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Raven Rock Mountain Complex
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The Raven Rock Mountain Complex (RRMC) is a United States government facility on Raven Rock, a mountain in the U.S. state of Pennsylvania. It is located about 14 km (8.7 miles) east of Waynesboro, Pennsylvania, and 10 km (6.2 miles) north-northeast of Camp David, Maryland. It is also called the Raven Rock Military Complex, or simply Site R.

Other designations and nicknames include "The Rock", NMCC-R (National Military Command Center Reservation), ANMCC (Alternate National Military Command Center), AJCC (Alternate Joint Communications Center), "Backup Pentagon", or "Site RT"; the latter refers to the vast array of communication towers and equipment atop the mountain. Colloquially, the facility is known as the Underground Pentagon.

At the RRMC, the Defense Information Systems Agency computer operations staff provides computer services to the National Command Authority, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Office of the Secretary of Defense and other United States Department of Defense agencies.

Its largest tenant is not the Defense Threat Reduction Agency;[1] the largest tenants are the ANMCC (Alternate National Military Command Center), JSSC (Joint Staff Support Center), OSD/DHS (Office of the Secretary of Defense/Department of Homeland Security), and the 114th Signal Battalion. RRMC also houses the emergency operations centers for the Army, Navy and Air Force.

The facility runs more than 38 communications systems for its users.

Many of the facility's activities are classified, and distribution of most unclassified information about the facility is discouraged by the government.[1]

[Dantheman62]

The first rule of Site R is: You do not talk about Site R. Or, as the security guidance about the Pentagon’s nuclear war bunker (AKA Raven Rock Mountain Complex, or RRMC), states: “Avoid conversations about RRMC with unauthorized personnel.” The other two rules of Site R are: “Do not confirm or deny information about RRMC to reporters or radio stations,” and “Do not post RRMC information on Internet web pages.”

We might suggest a fourth rule: do not send information about RRMC to reporters working on a travelogue about nuclear weapons.

But our interest in Site R was piqued by an announcement that was posted in 2006 on the website of the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA), the Pentagon’s nonproliferation agency:

Raven Rock Military Complex The Hardened Facilities Managers Conference, co-sponsored by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency and the Raven Rock Military Complex*, will focus on priority issues of both countering enemy underground facilities (UGF) and protecting friendly underground facilities. Managers of U.S. operated UGF's will provide overviews of their corresponding complexes. In addition technical and vulnerability issues will be discussed and site tours will be provided.

If Site R is so gosh-darn secret, why did they post this notice, and more importantly, how did we get our grubby little mitts on documents relating to this conference, including an an informational overview, a “Welcome Package", an agenda, security guidance for attendees, and a schedule of shuttles to Site R (which we are not posting)? Cunning subterfuge? A Deep Throat inside the mountain? A Freedom of Information Act request?

Sadly, we just asked for them. We e-mailed the contact person for the conference, provided our affiliation, and asked for the conference materials. We did say “please."

All of the information was unclassified, and it provides for us at least a small window into what goes on underground at Site R.

Within a few days, the Defense Threat Reduction Agency had scrubbed the conference posting from their website, and we were informed that the event most certainly was not open to the press. Somewhere inside the halls of DTRA, we suspect someone was being reprimanded.

For all the secrecy surrounding Site R, the mountain facility suffers from the obvious flaw of just about every bunker out there: Its existence isn’t secret, and in the era of Google Earth, it really can’t be kept secret. And if it’s not a secret, what good is it? A modern thermonuclear warhead would destroy it in an instant. In fact, Site R was almost mothballed prior to September 11. As we learned from our travels, bunkers are typically obsolete the day they open their doors, but they live off the inertia of bureaucracy.

The terrorist attacks of 2001 gave new purpose to the Cold War bunker in Pennsylvania, known as the "underground Pentagon," first as the alleged undisclosed location of Vice President Dick Cheney, and then as a base for revitalized “continuity of government” operations.

So, what do bunker managers do at meetings like this? Judging from the conference agenda, they look for things to worry about: pandemics; electromagnetic pulse weapons; and biological attacks. But as one item on the agenda hinted — “Tunnel Collapse Briefing” — possibly the most dangerous threat to life in the bunker is the bunker itself.

Site R is not secret, but details of what's inside are hidden from view. The agenda provides some hints about what's there: a presidential weather support facility (presumably for Air Force One) and construction related to electromagnetic pulse protection. But perhaps the most eye-catching item on the agenda is a “Gorilla Rock Update” provided by miners, suggesting that there is new construction going on inside the mountain.

http://blog.wired.com/defense/2008/0...o-visit-a.html

[Dantheman62]

Shanksville to waynesboro is 102 miles by car


Site R near Waynesboro is the P-40 prohibited area on the Washington FAA VFR sectional

Flight 93 was shot down near sommerset which is on the Detroit
FAA VFR sectional

boeing 757-200 cruising speed is 460 kts

Flight time from Sommerset to P-40 would be 10-20 minutes
(just an eyeball guesstimate without actually plotting
distances and flight times.) The shoot down must have been
based on flight path and failure to respond to radio calls
rather than actual airspace incursion

Flight 93 was not operating in a prohibited area,
a restricted area, or a military operations area at the
time it crashed. Flight 93 may have violated Pittsburg Terminal Control Area airpace. The actual flightpath would need to be plotted to determine this. Busting a TCA usually will not get you shot down
though it might get you an F-16 or a Blackhawk escort. Flight 93 turned its mode C transponder off at
9:40 AM. This would also warrant special attention as radar contact is then lost. Air traffic control must
then rely on primary radar returns for tracking.

I was a pilot for ten years, and a flight instructor for five years
with over seven hundred hours of flight time in my log book.

You may view the appropriate sectionals here
http://skyvector.com/

[alyscat]

According to a friend of mine, whose son-in-law was "active" in the revolt on the plane, and who has had access to some of the data we haven't, such as recordings of what went on in the cockpit, the passengers themselves took down the plane.

Now, a decision might have been made to shoot it down, but ultimately it was not that which took down the plane.

[Northern Boy]

I don`t think that a plane even went down there as no wreckage or very little was recovered and the coroner who attended said he stopped doing his job 10 minutes after he got there saying there were no bodies and no blood. where flight 93 went down is unknown but some reports say it was ditched in the Atlantic