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Old 03-02-2010, 09:21 PM   #1
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Why is this website and forum important? I won't go into details .. the only thing I'll say is that whenever I needed a well rounded opinion from all possible aspects on a certain subject, I posted it on this forum and the quality of the replies was always very high.. which in turn spoke that this is pretty much the only place on the internet frequented by some very advanced people.. how you behave here has many consenquences.. and I can't / won't say more on the topic

Energies have gone down over the last year or so, paradoxically for the reason that many more people have discovered this place.. and as more 'average' people join, the energies keep falling. I won't say whether its a good or bad thing as such things are relative.. I am just stating the observation.



What this place desperately needs is a wind of fresh energy, clarifying energy sweaping the satturated growing bureacracy of too many moderators, too many rules, too much political correctness and too much following of principles. The very principles which were supposed to be only a beacon of light, have enslaved both Bill & Kerry into following them blindly at all costs (at the cost of shutting down the forum over a so called 'freedom of speech') and those that have picked sides..

A wind of dark energy is needed, filled with common sense, freed of enslaving principles and guided by only one law .. do as you will.. If this website manages to get to the next point and establishes the most needed balance between light and darkness.. great things await

Part of me wants to go full out and get involved and spill out all the details of how this could work, but this is not my battle.. I can only hope this website remains what it has been .. if not .. the torch is always passed
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Old 03-02-2010, 09:23 PM   #2
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The controversy, as I can quickly gather, after my two week break from the forum, is mostly over a matter of removing content, that in Bill's, opinion, works against us all in terms of the "big picture." A decision to "pull" content should be the perogative of both of the founders. The big "thinking point" here is whether or not the founders should individually use and enforce their discernment skills. Is that loss of freedom? No, not really. Removing disinfo is a decision that is content based, not personal or political. When one founder knows not to give voice to those agents of wrong, dangerous, disinfo, they should have the right to do so. If it splits the Project into two paths, then that is the best way to Ensure free speech. A positive B and K mitosis, so to speak. This way, members can get the best of both worlds, choose what to read, but still have both founders able to express individual discernment of that most important content!
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:58 PM   #3
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The controversy, as I can quickly gather, after my two week break from the forum, is mostly over a matter of removing content, that in Bill's, opinion, works against us all in terms of the "big picture." A decision to "pull" content should be the prerogative of both of the founders. The big "thinking point" here is whether or not the founders should individually use and enforce their discernment skills. Is that loss of freedom? No, not really. Removing disinfo is a decision that is content based, not personal or political. When one founder knows not to give voice to those agents of wrong, dangerous, disinfo, they should have the right to do so. If it splits the Project into two paths, then that is the best way to Ensure free speech. A positive B and K mitosis, so to speak. This way, members can get the best of both worlds, choose what to read, but still have both founders able to express individual discernment of that most important content!
I really like what you have said Linda. I agree totally. I am an advocate of free speech and I am sure Bill is also. He did not demand the thread to be locked, he gave his own opinion. I understand his opinion, after all, we are guests here, it is not a public forum.

We should be able to say why we are in disagreement with a certain philosophy. Personally, I see the thuban material existing to confuse and divide. It is not the first time I come across that kind of perception and I find it hilarious sometimes. But it's only my opinion. If others see something interesting in this, then it should be let free. As our disagreement regarding the material.

Sometimes, there are as many opinion as the totality of people in a group. We just have to learn how to give our opinion without reacting to others opinions like if it were attack on our beleif system. After all, the thuban material is nearly all about beliefs and perception.

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Old 03-03-2010, 12:25 AM   #4
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The controversy, as I can quickly gather, after my two week break from the forum, is mostly over a matter of removing content, that in Bill's, opinion, works against us all in terms of the "big picture." A decision to "pull" content should be the perogative of both of the founders. The big "thinking point" here is whether or not the founders should individually use and enforce their discernment skills. Is that loss of freedom? No, not really.

Everything you said was perfect until we reached this point where your dangerous, disinformation starts.

Removing disinfo (who said it was disinfo? You make this sound as if it is a matter of fact but it's not so you are misleading your reader) is a decision that is content based, not personal or political. When one founder knows not to give voice to those agents of wrong, dangerous, disinfo, (now we move from just disinfo to wrong, dangerous, disinfo. Can you explain how the information you are referring to is dangerous?) they should have the right to do so. If it splits the Project into two paths, then that is the best way to Ensure free speech. A positive B and K mitosis, so to speak. This way, members can get the best of both worlds, choose what to read, but still have both founders able to express individual discernment of that most important content!
Please be a little more careful of the language you use. Is it necessary to call someones information that they have spend valuable time developing, as dis-info and dangerous? Why would you say this unless you wish to push an agenda or have proof to the contrary.

Do you have proof?

Please don't 'protect' me or this forum from 'dangerous information'. We are quite capable of making that determination on our own.


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Old 03-03-2010, 01:00 AM   #5
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The inner struggles reflect our outer struggles with each other. I think it is a very difficult job to separate yourself from the information and people you interview. It can have an effect on both a positive and a negative level. As project avalon and project camelot are frequented by so many cyber users across the globe we will get smother with all kinds of energy. It is up to each one of us to maintain our composure amid the storm.
The quality of information posted on this forum is overall very high. We are all contributors , lets continue adding positive value to this forum with our participation in it. Those that have hidden agendas will be affected by the contagious virus of respect and love that we all share for one another irregardless of differences of opinions, backgrounds , believes, philosophies, religions,etc..

Blessings to all...
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Old 03-03-2010, 07:00 AM   #6
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"The quality of information posted on this forum is overall very high. We are all contributors , lets continue adding positive value to this forum with our participation in it. Those that have hidden agendas will be affected by the contagious virus of respect and love that we all share for one another irregardless of differences of opinions, backgrounds , believes, philosophies, religions,etc.."

HERE HERE, Frank! I appreciate your putting it so well .... gratitude, respect and love ..... REGARDLESS ...... that's the "ticket" imo!!

love,
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Old 03-03-2010, 07:14 AM   #7
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I see the Thuban stuff as disinfo because it is just too self-centered to make any sense. Read the first post and tell me that it's not something out of an erotic novel.

Anyone with a computer and a creative mind can type up stuff and claim to be from another galaxy. That's the problem with this site. We're giving too much of our energy to such things and we're not getting physical proof that these entities are real.

Call me close-minded if you want but at least I took the time to read some of that forum.
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:28 PM   #8
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Well, I for one do not think I am special or gifted. My life has been a struggle for as far back as I can see. I try to remember that my thoughts are attracting my reality. Still I struggle.

Maybe a post like this, in and of itself, lowers the overall vibration, but average or not, I am hear to learn a better way. I didn't grow up around people like in this forum. This is my opportunity to learn and hope a better understanding rubs off onto me in the process.

The Chosen, your words have made me feel a little unwelcome in the presents of others that are further along than me. I know I am responsible for how I choose to feel. I'm just giving you my initial response.
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:41 PM   #9
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Instead: At one point or another each one of us gets to a situation where they enter a group where everyone else seems to be further along the path, be it a taxi driver group a meditation group or a soccer team.. If you have been truly unwelcome you would never be allowed to join this place in the first place.. so I wouldn't make much of it and use the most of it.

This place remains 'the' best place on the internet for an overview of all these fields where you can find many people willing to help you send you in the direction of your interest.
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:44 PM   #10
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Well, I for one do not think I am special or gifted. My life has been a struggle for as far back as I can see. I try to remember that my thoughts are attracting my reality. Still I struggle.

Maybe a post like this, in and of itself, lowers the overall vibration, but average or not, I am hear to learn a better way. I didn't grow up around people like in this forum. This is my opportunity to learn and hope a better understanding rubs off onto me in the process.

The Chosen, your words have made me feel a little unwelcome in the presents of others that are further along than me. I know I am responsible for how I choose to feel. I'm just giving you my initial response.
Very well said Instead. I've been on this path for about 25 years this lifetime and I think I have quite a bit to contribute to this forum but when I joined I didn't give myself an egotistical User ID - I'm just Peter

And I welcome posts from anyone who wants to learn because, like many people, I hope that something I may say will point someone in the right direction for their own spiritual journey and something they say might help me.

We're all learning something here - every single one of us
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Old 03-03-2010, 10:03 AM   #11
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Please be a little more careful of the language you use. Is it necessary to call someones information that they have spend valuable time developing, as dis-info and dangerous? Why would you say this unless you wish to push an agenda or have proof to the contrary.

Do you have proof?

Please don't 'protect' me or this forum from 'dangerous information'. We are quite capable of making that determination on our own.


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I am not pushing any agenda, nor am I trying to protect you. You have the right to read anything that Project Avalon contains. You have the right to your opinion, and I am not asking you to prove what you know. Maybe what you know, and what I know, are different. I respectfully reserve the right to say that. Now, if Bill Ryan is questioning content, he has that right as this is his forum. As to proof, I may decide to go through, post by post, and back up my statements. It's so obvious, though, that I am not motivated to use up forum space to do that, really. Again, obvious in my opinion. I respect your right to disagree. Linda
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:44 PM   #12
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I am not pushing any agenda, nor am I trying to protect you. You have the right to read anything that Project Avalon contains. You have the right to your opinion, and I am not asking you to prove what you know. Maybe what you know, and what I know, are different. I respectfully reserve the right to say that. Now, if Bill Ryan is questioning content, he has that right as this is his forum. As to proof, I may decide to go through, post by post, and back up my statements. It's so obvious, though, that I am not motivated to use up forum space to do that, really. Again, obvious in my opinion. I respect your right to disagree. Linda
Dear Linda, the burden of proof does not fall on your shoulder, it is a misleading rhetoric. If I claim that there is 43 dimensions and 91 Universes all fold into one sphere of consciousness and then say prove to me that what I say is false. It is rather illogical, because it is mine to prove that what I say is true. Incredible claim ask for incredible facts said Carl Sagan.

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Old 03-03-2010, 03:48 PM   #13
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Dear Linda, the burden of proof does not fall on your shoulder, it is a misleading rhetoric. If I claim that there is 43 dimensions and 91 Universes all fold into one sphere of consciousness and then say prove to me that what I say is false. It is rather illogical, because it is mine to prove that what I say is true. Incredible claim ask for incredible facts said Carl Sagan.

Namaste, Steven
Steven you missed the point as you do many times.

Lindas' assertions that the information was 'wrong, dis-info and dangerous' was non other than a value judgment placed upon a post by 'her' evaluation. ( so if I show up wearing a blue dress and she wishes for it to be pink... then I must change my dress to suit her needs)

I simply pointed out to her that it was 'her value' judgment and did not reflect the values of all participants.

I have no 'burden of proof' to you, Linda or anyone else about what I choose to post or not to post, or what I choose to believe or not believe.

If this is position that the owners of Avalon are angling for? Hmmmm... I wonder.

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Old 03-03-2010, 03:49 PM   #14
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THE FUTURE BELONGS TO ALL OF US

not, just some of us !!!

the sooner we realise that, the better
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Old 03-03-2010, 03:50 PM   #15
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the time for fan clubs - is OVER !!!
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:02 PM   #16
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WORSHIP OTHERS ONLY TO THE DEGREE THEY WORSHIP YOU !!!

then, and, only then, will 'real' eXchanges in this world take place

iT iS a TiME, to even many fields

quite frankly, we are sick and tired
of actor/actress - who make millions, and, millions of dollars
of sports figures - who make millions, and, millions of dollars
and, of politicans - who get pensions, for life, for one term of service

it is ALL INSANE

we need to stop supporting the parts of the world
that operate like this

WE NEED TO ALL START TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER

and, WE ALL need to do that NOW !!!

if we had ever thought,
we would put in tons and tons of energy
in the way of posts to a posting board
and, NOT get so much, as, a thank you for doing so
and, to be considered part of someone else's fan club
a little nothing/or a little no-body
quite frankly, we would NOT of done it

(esp; the rule - put in long after many of us,
had put in a lot of effort)

that you believe-YOU OWN OUR WORK

that part, is literally disguisting !!!

YOU DO NOT OWN US, or OWN any of US
and, if you take our work - and, you publish it
it better be done, with actual acknowledgements,
and, CREDITS !!!

OTHERWISE, you are nothing more, than two thieves

Since, the original goal,
was supposed to be about ALL OF US,
and, the sooner, some of 'the us' get it/and, get that
the sooner, we ALL will actually accomplish
many things of great value !!!

let's face it, would anyone put up a lot of their work
and, then, do it, so, bill and kerry own it ???

we think NOT !!!

that rule was NOT in force, at the time, these sites were opened
it is amongst the one thing, that really irks me right now
and, there must be SOME sort of clarification made to that

how on earth, could you take my words/or someone else's words
and, publish them, as, your own words ???

that is NOT operating in truth
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Steven you missed the point as you do many times.

I could say the same about you Bigmo...

Lindas' assertions that the information was 'wrong, dis-info and dangerous' was non other than a value judgment placed upon a post by 'her' evaluation.

Of course it was her opinion. And her opinion does not need to be proven as you ask her to do so.

I simply pointed out to her that it was 'her value' judgment and did not reflect the values of all participants.

Of course, but it is the perception of many participants and as its value to be mentionned.

I have no 'burden of proof' to you, Linda or anyone else about what I choose to post or not to post, or what I choose to believe or not believe.

Not you, but Abraxassinas does.

If this is position that the owners of Avalon are angling for? Hmmmm... I wonder.

I hope... If not, any kind of disinfos could be bought as truth and the misleading, disruption and conflicts simply increases...

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Old 03-03-2010, 04:14 PM   #18
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hehe... Peace to you Steven
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:15 PM   #19
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A rhyme comes to mind:

To live in Heaven with the saints...oh that will be glory.
To live on Earth among the saints...now that's another story.

My thought:

When one stands upon a mountain-top...spirituality is easy.
When one argues on the internet...spirituality is difficult.

Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:29 PM   #20
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The Chosen....Tell Me, do you consider Yourself above average?
Whatever criteria You are using?
If it's ego...well Your name says a lot.
How do?
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hobbit: I don't want to answer that question or take the discussion in that direction
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hobbit: I don't want to answer that question or take the discussion in that direction
I suppose a little hobbit is deemed too low down , or sub average???
Sorry, I don't see any difference in anyone, we are all one, it's just that we have forgotten so.
You're the one who proclaimed some sort of superiority and that others are below average, so sorry if you don't want to discusss it , but I will, and recognise the multitude of talents that all the posters on here have, and do not appreciate any talk of superiority by anyone, it's a short step to the nazi gas chambers with that sort of thinking.
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so sorry if you don't want to discusss it , but I will
Classic
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JesterTerrestial,
I consider the chosen ones post to be a CLASSIC.
A classic of division, they drees people up in silly uniforms to make them feel special....superior.
That post is everything that is wrong on here, cliques and little private clubs, the whole stupid site went to pay only???
You may as well form another branch of the masons if You follow that thinking.
There should be no division, nobody strutting about thinking their some form of film star or something, thats possibly what Kerry has fallen for?
Some pretty face telling Her She can be a star?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Z8m...eature=related
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JesterTerrestial,
I consider the chosen ones post to be a CLASSIC.
A classic of division, they drees people up in silly uniforms to make them feel special....superior.
That post is everything that is wrong on here, cliques and little private clubs, the whole stupid site went to pay only???
You may as well form another branch of the masons if You follow that thinking.
There should be no division, nobody strutting about thinking their some form of film star or something, thats possibly what Kerry has fallen for?
Some pretty face telling Her She can be a star?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Z8m...eature=related
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Hobbit, I do agree that we all have a role to play. Its obvious to me because here we are. Going pay was not such a bad idea IMHO because the truth sayers are a minority and somehow we had to guide the REVOLUTION that AVALON IS! Did you see the crap that was posted...what about after the subscription ended...look at the wonderful posts that were added. I saw a few more of those today.

The team has done a great job for the most part minus a few little bumps here and there. But com on look what were doing! Look what we have been up against! I do not think Kerry is falling for anything. I have not met her or Bill in person but have a great deal of respect for them both. The work they did seriously saved my life! I was a lost soul and the connections that have happened since I joined this amazing virtual community are "out of this world"! The next phase is gonna be intense!

We are all important! Your special, just like everyone else!
However some folks seem to have a great responsibility.

I do believe it is way past time to polarize our intentions positive. No time to start like now. We must rise above and work as a team to be able to functionaly help humanity into the golden age! peace jt!

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