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Old 11-02-2008, 10:25 PM   #26
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I personally do alot more reading than posting, but I for one would be gone for sure if this goes to a paid subscription for one reason:
I was reading a thread a while back regarding firearms as being an item to have in preparedness. Really interesting, until the thread was shut down because "we don't condone guns".
Thats fine and all since its their site and its free. But if it goes to a pay basis, I think it should be a forum of the people. And if people want to talk about firearms, they should have right without being shutdown.
But I seriously doubt those types of rules would change.

My 2 cents.
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Old 11-02-2008, 11:48 PM   #27
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If I could pay with a laser card or possibly make a bank transfer then I'd stay.
I don't have a credit card, nor do I use paypal.
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Old 11-02-2008, 11:50 PM   #28
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I personally do alot more reading than posting, but I for one would be gone for sure if this goes to a paid subscription for one reason:
I was reading a thread a while back regarding firearms as being an item to have in preparedness. Really interesting, until the thread was shut down because "we don't condone guns".
Thats fine and all since its their site and its free. But if it goes to a pay basis, I think it should be a forum of the people. And if people want to talk about firearms, they should have right without being shutdown.
But I seriously doubt those types of rules would change.

My 2 cents.
Is that true? Guns don't kill...people kill.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:30 AM   #29
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Charge for truth? Come on now.

Well if your going to charge for seeking the truth and reporting back to us that would be worthy of charge. I'd pay.

But if you've got truth all figured out and feel the need to charge for it, well that sounds like your getting organized. What a minute, are you guys starting a church?
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Old 11-03-2008, 01:01 AM   #30
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Some people want to remain undetected on forums like Avalon as credit cards track the identity of users.

I agree with a paypal donation system giving members the choice
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Old 11-03-2008, 01:16 AM   #31
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There has been an explosion of activity in the last 2 months with copious amounts of information shared. IMO a sliding scale of useful information, resources and links vs personal opinions will adjust to the latter in the next coming months so people may not want to pay for another's opinion..just like mine right now

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Old 11-03-2008, 01:19 AM   #32
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I will leave to.

I can pay but i will not because Bill & Kerry say they want their info for free in most interviews.

But i think this will keep away the people who post disinfo and bullocks.
But then again what are mods for, deleting disinfo and bullocks

So i hope it stays free, but it is your domain do what u feel is right.

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Old 11-03-2008, 02:26 AM   #33
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I want it to stay free.
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:27 AM   #34
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Ditto on the idea of opening a paypal account for voluntary donations.
I know allot of independent sites/news don't charge for subscription but they ask for donations in order to keep funding their service since they are non-for-profit but at least then we have the choice.
When we can and want, we can donate and when we can't, we still can be a part of this.
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:35 AM   #35
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As an aside, I notice that all the objectors to paying a fee are looking at what information they get out of the forum. I have not noticed anyone voice an opinion on what information they can contribnute to the forum.

Strikes me that they are a bunch of takers and not givers.
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:45 AM   #36
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whenever you are asked for money, raise your eyebrows..... because it´s not a good thing at all.
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:50 AM   #37
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Strikes me that they are a bunch of takers and not givers.
Please don't refer about my sexual peferences again.....
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:04 AM   #38
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First, I just want to say, if the PTB here need funds to keep the site going, then I say its time to pony up. If the people who run this site need money and want to pursue the posters here to get it, I say go ahead. As the poster says in in the first episode of Futurama, "you gotta' do what you gotta' do."

Secondly, it is not a matter of "will I leave," so much as it is "I have no choice." I cannot contribute moniterily under subscription rules. But I bear no ill will - I'll still come and read every now and again, and I wish all here, Bill and Kerry, and our friends beyond the behind, good will and happy future.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:06 AM   #39
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I personally do alot more reading than posting, but I for one would be gone for sure if this goes to a paid subscription for one reason:
I was reading a thread a while back regarding firearms as being an item to have in preparedness. Really interesting, until the thread was shut down because "we don't condone guns".
Thats fine and all since its their site and its free. But if it goes to a pay basis, I think it should be a forum of the people. And if people want to talk about firearms, they should have right without being shutdown.
But I seriously doubt those types of rules would change.

My 2 cents.

I've advocated, several times, for firearms on my "For Survivors Eyes Only" thread - its been here for over a month, and the mods haven't cut it off.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:16 AM   #40
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Please don't refer about my sexual peferences again.....
OOPS! I didn't mean to expose you
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:20 AM   #41
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I've advocated, several times, for firearms on my "For Survivors Eyes Only" thread - its been here for over a month, and the mods haven't cut it off.
Yeah I don't know then, I just remember that thread because it was exclusive to firearms.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:26 AM   #42
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ask for donations in a creative way where it is always in front of us. there will be days i will be inspired to give and days I wont- make it easy and conveniant, allow people who donate unlimited posts, but only allow 2 or three a week for non- donators. The people who support get more perks and points, because they are carrying the poad. It would be fair that way. Make the floor donation level very easy- like a five dollar for that month. Dont do auto debet- give us a month to month option. No one likes "to cancel" . If I donate that month I get more access and more posts.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:58 AM   #43
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It does not matter to me and already donated money last month for support of Bill and Kerry's work.
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:26 AM   #44
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i have sent in donations, from time to time
(small ones)
however, every little bit helps,
and, i did it, because i believed it was about many,
NOT, about just a few

personally, i was told,
we are allowed "to network"
and, that is what, it is, to be about
(if you look at the members lists/and,
hit date joined)
how many of the early people are posting a lot ???
(never looked at that, but,
i'll bet that list would be interesting)

when posts, get taken down
because someone puts in where to buy something
(rather, than answer, 101 emails)
i do NOT have the time, to answer that many emails
and, it plugs up, my in box - due to 50 max. allowed
and, the posts disappear

if a moderator is going to pull a thread
i might remind them--Kerry; and, Bill
have both stated,
that the purpose of avalon is to network

that means, providing information; with posts
the what /and, the why,
SO, why am i paying / OR contributing
to be deleted/and, edited ???
(esp. if the info, is NOT off topic)

WHY would i want to pay to network on a site,
that, my posts are taken down for networking ???
(that makes NO sense)

also, if a moderator pulls a thread
it might be an idea, to forward a copy to the person,
and, the reason !!!

kerry and bill, BOTH say it is OK, to network
(moderators, then, are NOT allowing that,
and, it is even on the front page
the purpose of avalon is to network information ???)
that should include the ability to put in a url
(whether we benefit, or do NOT benefit from it)
we are NOT all here, to provide "good input"
and, do it all for FREE

that is NOT bill nor kerry's original intent,
and, neither should it be our intent,
we are here, to exchange, with others
and, do that, to our best abilities
(currently, that does NOT happen here,
we are deleted/edited, and, even restricted here
from doing just that)

So, the original information given to us,
of why to be here, was misleading,
and, NOT the original purpose
that was given to many of us is occuring

(many of us, spent a lot of time helping out,
and, those efforts, are NOT seen to be appreciated,
NOR, have they been recongised,
it is, as if, we do NOT exist,
and, i know, it is NOT just me,
who feels this way, there are many,
who have shared their thoughts, beneath the surface,
and, it is rather sad--most of them have left,
or, post/or visit the site now, infrequently
it is a good thing, we developed "radiant zones"

it also, would be nice
if both Kerry, and, Bill,
had a thread, where they shared their knowledge,
although, i do know,
this has taken off like a rocket ship,
there is still NO EXCUSE,
for very little/or no communication...
so, i would like to see each of them,
with a thread, telling us, something of value,
each and every day

Also, there was a comment
that what we type, is their property...
could we have some confirmation on that,
is it , their property,
do they plan to quote where the content orginated from ???

OR, is there some sort of hidden agenda
to plagurize us ???

thank you
susan
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:49 AM   #45
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I haven't the foggiest idea what a forum like this costs to run but I do have an inkling of the cost of travelling the world to videotape interviews. So are those who won't pay to visit the forum, prepared to pay to see the videos instead?

In other words, user pays. The cost per individual would be nowhere near what it costs Bill and Kerry to travel and record the interviews which are very professionally done.

Some people spend money on alcohol, drugs and cigarettes. How many of those who do, won't pay to subscribe to this forum?

Please don't think I'm a moralist trying to show people the "right way." I'm just shining a light on what people consider to be an acceptable cost for them in their journey through life at this time. .
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:55 AM   #46
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I think if the owners just said how much they need for say, the next year, then asked for donations they'd be covered. Those who can, will. I have no doubt.

If that doesn't work, then charge dues...but I think it would be fine.

Also, I agree with eXchanger 100%.
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:56 AM   #47
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Yes Brinty I agree whole heartedly. Bill and Kerry do travel the world and put their videos and so forth up for free - so I think if people haven't got anything to pay - what if they just send a token of what they might be able to spare - just a thought.
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:21 AM   #48
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Yes Brinty I agree whole heartedly. Bill and Kerry do travel the world and put their videos and so forth up for free - so I think if people haven't got anything to pay - what if they just send a token of what they might be able to spare - just a thought.
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Personally I wouldn't leave if this Forum is a paid subscription however most people will feel that since they are paying they have the right to post a broad spectrum of viewpoints without being censored by the moderators...that being the case you'll find this Forum full of "clutter not worth reading" and certainly not worth paying for to read!
Credit card payments and Paypal don't appeal to me much and I can only send a very small donation (American MO) when I am able.
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:35 AM   #49
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I'd consider paying. I think the some of the posting and links has been absolutely brilliant, full of wisdom and knowledge - taking aside some of the c.r.a.p people bring here. Other than that, I'd have no hesitation whatsoever.

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Old 11-03-2008, 07:11 AM   #50
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According to this poll, it looks like that many members may leave the forum. Please continue the poll. And tell us why you think Avalon should be free.
I would like for you to tell why it would become a paid subscription forum, if it does.
And under witch conditions ...

For now i'd have to say ... I'd leave
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