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11-18-2008, 01:23 AM | #51 |
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Re: Why I am gladly a Luciferian.
Wow this guys got a hell of alot of stick for simply posting his views....
I've met a few people who claim to be ''Luciferian'' before, and this guy really does have a good grasp on what it really is, and it's true that it can be very rewarding, but sure, at what cost? I dabble in the occult from time to time (sorry fundamentalists), but anyone who participates is aware of the rule of three, which is what I don't understand about these satanists and black magicians, the rule of three is one of the most simple and easy to follow rules of the 'occult', yet so many are so quick to perform self-serving rituals and spells to harm others freewill, things like this will certainly damage you spiritually, mentally and sometimes even physically. Nonetheless, I have done some things that some may consider to be negative or self-serving (but nothin' my spirit couldn't kill) and if one is willing to sacrifice certain things in order to 'better' themselves then so be it, as you harm none, do as you will. Though the starter of this thread may be very good at explaining his/her beliefs I urge people to learn about the occult world before blindly worshipping Lucifer, I have met people who truly regret participating in such things, believing that it is too late for them to be saved (never too late) and that certain things have left their life, never to return. The people I'm talking of are only a very small minority, I still talk to people today who worship these 'gods' and still in their hearts believe they are doing the right thing, I don't believe it is a question of right or wrong. The path of dark magic is a very easy one to get into, but extremely difficult to leave. A debatable analogy of the subject would be that of different kinds of drug users, one type being those who choose to use certain drugs to better themselves creativley and spiritually, the other type being those who will do almost anything they can in order to escape this challenging (but necessery) reality. The end decision is on you, but don't be fooled into believing that Lucifer is the only way to better yourself, this is a complete lie. The path of light may seem distant and ineffective at times but I truly believe that this is the path to true spiritual enlightenment, Lucifer may seem like a very attractive personality at times (to me, anyway) but don't be fooled, in his eyes you are likely pawns. But what do I know?... |
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Oh yeah, though I'm aware that people are talking about completely different things when we talk about 'Satan' and 'Lucifer', it should also be recognised that many also believe they are one and the same..... Satanus Luciferus
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11-18-2008, 01:31 AM | #53 |
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Dusty_Nothing,
There may be so-called "Luciferians" out there who are theistic and believe Lucifer is a real entity, and worship him... but this is as self-masturbatory and pointless as the mainstream monotheistic religions because these people are missing the point. Lucifer is self. It's not ego. Ego worship is just as false a trap, and I'd argue that's what LaVeyan Satanism is. Magick, I see as a completely different topic and should be unrelated to philosophical Luciferianism. Dark magick is more the realm of Satanism than Luciferianism. |
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Hey man, yeah that was the general message I got from your post, I am in no way accusing you of such things, I've met people who use it as an ego thing and others who completely share your view on the subject, It's a very tricky one these days considering the ptb's alleged occult facination with satan, some Wiccans I've met face incredible amounts of criticism up to the point of being physically made to stop their rituals because of this satanic paranoia, it's ludicrous. I respect your beliefs and you seem to be very knowledgable with them, as you harm none.
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11-18-2008, 01:47 AM | #55 |
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Thanks. I respect you and thank you for understanding.
Whatever works for each individual to become all that they can be. And helping others along the way would be an added bonus. Take care. |
11-18-2008, 02:05 AM | #56 |
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If you expand your consciousness and call out to Lucifer, then Lucifer is what you will get. That is the hidden power in all of us. Be careful which direction you point it in. He is a trickster on the grandest scale.
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11-18-2008, 02:06 AM | #57 |
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How do you know who or what is Lucifer? Where are you getting this information from? Honestly. What are your sources?
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11-18-2008, 02:14 AM | #58 |
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Lucifer, and the higher archangels and most of all of the mythological deities are actual beings that exist in the higher dimensions. If you treat them as though they are just ideas, it does not change that you are communicating with them.
I do not think that it is a matter of good and bad. The multiverse is designed to have different spiritual paths dependent on the universe you are in. They are actully functional parts of the learning curve we must all go through on our journey here. That being said, we all have a choice as to which side to align ourselves to. Intentions pure or not, you call out to a negative omnipresent being and be careful what you get. |
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There's only one God in the universe and all others are deceivers because they call themselves gods.
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His explanation was that satanists don't feel they should help anyone if they're too weak to help themselves, and that one of their prime rules is 'don't bother me and we're ok, harm me and I'll make you wish you were dead'. He said that while he won't go out of his was to help a stranger- he won't be a 'jerk' about it (which I thought was kinda funny). Meaning he wouldn't go out of his way to either help OR harm someone. If it was someone he knew who was kind to him he'd offer assistance. If someone wasn't he'd laugh at them. 'Recipricosity' or something like that was a word he used a lot. As far as I know he remains a satanist, I haven't seen him in years. BUT I GOTTA SAY- the guy was OK... As long as you lived by the golden rule with him you were good and he was great to get along with. It wasn't like anyone had to necessarily always be nice to him, as long as they was fair. I respected him while I didn't agree with his beliefs, he lived by his beliefs. I saw him as a good person who happened to worship satan- which SEEMS strange but not really when you thing about it... This guy I worked with was a 'good' person as I knew him- religion or beliefs don't really matter to anyone other than the individual. If someone's 'good' or 'evil' it's all about how they interact with others and the world. There are a lot of 'evil' christians, jews, etc. and 'good' luciferians/satanists. It's not about religion or belief. If you're a jerk then that's what you are, if you're nice then that's it. It's also a matter of perspective... but that's a whole other rant. Last edited by 371; 11-18-2008 at 02:37 AM. |
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Lucifer/Satan is indeed an archtypical mindset that we as humans have. This mindset is of course by necessity a "service to self" type of polarity as oppossed to say the "service to others" type of polarity, although the "service to self polarity" can help to serve "other" like minded social spirit/body/mind complexes like themselves and in this sense "serve" others.
It is still a negative service to self polarity. A person can grow and progress spiritually by using this polarity but at some later point of growth, somewhere around the harvesting of sixth and seventh density beings you will automatically change your service to "service to others" polarity out of your "desire to continue to grow" and your desire of self preservation as an individual entity. Also, every spiritual archtypical mindset also has third density manifestations be it of "positive" polarity or "negative" polarity which of course depends on your choice of which polarity you will serve. This is where the "war in the heavens" gets it's begining from. If someone wants to deny that there is a struggle of "good and evil" because they believe it is "propaganda" from some church "rulers", then this ideaology will assist those that have chosen "service to self" or the "negative" polarity path of service. The bottom line seems to be that we all come to enlightenment through one path or the other and the choice is ours. In order to serve "self" you must serve "God" as you are God incarnate. In order to serve others you must serve "God" as you are God incarnate. So both ways are correct until your "final approach" to becoming physically one again with the Creator/God at which time you will most likely change your polarity by your free will to a strictly service to others polarity for your own "self preservation". It is an oxy-moron. There is an actual being named Lucifer, and he has other titles as well, one of which is Satan. |
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Again, I'd like to ask what sources people have for claiming Lucifer is a real being. Where are you getting this information from? Did you read it somewhere? Have you experienced this being personally? Or are you drawing upon your "collective knowledge" picked up through cultural connotations?
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there is a god and, there is a lucifer and, there is an imposter god and, there is a goddess of lies and, what if god, had parents like a mother god / and, a father god what then ...the real trinity was, a unified & united force of both of them i think solving the lucifer puzzle could provide us, all, with quite an interesting piece the search for "real" truth is amaSing !!! cheers/susan the eXchanger Last edited by THE eXchanger; 11-18-2008 at 05:20 PM. |
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Whether Lucifer or Satan are real beings is likely unknown to most. However I know firsthand that there are indeed real dark entities that I personally describe as demons. I was faced with having to exorcise at least 1 from my personal space not long ago. Do these beings themselves worship or answer to an "almighty dark one" which could be labeled as Satan? I don't know...but I assume there is a hierarchy of dark spirits, the highest up being the most evil...whether or not it's the "Lucifer" or "Satan" as referred to in the Bible remains debatable. What I do know is that there are dark forces on the "other side" as well as Light forces. If you choose a life of "service to self" chances are you're going to attract the dark forces. If you choose a life of Goodness and "service to others" no doubt you'll attract and surround yourself with Light forces.
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The origin of Lucifer is from the bible right? So in being a Luciferian one ironically is basing there whole focus of belief from a christian book. lol
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11-19-2008, 08:47 PM | #73 |
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Hitler got visions of a bright overwhelming light, who named himself the Lord of the Nations. From this Light Hitler got his commands.
In this youtube Lucifer is called "Satan" and stands for the mind. These people thinks that having a mind makes man better than animals, well, everybody can see that this is not true. Its the mind that makes man wors than animals. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj1ZZ...72BA1C&index=2 |
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Those interested further in Luciferian ideas: Ordo Luciferi or my own articles at my Livejournal. You Alone are worth knowing. Know thyself. Last edited by Zelphael; 11-19-2008 at 09:32 PM. |
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Lucifer has absolutely nothing to do with Satan or any kind of devil worship Lucem Ferre is the bringer of enlightenment, he brings knowledge and understanding.
Occult has nothing to do with black-magic the word means hidden or concealed. Illuminati (Great White Brotherhood) is not an evil fraternity. Bavarian-Illuminati (ashkenazi) is the imposter Illuminati who is pure evil. Last edited by GoingToFast; 11-19-2008 at 10:43 PM. |
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