, say, George Bush - the not so bright son of a powerful crime boss. Wow, that would be like, extreme difficulty. That particular spirit that incarnated into George Bush JR has had a pretty bad game up to now hehe.

It's all just a game

As to "enlightenment"

I believe achieving enlightenment is a challenge in itself, because it brings the ego back into play. To me "enlightenment" is knowing what the game is all about: ie, that we live in a magical world where believe/will manifests, certainly on a collective level, but also at an individual level.

Once you have that sussed out, what do you do with that power? Do you use it to attract money and wealth? Beautiful women? Power? It's all there for the taking after all. Enter the ego..........


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Old 11-06-2008, 02:30 PM   #56
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my ego helps me wonderfully on givin pleasures to my spirit.
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Old 11-06-2008, 02:44 PM   #57
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Same here

I don't subscribe to the monk theory of isolating yourself from materialism to quash your ego. I think the key is to emerse yourself in the material world, revel in it even, but see it for what it is (a wonderful illusion) Do that, then your spirit guides your ego, not the other way around.

Easier said than done of course, but it' the philosophy i (my spirit) tries to live by.
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Old 11-06-2008, 04:13 PM   #58
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You don´t know me at all to suppose that much about me. I would add you misinterpeted or misunderstood my words in a huge degree, what more can i say... try understand them again, rereading, etc. Have patience.
But it's undeniable that if you chose individualism, the pleasures of the ego, you are separating yourself, even if it's not your intention. I don't condemn you for promoting the ego, it's a very human trait that I also value.
But well, how do you wish the world to naturally evolve to solve all contradictions, the very lack of meaning in life, if you don't believe in the intentions of the Law of One?
The meaning of life is seemingly to find meaning in life, amusing how even the most basic question is a paradox! The world cannot go on like this, there must be change. We are about to destroy ourselves, growing too large for this planet, and our 3d physical bodies cannot hope to survive a travel to another solar system to begin anew.

Even if you believe it's **** and tricks and sinister purposes, what else can we believe in. What is the best course for humanity?

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Old 11-06-2008, 04:31 PM   #59
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i have to agree that some of our greatest powers can be, and are, one of our greatest weaknesses. Because they can be misused to confuse us into believing things that in the end disempowers us. Depending on the techniques used the atractor factor used has to be some wich is considered a great one by the people like love, god, oneness happiness, and the list goes on an on.... then once they have taken the bait, they can be mentally devoured, creepy indeed when you realise how many people do that.
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Good Luck to you! To all who continue in the old ways of the ego.

Your soul will be here for as long as it has too!
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Good Luck to you! To all who continue in the old ways of the ego.

Your soul will be here for as long as it has too!
you are probably wrong. you didnt understood what i have said. Not surprising, people tends to be narrow minded to new ideas about how you can live your life with the true freedom u are given. This is a war on consciousness, not a war on truth. A war for the souls and the power of the people. Not a contest on showing who is more accurate to the truth.
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But it's undeniable that if you chose individualism, the pleasures of the ego, you are separating yourself, even if it's not your intention. I don't condemn you for promoting the ego, it's a very human trait that I also value.
But well, how do you wish the world to naturally evolve to solve all contradictions, the very lack of meaning in life, if you don't believe in the intentions of the Law of One?
The meaning of life is seemingly to find meaning in life, amusing how even the most basic question is a paradox! The world cannot go on like this, there must be change. We are about to destroy ourselves, growing too large for this planet, and our 3d physical bodies cannot hope to survive a travel to another solar system to begin anew.

Even if you believe it's **** and tricks and sinister purposes, what else can we believe in. What is the best course for humanity?
sorry but if you dont even understand what ego is, and, as a tool, for what it can serve you, you will be confused about it forever, until you surrender yourself to understand the ego instead of relating it with separatedness, or whatever other negative adjetives you want it to relate.

the best course for humanity is to learn from their mistakes, by failure, by pain.

And, believe me, they will. Just prepare your spirit, empower it, you will need that in the times ahead.
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Old 11-06-2008, 05:14 PM   #63
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Deoxyan...

Anybody who does not see that you have very valid point is mistaken. I think that you posting this took alot of courage because of the amount of people around here who think that by just sitting on their ass and saying I love you is going to save everything.

The oneness, I love you feeling is a great theory and probably has alot of truth to it....
We are all one the evil and the good..

But too many times it is used to stop thinking and constructive thought....
It blocks responses... People just respond... I love you... or we are all one... Then the conversation has to end there... They feel they are right and so they dont have to contemplate anything else...

I think that it is very similar to how people can be tricked into believing this whole Obama mess.

Either way... GREAT THREAD Deoxyan
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Im sorry to say i see the people in general are very little empowered themselves. Many ideologies, who claim to empower the individual, fail end up being deceptions and mind control programs.

That would be good in case nothing happens, and the world goes on the same as always, that boring way.

But, if that ends up not being the case, i encourage empowerment, not as the solution to the problems, directly, but as a way of realization in a expanded degree of what you are capable of (your potential) under this human experience.

This is not a question of courage, it´s a question... that i have nothing better to do than this: the power is not in the truth, the power is in yourself. Because the power resides out of dimensional frames of reference. You are Adimensional.
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Deoxyan...
... But too many times it is used to stop thinking and constructive thought....
It blocks responses... People just respond... { }... Then the conversation has to end there... They feel they are right and so they dont have to contemplate anything else...
Deoxyan
Hi!

Am not really here to chat about the main thread topic, but was interested in what you just said (quoted above)...

I think this is so true, especially when it comes to ANY belief system, be it spiritual approach, or religious, or political, or anything else for that matter!)..

I tried to explain this on one of my other posts somewhere... we humans often get so 'fixed'/attached to our beliefs and ideas of what is "right" or "the answer" or the "way" (sometimes without even realising it)... and thus we rarely remain TRULY open to the moment.. to opening up/exploring/changing our minds.. once we've taken on board/grown attached to/'found' a particular belief/set of beliefs that makes sense or 'worked' for us at a given time.

strange.. given so many people feel "open" or "enlightened" or "aware" in so many ways.. that we can all also be somehow so totally 'closed' about changing/re-considering, even challenging our own views/opinions/beliefs!

how many of us truly remain open to re-approaching/re-examining/questioning our own views/conclusions/beliefs... on a regular basis? I went through this process personally, with the whole "co-creation" idea several years ago.. and was quite amazed to find my some of my old firmly-held spiritual/life beliefs had fallen away .. after many many years of stubbornly holding onto an idea that made so much sense to me at the time... it felt like a sort of release/relief in some ways..

.. like I'd shed another layer of my own spiritual onion!!

Amazing really.. what a quite stubborn/inflexible bunch we are here on Earth, in many ways!
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sorry but if you dont even understand what ego is, and, as a tool, for what it can serve you
I suppose it boils down to if you wish to attain some higher knowledge/meaning/insert-preference of the world by yourself or by the help of others.
The ego itself is the base for the argument "help me, help you" which is a fundamental base of all relations, if you view it in an egoistic perspective.

So.. perspective. Perspective is a contradiction of the Absolute Truth, which is what we all want to know, that's why we discuss...

I am reluctant to submit my own will and base for existence, my ego, to some collective consciousness. But perhaps we will know far greater things than what we can fathom in this 3d perspective.
The contradictions of the world are undeniable. They exist only because we try to understand the world with a limited mind. I am not satisfied with this existence. Are you?
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Being not satisfied with this existence makes you ego to automatically search for the proper energy motives to get out of your situation. Sometimes that could end to ego trying to kill himself to be released of the suffering. Funny to realize that happens so frequently.



I think the discussion about the absolute truth is an absolute waste of time.


by now im satisfied in one side and unsatisfied in another wich gives sense to my spiritual condition, the condition of the one who wants to travel elsewhere.
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Wow, you must have been in a few of those societies that controlled the population with "be good", and "we love you" electronic implants. We have seen quite a number of them in our sessions. Yup, I've got their number

Of course, I'm not going to throw love and oneness out with the dirty bathwater. I'm first creating love and oneness with myself and see where it goes from there.

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“Love one another.” “We are all one.”

Such beautiful sentiments. Love is the balm that heals the heart, and oneness the reality that joins us. But spiritual teachers with an agenda use “love” and “oneness” teachings to keep the lid down on their disciples’ spiritual development.

Let’s look at these teachings one at a time and see how they are used to manipulate. When a teacher or religion preaches love, at first glance that seems to be a good thing. It encourages people to be selfless and to help their fellows. Because of “love” teachings, religious people give to the poor, volunteer their time, and bite their tongue a lot. They say “the right thing” and don’t do things that other people won’t like. They put their desires on the backburner and focus instead on doing what they think will make others happy. Whenever sentiments of discontent or rebellion arise, they quash them with the stern heel of conscience. They know such feelings are from the dark side, and that they must be vigilant against them.

Years go by, and these well-meaning people become frustrated and repressed. The rebellion in them grows, because they are not listening to themselves. Their soul cries out for experiences, for learning through experience, but they have been taught that personal desires are selfish, so the cries of their soul go unheeded. They grow depressed or angry, because their purpose of embodiment in human form has been thwarted. The frustration comes out in many negative ways: short-temperedness, jealousy, vindictiveness, gossip, judgmentalness.

The sincere people who faithfully follow “love” teachings typically live in a box with the lid down, able to express but little of themselves because instinctual wants are considered suspect or evil. Repressed, their souls turn miserable or spiteful, like a dog chained for years to a stake. “See, it’s a bad dog,” people say when the animal snarls and nips, convinced by such nasty behavior that they were right in chaining that animal all along.

Telling people to be unselfish creates a shadow personality inside them, the very “ego” that religions decry and that wouldn’t exist without religion. It’s ego, teachers preach, that makes the spirit discontent and rebellious. The vices their followers find in their private hearts are proof that the soul is a tainted thing, needing to be risen above or controlled.

So people redouble their efforts to be kind and loving. They volunteer more time, give more money to their church or their guru, and bite their tongue so hard that it hurts. But their “wicked” spirit only becomes sulkier, their negative thoughts stronger, their suppressed rage greater.

The spiritual teacher has, of course, the solution to all this. The Christian struggling with wicked thoughts is told to surrender his soul to Jesus. The disciple plagued by negativity is told to surrender her ego to Oneness Consciousness. It amounts to the same thing. Spiritual aspirants must make an oblation of the will (the soul’s chief attribute and mode of expression) to something perceived as greater and purer than themselves. If they do this, God, they are promised, will destroy the evil in their hearts. Oneness, or Brahman Consciousness, will dissolve their selfish cravings and negative mental chatter. The soul will melt away into the wholeness that is their true cosmic nature, or into the love that is Jesus. The troublesome entity they have fought with for years, their inner self, will be gone. In its place will come a peace that surpasseth understanding, the presence of the Divine alive in their heart.

People who succeed in going the final steps to such surrender do indeed experience peace, but it is the peace of spiritual death. Gone is the cry of their spirit for expression, for freedom to live and do things in the world. Gone is the frustration of the heart that lived in a box all its life. All noise is silenced. The soul has been snuffed out. All that exists in the shell called the body is the presence of something else: a new, “holy” or “cosmic” consciousness.

The consciousness that takes over when we surrender our souls only claims to be divine or of the Source. It is a consciousness that hates life, that abhors uniqueness and diversity. It wants to wipe out the creative spark whose expression was the purpose of creation. That spark, individual consciousness, burst forth from the Source Consciousness in a brilliant firework display at the beginning of time. We are those sparks, children of the Infinite, and our play and display is the reason for the world.

The play has been thwarted for millenniums. The display has been forbidden. Any original impulses that don’t align with institutionalized spiritual programming, in religions of East or West, are judged egoistic or evil. While a few people in society break free from these fetters (becoming our artists, our inventors, our thinkers), most of mankind lives under the yoke of spiritual repression, judging their deepest instincts as suspect, selfish, and wrong.

So we live in miserable marriages, work at miserable jobs, go places we don’t want to go for the “happiness” of our families, and do things we don’t want to do to help the less fortunate. Religious people work so hard to make sure everyone else is happy, but no one does anything that makes anyone happy, because happiness is a luxury they’re told they have no right to expect or experience.

I remember as a girl, how Sundays my family would sit around asking one another how they’d like to spend the day. “Would you like to go to the park?” one person would ask. “I don’t know, would you like to go to the park?” would come the reply. Everyone was so busy being unselfish, trying to do what the others supposedly wanted, that no one ever answered honestly about what they thought would be fun. So we went to the park or museum, never knowing if even one family member really wanted to go there. We were that intent on being good Christians, on sacrificing our personal desires for the sake of everyone else. We thought that made us moral and pleasing to God.

I often think of this sad and ridiculous scenario that was acted out so many times when I was growing up, and what a metaphor it is for all decisions that are based on repressing our inner spark for the supposed higher good. What if instead we all listened to the promptings in our hearts, without judgment? What if we stopped calling those promptings “ego” and considered them messages from the divine within us, messages there to guide us through life?

Those who have succumbed to the teaching that the ego is a self-serving, antisocial, anti-spiritual entity that lives inside waiting to undermine, can never free the creative spark and do the things that truly bring happiness to themselves and to others. When we trust our desires and stop judging them as selfish, the nastiness that once accrued to our inner spirit strangely disappears. The soul isn’t repressed anymore. It is free and expressing, fulfilling its divine promptings. Gone is its envy toward others, its anger and resentment. The soul fills with its own innate joy, and wishes no less for everybody else.

Egoism and evil are not born of this entity; they are born of repressing this entity. Left to itself, unjudged and uncensored, the soul desires good things for itself and for all creation. So where is the selfishness?

Spiritual teachers tell us to love, but true love is never born of an edict. Love is not biting your tongue, doing what someone else wants, repressing your desires, giving money to charity or doing prescribed service. All those things come from an effort at love, not from having love. When you have love, you need no mandates. Love is a tenderness of feeling, an empathy to what another is going through, a perception of the beauty in another.

Not only is a mandate not needed for real love – a mandate is useless in bringing love about. How can a spiritual rule make you feel tenderness or empathy, or appreciation of beauty? Only an open soul can experience those things. A soul shrouded in judgment of itself as egoistic and selfish cannot feel tenderness, empathy or appreciation. It is way too hurt and closed for such delicate feelings. Expecting a judged soul to bloom forth in genuine love is like expecting a seedling you poured drain cleaner on, to sprout forth in beautiful, new, green shoots.

Any spiritual leader who makes love the core of their teaching or who talks of dissolving the “small self” or “ego” leads mankind further into the dark. A truly awake person knows that love cannot be achieved through effort and that egoism is the product of self-flagellation. The truly awake don’t tell people to be loving, they suggest people be true to themselves. They advise self-trust. They are also aware of the nature of religion and its destructive role in the world. They speak out against it in all its forms.

Truly spiritual people recognize that religions use teachings of love and oneness to manipulate humanity into first judging and then surrendering their precious, unique souls (in the form of their will). They perceive that someone stands to gain from this, those who stand at the top of religions, those who call themselves God, gods, or gurus. They know that the true God, the Source Consciousness, has no need for worship and never mandated such. They know that anyone asking for adulation is less than Infinite, less than divine – an imposter pretending to be those things.

The truly aware know that Source Consciousness wants only that its purpose in creation be fulfilled: the play and display of happiness, in a myriad expression of souls, unique in their wonderful forms. They know that religion’s teachings of mandated love and dissolving ego thwart the Infinite’s purpose by destroying those souls.

People who know the truth encourage free expression, independence, individuality. They cheer for things like questioning, dissent, and nonconformity. They never codify “truth” and they never set themselves up as “teachers.” They don’t allow others to put them on a pedestal. They don’t appear on the rolls of “the holy” or “the Self-realized.” They are simple, confident people going about their lives with the light on inside.

No one turns to them as gurus or quotes them as spiritual authorities. They bring light to the world by being who they are and living freely and differently. Their joy and originality inspire those around them to re-evaluate the shrunken, judged personhood inside themselves, to consider whether it, too, might be capable of such luminosity. The truly awake inspire envy and anger in many, whose first reaction to the possibility of freedom is outrage, because it means they may have been traveling in the wrong direction all their lives.

Love is the sweetest expression of life, the flower of God’s creation. Oneness is our deepest nature, the place we all join with God (to quote the poet, Matthew Arnold) like islands “linking (our) coral arms beneath the sea.” Love and Oneness – what could be better?

But teachings that tell us to practice love and to surrender to Oneness are quite another thing. There are those who would twist mankind’s natural spiritual instincts to serve their sinister purposes. Love and Oneness are their calling cards.

(For more about those sinister purposes, see my other articles in the “Blowing the Whistle on Enlightenment” series.)

Bronte Baxter

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Old 11-06-2008, 07:13 PM   #69
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Being not satisfied with this existence makes you ego to automatically search for the proper energy motives to get out of your situation. Sometimes that could end to ego trying to kill himself to be released of the suffering. Funny to realize that happens so frequently.



I think the discussion about the absolute truth is an absolute waste of time.


by now im satisfied in one side and unsatisfied in another wich gives sense to my spiritual condition, the condition of the one who wants to travel elsewhere.

Yeah, it's a complete waste of time, we don't have any means to know any.
I also agree with that the ego is a valid path in life, I respect it, and you make valid points. But I wish to continue to be influenced, and cannot stop until I've explored all possibilities, which I likely never will hehe.
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or how best not to serve anything, you can see how again the "taking" sides thing has came into place.
That should definitely be on the menu.
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Yeah, it's a complete waste of time, we don't have any means to know any.
I also agree with that the ego is a valid path in life, I respect it, and you make valid points. But I wish to continue to be influenced, and cannot stop until I've explored all possibilities, which I likely never will hehe.

The only thing that kills it, in my view, is chronic seriousness.

I think I've pretty much explored all of the possibilities external to myself (same ole same ole) and now I am busily exploring the possibilities within myself. Perhaps after awhile I will begin to manifest external possibilities for others to enjoy.
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Hi Deoxyan

First of all, great thread. I think the Bronte Baxter (Splinter in the mind) blog is very thought provoking.

Before commenting, I thought I would try to find a good definition of what I think the ego is being defined as:
http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/encyclopedia/ego.htm

But, after reading that I feel that the ego helps us translate our earthly experiences to our spiritual plane and I feel that is needed for balance. I need my heart (soul) and my mind (ego) to function as a whole person. It is all about balance in the here and now; before we can even get close to the Divine within.

Unconditional Love and Oneness are the product of a balanced human experience and being that we don't yet reside in the ethereal world, how can we ascertain that balance without the mind (ego)?

It is all very ponderous and I know just enough not to be inflexible in my opinion.
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Hi Deoxyan

First of all, great thread. I think the Bronte Baxter (Splinter in the mind) blog is very thought provoking.

Before commenting, I thought I would try to find a good definition of what I think the ego is being defined as:
http://www.kriyayoga.com/english/encyclopedia/ego.htm

But, after reading that I feel that the ego helps us translate our earthly experiences to our spiritual plane and I feel that is needed for balance. I need my heart (soul) and my mind (ego) to function as a whole person. It is all about balance in the here and now; before we can even get close to the Divine within.

Unconditional Love and Oneness are the product of a balanced human experience and being that we don't yet reside in the ethereal world, how can we ascertain that balance without the mind (ego)?

It is all very ponderous and I know just enough not to be inflexible in my opinion.
i think we are that god who decided it got bored of being alone in his great "divinity" and then we appeared. Seems, the only difference beween that god and us is the amnessia we have, on purpose.

Amnessia can make you forget who you are so, great for that to be done, the plan of god.

Well, i never use the word god, i use the word source. We are the source under amnessia, probably. We came to be what we are because it was pointless to be the source without amnessia because that cannot exist, it can only exist under the conceptualizations we make, and speculate about, as far as i know, from our external dimensional coordinates of reference we have, the ego. Internally, we are the source, externally, all that you perceive, even your spirit, emotions, and thoughts, those all are external features of your dimensional location now.

for me all this suppositions only are logical conclusions, but, i don´t think that is all there is, or all there it can be.

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It does seem that we have had more than one sleeping and fresh awakening, thus more than one "beginning". I'm still scratching my head about that.
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