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Old 03-07-2010, 03:06 PM   #151
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Just be thankful he's not bending over - I am!
Hehehe Aha you see...this can now get really spicy....so he is on the pic...not bending over...is it us talking about him...bending over an offensive subject or is it ok since...it is "funny" ??? but if we would discuss it "seriously" than ...oh no, no..no..no....must not do that?

i also find it funny....people with so much "enlightenment" and "astral experiences" but still...mentioning *this* subject...about u know...doing *that things*...can throw them off the track...

so what do u think Gita...what kind of word twisting would it take for this to be allowed to continue?

or

is there an innocent child somewhere....waiting to be hurt by my words?
all the "damage" this can do?..... not to mention the what would than people say....



But him/her seeing violence and pornographic content (that humiliates women) on TV daily, commercials that exploit female body, not to mention daily news about constant outside threat and people blowing themselves up in public places, soldiers dropping bombs, and mariah carry boobies jumping out of that tight dress...that wont hurt the child...ehh not to worry...
 
Old 03-07-2010, 03:07 PM   #152
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Me too

Is that straw on the ground? is that in a barn? Maybe you're bringing in goat and cow spirits?
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:08 PM   #153
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To create a field of possibility to evolve our species and free the human race was the experiment. The cosmic alchemy has sifted this heavy density of our unprocessed fears to project the appropriate emotional dialectic and the atmosphere changes to that of old and much known. Unfortunately we are not physically together to Tai Chi these projections and give them the detailed attention of love it needs to grow. In this type of forum information/energy moves at hyperspace. Until this insight is known critical mass will be thwarted. But in the Dark Age who am i to complain for some bread and water in a proposed round table. Tis bittersweet but I success at our movement to the event horizon. I shall take my leave to the Forest and keep attuned to things in the making.

Be Well
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:09 PM   #154
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well i don`t know you but I understand that you are one who was always against Thuban and your husband is a modrator and .......... politics I dont care
but I know abrax hurt nobody...
How do you really "Know" that? Are you in the shoes of "all that is"?

Psychic attacks are not much fun if you are on the receiving end. And you SABINA..."KNOW" that never happened? I would like to know how you know that never happened.

And to all who are crying about the loss of a sexually perverted so called genius...well...he is really easy to find..to all those who "miss" him...so go follow your dragon.

The forum guidelines state

THIS FORUM IS AGAIN AVAILABLE TO EVERY REGISTERED USER
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I found it amazing the after the first post of his "Day in Hell" of sexually perverted dreams, that the thread was allowed to ever stay up in the first place.


In my mind, the material seriously was in question, no matter how many so called educated statistics were flashed on it. And it was because of that very thing that many clung on to each and every word. But no one seemed to care that this Abrixis was as possessed as you can get....and when that happens and members of a forum are here to say.."Oh yeah...that's really cool" ..yes...lets all get possessed. Sounds like a great thing. And let's follow all of this well educated "scripted" cult material so we can join in the possession. And Lets, while we are at it, say that it's all about "polarity"...and that is a good thing. Let's excuse the vulgarity, and the innuendo.


I for one cannot believe that people are stressing on this thread being gone. If it offended members..it needs to be gone. And those who wish to pursue the game of cults and possession of some very dark information posing as light...well follow the dragon, it should not be too hard to find that quest.


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Old 03-07-2010, 03:09 PM   #155
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Hehehe Aha you see...this can now get really spicy....so he is on the pic...not bending over...is it us talking about him...bending over an offensive subject or is it ok since...it is "funny" ??? but if we would discuss it "seriously" than ...oh no, no..no..no....must not do that?

i also find it funny....people with so much "enlightenment" and "astral experiences" but still...mentioning *this* subject...about u know...doing *that things*...can throw them off the track...

so what do u think Gita...what kind of word twisting would it take for this to be allowed to continue?

or

is there an innocent child somewhere....waiting to be hurt by my words?
all the "damage" this can do?..... not to mention the what would than people say....



But him/her seeing violence and pornographic content (that humiliates women) on TV daily, commercials that exploit female body, not to mention daily news about constant outside threat and people blowing themselves up in public places, soldiers dropping bombs, and mariah carry boobies jumping out of that tight dress...that wont hurt the child...ehh not to worry...
Some nice tongue in cheek wisdom there, Spregovori. You're a very bright being.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:10 PM   #156
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It is not my picture but my best friends come as orbs

The Guardian Alliance representatives come as orbs too, and then de-orb I think it is excellent!

I am learning how to but so far only bi-locations but getting there soon

Love ya all
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:15 PM   #157
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After analizing the photo I can say that with two exceptions they are positive elementals from the word "element"

Those that have the ability to work with elemental command can put them to good use

Love to all
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:21 PM   #158
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Hehehe Aha you see...this can now get really spicy....so he is on the pic...not bending over...is it us talking about him...bending over an offensive subject or is it ok since...it is "funny" ??? but if we would discuss it "seriously" than ...oh no, no..no..no....must not do that?

i also find it funny....people with so much "enlightenment" and "astral experiences" but still...mentioning *this* subject...about u know...doing *that things*...can throw them off the track...

so what do u think Gita...what kind of word twisting would it take for this to be allowed to continue?

or

is there an innocent child somewhere....waiting to be hurt by my words?
all the "damage" this can do?..... not to mention the what would than people say....



But him/her seeing violence and pornographic content (that humiliates women) on TV daily, commercials that exploit female body, not to mention daily news about constant outside threat and people blowing themselves up in public places, soldiers dropping bombs, and mariah carry boobies jumping out of that tight dress...that wont hurt the child...ehh not to worry...
Now now everyone, lets not lose ourselves up our own backside so far as to lose our sense of humour. Balance is the key and humour rocks as it keeps the ego in check and helps to usher in balance.

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Myplanet2

After analizing the photo I can say that with two exceptions they are positive elementals from the word "element"

Those that have the ability to work with elemental command can put them to good use

Love to all
Obviously, I was teasing, and baiting you out of ignoring. The orbs are lovely. It's so nice to have the 'company'.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:24 PM   #160
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Now now everyone, lets not lose ourselves up our own backside so far as to lose our sense of humour. Balance is the key and humour rocks as it keeps the ego in check and helps to usher in balance.

In this case the problem is with the "judge"....who to decide what balance is....what is humor and what is no longer humor... what is GOOD and what is BAD

and also...you avoided to continue the subject (not the sex subject...the relevant subject of "duality") although...perhaps this is for the best...there are people here that wish to "put things under the carpet" and call it a...positive change.....

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how does more clothes make things more acceptable?

i can still see the ass...and be careful Gita...someone might find that offensive and u can be banned
 
Old 03-07-2010, 03:27 PM   #161
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I have to point out something, this is the only forum on the internet I have come across; where each and every ban is discussed on the public board.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:34 PM   #162
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If Abrax truly offended someone sexually, no one in this thread knows for certain. I find it crazy that anyone would just assume the complainer was making false claims. If he did indeed do this, I'm sure that person had proof and it wasn't just "say so".

People think they can twist the truth to fit themselfs but I'm sure that many are catching on. You put something in writing and its a no brainer. People are not stupid.

I'm all about free speech.

Abrax had spoken out on more than one occassion against people on the forum. I can't say he was nasty to me because he wasn't. But I seen his comebacks to others which took me right out of the thread. They were not very nice and could actually make someone feel uncomfortable.

Abrax's remarks may certainly offended someone here so wait for the full story before you say that isn't so.

I doubt Susan that its due to someone feeling "jealous" over the attention Abrax got. All of that attention was not positive.

All his followers now have a new site to visit and they should be happy now.

Im happy for them also.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:34 PM   #163
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Un-believeable!

I rarely post but I need to make a statement concerning this circus show;

1. It is all about "intent" and "the truth".

2. Tango and 777 are 100% accurate in their assessment of abraxassinas.

3. Eloquent writer (and researcher) with other than honorable "intentions".

4. The weak fall prey to these type of monsters.

5. His banishment was justified.

This is a great group of smart people. Let's continue disseminating pertinent information.

Love to all of you (even abraxassinas)

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Old 03-07-2010, 03:37 PM   #164
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:42 PM   #165
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In this case the problem is with the "judge"....who to decide what balance is....what is humor and what is no longer humor... what is GOOD and what is BAD

and also...you avoided to continue the subject (not the sex subject...the relevant subject of "duality") although...perhaps this is for the best...there are people here that wish to "put things under the carpet" and call it a...positive change.....

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how does more clothes make things more acceptable?

i can still see the ass...and be careful Gita...someone might find that offensive and u can be banned
I am the one who decides what balance and humour to me is when I feel the joy in my heart and then laugh. There is no good or bad but what works and what doesn’t work and humour works for me just fine and it revitalises the soul in these heavy times.

Oh dear Spregovori you are so young and dichotomy of life is still new to you. Don't let your ego be offended by this cos we've all been there. Wisdom will be yours in time when you can find the humour in most things and generally this comes with challenging life experiences. I am sure you’ve had many of these challenges but to find balance and intelligent humour demands much more challenges which only comes with time – and there is no rush.

Lighten up Spregovori and if you are offended (which for the life of my I can’t see how) then just press the report button and knock yourself out. It’s all part of the learning process.

Peace to you dear soul.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:50 PM   #166
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Un-believeable!

I rarely post but I need to make a statement concerning this circus show;

1. It is all about "intent" and "the truth".

2. Tango and 777 are 100% accurate in their assessment of abraxassinas.

3. Eloquent writer (and researcher) with other than honorable "intentions".

4. The weak fall prey to these type of monsters.

5. His banishment was justified.

This is a great group of smart people. Let's continue disseminating pertinent information.

Love to all of you (even abraxassinas)

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Even if every other word was true, how can you justify point #5? It doesn't matter if 2 or 3 or 10 people can discern something. Why would you deny the rest the opportunity? The weak fall prey to monsters of that description, because the WANT to. Because they have BEEN such monsters in the past, and are trying on the other shoe. Because they are learning about compassion and want a close up look. Because they favour truth and honesty and want to contrast it with manipulation and deceptions, to see the full spread.

When are we going to start giving ourselves and each other some credit around here?

Abraxasinas belongs here. He belongs here because people are learning, and growing, and having their internal issues dragged out before their eyes, so they can finally confront them and do something about their stagnant conditions.

And for symmetry, Un-believable. Lol.
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Old 03-07-2010, 03:51 PM   #167
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Well hello Avalon,

As one of the folks that had joined Abraxas’ social group, I find myself not only saddened and angered by this course of events, but deeply disturbed about what seems to be occurring here at Avalon. However, I am not really that surprised by what has occurred, as it has been building up for sometime now. This seems to be the latest in a series of events carried out by a certain small, but very vocal, group of Avalon members and moderators that appear to have been out for Abraxas from the time (or soon after) he first posted here at Avalon. This small group appear to have taken offense at some aspect or other of Abraxas’ Thuban perspective and presentation. They have now thrown the sexually offensive card at Abraxas and used that as justification to both ban him and close all threads associated with him, including the social group.

Additionally, beyond the relatively small offended group, there are many that simply do not feel the Abraxas material resonates with them. They have simply, and quite rightly for themselves, kept away from the Thuban material, only now being drawn into it by the dispute that has been occurring between those that find value in Abraxas’ material, but not necessarily accepting it all, and those that clearly feel offended or threatened by the material (i.e. the small group just mentioned).

This small but persistent group seem to have had very little in common with one another, other than their desire to hijack Abraxas’ thread by baiting, attacking and trying undermine everything presented. None of this group, as far as I have seen, presented their arguments in a constructively critical manner. It was all emotive, irrational finger-pointing because something in Abraxas’ material offended their sensibilities. This group are only unified in their dislike of Abraxas and his material and the fact that it challenges their cherished and sincerely held beliefs and opinions. For some he seemed to represent the fundamentalist Christian interpretation of the Devil or Satan, or at least one of his demonic minions. They were horrified at his use of both canonical and non canonical (not in the present day bible; e.g. The Gospel of Thomas) biblical passages, which they felt was blasphemous, considering who they believe him to be. For others he was a literal dragon, lizard or serpent (a literal negative reptilian ET, in human guise) out to delude us all so his kind can take over our planet and species. Still others were offended by his scientific writings, suggesting they were too incomprehensible and complicated. They maintained that this was part of Abraxas’ ruse to confuse any who might follow him. “Blind them with science, and they will believe anything” some of the opposition to Abraxas might cry.

What none of these offended individuals could seem to see was that their very attack on Abraxas’ and his material was but a projection of their own shadow material on to another (i.e. Abraxas). All that dark stuff that resides in each of us only remains so because we fail to shine the light of consciousness upon it. It is far easier to project outward and pretend that our inner demons are literal physical demons that take the form of Satan, the devil, dragons, serpents, lizards or reptilian ET’s. Yes, if we believe this strongly enough, these beings as astral or paraphysical (part astral and part physical) entities or in the guise of literal physical humans (New World Order) or ET’s (cold-blooded reptilians), will indeed attack and consume us or make us their slaves. This is precisely why we need to become both at one with and conscious of our own inner dragon and/or demons.

All this stuff about reptilian ET’s enslaving and consuming us is, at least in part, a metaphor for each of us being slaves to and consumed by our fear of the unknown darkness – the dragon or demons –within us. (Yes they can certainly manifest physically, as demons or ET’s, if such energies remain unconscious within us). Likewise, the mythology of dragon slaying by heroes such as St. George and St. Michael is, again at least in part, a metaphor for the rise of patriarchy and the subordination of women by the male dominator societies that have come to the fore over the last several thousand years. The dragon and the serpent represent the strong, powerful, sensuous and, dare I say it, sexual, feminine archetype that the angry, judgmental and fearful masculine archetype has tried to conquer and master. The ancient feminine power is now rising again. One form of this rising feminine power is the return of the dragon and the serpent. It is also represented by our planet, Gaia, as she begins to express her anger (earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, extremes of weather, etc.) at the damage that has been done to her by humanity and its patriarchal leadership.

Unfortunately, one member of either the smaller offended group or the larger disinterested group (not sure which, at this stage) is none other than one of the two co-founders of Camelot-Avalon, Bill Ryan. His opinion seems to carry a lot of weight here at Avalon at the moment. Much more so than his now ex-partner (I mean in the business sense here, though I gather that they were romantically involved in the early days of Camelot) and co-founder of Camelot-Avalon, Kerry Cassidy.

Unfortunately, Bill chose to make it very clear to the moderators, at the end of last month, that in his opinion the Thuban Q & A thread should be closed down. Bill also made it clear that he believed Abraxas was delusional. He also felt that Avalon was not the place to discuss and debate differing metaphysical frameworks. Both these opinions were highly questionable in my own humble opinion, particularly the last one regarding discussion around metaphysical frameworks. If we can not discuss such things here, where can we do so? With regard to the charge of Abraxas being delusional, I ask this. Are we not all delusional to some degree? Beliefs, opinions, judgments we all express in some form or other. These too could be considered delusional. Some say a belief in God or a higher force is delusional? What about a belief in ghosts, angels, demons, spirits or ET's?

So, Bill gave his very strongly stated opinion, leaving it up to the moderators to decide whether they close the Thuban thread or not. One of the moderators closed the thread, against his better judgment, thinking that this was what Bill had requested. He re-opened the thread a few days later, when he realised his mistake. However, the damage had been done the moment Bill expressed a very strong opinion about the Thuban material being false. This provided a lot more fuel for the little fire that the offended group had created against Abraxas. The Thuban threads days here at Avalon were surely numbered then. I will be very surprised if Bill does anything other than support the actions of the small group of moderators and members who have closed down all things Thuban and banned Abraxas. I would love to be wrong on this and will put up my hand and say so if Bill contradicts my expectation.

Bill's integrity, already in doubt for me, rests on what he does or does not do in response to this irrational and emotive witch hunt. It is my suspicion, that in good time, but probably not immediately, all things relating to channeling or downloading (watch out you Ashayana Deanne fans) from alleged higher sources will be slowly removed from Avalon, if Bill gets his way. Whilst I question many of these channeled and downloaded sources, to stop all discussion of them here at Avalon, would be, in my view, a big mistake. By the way, I do not think many, if any, of the claims made by the various whistle blowers, witnesses and contactees are any more reliable (in some cases they are less so) than most channeled sources presented here at Avalon and elsewhere. Bill gives the impression that such are more grounded in reality than the channeled sources. I see little evidence to support this contention.

Really, it appears to me, that what has gone on here at Avalon in relation to the Abraxas thread, is the latest reflection of the ongoing personal conflict between Bill and Kerry, that has become more and more evident over the past year or so. The Camelot – St. Clair, Camelot – Burisch, Camelot – Greer, Camelot – Rense, Ryan – High and Ryan – Kinsumei2 conflicts were earlier versions of this. So, their own conflict with each other is a microcosm of these other Avalon and Camelot conflicts, in my view. And yet all of those conflicts together are themselves each a microcosm of the still wider conflict we see going on across our planet. The macrocosm is reflected in the microcosm; as above, so below; as within, so without.

Many here seem to feel that Bill is the more objective and rational member of the Camelot duo and that Kerry is the more intuitive and emotional one. Whilst Kerry is clearly intuitive (as is Bill, in myopinion), but also irrational and overly emotional at times, what many Avalonians fail to see is that many of Bill’s apparently objective and rational comments and statements are merely a cover for his own quite irrational and emotional processing. He is just better at hiding his irrational side than Kerry. Bill has aired his own differences publicly with Kerry, just as she has with him. The only difference is that he has done so in a more subtle manner than Kerry. Ideally, neither of them should have bought their personal issues to either Camelot or Avalon. It is fine for them to disagree publicly, but they need to do this in a rational and objective manner and simply agree to differ. However, what has occurred here at Avalon lately is far more personal than that and there is very little objectivity occurring from either party at present. It has everything to do with a personal relationship having gone sour, in my humble opinion.

So to Bill and Kerry, I say this. Get over it, move on and stop taking your personal grievances with each other, albeit unconsciously, out on the moderators and posters here at Avalon.

I shall certainly remain a member of this forum in the short term, just to watch what goes on here as this increasing conflict either gets worse or begins to resolve itself. I might even post occasionally, if I don’t get banned after this comment. Whether I remain here in the longer term depends on how things pan out. A more dictatorial approach to what is and is not allowed here, which is what Bill seems to be proposing, will most definitely turn me away from both Avalon and Camelot. Clear evidence of a more tolerant and open approach to all perspectives will keep me interested. So watch this space on that one.

However, already, though I respect Bill and Kerry as individuals and for much of what they have accomplished, I have lost faith in the integrity of both founders of Camelot-Avalon. This also leads me to question their credibility as objective observers and recorders of the information that they gather from their various sources.

Best Wishes to you all,

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I am the one who decides what balance and humour to me is ....
At the present moment i am not angry...i am bored.
Once again....i see the same story in different context.

I am young yes...but still i see (and know) people discussing *that thing* behind closed doors...most women like to talk about it...among themselves...and women are also nicely surprised if they can talk with a man/boy about it....but as long as you do not talk about it doing it with her....than becomes "inappropriate"

man do not discuss it, no room for emotion there...it is only sport, cars, bear and all the imaginable girlfriends they had....they do use the F word and such terms...mostly describing their glorious achievements...with age...than just rant and rant more...about how women are so strange and how they could never understand them...."poor" man huh?

i also once read a report stating that a lot of married couples (those who do not fail to drama and get a divorce) do not discuss sexuality....do not talk to each other about it...not all! but in the average (statistics) they do not . parents also refuse to talk it their children about it...they hide..make it a secret...make it forbidden....etc non sense from whatever source....and than the children do and go and look it up for themselves...with stuff like "do her in the ass" "cum dumpsters" etc...very good isnt it? very educational.... such great parents...such "great" people

mixed company (man and women) is a fun thing to observe...the topic comes up regularly like a bus...it is just that at that point we have 1st-silence...than everyone becomes the master of the metaphors...the whole subject is derailed to some cliche joke...after which...it is like nothing ever happened....

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Old 03-07-2010, 04:03 PM   #169
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The followers of Abrax are only 7 said by Abrax himself....let it rest


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Ok, I have an over-powering desire to write some incredibly brilliant post, so full of great insight on all this, that I manage to complete P I S S _ OFF every single faction to this, imaginable.

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Old 03-07-2010, 04:04 PM   #171
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Truthseeker,

The integrity of Abraxas is questionable at best. His intentions are not honorable. I hope you find the truth we are all seeking in this world.

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Old 03-07-2010, 04:04 PM   #172
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At the present moment i am not angry...i am bored.
Once again....i see the same story in different context.

I am young yes...but still i see (and know) people discussing *that thing* behind closed doors...most women like to talk about it...among themselves...and women are also nicely surprised if they can talk with a man/boy about it....but as long as you do not talk about it doing it with her....than becomes "inappropriate"

man do not discuss it, no room for emotion there...it is only sport, cars, bear and all the imaginable girlfriends they had....the do use the F and such terms...mostly describing their glorious achievements...with age...than just rant and rant more...about how women are so strange and how they could never understand them...."poor" man huh?

mixed company (man and women) is a fun thing to observe...the topic comes up regularly like a bus...it is just that at that point we have 1st-silence...than everyone becomes the master of the metaphors...the whole subject is derailed to some cliche joke...after which...it is like nothing ever happened....

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It is there...all around you....at your every step, in your every sight, while you sleep, when you are awake, you can not escape it, you can not ignore it, you do it....but still you deny it....

No disrepect to you in anyway but I barely understand what you are talking about but maybe cos I'm not most women and I do not have these 'most women' in my company. If it bothers you then stay away from their conversations and go and do your own thing. And if you're bored then find something else to do. I promise you as you get older, you will never again know the meaning of 'being bored' and on that day you will rejoice and know you have gained wisdom. Wish you all the best.

Peace as always. x
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Old 03-07-2010, 04:04 PM   #173
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Un-believeable!
2. Tango and 777 are 100% accurate in their assessment of abraxassinas.
Eloquent writer (and researcher) with other than honorable "intentions".
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wasn't 777 the one, who said the nazi sign was bad ???

it is one of the most ancient symbols on this planet
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Old 03-07-2010, 04:05 PM   #174
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Well hello Avalon,

As one of the folks that had joined Abraxas’ social group, I find myself not only saddened and angered by this course of events, but deeply disturbed about what seems to be occurring here at Avalon. However, I am not really that surprised by what has occurred, as it has been building up for sometime now. This seems to be the latest in a series of events carried out by a certain small, but very vocal, group of Avalon members and moderators that appear to have been out for Abraxas from the time (or soon after) he first posted here at Avalon. This small group appear to have taken offense at some aspect or other of Abraxas’ Thuban perspective and presentation. They have now thrown the sexually offensive card at Abraxas and used that as justification to both ban him and close all threads associated with him, including the social group.

Additionally, beyond the relatively small offended group, there are many that simply do not feel the Abraxas material resonates with them. They have simply, and quite rightly for themselves, kept away from the Thuban material, only now being drawn into it by the dispute that has been occurring between those that find value in Abraxas’ material, but not necessarily accepting it all, and those that clearly feel offended or threatened by the material (i.e. the small group just mentioned).

This small but persistent group seem to have had very little in common with one another, other than their desire to hijack Abraxas’ thread by baiting, attacking and trying undermine everything presented. None of this group, as far as I have seen, presented their arguments in a constructively critical manner. It was all emotive, irrational finger-pointing because something in Abraxas’ material offended their sensibilities. This group are only unified in their dislike of Abraxas and his material and the fact that it challenges their cherished and sincerely held beliefs and opinions. For some he seemed to represent the fundamentalist Christian interpretation of the Devil or Satan, or at least one of his demonic minions. They were horrified at his use of both canonical and non canonical (not in the present day bible; e.g. The Gospel of Thomas) biblical passages, which they felt was blasphemous, considering who they believe him to be. For others he was a literal dragon, lizard or serpent (a literal negative reptilian ET, in human guise) out to delude us all so his kind can take over our planet and species. Still others were offended by his scientific writings, suggesting they were too incomprehensible and complicated. They maintained that this was part of Abraxas’ ruse to confuse any who might follow him. “Blind them with science, and they will believe anything” some of the opposition to Abraxas might cry.

What none of these offended individuals could seem to see was that their very attack on Abraxas’ and his material was but a projection of their own shadow material on to another (i.e. Abraxas). All that dark stuff that resides in each of us only remains so because we fail to shine the light of consciousness upon it. It is far easier to project outward and pretend that our inner demons are literal physical demons that take the form of Satan, the devil, dragons, serpents, lizards or reptilian ET’s. Yes, if we believe this strongly enough, these beings as astral or paraphysical (part astral and part physical) entities or in the guise of literal physical humans (New World Order) or ET’s (cold-blooded reptilians), will indeed attack and consume us or make us their slaves. This is precisely why we need to become both at one with and conscious of our own inner dragon and/or demons.

All this stuff about reptilian ET’s enslaving and consuming us is, at least in part, a metaphor for each of us being slaves to and consumed by our fear of the unknown darkness – the dragon or demons –within us. (Yes they can certainly manifest physically, as demons or ET’s, if such energies remain unconscious within us). Likewise, the mythology of dragon slaying by heroes such as St. George and St. Michael is, again at least in part, a metaphor for the rise of patriarchy and the subordination of women by the male dominator societies that have come to the fore over the last several thousand years. The dragon and the serpent represent the strong, powerful, sensuous and, dare I say it, sexual, feminine archetype that the angry, judgmental and fearful masculine archetype has tried to conquer and master. The ancient feminine power is now rising again. One form of this rising feminine power is the return of the dragon and the serpent. It is also represented by our planet, Gaia, as she begins to express her anger (earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, extremes of weather, etc.) at the damage that has been done to her by humanity and its patriarchal leadership.

Unfortunately, one member of either the smaller offended group or the larger disinterested group (not sure which, at this stage) is none other than one of the two co-founders of Camelot-Avalon, Bill Ryan. His opinion seems to carry a lot of weight here at Avalon at the moment. Much more so than his now ex-partner (I mean in the business sense here, though I gather that they were romantically involved in the early days of Camelot) and co-founder of Camelot-Avalon, Kerry Cassidy.

Unfortunately, Bill chose to make it very clear to the moderators, at the end of last month, that in his opinion the Thuban Q & A thread should be closed down. Bill also made it clear that he believed Abraxas was delusional. He also felt that Avalon was not the place to discuss and debate differing metaphysical frameworks. Both these opinions were highly questionable in my own humble opinion, particularly the last one regarding discussion around metaphysical frameworks. If we can not discuss such things here, where can we do so? With regard to the charge of Abraxas being delusional, I ask this. Are we not all delusional to some degree? Beliefs, opinions, judgments we all express in some form or other. These too could be considered delusional. Some say a belief in God or a higher force is delusional? What about a belief in ghosts, angels, demons, spirits or ET's?

So, Bill gave his very strongly stated opinion, leaving it up to the moderators to decide whether they close the Thuban thread or not. One of the moderators closed the thread, against his better judgment, thinking that this was what Bill had requested. He re-opened the thread a few days later, when he realised his mistake. However, the damage had been done the moment Bill expressed a very strong opinion about the Thuban material being false. This provided a lot more fuel for the little fire that the offended group had created against Abraxas. The Thuban threads days here at Avalon were surely numbered then. I will be very surprised if Bill does anything other than support the actions of the small group of moderators and members who have closed down all things Thuban and banned Abraxas. I would love to be wrong on this and will put up my hand and say so if Bill contradicts my expectation.

Bill's integrity, already in doubt for me, rests on what he does or does not do in response to this irrational and emotive witch hunt. It is my suspicion, that in good time, but probably not immediately, all things relating to channeling or downloading (watch out you Ashayana Deanne fans) from alleged higher sources will be slowly removed from Avalon, if Bill gets his way. Whilst I question many of these channeled and downloaded sources, to stop all discussion of them here at Avalon, would be, in my view, a big mistake. By the way, I do not think many, if any, of the claims made by the various whistle blowers, witnesses and contactees are any more reliable (in some cases they are less so) than most channeled sources presented here at Avalon and elsewhere. Bill gives the impression that such are more grounded in reality than the channeled sources. I see little evidence to support this contention.

Really, it appears to me, that what has gone on here at Avalon in relation to the Abraxas thread, is the latest reflection of the ongoing personal conflict between Bill and Kerry, that has become more and more evident over the past year or so. The Camelot – St. Clair, Camelot – Burisch, Camelot – Greer, Camelot – Rense, Ryan – High and Ryan – Kinsumei2 conflicts were earlier versions of this. So, their own conflict with each other is a microcosm of these other Avalon and Camelot conflicts, in my view. And yet all of those conflicts together are themselves each a microcosm of the still wider conflict we see going on across our planet. The macrocosm is reflected in the microcosm; as above, so below; as within, so without.

Many here seem to feel that Bill is the more objective and rational member of the Camelot duo and that Kerry is the more intuitive and emotional one. Whilst Kerry is clearly intuitive (as is Bill, in myopinion), but also irrational and overly emotional at times, what many Avalonians fail to see is that many of Bill’s apparently objective and rational comments and statements are merely a cover for his own quite irrational and emotional processing. He is just better at hiding his irrational side than Kerry. Bill has aired his own differences publicly with Kerry, just as she has with him. The only difference is that he has done so in a more subtle manner than Kerry. Ideally, neither of them should have bought their personal issues to either Camelot or Avalon. It is fine for them to disagree publicly, but they need to do this in a rational and objective manner and simply agree to differ. However, what has occurred here at Avalon lately is far more personal than that and there is very little objectivity occurring from either party at present. It has everything to do with a personal relationship having gone sour, in my humble opinion.

So to Bill and Kerry, I say this. Get over it, move on and stop taking your personal grievances with each other, albeit unconsciously, out on the moderators and posters here at Avalon.

I shall certainly remain a member of this forum in the short term, just to watch what goes on here as this increasing conflict either gets worse or begins to resolve itself. I might even post occasionally, if I don’t get banned after this comment. Whether I remain here in the longer term depends on how things pan out. A more dictatorial approach to what is and is not allowed here, which is what Bill seems to be proposing, will most definitely turn me away from both Avalon and Camelot. Clear evidence of a more tolerant and open approach to all perspectives will keep me interested. So watch this space on that one.

However, already, though I respect Bill and Kerry as individuals and for much of what they have accomplished, I have lost faith in the integrity of both founders of Camelot-Avalon. This also leads me to question their credibility as objective observers and recorders of the information that they gather from their various sources.

Best Wishes to you all,

Truthseeker (Andrew)
You seem to have the idea that it is a "small" group that was offended..but I'm here to say that there are many who were offended and did not even give this subject the time of day....and I will re post what it was that I feel needs to be addressed...as this forum is not for the enforcement of an agenda..that is age old, and oh so perverted and obvious..in my mind at least....this forum is not for furthering agenda..it is for breaking them up, and starting to live as sovereign beings....not manipulate ones.


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well i don`t know you but I understand that you are one who was always against Thuban and your husband is a modrator and .......... politics I dont care
but I know abrax hurt nobody...
How do you really "Know" that? Are you in the shoes of "all that is"?

Psychic attacks are not much fun if you are on the receiving end. And you SABINA..."KNOW" that never happened? I would like to know how you know that never happened.

And to all who are crying about the loss of a sexually perverted so called genius...well...he is really easy to find..to all those who "miss" him...so go follow your dragon.


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I found it amazing the after the first post of his "Day in Hell" of sexually perverted dreams, that the thread was allowed to ever stay up in the first place.


In my mind, the material seriously was in question, no matter how many so called educated statistics were flashed on it. And it was because of that very thing that many clung on to each and every word. But no one seemed to care that this Abrixis was as possessed as you can get....and when that happens and members of a forum are here to say.."Oh yeah...that's really cool" ..yes...lets all get possessed. Sounds like a great thing. And let's follow all of this well educated "scripted" cult material so we can join in the
possession. And Lets, while we are at it, say that it's all about "polarity"...and that is a good thing. Let's excuse the vulgarity, and the innuendo.


I for one cannot believe that people are stressing on this thread being gone. If it offended members..it needs to be gone. And those who wish to pursue the game of cults and possession of some very dark information posing as light...well follow the dragon, it should not be too hard to find that quest.



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Old 03-07-2010, 04:05 PM   #175
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wasn't 777 the one, who said the nazi sign was bad ???

it is one of the most ancient symbols on this planet
Yes....and that does not make it a good one

Remember Hitler????????????? What a lovely huh? should we excuse it a polarity...

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