Sitchin is illuminati and a disinformant

[ChristinCP]

I used to think Zechariah Sitchin's work was the best thing since sliced bread. After seeing the Camelot interview talking about his visits with the Vatican, I began to sit on the fence...namely, because I could not ever figure out how his work fit in with the existence of Atlantis.

I was guided to this interview with a woman calling herself Arizona Wilder, previously known as Jennifer Greene. She is an illuminati insider who was interviewed by David Icke back in the late 90's. The following clip is the section of this interview where she talks about seeing Sitchin at various illuminati rituals...

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pTz0OJoMumI

[Doom]

why start a new thread when there is already one about Sitchin on the first page of this forum and all the same information has already been presented.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=5976

[ChristinCP]

I didn't realize this video was already posted. My apologies for the overlap.

[Magii]

Originally Posted by ChristinCP

I used to think Zechariah Sitchin's work was the best thing since sliced bread.

Sitchin writes / sells books ... theres no need to call him Disinfo / Illuminati ..

all he does is tell "HIS<s>TORY"

[martina]

I also heard it here and there, but what is the truth and whats disinformation in his books. Can anybody point some? Thanks

[ChristinCP]

Originally Posted by martina

I also heard it here and there, but what is the truth and whats disinformation in his books. Can anybody point some? Thanks

I think that one would need to study and determine that for themselves. I think that the disinformation lies in taking the focus away from the reptilian faction, and placing it with the annunaki/nibiru storylines.

[THE eXchanger]

if you have NOT lived it, to know it,
then, you must miX with it, to learn it,
for, when the "good" red serpent
or, when the "good" golden dragon
come to call
will you be wise enough,
to answer the door ?

or, will you slam it in their faces ?

and, in the process,
remember this...

it is You, and, only you,
who will are the gatekeeper,
that, enables those choices,
for it is truly, a sad fact, in your world,
the earth world, the greatest water_world of all,
that, so many,
have chosen "to believe" so many things,
that are NOT real truths,
and, although, there is NOT anyone,
at this time, who is 100% accurate,
at all times, there are some who are close,
Z.Sitchin, is/and, was a man,
who was way ahead, of time,
there is duality, that runs through everything,
there is always, an "in clause", and, an "out clause",
there is free choice/and, free will,
all the way, to the end,
and, in that end,
there is simply only "new beginnings"...
there are many, who in this time,
are sharing, many things,
that they believe, are truths,
just because, you believe it to be, a truth
does NOT automatically qualify it, to be "the truth"...
time and time again,
truths are proven, to be lies,
and, lies are proven to be truths...
you can NOT label all of one type of thing, as bad
for that is the reason,
that there eXist, eXceptions to every rule,
ironically, if you believe in past_lifes,
and, past_grand_cycles,
much of what you are here to do in this now,
is, to right, the wrongs, you did,
when you were here, in those last cycles, and, times,
if you believe, you have only have exaulted lifetimes,
and, that you have only come to earth once,
and, all lifetimes, were exaulted lifetimes,
think again, as,
you would be gravely disappointed,
to know, your real truth...

for the higher you climb,
the further, that it eXists,
this, the potential, for you to fall,
and, the higher your rise,
this, the potential, for you is less likely to occur,
positive/and, negative, as, well, as neutral potential,
to just observe, eXists, in every equation,
that you will come to eXercise,
as, you make, choices,
we might point out to you,
that, all choices, are valid,
both the good ones, and, the bad ones,
for, they only prove, to create
the sum of what we call your current
"Set of Consquences"...
if you do NOT like how they sum up,
it is stricly a matter, of changing your choices,
if you do NOT like/or love your current consquences,
simply alter your choices,
so, they lead you, to the greatest of all - positive potentials

Z.Sitchin, he has written for a great many years,
and, throughout, many decades,
and, NOT all, that he has written in the past,
might be the "total truth" of this day,
the man, himself, has brought forth,
great levels of awareness, and, for the most part,
does exceedingly, "good work"...
and, has helped a great many people
to become aware, and, to do, in order to be,
who and, what they are today...

he is NOT one of the ill_uminati,
or, one of The ILLs,
he is a researcher, who does interact,
with many, different types of beings/and, people,
in order to determine,
what is worthy of him choosing to eXpress,
the who/what/where/why/when and hoW, of it all,
we should be thankful,
that one, such as him, eXists
eXamine his work,
take what works, and discard the rest...
there are many in this time,
who are doing amaSing work,
his work awakens many,
and, if it does NOT,
then, there will always be others,
whose work, will awaken those that do NOT resonate,
with his work ...
it is NOT an easy road,
that researchers choose,
but, choose it, they do,
so, they might aid / and, assist others,
who do NOT have the brilliance,
to do the research themselves,
the most powerful thing you do,
is to learn to discern/and, to learn to validate
take what works-and, discard the rest

brighest blessings
susan
the eXchanger

[unloadedgunn]

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater, Christin. Sitchin's books are full of incredible scholarship, insight, knowledge. You are right in that his research has not been applied to the obvious reptilian connection in modern (as well as ancient) times. An academician such as he, should know...not guess, but KNOW that these "gods" he has written copiously about, did NOT just decide one day "enough is enough" and fly away.

Zecharia's disinformation lies in the fact that he has not brought his research up th the present day, and talked about what the implications might be NOW, if his theories are correct.

Originally Posted by unloadedgunn

Zecharia's disinformation lies in the fact that he has not brought his research up th the present day, and talked about what the implications might be NOW, if his theories are correct.

Sure he has...

Nibiru settled into a clockwise orbit (equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth
around the Sun). Nibiru stabilized into a clockwise orbit, equal to
3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun until 10, 900 B.C.E., when
Nibiru arrived earlier, due to increasing drift from Solaris of
Uranus. Uranus' gravity sped Nibiru's orbit. As a result of this
close encounter between Nibiru and Uranus, one of Nibiru's moons,
Miranda, was captured by and became a moon of Uranus as Nibiru and
Uranus pulled at each other. From 10,000B.C.E. on, Nibiru's
revolution sped to 3.450 Earth years; which makes Nibiru's next
return 2900A.D. rather than 2012 as predicated on the earlier 3600-
year orbit

[Sitchin, Z., 2007, The End of Days, pages 315 - 317].

If your going to defend Sitchin... read what Sitchin says first...

Thanks

[Ashatav]

Well, Leo Zagami says the same (that Sitchin is illuminati desinformant) in the Project Camelot interview.

Cheerso

[Shadowstalker]

Originally Posted by ChristinCP

I think that one would need to study and determine that for themselves. I think that the disinformation lies in taking the focus away from the reptilian faction, and placing it with the annunaki/nibiru storylines.

All that means to most is that he didn't know or never believed in it. most writers only write about stuff that they have researched to there belief.

I see it this way, if we disregard the fact that one researcher didn't agree with the other then why bother, most researchers will outright debate on the other simply because they are stubborn or didn't want to do extensive research to disprove or prove it.

So in turn because we didn't see it one author, should we consider it all to be dis-info cause they all didn't get to the same conclusion?

As for being in the illuminati?
Does this truly mean that he is truly apart of it, or has he been involved to prove his particular points. Just because i was a christian at one time does not mean that I will condemn the whoever wasn't at the time. And no I am not a christian now, but am i to be judged as such today.

The best way to know about any system is to be apart of it. for whatever reason. And the best way to fix the system is to be a part of it from the inside not the outside.

[Antonia]

Who knows for sure if he is or if he isn't? But his books have certainly oppened my eyes to much of the ET experiance...from a very young age. And whether he is illumanati or not...some of his research is very credible and interesting... Some has been shown to be not so on the mark but he was the first that I know of that brought the Annanaki and Nibiru in to question and debate on a world forum so I am grateful for that...if he is illuminati...then which faction? Aren't they now split in to two fighting factions? Rothchild/Europe versus Rockerfeller/Bush?? I think he may have been present at Arizona's ritual but does that make him one of them or just an invitee who is there to see what they are capable off... maybe frighten him in to doing what he was told???

I like what Exchangers has to say on this, she always speaks wise words .... Antonia

[Shadowstalker]

Originally Posted by Antonia

Who knows for sure if he is or if he isn't? But his books have certainly oppened my eyes to much of the ET experiance...from a very young age. And whether he is illumanati or not...some of his research is very credible and interesting... Some has been shown to be not so on the mark but he was the first that I know of that brought the Annanaki and Nibiru in to question and debate on a world forum so I am grateful for that...if he is illuminati...then which faction? Aren't they now split in to two fighting factions? Rothchild/Europe versus Rockerfeller/Bush?? I think he may have been present at Arizona's ritual but does that make him one of them or just an invitee who is there to see what they are capable off... maybe frighten him in to doing what he was told???

I like what Exchangers has to say on this, she always speaks wise words .... Antonia

I'm glad some of us agree on that..

Yeo. His research is shoddy,but he has a great following from the new age crowd as they do not believe in absolutes.Therefore,they accept what they like and disregard the rest with an arbitrary and faulty logic. And guys like this never defend their views in intellectual discourse or debates. http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

[Antonia]

Originally Posted by Shadowstalker

I'm glad some of us agree on that..

Exactly... am with you here Shadowstalker...

As for the nitpicking about dicrepency with detail no one has all the exact take on translating ancient Summerian... but most of the scholers agree to most of what Sitchen's translations... his own abstract ideas of abstract theory is here and there but the general idea is ageed on by every one except the guy who set up the Sitchen is a fraud video on youtube... but then there is another video debunking this guy as not even a credible scholer of Summerian but a devout Hebrew scholar with strict Jewish religious beliefs that conflict with most of the theory of Annunaki being flesh and blood and not the "Elohem"...Hebrew Diety made of spirit in the Torah...

The main thing is.... do we believe in Nibiru and that it is returning in 2012? And if so how damaging to Earth will it's passage be this time? Bob Dean thinks we need to be concerened in his recent interview? I think Sichens affiliations with the Illumanati will be pretty irevelent if we're all sitting ten feet under water or what ever supposed to happen then? and then talking of safe places to be...does any one know if the UK and Ireland will be totally submerged ? I live in Ireland? May be I'm going of track here... but apart from South America and Mongolia where can I go?

[Shadowstalker]

Not just the water issue but earthquakes as well and volcanoes.

As for Sitchen again, like you said and to be more blunt, anyone can be debunk.

[ChristinCP]

I have read all of his books, and found the information in them to be highly valuable. However, after coming across testimonials like Arizona Wilder and Leo Zagami, I do wonder. When I posted this I was in a fit of disbelief and feeling a bit betrayed...

My main issues while studying his works were that his information never tied in with Atlantis and Lemuria, which I 100% believe to be true. That was a big point of contention for me...why didn't his research fit in with the Atlantean timelines and stories? If the Anunnaki were so pervasive and dominating, surely there would be some crossover, but there is nothing.

Now, with these "insiders" coming out with stories of seeing him at illuminati rituals, as well as the vatican instructing him to write his book "The End of Days", I think that this needs to be looked at closer. I am also aware that some people who are very "in the know", believe the whole Nibiru thing(existence of a rogue planet) to be completely untrue.

I don't know what to believe anymore regarding Sitchin. What I do know is that when you know deep down that something is true, you resonate with it, and you just know. When you're left in a state of confusion, or uncertainty, even after much pondering and deliberation...its best to leave it alone.

[Magzy]

Facts about stitchin.
1. He is a scholar and historian.
2. The vatican is a fan of his work.
3. Someone tried to kill him when he found a hidden chamber in the Giza Pyramids
4. He beleives in Planet x/Nibiru but he puts the date of arrival at somewhere in 2070 (around the same time that the Sirian High Council says)- even then, we have to be in the orbit of it's tail to get a full on blast that will cause any sort of cataclysms.
6. He beleives in an ancient annunaki UFO bases on Mt Sini & Nasca lines that were destroyed by nuclear bombs - Although he doesn't give any firm evidence of this.
7. His books are "story based" on ancient writings and mythology.

Even if he is illuminati, why would you want t care? It's only bad if you allow your thoughts to think bad of it.

We create our own reality and have the concious power to change what no longer serves our purpose (whatever our porpose might be)