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07-29-2009, 02:23 PM | #126 |
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Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please!
Wow, what a read this thread was.
As far as Greer or anyone else for that matter being a disinfo agent, I think there is one thin that a lot of people seem to forget on a regular basis, and that is this... Everyone has their own OPINION and VIEWS of what reality is in the world. Just because they believe something different then you and I does not make them a disinfo agent under someones control set out to spread insidious things. He may very well believe that all ET's are friendly, he may not. Perhaps he does not want to scare those listening whom are not privy to this knowledge? I for one think some of the "whistle blowers" presented on Camelot and other places are completely full of s**t. Does that make them a disinfo agent? No. They are just very passionate about something they believe in, or in some cases are just crazy We must also look at the fact that what Greer has been doing all these years is trying to lead the charge in spreading the truth to THE GENERAL POPULATION. These same people can barely fathom the idea of aliens existing let alone evil reptilians running our planet or cities on the moon and mars. They would just gaff at such things and pass him off as another loon in need of a nice padded white room. Unlike people such as ourselves who can handle such sci-fi suggestions, many people cannot. And so he must approach things in a more rational and slow pace. Perhaps he thought he was losing ground and decided to tone it down a notch to reconnect with the layman? Unfortunately non of us will ever know what goes through his head unless he tells us. I think that we should not discount all that he has done for the truth movement over the past years because of a misunderstanding due to a language barrier. These are trying times for our civilization and if we all start attacking those who are doing good things at the slightest change in their demeanor we will be treading water forever and get nowhere. |
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Hi Lorien,
I tend to agree with you on several points. However, I need to add that if someone is stating an opinion, view or sharing an idea they need to declare that that is what it is. If I declared there is life on Mars I would have to prove it, without a shred of doubt. If I said I beleived there was life on Mars, the onus is less on me, as I could quite easily refer to intangible 'evidence' which cannot be proven one way nor another as they are only beliefs. People have the right to beleive what they think, of course they do, but they need to state that it is a belief and not a proven fact. Best regards, Steve Quote:
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I understand that Steve, but how many people that we base our beliefs upon have actually given us tangible, 100% verifiable proof of any claims made?
There are many out there, even on this forum, that believe things and will fight tooth and nail for it but have no proof whatsoever to back it up. Stephens' opinion, which he believes is true, is based on facts and experiences that he himself has had, or by information that people he trusts or personally knows have provided. Again, whether it is true or not, who knows, but HE believes it to be true and we should not heckle him for it. Quote:
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Great discussion everyone.
One thing is for sure I place him near the top of the whistleblowers out there. There a few that leave a bit to be desired. Lorien you have a good point. There are so many people that don't even believe that there are aliens/et s out there, and here we are splitting hairs on Dr. Greer's testimony. LOL |
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True.
Not everyone here does believe in ALIENS - A-LIE N |
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I believe in Aliens. I believe in God. I believe that God is an Alien. Siriusly.Some of us are here...because we're not all there. I'm not a lie'n.
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I just want to elaborate on that comment..
The 'Avalon' aspects of this forum which are of a positive and supportive nature are an extension of the 'core' Project Camelot materials and not a substitute for them. |
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In the light of my new knowledge about the NWO and the role of Israel ... the following pages of Dr. Greers book definately put big questions marks about what is going on with him and just what are the forces supporting him... read and make your own view:
Its one thing to be of the Baha'i faith... and quite another to work in its headquarters in Israel for 3 years! Hmm.. Still, I personaly believe in the benevolent intentions of Dr.Greer.. but the ones behind/over him (meaning the spirit/ET faction)? http://www.arcana.host22.com/images/greer1.jpg http://www.arcana.host22.com/images/greer2.jpg I personaly think the religion of a person is of huge importance. This is practically ones highest ideals and goals in life.. and of course it directly shows ones spiritual awareness and level of evolution of the such. Last edited by TheChosen; 07-30-2009 at 03:00 AM. |
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I'm still waiting on the interview. It still boggles my mind that he thinks all ETs are benevolent. He's done wonders for the UFO community and created much needed awareness, however, I'd be lying if I said it didn't bother me he felt that way.
I guess this is just my opinion, but I strongly feel the malevolent ETs are a very key role, if not THE ROLE, within the foundation of the NWO. That concerns me greatly. Last edited by Tramik; 07-30-2009 at 05:57 PM. |
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This forum is sort of a philosophical food(for thought)fight. There is no test of faith...so to speak. You can think and believe anything...and talk about it. This doesn't mean that everyone will pay attention...or that everyone will be supportive. This is a philosophical smorgasbord...and we all have to pick and choose. To each his own.
Steven Greer is doing a lot of good...but it is very important to listen to all sides...before arriving at any conclusions. Regarding the Baha'i faith...I sort of like them...but I would never join. Seals and Crofts were Baha'i. I'm looking for religion to transition from obedience and worship...to humanistic spirituality and enlightenment. We will probably always need churches and clergy...but not in their present form and role. Politics and Religion are central to virtually all of the subjects discussed in this forum...whether we like it or not. But there is so much pain and baggage associated with Politics and Religion. That's why we're warned not to talk about it. People tend to become very emotional and opinionated. A Disinfo Agent may still reveal critical pieces of the puzzle...but don't buy everything they say. I tend to think that a lot of prominent whistleblowers and researchers have insider approval, support, and protection. I don't see how they would otherwise be able to do what they do. There must be multiple insider factions struggling for power. It frightens me to think about this. The stakes are so high. |
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Hi Lorien,
I can see your point about 'Stephen'. In the good old days people would hold up documents, would show photographic evidence, would cite names. People like Alex Jones try to do this, although he has had a few embarrasing moments recently, there's a Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan who shows footage of what he claims are light orbs, Richard Hoagland is another that puts reasonable logical evidence out there, even John lear did this in the past. Nowadays it appears that less 'evidence' is needed, just a nod and a wink and a quick endorsement..... or is that just me being more synical in my old age? Best regards, Steve Quote:
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Individual bits of "evidence" are pretty much worthless. No single picture or video should be enough to convince anyone that UFOs exist. No single testimony should be enough. A lot of corroborated testimony from individuals with nothing to gain such as in the Disclosure Project starts to be interesting, but not necessarily convincing. If you passively wait for someone to prove this stuff to you, you will never know. You have to actively seek your own experiences. That is what Greer's CSETI program supports, but it is not the only way to go about it. It's not just telepathic contact, there are real physical effects to observe. It 's the physical response to a telepathic interaction that will really get your attention. And no, I'm not interested in "proving" to anyone on this forum using words or pictures that I've experienced this. Go out and get your own experiences. Then you will know. This forum is fine for finding sources of inspiration and background information on areas of interest, but in the end, whether your trying to form a community, learn to survive in the wilderness, or prove to yourself that ETs are visiting earth, you have to get off the computer, get out of your comfort zone, and DO SOMETHING. |
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Laurance Rockefeller was the instigator for public disclosure "...about unidentified flying objects and extraterrestrial life.”
Dr. Steven Greer did have contact with Laurance Rockefeller Rockefeller provided funding for Dr. Greer’s The Project Starlight Coalition (PSC) The PSC was a group CSETI had formed in July 1993 Greer described it as “a voluntary association of researchers, scientists, world leaders and concerned citizens who are dedicated to effecting a non-harmful disclosure on the UFO/ETI (Unidentified Flying Object / Extraterrestrial Intelligence) issue in the near future.” They might as well call it The Distraction Project Laurance Rockefeller UFO Disclosure Initiative to the Clinton White House An interesting article by Philip Coppens http://www.philipcoppens.com/ufo_overlords.html Are the ufo alien extraterrestrial hype a clever cover and camouflage for exotic aerospace directed energy technologies and mind control The Roswell Incident might as well have been staged It would fit in the ridiculous long list of fake false flags If so people there are no alien threat no extraterrestrials to harm us or help us from our own sinister leaders We are left with the interdimensional beings whom our leaders seem to serve Lucifer and his Legions And they do have a mission ... Do you know by now what it is...? Last edited by RedeZra; 07-30-2009 at 09:26 PM. |
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Excuse me, but that was the space for my post. "yes, but there was no sign that said "posting space for Ravens and and Doves only, please click down to next space"." Yes, I understand but I was sitting there before you came and happen to like it. "Well, I have had more paranormal experiences, more abductions, wrote more books, spoke at more conferences and have a bigger web site and a longer beard than you... you who don't even have a crowd of people around you trying to get your attention.... so bug off." Bug off? Insects are a part of the cornacopia of the living universe, so... "So what? So am I...." I don't think I like you (a crowd gathers and people take sides... a tomato flies across the room) (In a couple minutes, chairs, food and even tables and fists are flying among the men until the last man standing is no longer standing... He staggers to his feet, no longer caring who was right or wrong... just punch drunk. In the background, an interview with a South African reseacher on Project Camelot Radio flows from the PA... He stumbles out to the street singing: "I'm a Knocky, you're a Knocky... we all got a Knockied.") ** ** ** Paul, here, saying hello to all. I was finishing a book that was two years in the making and will be of interest to people in California (and I hope elsewhere) and those who can relate to what Miriam Deladado experienced, but in an urban context. The P C Radio archives are wonderful. The ad repeates are a bit much, though. I'm very keen on Micheal Tellenger's South African discoveries as almost 20 years ago a geologist viewing the Santa Monica Mountains found a pattern of large stones that he speculated could be extreamly ancient. I'll look into it and get back to the fourm. Great show, Bill and Kerry... and one of you knows what true classic, non-freebird 70s song is. Peace and Pie, Paul www.ravensanddoves.com |
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Dr. Steven Greer found worthy by ufowatchdog into the hall of shame
Together with such luminaries as Richard C. Hoagland Art Bell Billy Meier and more... |
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