What happened with Leo Zagami?

silverlightning · 12-13-2009, 02:22 PM

A couple of days ago I discovered Project Camelot's interview of Leo Zagami from 2008. To me he talked like he really had some rare insight to occult practises and hidden agendas in western politics.

However I discovered this video too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7...eature=related, where he seams to be caught in a form of psychosis.

I wonder what impression his presence made on Kerry and Bill at the time of the interview? Generally it seams like he know what he's talking about, but why he has chosen to go public with is knowledge like this I don't understand.

Any thoughts about this?

orthodoxymoron · 12-13-2009, 02:43 PM

I like Leo a lot...but I think he has been involved in some very dark activities. I think he knows a lot (too much)...but that he is caught between wanting to do the right thing...and doing what he was trained to do. I think he is pretty mixed-up...but I'm taking that 'crazy' video seriously. I don't know if he was possessed during this video...or if there was some type of delusion...but I'm thinking that most of the information is at least close to the truth. I could be wrong. I haven't lived the type of life that Leo has (thank God)...so I don't really know what top-level Aristocrats, Masons, and Jesuits know (thank God). I worry about Leo. He's a real loose cannon...and I fear for his safety and sanity. Consider the videos in the first post of this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron This thread contains heresy and wild conjecture...but it might help in understanding what might be going on with Leo and the subjects he discusses.

dayzero · 12-13-2009, 03:36 PM

Good question...

Leo Lyon Zagami, probably the only insight we'll get this side of the revolution into the crazy world of the lodges, be they dark, light,
or neither, or both.

Here he is, back on track, sortof, with Benjamin Fulford [who's scope of
idealism I always like, although he does always seem to be a little nuts]
They make a strange pair if you ask me.

Part 1, uploaded June 11, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqPg-mc1CIQ

Part 2, uploaded June 11, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnNTDWdIJek&NR=1

I agree the Camelot material with Zagami is extremely interesting,
possibly the most revealing interview they have ever done.
Since then, he got divorced, re-converted back from Islam,
made lots of threats and boasts and generally went weird.

Did you know he used to be a rave DJ and had a record label?
Mind you, so did I.

Anyway, I found this site IlluminatiChronicles which is a pretty good
compendium. In my opinion, all this stuff is interesting, but ultimately
irellevant to us normal people.
I do find it hugely interesting however, for some reason.

Michael Tsarion's recent work on this grand unravelling
is really very excellent,
[I'm sure it's covered extensively elsewhere but...worth mentioning]

We can slowly get a picture of the slow imploding insanity of
these people down the ages, and their sorry slide into the darkness....
Architects
Origins - Great intro

mntruthseeker · 12-13-2009, 03:45 PM

My heart goes out to Leo I can't imagine the type of life he had. I know that many have had similiar life and I pray that I only have to be a witness to such for my lesson

So many strange things happening in this world that its hard to comprehend so much.

I do pray that Leo is safe, I believe he is being "messed" with daily as some can't seem to help themselfs screwing up others minds.

I am going to imagine him safe and without fear or pain

Majorion · 12-13-2009, 04:17 PM

I have to admit, Leo Zagami struck me completely honest about absolutely everything he talked about. Unlike some other whistleblowers whom often make questionable statements from time to time, I felt Leo was very different. In fact I'm not sure there is actually anyone out there willing to deny that Leo is a real whistleblower, and that he was indeed involved with all these groups (Illuminati, Freemasons, Occult, etc.). IMO, all of his information is accurate.

Bilko · 12-13-2009, 04:18 PM

These people claim to be representatives from either side. they claim to be amongst the leaders of the most powerful controlling factions on the planet.
They come together to broker a peace agreement without any apparent reasons.
And they put together 2 sloppy videos on Youtube!
WTF!
Benjamin fulford seems to be suffering the effects of too much charlie and the other in an ill fitting suit. Gimme a break!

Their independent Testiment on Project Camelot are very good but this seems more like a wind up.

Why?
Whats going on here?
Are they not the credible witnesses i thought they were?
None of what they are saying makes any sense. it all feels like misdirection and lies. Not even half truths.
When will people stop beating around the bush and give clear and concise answers?
Anyway...
Rant over.

Majorion · 12-13-2009, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilko

When will people stop beating around the bush and give clear and concise answers?

Well I don't know about you, but since this is about Leo Zagami, and my opinion judging from the video interview I saw....I felt he was entirely genuine and forthcoming and nothing he said was anything short of concise. I thought he was very clear about everything.

You have to keep in mind that everyone has their own perspectives added to the facts they observed. So fact and point-of-view become one. But if you're used to seeing this all the time, then you'll know theres no conspiracy, very few actual lies, and most people are just telling it the way they see it, thats all.

silverlightning · 12-13-2009, 06:32 PM

Leo Zagami talks about old forces acting behind human faces, summoning of demonic beings and elusive entities. It's like the stories and secrets you only get to hear bits and pieces of every now and then. I don't know of anyone summoning entities, the only time I have heard about supposedly actual events are old stories of medium circles trying to evoke Egyptian gods and strange things happening. And there's the old story of the nazi-leaders who really didn't believe in it, but when dabbling in the occult, several of them ran away pretty scared.

Dangerous things like this all ways triggers my imagination, what are they doing?

Bilko · 12-13-2009, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Majorion

Well I don't know about you, but since this is about Leo Zagami, and my opinion judging from the video interview I saw....I felt he was entirely genuine and forthcoming and nothing he said was anything short of concise. I thought he was very clear about everything.

You have to keep in mind that everyone has their own perspectives added to the facts they observed. So fact and point-of-view become one. But if you're used to seeing this all the time, then you'll know theres no conspiracy, very few actual lies, and most people are just telling it the way they see it, thats all.

yeah i see what you mean, i guess i'm just fed up with it.
it's like the same stories and information is just getting rehashed and put in different settings or dressed up in different ways to keep us interested.

I mean what they are talking about here is something big!. Why are such important things hidden in the corners of youtube? in 2, 5 minute videos?
Sometimes it all just seems like words, empty promises and meanings all built on the foundation of a small stone called Roswell. Looks to me like the pillar is starting to wobble.

I don't mean to be negative or pessimistic and for the most part i let myself believe the testaments of these various people. I just want something concrete without the veil you know?

I was watching Leo's first interview again on Camelot earlier and laughed at how he blurted. He was literally a machine gun splattering words, information, dates and names at kerry. I found myself wondering. Do "they" feed someone to a certain limit with information and then tell them to disclose, knowing that that person can never reveal too much because they simply don't know?

Are these good people being used? Delivering just a little bit more information than is available with research to keep us quiet for a while until we catch up. Are we being drip fed the truth that we already know.
I don't know, i think i am too suspicious sometimes.

Anyway,
there we are.

silverlightning · 12-13-2009, 08:41 PM

It's true Bilko, there's very little new information if any. There's a lot if it though in Leo Zagami, at one time and in one interview. The way he talks and present things, I think is his personality. He is fast talking, boasting a bit, but that's just how some guys are where he grew up. This is what he lives and thinks about every day. I'm in Norway, and I find it a bit strange all the threats he gets and accusations he throws, but I know there's something there.

Halvor · 12-14-2009, 01:36 AM

I met Leo Zagami the first time in late 2003 or early 2004 as I began frequenting the gnostic congregation in Oslo. I remember particularly one night after the service, then the attendees and clergy often used to go to a cafe next door for conversation and a glass of wine or a cup of coffee, and I and Leo remained after the rest had left, and facilitated by the depth of our conversation I think we established a rapport with respect to the spiritual sincerity and profundity of the other. I remember one itopic we touched upon was the 'time lords'.

I also became aquainted with his wife-to-be: Fatma Suslu, of a prominent Turkish sufi family living in Oslo. And this was before the two came together. At one point I was invited to her apartment at Grünerløkka in Oslo, very close to where she and Leo would later move together in their first apartment. It was me, Fatma and two other regulars from the gnostic church, Eliza and Lars, both about the same age as Fatma (Lars may be closer to Leo in age as Fatma is 8 years younger. Leo has many times referred to Lars as his friend). It was on the face of it just a cozy get-together after church service and we were smoking a joint of pot (and probably having a glass of wine, I don't remember exactly). (This was before there was any known connection between Leo and Fatma, at least known to me.) The incident which made this meeting highly significant in my perception and also inauspicious with respect to my perseption of Fatma, was that Fatma to me appeared to deliver a feat of shapeshifting. In my eyes, as we were all sitting around the sofa table, her countenance at one point seemed to reshape itself into something rather demonical, and this caught my curious attention (neither of the other two appeared to notice and nothing was ever uttered by me about what I observed). As 'curious attention' was probably not the reaction which the assumed feat had sought to engender or provoke, on reflection (both there and then and in hindsight), I was not surprised to witness her appearance becoming normal again and the intercourse resuming its by then ostentatiously casual and relaxed form. This episode probably only lasted for a minute or two. Shortly thereafter the visit was apparently over as Lars and Eliza began to signal their breaking up and the whole atmosphere became uneasy and restless (most people here have probably reflected on the sudden change in the energies when from one moment to the next the feeling of a social setting goes from relaxed wellbeing to "it's time to part - the sooner the better"). I, having been thoroughly energized by what I had just perceived experiencing however, made no sign of breaking up as I rather fascinatedly absorbed and reflected on what was taking place in the present in relation to what had transpired only minutes earlier. To me it was apparent that Fatma did not want to leave any impression of having initiated the breakup, and the two other more or less assertively, however still subtly, proceeded to persuade me to come with them.

Now I shall pause my narrative to explain something about myself. I had by that general time in my spiritual and personal evolution already reached to where I was intensely aware and alert when it comes to people using ambiguous signals to manipulate someone in a social situation, and I was intensely analyzing and absorbing all aspects of such perceived encounters in the pursuit of uncovering the hidden codes of the esoteric elites (my motivation for this may not be apparent to the reader of this, but since that is not the focus of what I wish to relay at this time I shall not digress more than I feel is absolutely necessary in order to make this all coherent). A productive strategy for achieving this goal, as I have found it, is to abstain from reacting to ambiguous signals, i.e. not taking a "hint" - ever in such situations - since taking a hint would require that I made a more or less informed interpretation of the sentiment of another person when this was not 100% explicit. In adopting this behavioral preset one will inevitably have to endure situations where one will appear to be higly eccentric to people around, and to the lay eye unperceptive, i.e. completely unable to take a hint. On the inside I can of course perfectly behold the absurdity of the situation, however, the remote possibility that it isn't the 99% probability scenario which I am in that moment facing, but in fact the extremely rare and potent 1% anomalous condition, becomes a powerful incentive to remain unpertubed, i.e. unreactive to the ambiguous signal (as showing any reaction, even if that were only confusion, would be highly unfortunate if the condition in the particular situation were in fact an engineered manipulation, because this would infuse the manipulator(s) with confidence that their stratagem was effective and motivate them to keep the pressure up, so to speak). As I have grown stronger and more confident in these situations, they have become increasingly easier to get through, because I recognize them as liminal and simply deal with them as I deal with all liminal situations, i.e. focus on the energy surge and how it infuses consciousness with the ability to take in more and more details of the scene, always anohored in my own pulsations (respiration, perhaps even heart beat) and other bodily sensations and manifestations.

Now back to me calm and focused in the sofa and the other three in comparative disarray, apparently hinting to me that it is time to get out of here. Some typical thoughts which enter in such situations are "am I being tested?" and "is my spiritual strength being gauged here?" Anyway, I finally got out of the apartment, but not until Fatma had stated repeatedly her concern that her brother, whom she was expecting "very soon", would be enraged by coming there and finding me, someone, a man, or some other particular factor present, in her apartment (I never got a clear picture of exactly what he was going to find provoking in the situation, only that it was imperative that status quo could not continue until he arrived). (I felt that a mental image of a patrist, uncontrollable, irrational and unpredictably violent individual was being conjured.) And with Lars and Eliza handing me my jacket and Lars tugging at my sleeves I left Fatma's apartment.

Since the sense of ambiguity never subsided in the social situation with the four of us present, this has remained an indelible memory, and indeed a reference point for analogous encounters. I might add to the picture by mentioning that to my recollection no censure of my acting in that situation ever ensued.

Since this is now becoming somewhat of a dense narrative I will lighten it up with a short break.

When I have since combined this one encounter with Leo's ex-wife with other bits of information, I have come to see her as indeed a refined tool of the Fethullah Gulen-led sufi illuminati which Leo for the past year and a half persistently has tried to describe and expose to a generally oblivious audience who also lack the preparation and axiomatic level of knowledge which would enable them to keep pace with his narrative. I personally assimilated this when I wrote the transcript of his 3 1/2 hour conversation with researcher Troy Space on 30 April of last year. My full impressions and analysis of Fatma Suslu can be read in her biography which a started writing immediately after Leo announced their falling out in March last year. I can only add to that that in a striking display which thoroughly cemented my impression of her, ahead of the Norwegian parliamentary election this September, she made a few headlines in the media when she switched political allegiance from the socialist party to the Christian democratic party.

There was little, at least not any private, contact between me and Leo Zagami between his marriage to Fatma and their breakup in March last year (2008). I remember how I met them both at the cafe Mogador in Grünerløkka at the time of their engagement.

My renewed interest in Leo Zagami as a spiritual phenomenon got an upsurge one year before the traumatic occurences in early March 2008 in connection with Project Camelot's visit to Oslo to interview Leo and the infamous Norwegian whistleblower who was sounding the alarm about underground bases in Norway to facilitate the evacuation of the elites in the advent of the impending cataclysm. That story and this individual's entanglement with Leo's quest is of course a chapter in itself. I had googled Leo for no reason that I can now recall and discovered that he had emerged on the internet conspiracy scene several months earlier (I think he first published is Illuminati Confessions website and started making interviews with Greg Szymanski in October 2006). I started writing a biographical article on the Xiandos website in April 2007 (I had started to write articles and posting them on that website following my permanent blocking as an editor of the Norwegian Wikipedia in February the same year. I'll mention that I have continued to contribute regularly to the English Wikipedia and have retained my standing there.) Until the events following Project Camelot's visit to Oslo the article about Leo focused on exposing the P2 lodge in Monte Carlo as well as his conflicts in Norway with the Ordo Templi Orientis and government agencies allegedly in collusion with them. In particular he was infuriated with the activities of a person whom he claimed was the secretary for the Norwegian O.T.O. and incidentally also one who had been an infrequent visitor of the gnostic church services (I can attest to that since I was very regularly attending the masses). It was also clear that he had arrived in Norway in the late 90s to investigate the Norwegian black metal / Satanist scene on behalf of his illuminati P2 order. (Here is another story which is also higly notable, i.e. Norway as a global hearth fomenting Satanic impulses since the late 80s.)

The events which commenced following Project Camelot's visit to Oslo in early March 2008 could be easily attained by reading the copious and well-organized volume chronicling his activities on the Xiandos website. It is well updated through late summer 2008. What has happened since that is less available, more so because I haven't updated Xiando's Leo Zagami material since then. But I will give impressions based on a somewhat extant Internet relationship with Leo throughout this period also. It is not a relationship to the extent that we exchange opinions or have a running dialogue going. Sometimes I get a message on my Facebook profile with a URL that he wants me to see, or I may do the same with some information which I have come across which I think will be of particular interest to him.

The one side which I think isn't readily available from reading his forum - that was set up with the explicit assistance of US intelligence and which was originally scheduled to premiere at the time of his high-profile arrival in the US on 20 Aptil 2008, is how I have observed his Internet persona this year on Facebook. Since I became active on Facebook in January 2009 Leo has had several profiles and the activity which has been presented through these have been highly curious. A group was set up early in the year, Neo Leo Lyon Zagami the Prophet, apparently promoting him as the founder of a new religion called Matrixism. In retrospect I cannot say that this initiative seems to have mobilized the unbridled passion which we know he is capable of when he does what his heart is in on. After first having a profile in his own name this suddenly disappeared. Instead two accounts in the name Sandra Anderson appeared and through his forum all were encouraged to add her to their friends lists. I seem to remember that Leo himself made this encouragement in one of his rather infrequent appearances on the website carrying his name. In early June, however, accounts in the forum which had then been open with fairly high activity for a little over a year became inaccessible and have remained so. No explanation I have seen has been given for this. Also, for much of the year the two Sandra Anderson accounts were spewing enourmous volumes of apparently indiscriminate NWO conspiracy lore and Leo was nowhere to be seen or heard from. We had learned on his forums, partly via his newly found allied Count Vivian Vivaldi, an Italian aristocrat apparently in much the same situation, and predicament, as Leo himself that Leo had been captured by the Jesuits in Rome. I believe the circumstances surrounding this episode, which I think lasted a number of days, have not been detailed. It was Vivaldi who recorded and released the video of Leo apparently locked up in a Jesuit-run psychiatric institution. It was in early June that Leo had an apparent summit meeting with Benjamin Fulford in Japan, Leo as a representative of the Western Illuminati, Fulford of the Asian ditto. Now in the fall Leo has stated that a book co-authored by him and Fulford has been released in Japan. However, I am unaware that any specifics about this book has surfaced. Also sometime medio 2009 the two Sandra Anderson accounts changed their names to Leo Zagami's name again and stopped the profuse posting of links.

To me it appears likely that Leo has been compromised, that he has been coerced to play his appointed role by rules dictated to him. The threat appears to be that he may be cut off from his son, Isak Rumi Zagami, permanently, but there is so much that could have taken place during this period of silence and compromised communication.

A new Norwegian magazine called SMUG, which premieres tomorrow (14 December) in fact, will have a feature article on Leo. Leo told me about this on Facebook earlier this afternoon.

eleni · 12-14-2009, 02:21 AM

Thank you Halvor for your long and detailed post. Great information.

orthodoxymoron · 12-14-2009, 02:30 AM

Wow Halvor! What an amazing post! The shapeshifting incident was creepy. Actually...most of this stuff is creepy to me. I encourage everyone to break all evil ties and associations. We are in a spiritual war...and it's probably going to get worse. I'm amazed by the detail of your post. This fills some gaps for me. I don't wish to get too close to any of this...but it is people such as Leo...who can really reveal a lot of forbidden information. On the other hand...I don't trust anyone...especially myself.

Namaste

Halvor · 12-14-2009, 11:44 AM

Leo commented the following on my sharing the link to this article on his Facebook profile:

Quote:

dear Halvor I think you will find alot of the answers you are searching for in the article released today on SMUG.That's because they were amongst other things very professional and sent 3 people to Italy to make this article and report on my present state,a journalist,a photographer and a founding member of my committee of Hope in Oslo now ... known as Commitee of Now stayed with me a few days in Rome.
They witnessed the fact I didnt compromised myself with the enemy has I have rennounced like I previously stated to you any relation with my son Isak because I dont want to be blackmailed by Fatma and the Gulen Movement anymore. These norwegians who came to visit me also witnessed my relations with my own family with the cistercensian monks and with the italian Freemasons loyal to me who fight the corrupt side of Freemasonry and the Vatican by actualy interviewing and talking with these people,yes finaly some truth can be spread and I hope you can rectify my position in the eyes of the truthseekers out there.Regarding my book with Benjamin that already sold over 15000 copies I will release a few chapters from it in the future on my FB account that you can spread freely accross the internet if interested.
I have stopped all activities on leozagami.com at the moment after we discovered many infiltrators and traitors like Phil the administrator had been brainwashed by Monique Armstrong who turn out to be a zionist agent of the worst kind wanting to actualy support the worst kind of christian fundamentalism bigotry in my movement.I dont want to be associated any longer with any religion if not my own Matrixism because they are all corrupt and evil to the core..

Last but not least in SMUG I make a very clear warning to your norwegian prime minister and trust me this time Im am ready to defend myself from the PST very well in my own country and I am ready for revenge.

TruthWillSetUFree · 12-14-2009, 02:13 PM

Thanks for the update Halvor, it is much appreciated!

Truth

silverlightning · 12-14-2009, 05:54 PM

Hei Halvor, utrolig så mye du vet :- )

That is a very comprehensive report Halvor, and very up-to-date. I have to say I struggle to make sense of it all.

Bilko · 12-14-2009, 07:33 PM

you write very well Halvor, i'm not used to such precise and in depth information. I guess i'll learn when i have been here a little longer.

[quote]
To me it appears likely that Leo has been compromised, that he has been coerced to play his appointed role by rules dictated to him[quote]

Wish i could have put it like that.

AscendingStarseed · 12-15-2009, 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silverlightning

Leo Zagami talks about old forces acting behind human faces, summoning of demonic beings and elusive entities. It's like the stories and secrets you only get to hear bits and pieces of every now and then. I don't know of anyone summoning entities, the only time I have heard about supposedly actual events are old stories of medium circles trying to evoke Egyptian gods and strange things happening. And there's the old story of the nazi-leaders who really didn't believe in it, but when dabbling in the occult, several of them ran away pretty scared.

Dangerous things like this all ways triggers my imagination, what are they doing?

I used to have much doubt about summoning up, or evoking entities myself...in the last couple years my research has led me to believe that there is much truth to these myths and stories handed down through the ages. It's a dark world we know very little about, but I believe that certain hidden secrets have been passed down through the ages that can evoke entities from other dimensions and worlds that we have no knowledge of yet.

Much of what he said validated many things I've heard and helped me to connect the dots in a better understanding of how deeply ingrained the occult is within our so called democratic leaders who are nothing more than puppets in a big play.

Dogma · 12-15-2009, 11:02 PM

Halvor, if you are in contact with Leo, perhaps you could ask him what that video was all about?

Halvor · 12-16-2009, 10:40 AM

Leo gave me a link to the book he wrote with Benjamin Fulford,

http://www.seishisha.co.jp/bookinfo/index.html#69

and since it is in Japanese you will have to use google translate or some such utility to make sense of it (those who don't understand Japanese writing):

http://translate.google.com/translat...69&sl=ja&tl=en

5thDensity · 12-16-2009, 12:09 PM

Here is new interview with Leo, posted last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_8xCAvhtc

Halvor · 12-16-2009, 01:23 PM

Leo just posted this on this Facebook wall:

Quote:

Another great day in my life a second book is about to be published in Japan and last night I finished prepraring a third book called: THE LAST MANIFESTO OF THE ROSICRUCIAN ILLUMINATI AND THEIR SECRET RITUALS

Dogma · 12-16-2009, 02:07 PM

Google translation as follows:

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"Illuminati monopoly incumbent executives exclusive interview!
What an angel and the devil is a reality? Virtually indistinguishable from the world's best taboo!
9.11 is likely also to the public the truth is very painful. People in power in the Illuminati (which give light to mankind) and he himself, enlightenment, 果Tasazu a primary role to bring enlightenment, intellectuals and army, and freely manipulated and banking, the rule of evil people run the gamut have. Now it collapsed, but when I visited the revolution - incumbent executive Leo Zagami Illuminati

"Index"
I came to Japan why Western leaders of secret societies, including active
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The two primary reasons for career executives Illuminati whistleblower chapter
Greedy people who only use for the benefit of their association / scandal shook the center of Rome / the role of the Illuminati to the world / situation that is currently located Zagami / opportunity to approach the forces of East and West / Zagami Why do you blow the whistle
Surprise third chapter, "Sacrifice," "devil" ritual
Zagami and the roots of P2 scandal / ritual sacrifice made by the Illuminati / encounter with the devil in experience Zagami / Iruminai deny the theory of evolution / rest to heal the Earth three years / The problem is "What can I do with reality "/ seal technology and the world's religions / ways to reconstruct the secret society
The fourth chapter continues the Illuminati still exist "

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tone3jaguar · 12-16-2009, 05:17 PM

Back when I dowsed up the factual accuracy of all of the Camelot Interviewees he came up at right about 12% total factual accuracy of his testimony. Even before I did this I had allowed myself to sit there and listen to about 20-30 min of the interview. Afterwards I felt like I wanted to stick my head in a bucket of ice water and forget what I had just listened to. I also remember Kerry leading this particular witness quite a bit during the interview.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...racy+made+easy

silverlightning · 12-16-2009, 06:28 PM

I have seen too much religion, western and eastern, so I tend to be very cynical. I wonder what exactly he has messed with to get arrested in Norway? He talks like he has played with the big guys in Monte Carlo, and why bother about affairs here? It looks like he has been accused of espionage of some kind, and it is not because he has been hiking in the mountains.

Whether he talks about Norway, United States or any other place, the story is about special places, energies, entities controlled by government, Jesuits, Vatican, or similar; and it's been hidden from people and public view. People are kept in the dark, because they are suppressed spiritually. He calls for an awakening for people to discover their god given (or natural?) spiritual connections, and how deceived they are.

It's very hard if not impossible to research these claims, even if so are they verifiable even to the insiders? I would love to know more about this.

I cannot find a trace of truth in the accusations against Stoltenberg, the only person he mentions that I know something about. I don't know Stoltenberg at all, never met him, but I have met several of his friends and colleges from when he was young and current. He comes from a very down-to-earth-family.

Do anybody have first (or second) hand information to what Leo refers to?

12-13-2009, 02:22 PM	#1
silverlightning Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 27	What happened with Leo Zagami? A couple of days ago I discovered Project Camelot's interview of Leo Zagami from 2008. To me he talked like he really had some rare insight to occult practises and hidden agendas in western politics. However I discovered this video too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7...eature=related, where he seams to be caught in a form of psychosis. I wonder what impression his presence made on Kerry and Bill at the time of the interview? Generally it seams like he know what he's talking about, but why he has chosen to go public with is knowledge like this I don't understand. Any thoughts about this?

12-13-2009, 02:43 PM	#2
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? I like Leo a lot...but I think he has been involved in some very dark activities. I think he knows a lot (too much)...but that he is caught between wanting to do the right thing...and doing what he was trained to do. I think he is pretty mixed-up...but I'm taking that 'crazy' video seriously. I don't know if he was possessed during this video...or if there was some type of delusion...but I'm thinking that most of the information is at least close to the truth. I could be wrong. I haven't lived the type of life that Leo has (thank God)...so I don't really know what top-level Aristocrats, Masons, and Jesuits know (thank God). I worry about Leo. He's a real loose cannon...and I fear for his safety and sanity. Consider the videos in the first post of this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron This thread contains heresy and wild conjecture...but it might help in understanding what might be going on with Leo and the subjects he discusses. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 12-13-2009 at 02:52 PM.

12-13-2009, 03:36 PM	#3
dayzero Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southern England Posts: 458	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? Good question... Leo Lyon Zagami, probably the only insight we'll get this side of the revolution into the crazy world of the lodges, be they dark, light, or neither, or both. Here he is, back on track, sortof, with Benjamin Fulford [who's scope of idealism I always like, although he does always seem to be a little nuts] They make a strange pair if you ask me. Part 1, uploaded June 11, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqPg-mc1CIQ Part 2, uploaded June 11, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnNTDWdIJek&NR=1 I agree the Camelot material with Zagami is extremely interesting, possibly the most revealing interview they have ever done. Since then, he got divorced, re-converted back from Islam, made lots of threats and boasts and generally went weird. Did you know he used to be a rave DJ and had a record label? Mind you, so did I. Anyway, I found this site IlluminatiChronicles which is a pretty good compendium. In my opinion, all this stuff is interesting, but ultimately irellevant to us normal people. I do find it hugely interesting however, for some reason. Michael Tsarion's recent work on this grand unravelling is really very excellent, [I'm sure it's covered extensively elsewhere but...worth mentioning] We can slowly get a picture of the slow imploding insanity of these people down the ages, and their sorry slide into the darkness.... Architects Origins - Great intro

12-13-2009, 03:45 PM	#4
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? My heart goes out to Leo I can't imagine the type of life he had. I know that many have had similiar life and I pray that I only have to be a witness to such for my lesson So many strange things happening in this world that its hard to comprehend so much. I do pray that Leo is safe, I believe he is being "messed" with daily as some can't seem to help themselfs screwing up others minds. I am going to imagine him safe and without fear or pain

12-13-2009, 04:17 PM	#5
Majorion Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: ∞ Posts: 654	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? I have to admit, Leo Zagami struck me completely honest about absolutely everything he talked about. Unlike some other whistleblowers whom often make questionable statements from time to time, I felt Leo was very different. In fact I'm not sure there is actually anyone out there willing to deny that Leo is a real whistleblower, and that he was indeed involved with all these groups (Illuminati, Freemasons, Occult, etc.). IMO, all of his information is accurate.

12-13-2009, 04:18 PM	#6
Bilko Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London South East Posts: 61	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? These people claim to be representatives from either side. they claim to be amongst the leaders of the most powerful controlling factions on the planet. They come together to broker a peace agreement without any apparent reasons. And they put together 2 sloppy videos on Youtube! WTF! Benjamin fulford seems to be suffering the effects of too much charlie and the other in an ill fitting suit. Gimme a break! Their independent Testiment on Project Camelot are very good but this seems more like a wind up. Why? Whats going on here? Are they not the credible witnesses i thought they were? None of what they are saying makes any sense. it all feels like misdirection and lies. Not even half truths. When will people stop beating around the bush and give clear and concise answers? Anyway... Rant over.

12-13-2009, 06:32 PM	#8
silverlightning Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 27	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? Leo Zagami talks about old forces acting behind human faces, summoning of demonic beings and elusive entities. It's like the stories and secrets you only get to hear bits and pieces of every now and then. I don't know of anyone summoning entities, the only time I have heard about supposedly actual events are old stories of medium circles trying to evoke Egyptian gods and strange things happening. And there's the old story of the nazi-leaders who really didn't believe in it, but when dabbling in the occult, several of them ran away pretty scared. Dangerous things like this all ways triggers my imagination, what are they doing?

12-13-2009, 08:41 PM	#10
silverlightning Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 27	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? It's true Bilko, there's very little new information if any. There's a lot if it though in Leo Zagami, at one time and in one interview. The way he talks and present things, I think is his personality. He is fast talking, boasting a bit, but that's just how some guys are where he grew up. This is what he lives and thinks about every day. I'm in Norway, and I find it a bit strange all the threats he gets and accusations he throws, but I know there's something there.

12-14-2009, 01:36 AM	#11
Halvor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 33	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? I met Leo Zagami the first time in late 2003 or early 2004 as I began frequenting the gnostic congregation in Oslo. I remember particularly one night after the service, then the attendees and clergy often used to go to a cafe next door for conversation and a glass of wine or a cup of coffee, and I and Leo remained after the rest had left, and facilitated by the depth of our conversation I think we established a rapport with respect to the spiritual sincerity and profundity of the other. I remember one itopic we touched upon was the 'time lords'. I also became aquainted with his wife-to-be: Fatma Suslu, of a prominent Turkish sufi family living in Oslo. And this was before the two came together. At one point I was invited to her apartment at Grünerløkka in Oslo, very close to where she and Leo would later move together in their first apartment. It was me, Fatma and two other regulars from the gnostic church, Eliza and Lars, both about the same age as Fatma (Lars may be closer to Leo in age as Fatma is 8 years younger. Leo has many times referred to Lars as his friend). It was on the face of it just a cozy get-together after church service and we were smoking a joint of pot (and probably having a glass of wine, I don't remember exactly). (This was before there was any known connection between Leo and Fatma, at least known to me.) The incident which made this meeting highly significant in my perception and also inauspicious with respect to my perseption of Fatma, was that Fatma to me appeared to deliver a feat of shapeshifting. In my eyes, as we were all sitting around the sofa table, her countenance at one point seemed to reshape itself into something rather demonical, and this caught my curious attention (neither of the other two appeared to notice and nothing was ever uttered by me about what I observed). As 'curious attention' was probably not the reaction which the assumed feat had sought to engender or provoke, on reflection (both there and then and in hindsight), I was not surprised to witness her appearance becoming normal again and the intercourse resuming its by then ostentatiously casual and relaxed form. This episode probably only lasted for a minute or two. Shortly thereafter the visit was apparently over as Lars and Eliza began to signal their breaking up and the whole atmosphere became uneasy and restless (most people here have probably reflected on the sudden change in the energies when from one moment to the next the feeling of a social setting goes from relaxed wellbeing to "it's time to part - the sooner the better"). I, having been thoroughly energized by what I had just perceived experiencing however, made no sign of breaking up as I rather fascinatedly absorbed and reflected on what was taking place in the present in relation to what had transpired only minutes earlier. To me it was apparent that Fatma did not want to leave any impression of having initiated the breakup, and the two other more or less assertively, however still subtly, proceeded to persuade me to come with them. Now I shall pause my narrative to explain something about myself. I had by that general time in my spiritual and personal evolution already reached to where I was intensely aware and alert when it comes to people using ambiguous signals to manipulate someone in a social situation, and I was intensely analyzing and absorbing all aspects of such perceived encounters in the pursuit of uncovering the hidden codes of the esoteric elites (my motivation for this may not be apparent to the reader of this, but since that is not the focus of what I wish to relay at this time I shall not digress more than I feel is absolutely necessary in order to make this all coherent). A productive strategy for achieving this goal, as I have found it, is to abstain from reacting to ambiguous signals, i.e. not taking a "hint" - ever in such situations - since taking a hint would require that I made a more or less informed interpretation of the sentiment of another person when this was not 100% explicit. In adopting this behavioral preset one will inevitably have to endure situations where one will appear to be higly eccentric to people around, and to the lay eye unperceptive, i.e. completely unable to take a hint. On the inside I can of course perfectly behold the absurdity of the situation, however, the remote possibility that it isn't the 99% probability scenario which I am in that moment facing, but in fact the extremely rare and potent 1% anomalous condition, becomes a powerful incentive to remain unpertubed, i.e. unreactive to the ambiguous signal (as showing any reaction, even if that were only confusion, would be highly unfortunate if the condition in the particular situation were in fact an engineered manipulation, because this would infuse the manipulator(s) with confidence that their stratagem was effective and motivate them to keep the pressure up, so to speak). As I have grown stronger and more confident in these situations, they have become increasingly easier to get through, because I recognize them as liminal and simply deal with them as I deal with all liminal situations, i.e. focus on the energy surge and how it infuses consciousness with the ability to take in more and more details of the scene, always anohored in my own pulsations (respiration, perhaps even heart beat) and other bodily sensations and manifestations. Now back to me calm and focused in the sofa and the other three in comparative disarray, apparently hinting to me that it is time to get out of here. Some typical thoughts which enter in such situations are "am I being tested?" and "is my spiritual strength being gauged here?" Anyway, I finally got out of the apartment, but not until Fatma had stated repeatedly her concern that her brother, whom she was expecting "very soon", would be enraged by coming there and finding me, someone, a man, or some other particular factor present, in her apartment (I never got a clear picture of exactly what he was going to find provoking in the situation, only that it was imperative that status quo could not continue until he arrived). (I felt that a mental image of a patrist, uncontrollable, irrational and unpredictably violent individual was being conjured.) And with Lars and Eliza handing me my jacket and Lars tugging at my sleeves I left Fatma's apartment. Since the sense of ambiguity never subsided in the social situation with the four of us present, this has remained an indelible memory, and indeed a reference point for analogous encounters. I might add to the picture by mentioning that to my recollection no censure of my acting in that situation ever ensued. Since this is now becoming somewhat of a dense narrative I will lighten it up with a short break. When I have since combined this one encounter with Leo's ex-wife with other bits of information, I have come to see her as indeed a refined tool of the Fethullah Gulen-led sufi illuminati which Leo for the past year and a half persistently has tried to describe and expose to a generally oblivious audience who also lack the preparation and axiomatic level of knowledge which would enable them to keep pace with his narrative. I personally assimilated this when I wrote the transcript of his 3 1/2 hour conversation with researcher Troy Space on 30 April of last year. My full impressions and analysis of Fatma Suslu can be read in her biography which a started writing immediately after Leo announced their falling out in March last year. I can only add to that that in a striking display which thoroughly cemented my impression of her, ahead of the Norwegian parliamentary election this September, she made a few headlines in the media when she switched political allegiance from the socialist party to the Christian democratic party. There was little, at least not any private, contact between me and Leo Zagami between his marriage to Fatma and their breakup in March last year (2008). I remember how I met them both at the cafe Mogador in Grünerløkka at the time of their engagement. My renewed interest in Leo Zagami as a spiritual phenomenon got an upsurge one year before the traumatic occurences in early March 2008 in connection with Project Camelot's visit to Oslo to interview Leo and the infamous Norwegian whistleblower who was sounding the alarm about underground bases in Norway to facilitate the evacuation of the elites in the advent of the impending cataclysm. That story and this individual's entanglement with Leo's quest is of course a chapter in itself. I had googled Leo for no reason that I can now recall and discovered that he had emerged on the internet conspiracy scene several months earlier (I think he first published is Illuminati Confessions website and started making interviews with Greg Szymanski in October 2006). I started writing a biographical article on the Xiandos website in April 2007 (I had started to write articles and posting them on that website following my permanent blocking as an editor of the Norwegian Wikipedia in February the same year. I'll mention that I have continued to contribute regularly to the English Wikipedia and have retained my standing there.) Until the events following Project Camelot's visit to Oslo the article about Leo focused on exposing the P2 lodge in Monte Carlo as well as his conflicts in Norway with the Ordo Templi Orientis and government agencies allegedly in collusion with them. In particular he was infuriated with the activities of a person whom he claimed was the secretary for the Norwegian O.T.O. and incidentally also one who had been an infrequent visitor of the gnostic church services (I can attest to that since I was very regularly attending the masses). It was also clear that he had arrived in Norway in the late 90s to investigate the Norwegian black metal / Satanist scene on behalf of his illuminati P2 order. (Here is another story which is also higly notable, i.e. Norway as a global hearth fomenting Satanic impulses since the late 80s.) The events which commenced following Project Camelot's visit to Oslo in early March 2008 could be easily attained by reading the copious and well-organized volume chronicling his activities on the Xiandos website. It is well updated through late summer 2008. What has happened since that is less available, more so because I haven't updated Xiando's Leo Zagami material since then. But I will give impressions based on a somewhat extant Internet relationship with Leo throughout this period also. It is not a relationship to the extent that we exchange opinions or have a running dialogue going. Sometimes I get a message on my Facebook profile with a URL that he wants me to see, or I may do the same with some information which I have come across which I think will be of particular interest to him. The one side which I think isn't readily available from reading his forum - that was set up with the explicit assistance of US intelligence and which was originally scheduled to premiere at the time of his high-profile arrival in the US on 20 Aptil 2008, is how I have observed his Internet persona this year on Facebook. Since I became active on Facebook in January 2009 Leo has had several profiles and the activity which has been presented through these have been highly curious. A group was set up early in the year, Neo Leo Lyon Zagami the Prophet, apparently promoting him as the founder of a new religion called Matrixism. In retrospect I cannot say that this initiative seems to have mobilized the unbridled passion which we know he is capable of when he does what his heart is in on. After first having a profile in his own name this suddenly disappeared. Instead two accounts in the name Sandra Anderson appeared and through his forum all were encouraged to add her to their friends lists. I seem to remember that Leo himself made this encouragement in one of his rather infrequent appearances on the website carrying his name. In early June, however, accounts in the forum which had then been open with fairly high activity for a little over a year became inaccessible and have remained so. No explanation I have seen has been given for this. Also, for much of the year the two Sandra Anderson accounts were spewing enourmous volumes of apparently indiscriminate NWO conspiracy lore and Leo was nowhere to be seen or heard from. We had learned on his forums, partly via his newly found allied Count Vivian Vivaldi, an Italian aristocrat apparently in much the same situation, and predicament, as Leo himself that Leo had been captured by the Jesuits in Rome. I believe the circumstances surrounding this episode, which I think lasted a number of days, have not been detailed. It was Vivaldi who recorded and released the video of Leo apparently locked up in a Jesuit-run psychiatric institution. It was in early June that Leo had an apparent summit meeting with Benjamin Fulford in Japan, Leo as a representative of the Western Illuminati, Fulford of the Asian ditto. Now in the fall Leo has stated that a book co-authored by him and Fulford has been released in Japan. However, I am unaware that any specifics about this book has surfaced. Also sometime medio 2009 the two Sandra Anderson accounts changed their names to Leo Zagami's name again and stopped the profuse posting of links. To me it appears likely that Leo has been compromised, that he has been coerced to play his appointed role by rules dictated to him. The threat appears to be that he may be cut off from his son, Isak Rumi Zagami, permanently, but there is so much that could have taken place during this period of silence and compromised communication. A new Norwegian magazine called SMUG, which premieres tomorrow (14 December) in fact, will have a feature article on Leo. Leo told me about this on Facebook earlier this afternoon.

12-14-2009, 02:21 AM	#12
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? Thank you Halvor for your long and detailed post. Great information.

12-14-2009, 02:30 AM	#13
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? Wow Halvor! What an amazing post! The shapeshifting incident was creepy. Actually...most of this stuff is creepy to me. I encourage everyone to break all evil ties and associations. We are in a spiritual war...and it's probably going to get worse. I'm amazed by the detail of your post. This fills some gaps for me. I don't wish to get too close to any of this...but it is people such as Leo...who can really reveal a lot of forbidden information. On the other hand...I don't trust anyone...especially myself. Namaste

12-14-2009, 02:13 PM	#15
TruthWillSetUFree Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 673	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? Thanks for the update Halvor, it is much appreciated! Truth

12-14-2009, 05:54 PM	#16
silverlightning Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 27	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? Hei Halvor, utrolig så mye du vet :- ) That is a very comprehensive report Halvor, and very up-to-date. I have to say I struggle to make sense of it all.

12-14-2009, 07:33 PM	#17
Bilko Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: London South East Posts: 61	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? you write very well Halvor, i'm not used to such precise and in depth information. I guess i'll learn when i have been here a little longer. [quote] To me it appears likely that Leo has been compromised, that he has been coerced to play his appointed role by rules dictated to him[quote] Wish i could have put it like that.

12-15-2009, 11:02 PM	#19
Dogma Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lille, France Posts: 10	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? Halvor, if you are in contact with Leo, perhaps you could ask him what that video was all about?

12-16-2009, 10:40 AM	#20
Halvor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 33	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? Leo gave me a link to the book he wrote with Benjamin Fulford, http://www.seishisha.co.jp/bookinfo/index.html#69 and since it is in Japanese you will have to use google translate or some such utility to make sense of it (those who don't understand Japanese writing): http://translate.google.com/translat...69&sl=ja&tl=en

12-16-2009, 12:09 PM	#21
5thDensity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Afganistan Posts: 17	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? Here is new interview with Leo, posted last week. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6_8xCAvhtc

12-16-2009, 02:07 PM	#23
Dogma Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lille, France Posts: 10	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? Google translation as follows: ///// "Illuminati monopoly incumbent executives exclusive interview! What an angel and the devil is a reality? Virtually indistinguishable from the world's best taboo! 9.11 is likely also to the public the truth is very painful. People in power in the Illuminati (which give light to mankind) and he himself, enlightenment, 果Tasazu a primary role to bring enlightenment, intellectuals and army, and freely manipulated and banking, the rule of evil people run the gamut have. Now it collapsed, but when I visited the revolution - incumbent executive Leo Zagami Illuminati "Index" I came to Japan why Western leaders of secret societies, including active True History of the Illuminati Chapter 1 Cotton from the ancient Illuminati that has been played and / Year 2012 plan is going to run and / or Christ was 何者 / whereabouts of gold assets in the world / the Knights Templar is not planning to reinstate / 2012, Return to the starting point for all / internal contradictions and hypocrisy that is encapsulated in the Vatican / evening of one's who worship the devil / inject the truth to people in power in the mountains of false / "The Last Emperor" is still alive descendants / Bush to the Vatican faction exists / satanism believers fools that mass The two primary reasons for career executives Illuminati whistleblower chapter Greedy people who only use for the benefit of their association / scandal shook the center of Rome / the role of the Illuminati to the world / situation that is currently located Zagami / opportunity to approach the forces of East and West / Zagami Why do you blow the whistle Surprise third chapter, "Sacrifice," "devil" ritual Zagami and the roots of P2 scandal / ritual sacrifice made by the Illuminati / encounter with the devil in experience Zagami / Iruminai deny the theory of evolution / rest to heal the Earth three years / The problem is "What can I do with reality "/ seal technology and the world's religions / ways to reconstruct the secret society The fourth chapter continues the Illuminati still exist " ////// END

12-16-2009, 05:17 PM	#24
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? Back when I dowsed up the factual accuracy of all of the Camelot Interviewees he came up at right about 12% total factual accuracy of his testimony. Even before I did this I had allowed myself to sit there and listen to about 20-30 min of the interview. Afterwards I felt like I wanted to stick my head in a bucket of ice water and forget what I had just listened to. I also remember Kerry leading this particular witness quite a bit during the interview. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...racy+made+easy

12-16-2009, 06:28 PM	#25
silverlightning Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 27	Re: What happened with Leo Zagami? I have seen too much religion, western and eastern, so I tend to be very cynical. I wonder what exactly he has messed with to get arrested in Norway? He talks like he has played with the big guys in Monte Carlo, and why bother about affairs here? It looks like he has been accused of espionage of some kind, and it is not because he has been hiking in the mountains. Whether he talks about Norway, United States or any other place, the story is about special places, energies, entities controlled by government, Jesuits, Vatican, or similar; and it's been hidden from people and public view. People are kept in the dark, because they are suppressed spiritually. He calls for an awakening for people to discover their god given (or natural?) spiritual connections, and how deceived they are. It's very hard if not impossible to research these claims, even if so are they verifiable even to the insiders? I would love to know more about this. I cannot find a trace of truth in the accusations against Stoltenberg, the only person he mentions that I know something about. I don't know Stoltenberg at all, never met him, but I have met several of his friends and colleges from when he was young and current. He comes from a very down-to-earth-family. Do anybody have first (or second) hand information to what Leo refers to?