Juarez Vigilante Group Claims it Will Kill One Criminal Every 24 Hours

01-20-2009, 05:39 AM

Juarez Vigilante Group Claims it Will Kill One Criminal Every 24 Hours
January 19th, 2009

If the nightmare of Juarez is unfamiliar to you, check out, While You Were Sleeping by Charles Bowden. That’s from 1996.

Via: El Paso Times:

A group calling itself the Comando Ciudadano por Juárez, or the Juárez Citizens Command, is claiming it will kill a criminal every 24 hours to bring order to the violent crime-plagued city.

The announcement of the supposed group was the first known case of possible organized vigilantism in Juárez as police and the military have been apparently unable to stop a plague of killings and other crimes.

“Better the death of a bad person than that they continue to contaminating our region,” the news release stated in Spanish.

The supposed group issued a news release via e-mail stating it is nonpartisan and funded by businessmen fed up with crime.

The group, also calling itself the CCJ, said it would issue a manifesto in the coming days and would set up a system where residents can electronically send information about criminals.

“Our mission is to terminate the life of a criminal every 24 hours … The hour has come to stop this disorder in Juárez,” the CCJ stated.

The announcement comes as Juárez struggles with a wave of homicides, extortions, carjackings, robberies and other crimes that began last year.

Business people, teachers, medical professionals and others were targeted by extortionists in the last year as crime surged due in a part to a war between drug cartels. There were more than 1,600 homicides in Juárez last year.

There have been more than 40 homicides already this year, including 10 on Wednesday.

Research Credit: Lagavulin

Dantheman62 · 01-20-2009, 05:48 AM

Retiring CIA chief Michael Hayden said last week that Mexico's drug violence was possibly a greater problem than Iraq for President-elect Barack Obama. The U.S. Justice Department also says Mexican gangs are one of the biggest threats to the United States.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has sent tens of thousands of troops and federal police to battle drug gangs but the violence has become worse since he took office in 2006.

At least two other groups calling themselves vigilantes have sent statements to news organizations in the past two months, one in the northern state of Sonora bordering Arizona, and the other in the Pacific state of Guerrero, home to the beach resort of Acapulco.

In Ciudad Juarez, some residents say they would welcome vigilantes. "That way they would stop the gangs, the mafia. People are leaving here because of so many murders," said David Hinojosa, 30, who shines shoes in the city.

The city has been rocked by gun battles and beheadings by rival gangs fighting over smuggling routes into Texas, despite the presence of around 3,000 troops and federal police.

But local lawmakers say encouraging vigilantes is a mistake. Some residents question whether soldiers are moonlighting as hitmen for drug gangs, a charge the army denies.

"People's reactions are understandable. But this is not the route we should take to solve things," said Andreu Rodriguez, an opposition lawmaker and the head of security issues in Chihuahua's state legislature.

01-20-2009, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

Retiring CIA chief Michael Hayden said last week that Mexico's drug violence was possibly a greater problem than Iraq for President-elect Barack Obama. The U.S. Justice Department also says Mexican gangs are one of the biggest threats to the United States.

Mexican President Felipe Calderon has sent tens of thousands of troops and federal police to battle drug gangs but the violence has become worse since he took office in 2006.

At least two other groups calling themselves vigilantes have sent statements to news organizations in the past two months, one in the northern state of Sonora bordering Arizona, and the other in the Pacific state of Guerrero, home to the beach resort of Acapulco.

In Ciudad Juarez, some residents say they would welcome vigilantes. "That way they would stop the gangs, the mafia. People are leaving here because of so many murders," said David Hinojosa, 30, who shines shoes in the city.

The city has been rocked by gun battles and beheadings by rival gangs fighting over smuggling routes into Texas, despite the presence of around 3,000 troops and federal police.

But local lawmakers say encouraging vigilantes is a mistake. Some residents question whether soldiers are moonlighting as hitmen for drug gangs, a charge the army denies.

"People's reactions are understandable. But this is not the route we should take to solve things," said Andreu Rodriguez, an opposition lawmaker and the head of security issues in Chihuahua's state legislature.

The moonlighting troops is not a surprise given the cross
border incursions I have read of in recent years.

The vigilantes is an interesting phenomena worth close
monitoring because as the social contract unravels in this country you will see it here. In the short term it boils down to two words; civil war. In the long term what
you might expect will be a war lord environment such as
you find in Somalia or Afganistan. It's just a mad mad
mad max world.

TEOTWAWKI

Dantheman62 · 01-20-2009, 06:09 AM

The whole world should keep their eyes on the Vigilante thing going on, maybe it will give some ideas!

01-20-2009, 06:59 AM

She is the block captain of the neighborhood watch
and queen of all she surveys
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/872496...mg_first_time/

.50 caliber vs .223/.308/ak = no contest

But what makes the .50 cal owner lie awake at night?

the anzio 20mm rifle...
This can make Stryker vehicles roll over and die.

Vigilante with a capital V

Humble Janitor · 01-20-2009, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

The whole world should keep their eyes on the Vigilante thing going on, maybe it will give some ideas!

Yes, we need to resurrect the corpse of Charles Bronson and set him loose against the Mexican drug gangs.

Better yet, pull Rambo out of Afghanistan and send him on a mission. If neither are available, Vin Diesel is.

(Sorry. Wanted to have a sense of humor about this)

01-20-2009, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Yes, we need to
Better yet, pull Rambo out of Afghanistan and send him on a mission. If neither are available, Vin Diesel is.

yes, let's bring our children home

Dantheman62 · 01-20-2009, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

She is the block captain of the neighborhood watch
and queen of all she surveys
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/872496...mg_first_time/

.50 caliber vs .223/.308/ak = no contest

But what makes the .50 cal owner lie awake at night?

the anzio 20mm rifle...
This can make Stryker vehicles roll over and die.

Vigilante with a capital V

I want two of each!, you know, just for target practice, LOL!

01-20-2009, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

I want two of each!, you know, just for target practice, LOL!

The last time I checked the ma deuce was running seven dollars per shot.

Because the 20mm has been illegal in America since 1967 I can only guess that you would be allowed to shoot it one time each month without busting your budget.

Dantheman62 · 01-20-2009, 09:33 PM

I've heard the same for the .50 cal., I wonder if there's a reloader for that size?, I've always reloaded my own.

01-20-2009, 10:15 PM

I never got that far into it. I just buy the cheap Soviet stuff (Wolf). It works
well enough for my level of accuracy and requirements.

Dantheman62 · 01-20-2009, 10:30 PM

HaHa that's what I've got too, some cheap Russian hollow points and some plastic coated target rounds for the SKS, which is Chinese, LOL!

Dantheman62 · 01-25-2009, 03:39 AM

MEXICO CITY – President Felipe Calderon's war on drug trafficking has led to his own doorstep, with the arrest of a dozen high-ranking officials with alleged ties to Mexico's most powerful drug gang, the Sinaloa Cartel.

The U.S. praises Calderon for rooting out corruption at the top. But critics say the arrests reveal nothing more than a timeworn government tactic of protecting one cartel and cracking down on others.

Operation Clean House comes just as the U.S. is giving Mexico its first installment of $400 million in equipment and technology to fight drugs. Most will go to a beefed-up federal police agency run by the same people whose top aides have been arrested as alleged Sinaloa spies.

"If there is anything worse than a corrupt and ill-equipped cop, it is a corrupt and well-equipped cop," said criminal justice expert Jorge Chabat, who studies the drug trade.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090124/...tel_in_control

01-20-2009, 05:39 AM	#1
Baggywrinkle Guest Posts: n/a	Juarez Vigilante Group Claims it Will Kill One Criminal Every 24 Hours Juarez Vigilante Group Claims it Will Kill One Criminal Every 24 Hours January 19th, 2009 If the nightmare of Juarez is unfamiliar to you, check out, While You Were Sleeping by Charles Bowden. That’s from 1996. Via: El Paso Times: A group calling itself the Comando Ciudadano por Juárez, or the Juárez Citizens Command, is claiming it will kill a criminal every 24 hours to bring order to the violent crime-plagued city. The announcement of the supposed group was the first known case of possible organized vigilantism in Juárez as police and the military have been apparently unable to stop a plague of killings and other crimes. “Better the death of a bad person than that they continue to contaminating our region,” the news release stated in Spanish. The supposed group issued a news release via e-mail stating it is nonpartisan and funded by businessmen fed up with crime. The group, also calling itself the CCJ, said it would issue a manifesto in the coming days and would set up a system where residents can electronically send information about criminals. “Our mission is to terminate the life of a criminal every 24 hours … The hour has come to stop this disorder in Juárez,” the CCJ stated. The announcement comes as Juárez struggles with a wave of homicides, extortions, carjackings, robberies and other crimes that began last year. Business people, teachers, medical professionals and others were targeted by extortionists in the last year as crime surged due in a part to a war between drug cartels. There were more than 1,600 homicides in Juárez last year. There have been more than 40 homicides already this year, including 10 on Wednesday. Research Credit: Lagavulin

01-20-2009, 05:48 AM	#2
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Juarez Vigilante Group Claims it Will Kill One Criminal Every 24 Hours Retiring CIA chief Michael Hayden said last week that Mexico's drug violence was possibly a greater problem than Iraq for President-elect Barack Obama. The U.S. Justice Department also says Mexican gangs are one of the biggest threats to the United States. Mexican President Felipe Calderon has sent tens of thousands of troops and federal police to battle drug gangs but the violence has become worse since he took office in 2006. At least two other groups calling themselves vigilantes have sent statements to news organizations in the past two months, one in the northern state of Sonora bordering Arizona, and the other in the Pacific state of Guerrero, home to the beach resort of Acapulco. In Ciudad Juarez, some residents say they would welcome vigilantes. "That way they would stop the gangs, the mafia. People are leaving here because of so many murders," said David Hinojosa, 30, who shines shoes in the city. The city has been rocked by gun battles and beheadings by rival gangs fighting over smuggling routes into Texas, despite the presence of around 3,000 troops and federal police. But local lawmakers say encouraging vigilantes is a mistake. Some residents question whether soldiers are moonlighting as hitmen for drug gangs, a charge the army denies. "People's reactions are understandable. But this is not the route we should take to solve things," said Andreu Rodriguez, an opposition lawmaker and the head of security issues in Chihuahua's state legislature.

01-20-2009, 06:09 AM	#4
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Juarez Vigilante Group Claims it Will Kill One Criminal Every 24 Hours The whole world should keep their eyes on the Vigilante thing going on, maybe it will give some ideas!

01-20-2009, 06:59 AM	#5
Baggywrinkle Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Juarez Vigilante Group Claims it Will Kill One Criminal Every 24 Hours She is the block captain of the neighborhood watch and queen of all she surveys http://www.metacafe.com/watch/872496...mg_first_time/ .50 caliber vs .223/.308/ak = no contest But what makes the .50 cal owner lie awake at night? the anzio 20mm rifle... This can make Stryker vehicles roll over and die. Vigilante with a capital V

01-20-2009, 09:33 PM	#10
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Juarez Vigilante Group Claims it Will Kill One Criminal Every 24 Hours I've heard the same for the .50 cal., I wonder if there's a reloader for that size?, I've always reloaded my own.

01-20-2009, 10:15 PM	#11
Baggywrinkle Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Juarez Vigilante Group Claims it Will Kill One Criminal Every 24 Hours I never got that far into it. I just buy the cheap Soviet stuff (Wolf). It works well enough for my level of accuracy and requirements.

01-20-2009, 10:30 PM	#12
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Juarez Vigilante Group Claims it Will Kill One Criminal Every 24 Hours HaHa that's what I've got too, some cheap Russian hollow points and some plastic coated target rounds for the SKS, which is Chinese, LOL!

01-25-2009, 03:39 AM	#13
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Juarez Vigilante Group Claims it Will Kill One Criminal Every 24 Hours MEXICO CITY – President Felipe Calderon's war on drug trafficking has led to his own doorstep, with the arrest of a dozen high-ranking officials with alleged ties to Mexico's most powerful drug gang, the Sinaloa Cartel. The U.S. praises Calderon for rooting out corruption at the top. But critics say the arrests reveal nothing more than a timeworn government tactic of protecting one cartel and cracking down on others. Operation Clean House comes just as the U.S. is giving Mexico its first installment of $400 million in equipment and technology to fight drugs. Most will go to a beefed-up federal police agency run by the same people whose top aides have been arrested as alleged Sinaloa spies. "If there is anything worse than a corrupt and ill-equipped cop, it is a corrupt and well-equipped cop," said criminal justice expert Jorge Chabat, who studies the drug trade. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090124/...tel_in_control