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ya man i hear ya. completely disillusioned by avalon today. camelot too. bill shoulda logged in and said his piece. but dang, he's a human too. so i love him for that but will keep my eyes wide open. but nice to be blind to pc for change hunh |
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Steven Greer has his witnesses promise to testify to Congress (to anyone) as to what they know. You have infered, with your credibility, what you said is true about him. Can your "witnesses" be so bold? If not why? Is it not time for the bold to step into the light? Or are you not so sure of your point of view? |
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Hello bill , first i would like to say thanks for the sterling work you are doing , its very much appreciated . I check the camelot blog everyday .
Ive got a few questions for you . Firstly do you know where to find accurate information on the annunaki and the Draco ? And secondly , whats your opinion about 2012 ? Ive read the 'Ra Material' ( which changed my life in a positive way) and done quite a bit of digging on the subject . There seems to be 2 schools of thought though . Some like David Wilcock suggest it will be a dramatic shift to 4D and others say it will be very gradual . I have found that even the law of one has a contradiction as it says 3D entities are not compatible with 4th Density and 2011/12 is the 4D date but it also says that it could take between 100 - 700 years for the transition ? Whats your opinion ? Anyway , thanks again for everything your doing . John |
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Hi Bill,
I was thinking it would be a good idea to have a 'recommended books page' on your site. Also, what would your top 3 books be to read? Thank you. Lily |
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Can we just loosen up. alliens are coming.. Are they positive or are they negative? Dr Greer tries to convince us that they are positive,on the other hand , Bill and Kerrie try to convince us that not all of them are positive.Furthermore,Alex Collier wants us to define how we want to be mentored.So, we are engaging in pointless dissusions and debates, being destracted what really matters.Do you see what is going on? I do not need mentor, and do not need Kerrie and Bill fears. Period. Can Avalon be a foundation for inspiration, creativity, sense of humor ,and freedom. Can we really be free from any influences?
Can we really laugh ? Can we really see the truth? It is dangerous when we see authority for the truth rather than the truth for authority |
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It is dangerous when we see authority for the truth rather than the truth for authority.
Can i use this when ever I want to? This is most truth i've ever seen here! |
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Firstly, wow, what a thread, some great stuff here.
Bill, I have listened to your interview "Freedom Central" and found it amazing, and agree with your conclusions. It's a shame you don't take more of an active roll in the interviews on Camelot, because you are a very eloquent and concise speaker it's easy to follow what you are saying and your meaning. I am currently reading the Dane Tops transcript, and to be honest am blown away with it..... My question is (not necessarily to Bill, open to everyone), where to take this personally, how to start learning this stuff, who to trust with it, and what to read and in what order? Mods... Not sure but perhaps this thread should be pinned Last edited by solent; 12-17-2009 at 10:53 AM. |
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Maybe this thread could get locked for posting until Bill has the time to answer...and than opened again....
Give him some room to "breathe" |
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Hello, All:
Apologies for not getting to the forum yesterday. I'm working my way through all questions in sequence. Easy to miss something, so please re-post if necessary. Again, some replies have been brief - I hope you can understand - and I'm using this as an opportunity not just to clarify with a brief 'yes' or 'no, sorry', but where I can with a little added value and context. Thanks also to all those coming back (or who have been there all the time!) saying hello personally here. Very much appreciated. Quote:
It's unlikely that we'd be shot in the back of the head (messy and attracts way too much attention) or suicided (the pledge handles that). If I were a PTB Camelot enemy I'd create problems for us that get us fighting with each other terminally or unable to continue our work in other ways (logistical, financial, legal) that look like normal human stuff that 'just happens'. We have a bit of a back-up team and massive general support among hundreds of close allies who have got to know us well - but no understudies as such. We could each continue Camelot alone - so there is reduncancy there, like a two-engined plane able to cross the Atlantic on one if needed. But at the moment if we were both disabled I think the whole project would be archived. Quote:
The presence of Indigos and Crystals is one of the most important reasons why I do not believe any catastrophe or wipe-out will occur. If that was predestined or unavoidable or sitting there on some fixed future, they wouldn't have come here. (And neither would I, or probably any of you.) I talk about this in my Freedom Central interview. 2) Tsarion: yes, would love to talk with him. Quote:
James is a Camelot follower like many are out there. We have a huge invisible audience (a million visitors every 30-33 days) and only hear regularly from a very small % of these people. That blows us away too when we realize who's following and appreciating our work. Quote:
http://projectcamelot.org/cooper.html We do know that he had inflated his past and his credentials (John Lear and Rich Dolan talk about this) but that doesn't minimize his importance in the alternative community. I read Beyond A Pale Horse when it came out in late 1991 (I'd pre-ordered a copy and I remember my excitement the day it arrived, just before Christmas) and Cooper was instrumental in shaping my thinking at that time when I was in my late 30s. Don't quote this out of context (please!), but depending on what you mean by "mystery school" I'd say that yes, Jordan is at his core a mystery school researcher and that he would say that there was a lot of truth and wisdom in ancient philosophy and metaphysics that has since been twisted by the Dark Side and used for its own ends. An interesting snippet: Earlier I was asked a question about Hidden Hand's information, and I replied that we'd been contacted by someone who told us that HH's information was 90% accurate but deliberately contained 10% falsehoods. This person who contacted us belonged to a group we'd never heard of before and which I can find no information about on the internet. He was 100% a good guy and we both liked him a lot. He took us out to dinner and told us that he was breaking ranks as he was "forbidden" (he stressed that twice) to talk to outsiders. The reason he respected our work was because he recognized that we were genuine truth-seekers and didn't seek to make any money out of the information we learned. He was able to get away with his code break because he was very senior in his group and he took full responsibility for his decision to talk to us. He described his group as a [my paraphrase] an ancient but still-active "benevolent counterpart of the Illuminati". He confirmed that not all the information was lost in the Great Library of Alexandria and that in fact much of it was still intact. I can't tell you how much this intrigued me. This encounter (which was not recorded) was beyond fascinating and this is one of many projects we're following up. The relevance of this anecdote is that not everyone associated with "mystery schools" is bad. The following questions from The Guy are so excellent, focused and intelligent that I've largely kept them intact and not abbreviated them. (Please no-one else take this as a personal slight!) Quote:
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The purpose is to free the person as a spiritual being... and then the interesting abilities sometimes come as a by-product. The best analogy is rehabilitating someone who's been in a wheelchair for years and can now walk once more. That doesn't mean that can run, do gymnastics, or climb mountains. That takes separate training. But the potential is there once the problem is handled that stopped him from being able to use his legs. Quote:
Meanwhile, some of his reported information - as best as I can see - and I may be wrong - comes from the internet and is relayed information from elsewhere. It SEEMS to be a real grab-bag of material that's quite complex and needs care to analyze. We have not spent very much time doing this so are not experts in his story or his information. That's an important caveat. But: it's also hard to understand how (if he was as close to this information as he states) he would be permitted to talk freely. Of course, I do know that people also say that about Camelot and about people like Bill Deagle. The short answer is my first - that we have not met him and would be interested to do so. Quote:
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I think it's an increase of consciousness that's finally intended (and may or may not succeed, but it stands a good chance) of breaking the chains of the controllers. Let me add a little: 1) Are we supposed to experience "growing pains" with negative events? Yes - I think that's part of it (remember that we're all on a training course here) 2) Are we supposed to recognize the bs for what it is and rise above it? Certainly - part of it also 3) Are we supposed to transition to another state of being (maybe not physical), etc? Not in my opinion. Growth and awareness, absolutely. Breaking through into a new way of being responsible Stewards of Planet Earth (and of one another) - absolutely. Extraordinary personal experiences by the ton, absolutely. But Ascension, Transcendence, Evolving to the 4th or 5th dimensions or densities (whatever that means) - that makes no sense to me in any way. No personal offense is meant to anyone here for whom those ideas are valuable and dear. In my personal opinion, the 'Ascension' myth is a new New Age religious belief system that is rather close to the "God will save us all" belief. "God" doesn't do that (take a look at history) and neither will the ETs, Angels, or anyone else. We all signed up for this incarnation, knowing that it was going to be a wild ride, and we have to handle it on our own (albelt with quiet and subtle mentoring, coaching and software upgrading from ET friends, and some ETs incarnated amongst us - for sure). On 1 Jan, 2013, we'll still have to be handling the problems of the world, which will be very real, solid and problematic still. But we may be past the worst of it by then and many things might look more hopeful. There's a huge amount of rebuilding to do. Has anyone here ever spent time in Africa or India? I've traveled in Africa a lot. (I spent much of the first 8 years of my life there, and have returned frequently.) Tell those guys that they're going to ascend out of their poverty and disease and hunger. We need to take responsibility for the mess we have all created in this world. There's a VAST clean-up to do that may take a generation or more. This is where the real learning and growth will take place. We all need to face what we have done. So: I suspect we've all got our own work cut out for quite a while yet. The Indigos are still coming into the world - they chose their timing perfectly, and won't have missed any party. The idea, though, is to make it POSSIBLE for the reversal of geopolitical trends to start. I believe this possibility is opening now. Very best wishes - B Last edited by Bill Ryan; 12-17-2009 at 04:40 PM. |
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wow, very well said Bill!
I totally agree with the need for taking responsibility for ALL of our actions. the little voice inside me has repeatedly been saying just that! thank you so much for sharing! |
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Thanks for this statement...and btw, sorry for not saying hello timely So now...hello Bill , thanks for your work! with respect malletzky |
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Hi Bill, I'm new here so um where's the bathroom?
Can I get an ashtray over here...geez Did you get a new hat? |
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The limited view that God is external and sitting on a throne to save us all is not a realistic perspective. God is in us all. For God to save us we must save ourselves. Dimensional realities are very real and part of Quantum physics. This is real science and not a belief system.
Matter is at a very low vibrational state. Other transcendental realities exist in higher frequencies of energy vibration. Physical reality is even more real in higher densities. To not understand this concept is only limiting your potential. Regardless of what you believe is true, there are karma circumstances to overall behavior patterns of this race. It is not about choosing sides, creating cults, and dwelling in the muck. Duality, polarity, and everything in between are universal reactions to movement of your spiritual expression. You are alive and you feel everything. And if comprehension of feeling is ignored relying on only processed analytical information, then you are missing the whole aspect of existence. It is the combination of spirit, body, and mind that gives you balance on a real true comprehension of what is happening. Every person is on a different level of discovering the aspects of the Creator within all of us. Some do not comprehend ascension. Others do. But Ascension is a natural process of spiritual development lifetime after lifetime. You are on a journey. Whether you choose to believe your path or not is your right. But either way, you will have to deal with the universal laws. These universal laws apply to everyone regardless of belief. Illusion or non-illusion does not apply to energy transformation from one form to another. God is within us and all around. A camera angle is still a camera angle. But the overall production of the movie has its different actors. And each actor plays a specific role. When the movie is finished - Ascension - Now it is time to make another movie. You can look at ascension as a collection of wisdom. The more love you share the more light energy you collect. The closer you get to God the more of this Source information becomes a part of you. It is all our inheritance to fulfill our higher expression of the source in this low 3d reality. But is also your right to hide in the shadows and stay away from the light. For those of you that do not want to ascend will be left behind of your own choosing to work out your karma. And this is also respected. However, whether you like it or not, Earth is in pain and wants to ascend away from the abuse that has been laid upon her. If you want to be a part of her, then you must resonate with her. This is also the part of the ascension. If you choose to dwell in darkness, then the darkness you shall have. Either way, there are many perspectives of ascension that can fit into your conception. If you are an earth bound adventurous type that refuses to believe in spirituality then enjoy your adventures from that perspective. But keep in mind, Indiana Jones eventually realizes that love is the most important thing in the end. In conclusion Ascension is a process not an event. Last edited by Surial; 12-17-2009 at 06:21 PM. |
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When I was 20 I spent a year in Sudan as a volunteer Electrical Engineering and English teacher in Wad Medani. It was during that time that I saw and experienced things that gave me my moral compass for the rest of my life. I saw children with nothing, absolutely nothing, no parents, no clothes, no food. I saw the hovels of poor families, erected to lean against the walls surrounding the palatial houses of families that had comparatively everything they could need in that environment - yet those relatively rich did nothing for their obviously poor countrymen. These experiences culminated as the trigger in my life to search for the truth of what we really are, and what we really could be. Pan. |
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Those have been my same thoughts for the last few years, that we are not facing a mass destruction type of event because all those 'indigos' wouldn't come here just to be obliterated by some tsunami wave. (I've actually been repeatedly told in the astral that it is only because of them/us that such a tsunami is not happening)
But I disagree on the direction this will take. I expect in few years the DNA of our body computers to mutate to a sufficient degree so the powers such as telekinesis/levitation/matter manipulation can be activated.. which is what passing into so called 4th density is all about. This is when the indigos step in with the 'know how' of using those powers in a creative manner. Having indigos in a world where these powers remain inactive is like (using Bill's setting) having the best dancers in the world incarnating on a planet where people are born paralyzed from the weist down. They would never volunteer for such a waste of ability when they could be expressing their full potential elsewhere, the same as they most likely wouldn't voluntter for a tsunami future.. In such a case a relatively much less involved souls would be coming in, ones with experience mainly in the physical 3D world... which is clearly not the case. All the indigos seem to be mainly adept at manipulating energy and are actually having huge problems with physical existence Still I am actively preparing in 3D for a mass exctinction event. There is nothing to say that they all incarnated with the knowledge that only 5% will 'survive'... just because death means nothing to an advanced soul.. and 5% is more than a good reason if that means the evolution of humanity onto the next stage. And of course, we all know spectacular plans can fail spectacularly.. and that includes the plan for human evolution. I am sorry for this interruption. I know this is a topic only for questions but I felt the need to share my thoughts on this subject (ascension and what it means) which is I feel THE most important subject we need to be dealing for the next few years. |
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Bill thank you for sharing your wisdom. A few years back I met some white children from south Africa who wanted to abolish apartheid with all their hearts, I was so impressed with the incredible maturity they posses at their young age. The rest as they say is history, Nelson Mandela became the president and forgave all of the oppressors. I am a Father of 4 children and I hope that like the children from south Africa that I met so long ago they inherit a heart of compassion to help our fellow man. This mess we have created will take at least a couple of hundred years to clean up. Is a fantasy to think that these problems will resolve themselves without us earthlings taken responsibility to recreate our world. I am sure that like planet earth there are plenty of planets who need help ,in the future it will be our turn to return the favor to our neighbors in the stars
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[ It is dangerous when we see authority for the truth rather than the truth for authority.
Can i use this when ever I want to? This is most truth i've ever seen here!] Yes.You can use it. I like this one too because it is very empowering. We give our power away on a regular basis. |
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Hi Bill, on behalf of many others like myself, who have followed your answers with great interest, but have not participated (as yet) in this thread, may I thank you for your honest, simple and well thought out answers. You help shine a guiding light down some dark and scary alleyways. That alone must earn you some brownie points.
May you and Kerry have a happy and healthy future ahead of you - and know that your work is of immense value in helping people become aware. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. |
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Any thoughts you could share with us on Val Valerian? Would you consider an interview at any time?
Also, wondered if you had read the fascinating information (available in free PDF format online) contact from planet koldas - carl von vleirden/wendelle stevens? What do you make of the Billy Meir case? I find it one of the most credible. (Apart from the comments he made on other contactee's such as Alex Collier).. Any new interviews planned with Alex? I know you anserwed that already but I think there are many people that would love that interview.. :-) Many thanks..... |
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I'm glad I wasn't his wife or child, but I'm sure glad he was there to help me in 1948. Bible says not to be unequally yoked...perhaps his first wives and his children did not do the spiritual clearing work he did and so remained a bit more fixed in 3D. I know it's not that simple, but wanted to add some balance. |
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