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Old 07-22-2009, 08:44 AM   #51
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Wow...Thanks Jrod....so looking forward to reading this info...

Very much appreciated.

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Old 07-22-2009, 12:25 PM   #52
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Old 07-26-2009, 04:22 AM   #53
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For those who may have missed the announcement (since the page "rolled-over"):

The first Four Chapters of the Goblet of Truth (117-page PDF) is now available to download (free) from:

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Monday, July 20, 2009 - English version of "Goblet of Truth" has arrived!
The first four chapters of "Goblet of Truth" ("Kelch der Wahrheit") are now available as a freely downloadable PDF file on our site. "Goblet of Truth" is the ultimate, definitive collection of all the teachings of the six prophets who have assisted in the development of earth human beings for the last 11,000 years. These teachings are based on the original teachings of Nokodemion which go back billions of years in the history of our ancestors and our distant "cousins", the Pleiadians/Plejaren extraterrestrials, and will endure for countless years into the future. More chapters of this profound work will follow in the future.


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For those who may have missed the announcement (since the page "rolled-over"):

The first Four Chapters of the Goblet of Truth (117-page PDF) is now available to download (free) from:

http://us.figu.org/portal/Default.aspx


To go directly to the document: ...

http://us.figu.org/portal/LinkClick....bid=37&mid=415

Here is the announcement from the site: ...

News and Latest Site Updates
Monday, July 20, 2009 - English version of "Goblet of Truth" has arrived!
The first four chapters of "Goblet of Truth" ("Kelch der Wahrheit") are now available as a freely downloadable PDF file on our site. "Goblet of Truth" is the ultimate, definitive collection of all the teachings of the six prophets who have assisted in the development of earth human beings for the last 11,000 years. These teachings are based on the original teachings of Nokodemion which go back billions of years in the history of our ancestors and our distant "cousins", the Pleiadians/Plejaren extraterrestrials, and will endure for countless years into the future. More chapters of this profound work will follow in the future.


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Please inform me when the full document is printed and available to buy.

Wanna hold this one in my hands.

I hear that *OM* will be released soon after.. any news on that would be equally great.

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Old 07-31-2009, 09:26 AM   #56
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Ahhh I knew there was a thread on this somewhere... I will re-post this here..

Just wondered if anyone has read any of Billy's latest yet?? here.. http://us.figu.org/portal/Portals/0/...etTruth1-4.pdf and what your thoughts were?

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Hi Viking,

I have to agree with Luminari, it will be so much better when the book is published. I'll buy one myself if that comes out before finishing with this format conversion.

As to the Knowledge revealed in this book, as this spreads out into the "general knowledge" of Earth, there will be a True Revolution of Spirit among Humankind.

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Old 08-01-2009, 10:01 PM   #58
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Hi Viking,

I find the PDF version to be tedious to read, so I am in the process of taking the English Translation out into a Word Document format. This is a bigger project than originally thought, will take some time to complete.

I have so far done a copy-paste of the Forward and Introduction sections into independent files, and now working on the chapters, which will also be individual files. This is a page-by-page copy-paste, then Auto-format each page, then go through and eliminate extraneous spaces between lines, preserving paragraphs, then run the grammar/spell checks, and finally save-as individual sections to print.

I have to agree with Luminari, it will be so much better when the book is published. I'll buy one myself if that comes out before finishing with this format conversion.

As to the Knowledge revealed in this book, as this spreads out into the "general knowledge" of Earth, there will be a True Revolution of Spirit among Humankind.

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Yes I agree the book would be better for the eye and more readable!! I will def buy a copy as well...

Yes the General knowledge seems to be very interesting...also seems to mirror the Journels...

Could this be the final messages from our cosmic brothers of 'how to live our lives' ?? After TSHTF ... It all seems to rotate around the Universal Laws of creation..

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Old 08-02-2009, 04:32 AM   #59
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I'm going to raise the issue of trust here. Billy Meier's story is very interesting, but his history of believability is in question to me due to the wedding cake ufo pictures he said were real. I looked into his information a while back and want to share this with those interested.

I dig and search out a topic or subject of interest from as much of a non-judgmental position as possible. Then after I have immersed myself in someone's story and am often impressed, I force myself to look for holes or other evidence that puts holes in their story.

Now, just because someone lies in part does not mean they are a complete liar, so I try to pull out what is possible truth from the lies. All good disinfo people put some truth with their lies. I am not calling Mr. Meier a complete liar, but I do believe he made up the wedding cake photos himself due to the following images:


saucer in front of Mr. Meier's house

Note the notch on the front right area, that will be important.



This next photo is of a trashcan lid on Mr. Meier's farm:



I found the last two pics at http://forgetomori.com/2007/ufos/the...x-photographs/ and believe it has some interesting information to share.

Mr. Meier's ex-wife says he made it up and is followed like a cult leader. Watch this You Tube Video for further proof he is not to be trusted:


Now, does this mean Mr. Meier is not in touch with E.T.s? No, but it does make me stop to ponder what he has to say. I do not believe his wedding cake photos, and therefore it makes his entire story suspect. If Kerry were to find some person to interview and claimed they were to be some deep insider white hat that she had just met after said individual contacted Bill or Kerry, and it was later found out that it was her third cousin from San Jose California who is a regular Joe or Joan then Kerry would be finished in this movement. Would it negate all of her work or ability to expose truth? No, but it would probably negate her ability to share it as few would be willing to trust what she had to say. So, am I the only one who finds the images shared as very good reason to doubt Mr. Meier?
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Old 08-02-2009, 05:12 AM   #60
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I love the actress pictures and dinosaur pictures obviously taken from tv or a book:


Meier claimed he went back in time and met Jesus and Muhammad and was made a disciple. He apparently is the only one qualified to share the truth and is a "chosen" one like them. He also claimed to go back 65 million years and has this photo:



But it looks like it came from this book:



Plejan female per Meier who looks an awful lot like a Dean Martin dancer:




Here's 3 more links to check out, and the last one is about half way down the page to the Meier fakery. I thought I'd post the really bad pics to help show why I disbelieve the Meier story.


UFO Forum

Meier case

UFO photographs

For me it is a closed issue. I don't trust Meier at all, and all of his prophecy's are suspect. With all that I have read and studied, I could write an amazing story (yes I am a writer) that would sound as if I had been overtly contacted by aliens. As it is, I will simply go forward and continue following a path for truth and connecting to the Universal mind and hope I have the wisdom to be on the most positive path that will lead me to understanding and do what I came here to do.... whatever that is.
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Old 08-02-2009, 08:34 AM   #61
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OMG *rolls eyes* here we go again...

I don't have the strength or will to go through all this again.

RaKar or J Rod would you be so kind.

Unified Serenity nothing against you, you have the total right to ask these old questions/allegations again.

I'm going to sit this one out this time.

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Old 08-02-2009, 08:40 AM   #62
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Actually its probably easier if we just let you believe the Meier Case is a hoax..

Each to their own. I know its real, there is a mountain of irrefutable evidence including metal samples, sound recordings, up close photos, tons of credible witness etc etc etc ad nauseum.

But if you havent read the contact notes, then its silly even having an opinion, so maybe if you are interested that would be a good place to start.

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Old 08-02-2009, 10:26 AM   #63
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LOL You guys make me laugh...

Billy was set from the word go....He befriended some people that were to make the story a bit more plausible...they convinced him that he would need to dress up the story for people to believe what he had witnessed...unbeknown to him they were CIA or lets say people of that nature...SOOO alot of what was presented was manupulated by these people...like the tin can saucers..the pics of Semjase and maybe some other pics...He was later exposed as a hoaxer by the same people that set him up...Just research and you will see for yourself..all is not what it seems...

You also need to ask your self why is this...

'The Talmud Of Jmmanuel' that was discovered by Billy Meier and his ex-Greek Orthodox priest friend Isa Rashid in 1963 is almost word perfect to 'AND THEY CALLED HIS NAME IMMANUEL --- I AM SANANDA' which was presented via Doris Ekker by Sananda...Doris Ekker never once met Billy Meier or Isa Rashid(Rashid incidently is now dead apparantly assasinated!!Also there have been 9 attempts on Billys life...someone is looking after him). The 'Phoenix Journal 2' is so good that it even fills in the missing final pages that Isa Rashid never got the chance to translate following his own tragic death in 1976.

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Old 08-02-2009, 11:22 AM   #64
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Old 08-02-2009, 12:26 PM   #65
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Hello Luminari and Viking,

As I said in my first post, that just because someone lies on one thing does not make them a complete liar. That it does cause one to pause and have trust issues. Did Meier admit to lying about the UFO pics, model pics of Plajan woman, and that silly one of a woman in a shiny gold space suit with a "ray" gun whose face is nicely absent? Did he do an interview explaining this and if so is there a link I may read?

I read the contact story, and most of Phoenix2. As I said, I tend to end up finding info very interesting at first, but force myself to re-examine it and look for holes via inconsistencies or other information someone else has found. I think I started digging into this back when the phoenix journal stuff was first posted or when I first saw it a month and a half ago. All the fake BS and apparent claims to be the second coming of Jesus have had me put on some serious brakes.

I don't think Meier is some Messiah, but I am open to hearing other facts and wonder when he will make lightening appear from heaven. Again, I look for truth and facts, and how anyone could put that fake stuff out and expect people to believe it is really quite astonishing.
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Hello Luminari and Viking,

As I said in my first post, that just because someone lies on one thing does not make them a complete liar. That it does cause one to pause and have trust issues. Did Meier admit to lying about the UFO pics, model pics of Plajan woman, and that silly one of a woman in a shiny gold space suit with a "ray" gun whose face is nicely absent? Did he do an interview explaining this and if so is there a link I may read?

I read the contact story, and most of Phoenix2. As I said, I tend to end up finding info very interesting at first, but force myself to re-examine it and look for holes via inconsistencies or other information someone else has found. I think I started digging into this back when the phoenix journal stuff was first posted or when I first saw it a month and a half ago. All the fake BS and apparent claims to be the second coming of Jesus have had me put on some serious brakes.

I don't think Meier is some Messiah, but I am open to hearing other facts and wonder when he will make lightening appear from heaven. Again, I look for truth and facts, and how anyone could put that fake stuff out and expect people to believe it is really quite astonishing.
I totally understand United....we must all discern...I do, all the time....

I will try to find where I read this and give you a link...

In the mean time you might find this interesting
http://www.theyfly.com/articles/WILL...E_%20UP%20.htm

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Hello Unified Serenity,

If you get your information mostly from the "debunkers" who have obvious agendas, you will be getting very bad information.

Billy Meier IS NOT A LIAR. (PERIOD)

The claims of the debunkers are so absurd, I don't even want to review any of them here.

Here, following, is a letter sent to Wendelle Stevens from a former agent with the US Intelligence: ...


You may read Mr. Stevens full report (with this letter at the end) here:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/mei...ctPleiades.htm


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This is the letter from our friendly "spook" that was received at

Munds Park, Arizona, in early February 1989.

LETTER FROM A SECURITY AGENT:



Wendelle C. Stevens

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Care of:

GENESIS 3 Publishing Inc

P.O. Drawer JJ, Munds Park.AZ 89017

Dear Mr Stevens

A friend of mine, Tom Farr, dropped off a copy of MESSAGE FROM THE PLEIADES. I found it very Interesting. Tom had previously given me another book about Billy Meier, which was also interesting.

The following is information you might find interesting.The American Government did what could be called an extensive soft touch investigation of Billy, when he first attracted public attention to himself, to find out if the contact was in fact for real. The Decision was in his favor. It was extensive investigation, because of the unusual features in Billy's case.

Billy, as an individual, and a citizen of another country, had an American intelligence gathering organization look him over from ass hole to appetite. He passed the inspection rather well, but has not gone off the deep end, as predicted by the personality profile done on him. It of course goes without saying that he had the intelligence gathering community of his own country look him over.

The American investigation was of the light touch vanity(forfenglighet), meaning use no force, make no scars, and leave no traces of the investigation. Which is to say play tourist, pack a camera, and take a lot of pictures, tell a lot of lies, and ask a lot of questions. Host countries(vertslandets-) intelligence systems get ******(lei), if they catch you screwing off on their turf. So do not accuse us of any breakins, and that type of thing, because it happened back in the days when Billy was in fact liberal with what he gave away. Your book indicates that he has up graded his record keeping sense the early days.

In the other book on Billy there was a big deal about the films, and having them tested. In one specific incident the film tested was believed to be a copy, and not the original negative as Billy thought. Sorry about that.The way we got copies of Billy's pictures was by paying off the man who handled the film processing for Billy. The man simply ordered a second set of pictures for us, and a second copy of the negatives. at an attractive profit, and the man often had copies made for himself. In a couple of cases we took the original copy of the negative, for the type of lab checks that you wanted to make.

We also sent some garbage film through to the same processing company by the same store, under Billy's name, to keep the boys doing the film processing honest. We did establish that there was a little hankey pankey going on at the processing plant, and/or in the mail some place. Someone else was getting off with the first copy of the negatives most of the time. Several times, according to the experts, our copy of the negative would be about the fifth one.

All intelligence communities are well aware that vast volumes of bull **** comes and goes in the UFO contactee game, as part of turf(dekke) but pictures make strong evidence, which is almost impossible to fake. Because pictures are the quickest way to find who in fact is telling the truth, they often get stolen. Or, why screw around with the bull ****, when the proof is in the film. The Intelligence gathering people are also aware of how to intercept mail, and bribe(bestikke) store owners. When the bribe was set up we did not know how agreeable Billy was going to be about passing out samples.

In the book you touched on one of the most important of all things about UFO's, and may not have realized the true importance, to the history of UFOs, in what you said.

Page 219; "The visitor anticipated............and they immediately associated them with the Anti-Christ, of Christian literature and wanted nothing more to do with the situation."

The problem that Billy had with Karl Veit of Wiesbaden, is the key to understanding most of the American Government and Western Europe Government's approach to UFO's. In 1945, when it was first proven that UFO's were real from space, operated by intelligent being, most of whom where human in form, the American Government did a soft touch check to see what the great unwashed public would say, and how the public would respond to UFO's, and space people, if the President informed the public over National radio.

The results of the investigation would truly frost a thinking mans' balls. The public's response was all bad. 97% of the public took one of two approaches. Shot first and ask questions later. Or call the UFO'S agents of the devil, the prince of the power of the air, the ant-Christ, and set up an even worse situation, where UFOs would became a real negative religious issue. What was surprising was the response of the Religious leadership, which was by far worse than the general public's response. It could only be called grim news.

The science community showed no leadership at all, just a super case of stupidity, and prejudice.

As you might guess, the original investigations were by military men, under orders from General Marshal, under the direction of the President. And if you know your military men, finding one who wants to get into a fight with the preachers, over what is, or is not the Anti-Christ, when neither the military man, nor the preacher know a hell of a lot of factual information. about either the Ant-Christ, or the UFOs, would be a lot like sending a blind person out to spot UFO's. Just as soon as the blind man spots the first UFO, the military will get into the fight with the preachers over the Anti-Christ.

To say that the military seriously avoided the potential conflict with the religious community would be an understatement. To say that the military community successfully avoided a fight with the religious community over UFOs. would be an accurate observation. To say that the military was real damned sneaky (fordømt lusket) about how they informed the public about UFOs, would also be an accurate observation.

The military mind will draw conclusions that the religious mind will not. The military mind quickly figured out that if the UFO's wanted to take over the world, they had the speed, science, and fire power to do so Hence, the military concluded UFO's were working by other rules. The general nature of the rules the individuals in the UFOs would be working under, could be projected. based on previous contact records, how ever skimpy the records.

In other words, the military figured it was a safe assumption that the UFOs would not radically change their actions in modern times, but would stick with the casual and miss system of the past.

The military mind drew one conclusion. The single most important thing to do in the situation it was in, namely sitting on some hot, highly controversial information, was to keep the general public from a bad response. by controlling the public's response to UFOs. In other words keep that damned religious mentality out of the issues involved, as long as possible.

But, do not ever say that the military never did anything about informing the public about the existence of UFO's. That will mean you have not figured out the methods used by the Government to spread the word about UFOs. You might say the military took the Bible's advice about not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.

The Military pulled the very same trick that Moses pulled, when he did not like the attitude of his troops, after crossing the Red Sea. He took the time to grow a new batch troops, who's response and thinking was more to his liking. And that is what the military did about UFO's.

The military also found a problem as bad, or worse, than the religious mind. Have you have ever noticed, Scientist are about as bad as the preachers, when it comes to UFO's? Especially in the old days. What you missed is the little detail that Scientist, of the old pre-UFO school got their basic concept of the Universe from an insane preacher. A Catholic Pope. That basic concept is the idea that man is alone in the Universe, and the only intelligent life in the universe.

Going into the dark ages all societies leaving records, in any amount, left some kind of UFO record. Those that left verbal histories left verbal records of UFOs. In effect it was known prior to the Dark Ages that man was not alone in the Universe, that other intelligent beings were out there screwing around. Even the damned cave and rock drawings show UFO activity.

The Greeks and the Romans also knew that the world was round. The Greeks had even tried to measure the size of the earth using wells and sun light.

The insane Catholic Pope decided that he was the most important thing in the Universe, and that the Universe revolved around him. The basic idea that the world was flat was imposed upon the world by an insane Pope, which in effect made the earth the Center of the universe.. That Pope also expanded on the powers of the Pope, in effect saying that he was not only at the center of the Universe, he was all that was good, smart, and holy at the center of the Universe.

That pope also pitched the idea that man was alone in the Universe. That of course left the Pope the smartest man in the Universe.When the Science-Religion fight of the early science days started, science in general won out. The one idea that the Scientist took from an insane Pope, which they loved as an idea, and used as where very own idea, was the idea that man is alone in the Universe.The idea that man is alone in the Universe, if valid, would the make Scientist the smartest, and best educated beings in the Universe. The Science community's response to the coming of UFOs, and the possible drop in status from the smartest thing in the Universe, was some what worse than the religious communities response to UFOs. UFOs rather obviously, put the modern scientist in the position of being a backward person in knowledge, on a backward world. And farther insulted the scientist, by not bothering to make -any contact with him. Few, if any of the scientist involved gave up their status, as the smartest and best educated beings in the universe willing. Most of the older ones died with that idea in their head. The idea man was the only intelligent life in the Universe.

The existence of UFOs - truly lowers the status of the religious and scientific leaders of the world. They resisted such a lowering in their status, particularly the scientist.And here I should clear something up. Mention the word intelligence gathering community, and most people go into some kind of potty training shock, and think they have gone back to messing their pants, and are about to be caught at it. Doing what is called spying on people is an expensive and time consuming operation, generally involving a lot of people. It is surprising how many people think that they have some kind of secret, that makes them worth spying on. Casual surveillance, or simple information gathering, can be done much cheaper. The total amount of information needed, to make a high degree of accuracy decision, about some one like Billy, is in fact not as much as a person would imagine.

In effect, in the early days, if you showed up at Billy's place, knowing enough about good manners, to bring as much food as you eat, wash as many dishes as you get dirty. and just help around the house, or yard a bit. It was possible to get all the UFO information desired from Billy, and be treated as a respected guest.

Looking into Billy with a professional eye will quickly show that there are a couple of things, which are not "totally normal" for this type of contact. The screw ball hours, and the many changes in location, make it some what different from most contacts, which generally proceed on a casual, but regular bases, with some consideration for the contactee. Billy probably holds the record for more bad weather contacts than any one else. His case has some screw ball features, but it had some very good pictures.

In a shared UFO information pool with other Countries, including India, it was noticed that Billy got his contacts when ever a woman, the Indians were watching, was missing. It was speculated that Bills female contact could have been one of two women that the India authorities were watching. One was a tall dark haired woman with a very fair completion who, according to what the Indians could find out had been working an area for about 200 years. The other woman was a short, some what dumpy blond, with kind of a flat face. Every time the dumpy blond left India, Billy had a contact. Because the Indian surveillance was of the soft touch type, and far from complete, nothing was ever established. But, for a period of about 2 to 3 years there was a one to one relationship between the blond leaving India and Billy having a contact.

And there is something else you might figure out, or work on. It is Billy stumbling on to Military men looking at his contact sites. For all their science, the clowns in the UFO do not always work out every thing to perfection.

As a military officer you were exposed to a few classes in physics. As the book says about the rocks and the gold, the physics are the same, this world, or some other. That means that what is known, about physics here, will also apply up there.

The UFO is has a power source, which is obviously related to gravity, and electro magnetic properties of physics. That is all packed into a small space and effects the world around it. Add to that some cloaking device, and a few stray things, and you have a ship, which will give off a few things in the line of radiation. If the dogs can spot the UFOs, then use dogs, which we did around some military and science bases In the early days. If the TV flutters when one comes by, start from there for making a detection device.

It logically follows that about the time that the Governments got into the business of knowing about UFOs, they also got into learning how to detect the things, when they flew by. And it was a dog, who's action told us that flying saucer had clocking devices. It did not turn out to be all that hard to make a detection device. The Swiss Government has such devices and obviously uses them.

The last time I had anything to do with such devices, which was a long time ago, and the devices where physically very large because their radios had vacuum tubes, they could be rigged to do several different things, and the American Government was screwing with a model that would give the general direction the UFO was traveling. By now they could be the size of a pack of smokes, and given direction along with the make and model of the UFO. me In the late 50s we could define between about four types of UFOs based on how they effected our dewises. If I remember some of the information coming out of Billy's area, the DALs would normally send out a couple of other ships to scout the area, some time several days in advance, before the contact ship showed up. At that time the devices the Swiss had, could tell the difference between the two types of ships normally used. It could also tell the difference between several of. the small. ball shaped probes that might be sent out.

I know it to be a fact that the Swiss Government has contact with Space people. But. like all such contacts. the restriction, on who knows about it, comes from space. The Swiss in fact probably have the best contact of any country in the world. But. that is speculation on my part.

And here I might should add something. Within the Governments of the world, how many I do not know, but based on the patterns, probably most of the reasonable governments. there has been contact from space. But, within any government there will exist two possible sets of information. Those who study UFOs, from the ground looking up. and trade some types of information, some times, and those who are in the direct contact position. The two are not necessarily the same person, or department.

I know it to be a fact, having talked to a man who made the trip with him, that Ike had dinner on a space ship. I also know that the Queen of England has been on a space ship, once for medical treatment.

You mentioned something in passing that was interesting. It was your being "spied" on. I have no idea as to who is doing what to whom in your case. But, I do know that there was once a proposal put out to step on UFO investigators, and contactees a little bit, to keep the field from expanding to much, so the real contacts would not be lost in the pure bull ****.

As some one who has been in government, you can probably spot the conflicting, and over lapping authorities, that tend to keep showing up in cases like your self. You never out right ask the question, "what the hells Naval Intelligence doing in UFOs, but if you do, they were the "initiating authority" in the solution to the problem of the old FOO Fighters of WW2, and the boys who proved UFOs were from space. Once an Intelligence gathering community gets the initiating authority status in a field, especially if the job is dumped of onto them, they are damned hard to pry out of that field.

Within the structure of the American UFO community there are a lot of stories running around. If you ever have the time and the chance, or inclination, you might look up the one piece of semi hard evidence about a crashed UFO. It is the Brownsville, Texas saucer, which was a very old case. Dating back to right after WW2.

That ship came wobbling by Army Air Force base going about ten miles an how'. They first picked it up on radar, when It was about 40 miles away, which gave them vast amounts of time. Then with field glass as It approached, and finally as a visual. They had enough time that they were able to get a chase plane up in the air to follow the saucer to where it crashed, about ten miles deep in Mexico. Their first action was to get a parachute rigger into a plane. and jump him out over the crash site with a stencle and a can of Red Paint, to mark USAAF on the side of the saucer, so we could claim it was ours - in case the Mexicans showed up.

That ship was dragged back to the US by a cat. It left one hell of a skid trail. From the ground the skid trail can not be seen, because the government paid some Indians $5,000.0O0 to replant the ground. and hid all traces of that drag trail. But it can be seen from the air.

If seen from the air, it will be a very straight line that is almost due North and South. At the South end of the skid trail, there is an East-West gully, and just South of the Gully is a small ridge, or very little hill. The small hill has a north south ridge on it. The saucer came to rest on the East side of that ridge up against the slope of the hill, or at the base of the very little hill.

Because the drag trail could be seen from the air the Indians were hired to make other trails on the ground, as a confusion factor. The true drag trail is the only straight one in the group.

This letter is long enough. Lots of luck with what you are doing.

Respectfully .....................(name deleted)


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From one of your own quoted sources, UFO Forum= http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-17440.html comes this: ...

[ "Bartholomaus, whose company had long referred to Meier’s UFO photos and films as “an easily duplicated hoax”, sought to convince Uncharted Territory to refute any statements attributed to them that could be construed as supporting the authenticity of Meier’s photographic evidence, as reported in the new film, The Silent Revolution of Truth (http://theyfly.com/products/products.htm#srot).

[ "However, speaking also on behalf of his partner, Volker Engel, Marc Weigert made the following statement in his response to Bartholomaus, on January 30, 2008:
"But, to reflect on the statement that's in the film, I also remember seeing a shot on the Super8 reel that showed a UFO circling around a fairly tall tree. According to that shot, we said that we can't conclusively say whether it's real or not, but it seemed impossible to stage that kind of a shot with a miniature (it would have to be hanging on a very tall crane, with wires - but even then the movements would be hard to achieve.) So, yes, in regards to that shot, we mentioned that we could definitely do it today with CG, but at the time these were supposedly shot - it would have been very hard, probably even impossible, to fake this kind of shot." (See: http://www.theyfly.com/photos/photos.htm#movie)

[ "Uncharted Territory’s expert opinion delivered the deathblow to virtually all challenges and claims by skeptics who have loudly accused Meier of hoaxing his “too good to be true” photographic and film evidence. The most recent case in point is that of amateur UFOlogist, aspiring filmmaker and very vocal Meier critic, Paul Kimball, who found even the thought of trying to reproduce Meier’s video

[ "When a new article (http://theyfly.com/newsflash91/Top_Skeptic_Fixed.htm) had been posted about Bartholomaus' desperate efforts inadvertently resulting in his authenticating a key Meier photo, and when a new DVD by Michael Horn was announced (http://theyfly.com/products/products.htm#mhmcu) that also included the new information from Uncharted Territory, Bartholomaus and CFI-West/IIG threatened to sue to prevent them from being made available. Such are the fears and agendas of those whose purpose it is to debunk the Meier case, at any price, rather than to examine it, objectively and scientifically, to determine the truth.

[ "For those who have let the years of groundless, often very mean spirited, accusations by the skeptics dissuade them from examining the Meier case, it is hoped that they now will do so and discover the truth for themselves. In doing so they will find that, more than just amazing (and still irreproducible) UFO photos, films, etc., the very keys to our future survival have been placed in the information, if we will only grasp and use them before it is too late. In light of the news of the day, such a warning is anything but hyperbolic, as this from the Henoch Prophecies (http://theyfly.com/prophecies/prophecies.htm), published in 1987 and on www.theyfly.com since 2002, should make clear ... " ]

From: http://theyfly.com/newsflash92/Academy_%20Award_Fx.htm

Linked from this prior page: http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0808/meier-water.html
"UFO Skeptics Throw in the Towel!
How Did Meier Beat NASA by 32 Years?"

United Serenity, Thank you for providing FURTHER PROOF that Billy Meier IS THE REAL DEAL.

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The images I posted are obvious fakes to me. Now, as I said, just because he lied and fabricated some stuff does not make him a complete liar. You are entitled to believe all the photos are real and I will continue to read information.

My issue is that for me there is a trust issue once someone presents stuff as fact knowing it's not. I have not seen any video of Mr. Meier saying those photos are fakes, and thus he loses more credibility to me. If he has done so I would be glad to watch that video.

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Hello Unified Serenity,

Actually, I don't BELIEVE anything.! For me it is a KNOWING which comes from a preponderance of EVIDENCE beyond all reasonable doubt.

If you would honestly eliminate any preconceived biases and prejudices, then do your own due diligence, you may arrive to a new conclusion.

I know that Billy Meier does Not lie. Perhaps if you could GO to Switzerland, look the man in the eyes, you might find some real Light, Awaken to the real Truth.

The Spiritual Teachings which have come forth from the man, are too important for the Humanity on Earth to be compromised by nonsense or deceptions.
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[ "The Billy Meier 'Hoax' Exposed?

[ "The Wedding Cake UFO Controversy

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[ "There has been almost no end to the attempted debunking of the photos of the so-called Wedding Cake UFO (WCUFO) by what, frankly, can only be called inept, illogical skeptics. Now Im not being harsh on people just because they are critical of the case or the evidence. I am being harsh on those people to whom much evidence has been given, and of whom many important questions were asked, who have absolutely failed to do their homework – but nonetheless continue to make completely unsubstantiated attacks on Meier as a hoaxer.

[ "For comparison with Meiers WCUFO photos that follow, here is the best effort of professional model maker/photographer Jeff Ritzmann, a (formerly) very vocal critic of the Meier case and the WCUFO photos and video in particular.

[ "NOTE: Jeff Ritzmann effectively retracted his claims of having duplicated any of Meier's UFO photos by requesting that his model UFO photos no longer be posted in comparison to Meier's real UFO photos. Further, after this article was originally posted, Mr. Ritzmann accidentally revealed that he has been a cultivator of miniature trees for the past 14 years. These are the same kinds of miniature trees that he has long claimed that Meier used in photos with model UFOs to create his photos, films and video, “I have duplicated and even surpassed Meier's beamship photos, mine don’t need a bonsai/model tree to hold it up.”

[ "Mr. Ritzmann's defeat is all the more humiliating since he never submitted even one photo showing a model UFO next to one of his miniature trees to back up his claims...and tried to hide this glaring failure while continuing to defame Meier. ...

[ ... "In addition, the skeptics and debunkers have either overlooked, or deliberately avoided, the stunningly conclusive video that Meier took of one of the WCUFO UFOs. In this broad daylight video, Meier himself is seen setting up a camera on a tripod in front of the video camera that is running. In the distance, in front of a full-sized (30 – 40) tree, we see the WCUFO craft hovering motionlessly. Then Meier zooms in (we even hear the old-fashioned zoom on the early video camera) some 300 – 500. (WCUFO 10. above is from the video and photos that Meier took at that contact.)

[ "There is absolutely no way that Meier could have faked the video, or that the object could be a model, as some of the brain dead skeptics would likely assert." ]

http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash/newsflash2.htm

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Thanks Jrod lots of interesting info you supplied.

To those who are following the Billy Meier stories unfold I thought I would post this... some interesting info about Billy.

This Journel was wriiten in 1990! ... Truth eventually unfolds!!

Go to page 112 of the Journel or page 62 (bottom centre) of the Formatted script.

here.
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors...ournal_012.pdf

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Hi Viking,

Thank you for the reference to The Journal. This is the first time I've seen that, didn't even know it existed. Some interesting writings in there, that's for sure, but a LOT of it looks like it has been "borrowed" from the Contact Notes as recorded by Billy. I will reserve any further judgement.

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