Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is - Page 2

Myplanet2 · 08-17-2009, 12:12 PM

It all settles on our shoulders, individually and collectively. As long as we remain in a condition of surrendered sovereignty, none of us can do more than hope and believe.

Those are not our only options. How about Cause, Create, Decide?

It's up to us. And the whole "dog and pony" show is just a distraction.

There are no saviors, religious or political.

Our task is to step up and create the civilization we want. Not to beg permission to exist on "their" terms. What can they do if we just decide to "shed" their system and walk away and create a new one? Will they sue us? lock us up? charge us with crimes? threaten our retirements?

I like Clif High's term of SOC's (self organizing collectives). And Michael St. Clair's term of "Radiant Zones". These could replace the old system, as long as they don't try to follow the template of the old system. We have to create what we want. Us. You and I. Nobody else can do it.

Maybe bottom up instead of top down for a change? Until we get a better vision?

TruthWillSetUFree · 08-17-2009, 01:34 PM

I remain an optimist. I still believe Obama has it in him to do the right thing, as we all do, whether or not he does, at the risk of someone harming him is another matter. Look what they did to Kennedy and all the other people who they wanted silenced.

Wilcock also spoke of the chaos theory and its self organizing principle, which I also believe to be Truth.

I believe in the collective whole manifesting a new reality too. All of us being on the forum is creating our own pocket of light, understanding and higher consciousness in the collective and why it is always a good idea to speak to one another in respect, decency and love, while still speaking one's own Truth.

If we want a new paradigm we have to BE that new paradigm in every moment no matter if we are out in the world with people or on the forum.

I think Don Miquel Ruiz's 4 Agreements are a good way to live:

Be Impeccable with your word
Speak with integrity. Avoid using words to gossip, use the power of your words in the direction of Truth and Love

Don't take anything personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others do is a projection of their own reality.

Don't make assumptions
Have courage to ask questions, express what you want. Communicate clearly to avoid misunderstandings sadness and drama

Always do your best!
Our best will always change according to how one feels. Under all circumstances do your best to avoid self judgment, abuse and regret.

It will be interesting to watch it all unfold

My very best to all,
In Truth

Northern Boy · 08-17-2009, 03:15 PM

Barcarolle It is funny that you would mention Wilcock and Ego in your post. I often think of that very thing when I`m reading his stuff. And politics has nothing to do with mind control and every thing to do with Deception . For me governments do not exist now I refuse to be governed by anything but my own actions simply put being governed = being a slave and I`ve had enough of that game

Barcarolle · 08-18-2009, 12:09 AM

Government lets break down its meaning

Govern in latin means Control
Mente in greek means Mind

we live in a world of mass deception, symbols, numerology, geometry and trickery ..... most of the deceptions are right in front of our noses. unfortunately we are all in an ego, fear driven world where the vast majority of people are completely oblivious to the extent of this deception.

Deception is Mind Control or in modern terms NLP ... yes all world leaders and so called elites are experts in this game of power.

they are clinging on with their fingernails right now, shortly they will be hiding underground with tails tucked aside as they dont have the guts or character to face us

Anchor · 08-18-2009, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Barcarolle

Govern in latin means Control
Mente in greek means Mind

Wow.

Thats a good one, I never heard that before. I feel the need to check it out, something that obvious would have surely come to light earlier.

For information: Mente is not Mind in modern greek (I am told my my Greek friend that the word is "mialo"). We are checking with a Greek scholar now...

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Hi,

The ancient Greek word for “Mind” is “Nous”(nominative case) – Nou (genitive case) which is a masculine noun meaning also: "understanding, reason, thought, insight, purpose, intention, sense", according to the context.

As I cannot use the Greek characters since the system does not allow it, and then I had to write the word ‘nous' into corresponding letters of Latin alphabet, here is the name of each Greek letter, so that you can see these letters of Greek alphabet at the sites I mention below:

-Nous = nu-omicron-upsilon-sigma. The circumflex accent stands on the upsilon.

-Nou = nu-omicron-upsilon.

Finally here's the pronunciation of « nous » :

-“n” as ‘n' in English
-“ou”, the diphthong, as “oo' in ‘poor'
-“s” as ‘s' in ‘say'.

A..

Anchor · 08-18-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Boy

People don`t drink sour milk and Barrack is starting to leave a very sour taste in many Americans mouths., So he better start chilling and get to the Spilling

When did what Americans thought ever matter to who got elected?

Recently this does not seem to have been the case.

Many people are not going to like what is going to happen soon, no matter who the president is.

A..

Northern Boy · 08-18-2009, 12:27 AM

Yes A its right around the corner that is why all embassies of the USA have been quietly purchasing 1 yrs worth of currency in the countries they are stationed in

Phtha · 08-18-2009, 01:28 AM

Ment is mind in Ancient Latin not Greek. Maybe mente is mind in greek but I coudn't find the source.
I made a post about this here with links to Latin source:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...321#post152321

Pasted for convenience:

Govern Ment
Govern = Control
Ment = Mind (from ancient latin mens mentis : mind, thought, intention, intellect.)

In other words Government literally means Mind Control.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anchor

Wow.

Thats a good one, I never heard that before. I feel the need to check it out, something that obvious would have surely come to light earlier.

For information: Mente is not Mind in modern greek (I am told my my Greek friend that the word is "mialo"). We are checking with a Greek scholar now...
A..

mntruthseeker · 08-18-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

When did what Americans thought ever matter to who got elected?

Recently this does not seem to have been the case.

Many people are not going to like what is going to happen soon, no matter who the president is.

A..

Oh you hit that right on the nail. What irritates me the most is that Barack will get blamed for it because so many people couldn't see this coming.

I have to listen to talk between party lines and grit my teeth. I want to scream at them but I have gotten pretty good at just walking away now. I will point out things but at the same time, keep alot to myself.

Wormhole · 08-18-2009, 02:29 AM

In my experience, no one is wrong. Perceptions differ. Honor the path of separate experience, though speak your mind and own your thoughts. It is a slippery slope when we begin to assume that we know others thoughts, feelings, and agendas. A slippery slope indeed.

I personally love Wilcock. Great guy, hell of a fellow. Seems to be trying his hardest. I respect the effort. Never thought he was perfect. The Prez... good looking, seems nice, big job, lots of expectation, still waiting for a little more back bone... but get the picture. He's a figurehead. Never thought he was perfect. Hired hand. In the puppet slot. More interested in the corporations... pulling the strings.

I would like to see a lot more discernment as to our senate and assembly elections. Our local politicians. I would like to see a few of us run for office.

Public office is still public office by the way. Not a bad way to serve if you want to take the leap!

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

Barcarolle · 08-18-2009, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Phtha

Pasted for convenience:

Govern Ment
Govern = Control
Ment = Mind (from ancient latin mens mentis : mind, thought, intention, intellect.)

In other words Government literally means Mind Control.

thanks for that Phtha - we got the truth police out in force today lol

Anchor · 08-18-2009, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Barcarolle

thanks for that Phtha - we got the truth police out in force today lol

Yes - I am pleased we got that cleared up! It is a bit in your face isn't it... just like the dollar bill I suppose.

Government for the people - lol

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Unified Serenity · 08-18-2009, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Oh you hit that right on the nail. What irritates me the most is that Barack will get blamed for it because so many people couldn't see this coming.

Oh, the ptw are planning on it and causing a race war. They hate the black race and would like nothing better than to see an uprising and play upon the fears of the ignorant white man who will easily fight back.

We cannot let this happen. Do not get suckered into a fake battle. I have stocked up, will avoid the need to go shopping in a chaotic situation and raise my energy higher. I will send out unity and peace energy. Times are changing, and I simply will not comply with their plans and traps.

Humble Janitor · 08-18-2009, 06:22 AM

As long as people are going on about the Obamamaniacs and sheep, let's play the devil's advocate and spin this the other way around.

Are people also selective to information they (and only they) resonate with to a point where it MUST be true?

So, if someone comes along and talks this and talks that about another person, they must be right because that other person is hated/disliked/scorned by others?

Suppose Barack Obama said some stuff about Alan Keyes and I said, "Why Barry, you're right! I hate that Alan Keyes!" What would that imply?

Just a few thoughts. I want to figure out where people are coming from. I also want to know why Canadians care so much about the US Political system.

THE eXchanger · 08-18-2009, 06:50 AM

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TruthWillSetUFree · 08-18-2009, 03:34 PM

I don't think it is about listening to gossip about people whether or not they like them as a person. It is about what a person #1 says and #2 Does

Obama has repeatedly said one thing and done another. That is the basis I am going on.

Personally, I like the guy, it is hard not to, great smile, good looking, but that is all about the image and the persona he needs to project to be TRUSTED.

HJ my question to you is have you listened to the entire interview? I am not making you wrong if you have or haven't, just wanted to know if you also look at opposing views even when they do not necessarily coincide with your own.
Many people will only listen to that to which they already agree with because the ego wants to be Right, does not want to appear as though they are Wrong in front of others and is attached to their own views. This is why it is so hard to tell people the Truth, they don't want to hear it. It is too scary to allow all those comfortable and familiar thoughts and opinions to be wrong. Then what would they cling to for security? OMG they would have to think for themselves!

I realize these are Alan Keyes opinions, not the Truth, but he does stand on fact in many of his observations of Obama.

Again this is the time not to be a follower of any person or particular point of view but to go within and listen to the Master...the Self.

Love and Light to all

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Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

As long as people are going on about the Obamamaniacs and sheep, let's play the devil's advocate and spin this the other way around.

Are people also selective to information they (and only they) resonate with to a point where it MUST be true?

So, if someone comes along and talks this and talks that about another person, they must be right because that other person is hated/disliked/scorned by others?

Suppose Barack Obama said some stuff about Alan Keyes and I said, "Why Barry, you're right! I hate that Alan Keyes!" What would that imply?

Just a few thoughts. I want to figure out where people are coming from. I also want to know why Canadians care so much about the US Political system.

Myplanet2 · 08-20-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Barcarolle It is funny that you would mention Wilcock and Ego in your post. I often think of that very thing when I`m reading his stuff. And politics has nothing to do with mind control and every thing to do with Deception . For me governments do not exist now I refuse to be governed by anything but my own actions simply put being governed = being a slave and I`ve had enough of that game

Here's another: Poli (mutliple/many) tics (bloodsucking little critters)

08-17-2009, 12:12 PM	#26
Myplanet2 In The Mists Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,133	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is It all settles on our shoulders, individually and collectively. As long as we remain in a condition of surrendered sovereignty, none of us can do more than hope and believe. Those are not our only options. How about Cause, Create, Decide? It's up to us. And the whole "dog and pony" show is just a distraction. There are no saviors, religious or political. Our task is to step up and create the civilization we want. Not to beg permission to exist on "their" terms. What can they do if we just decide to "shed" their system and walk away and create a new one? Will they sue us? lock us up? charge us with crimes? threaten our retirements? I like Clif High's term of SOC's (self organizing collectives). And Michael St. Clair's term of "Radiant Zones". These could replace the old system, as long as they don't try to follow the template of the old system. We have to create what we want. Us. You and I. Nobody else can do it. Maybe bottom up instead of top down for a change? Until we get a better vision?

08-17-2009, 01:34 PM	#27
TruthWillSetUFree Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 673	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is I remain an optimist. I still believe Obama has it in him to do the right thing, as we all do, whether or not he does, at the risk of someone harming him is another matter. Look what they did to Kennedy and all the other people who they wanted silenced. Wilcock also spoke of the chaos theory and its self organizing principle, which I also believe to be Truth. I believe in the collective whole manifesting a new reality too. All of us being on the forum is creating our own pocket of light, understanding and higher consciousness in the collective and why it is always a good idea to speak to one another in respect, decency and love, while still speaking one's own Truth. If we want a new paradigm we have to BE that new paradigm in every moment no matter if we are out in the world with people or on the forum. I think Don Miquel Ruiz's 4 Agreements are a good way to live: Be Impeccable with your word Speak with integrity. Avoid using words to gossip, use the power of your words in the direction of Truth and Love Don't take anything personally Nothing others do is because of you. What others do is a projection of their own reality. Don't make assumptions Have courage to ask questions, express what you want. Communicate clearly to avoid misunderstandings sadness and drama Always do your best! Our best will always change according to how one feels. Under all circumstances do your best to avoid self judgment, abuse and regret. It will be interesting to watch it all unfold My very best to all, In Truth

08-17-2009, 03:15 PM	#28
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is Barcarolle It is funny that you would mention Wilcock and Ego in your post. I often think of that very thing when I`m reading his stuff. And politics has nothing to do with mind control and every thing to do with Deception . For me governments do not exist now I refuse to be governed by anything but my own actions simply put being governed = being a slave and I`ve had enough of that game Last edited by Northern Boy; 08-17-2009 at 04:24 PM.

08-18-2009, 12:09 AM	#29
Barcarolle Retired Avalon Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 73	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is Government lets break down its meaning Govern in latin means Control Mente in greek means Mind we live in a world of mass deception, symbols, numerology, geometry and trickery ..... most of the deceptions are right in front of our noses. unfortunately we are all in an ego, fear driven world where the vast majority of people are completely oblivious to the extent of this deception. Deception is Mind Control or in modern terms NLP ... yes all world leaders and so called elites are experts in this game of power. they are clinging on with their fingernails right now, shortly they will be hiding underground with tails tucked aside as they dont have the guts or character to face us Last edited by Barcarolle; 08-18-2009 at 12:11 AM.

08-18-2009, 12:27 AM	#32
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is Yes A its right around the corner that is why all embassies of the USA have been quietly purchasing 1 yrs worth of currency in the countries they are stationed in

08-18-2009, 02:29 AM	#35
Wormhole Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 506	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is In my experience, no one is wrong. Perceptions differ. Honor the path of separate experience, though speak your mind and own your thoughts. It is a slippery slope when we begin to assume that we know others thoughts, feelings, and agendas. A slippery slope indeed. I personally love Wilcock. Great guy, hell of a fellow. Seems to be trying his hardest. I respect the effort. Never thought he was perfect. The Prez... good looking, seems nice, big job, lots of expectation, still waiting for a little more back bone... but get the picture. He's a figurehead. Never thought he was perfect. Hired hand. In the puppet slot. More interested in the corporations... pulling the strings. I would like to see a lot more discernment as to our senate and assembly elections. Our local politicians. I would like to see a few of us run for office. Public office is still public office by the way. Not a bad way to serve if you want to take the leap! Peace of Mind, Wormhole

08-18-2009, 06:22 AM	#39
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is As long as people are going on about the Obamamaniacs and sheep, let's play the devil's advocate and spin this the other way around. Are people also selective to information they (and only they) resonate with to a point where it MUST be true? So, if someone comes along and talks this and talks that about another person, they must be right because that other person is hated/disliked/scorned by others? Suppose Barack Obama said some stuff about Alan Keyes and I said, "Why Barry, you're right! I hate that Alan Keyes!" What would that imply? Just a few thoughts. I want to figure out where people are coming from. I also want to know why Canadians care so much about the US Political system.

08-18-2009, 06:50 AM	#40
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is xxx Last edited by THE eXchanger; 09-14-2009 at 05:00 PM.