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Old 02-15-2010, 03:55 AM   #1
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Default The Heather Material

I started reading the pdf and very quickly ended up simply reading Bill Ryans comments and decided the pdf wasn't really worth my time. Bill asks very good critical thinking questions to vet this story and we the reader never receive any answer to them. Apparently he hasn't received any answers either.

Will Kerry believe anything? Is this material worthy of being posted on the front page of PC? Who the heck is Marco?

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Old 02-15-2010, 04:04 AM   #2
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I just find myself rolling my eyes and shaking my head. Kerry and Bill are splitting off on different paths. Kerry the path of gullibility and Bill the path of credibility. Not a big surprise.
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Old 02-15-2010, 04:17 AM   #3
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I`m not surprised the least by this T3J
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Old 02-15-2010, 04:31 AM   #4
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Yeah, read it as well. I still do not know if this Heather actually posted on Avalon herself. It all seems like second, or third, hand info. So I remain undecided.

One thing is for certain,
if you are a whistle blower...

Do not ask a retired boxer & an nypd flunky to handle Public Relations.

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Marcus Sparacio seems to be his real name. Does no one use google here??

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Old 02-15-2010, 05:07 AM   #5
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Yeah I have the rest of her info, nine folders of the stuff, so if it is just crap, it should be entertaining eh? and thats Kickboxer Shaman, try not to cut your self on your razor sharp wit lol

to adress certain aspects, what I told heather was in good faith, yes I speak languages and I practices Mauy Thai, and this was my trade for some years, I have a few weird dreams, I am hardly a super solider, and right now with health issues I can't jump out of bed in the morning, hell if you look on my facebook page, you can see a spider bite almost finished me off a few weeks ago as it got sepsis and it went to my heart, real nasty bite! I am still on meds

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...7&id=597427323

hopefully you guys can see the pic I am not good at this.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...c&id=597427323


so yeah, I am feeling good now though but that bite kicked the crap out of me.

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Old 02-15-2010, 05:52 AM   #6
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People should not be so hasty.

When somebody exposes explosive material, gets banned, then 2 threads get closed.......well, well, well...... my antennas went up real fast......... and not to mention personal emails are now posted for all to read.......

We should already know by now how cover-ups are usually handled.
Either by silence, stalling or by attacking the personalities involved.

Personally, I think it's wise to wait before we make any judgments.
Just my 2 cents
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Old 02-15-2010, 03:49 PM   #7
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Yeah I have the rest of her info, nine folders of the stuff, so if it is just crap, it should be entertaining eh?
Any idea when we are going to be able to see this information?

Also, I hope you are feeling better now and stay safe.
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:10 PM   #8
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You can see it right now on the camelot homepage. Once you review it and see Bills notes he put in it, it becomes fairly obvious why we are reacting the way we are.
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:01 PM   #9
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Oh, Bill made notes on the nine folders of stuff?

Great, I will go check.
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:39 PM   #10
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It's nice to see Bill's comments. The people coming forward with this info didn't prove anything to Bill yet, and are very rude. I think it's quite simple. Unless Bill can be convinced and proof shown to him, time and energy can't be wasted on people who make their point with an aggressive attitude. It doesn't mean they are dishonnest. It just means they act as if they can afford to be arrogant because they speak on behalf of a whistleblower, who doesn't seem to exist... and that's a problem.

If you 2 are telling the truth about this whistleblower, you're not helping this woman at all with your attitude. If you won't do it for yourselves, do it for her and be nice to Bill and us, at least until you can prove something to Bill.

Since Marcus Sparacio aka Armake went out of his way to post here that he's on youtube, it means he expect people to go see for themselves. Marcus Sparacio is that you on this video? Please be nice if you reply.




And here's a good read if you wonder whether you're gullible or not:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
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Old 02-15-2010, 07:22 PM   #11
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It's nice to see Bill's comments. The people coming forward with this info didn't prove anything to Bill yet, and are very rude. I think it's quite simple. Unless Bill can be convinced and proof shown to him, time and energy can't be wasted on people who make their point with an aggressive attitude. It doesn't mean they are dishonnest. It just means they act as if they can afford to be arrogant because they speak on behalf of a whistleblower, who doesn't seem to exist... and that's a problem.

If you 2 are telling the truth about this whistleblower, you're not helping this woman at all with your attitude. If you won't do it for yourselves, do it for her and be nice to Bill and us, at least until you can prove something to Bill.

Since Marcus Sparacio aka Armake went out of his way to post here that he's on youtube, it means he expect people to go see for themselves. Marcus Sparacio is that you on this video? Please be nice if you reply.




And here's a good read if you wonder whether you're gullible or not:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
I'm going to catch grief for this but ....oh well.

Again...I know none of these folks so I come at this from what is displayed and had not a whole lot of opinion on this before a few days ago.

I deal in facts...what I can see and touch and logically deduce

The IP thing - If you are basing guilt or innocence on that....I can have 5 different IPs before I stop typing this sentence...Big places with lots of room broadcast 1 IP address to the world

If you are basing it on what Bill revealed early on:

The IP address the same...See above and the fact that Ben had multiple logons...Missing was the fact that Ben had created them after he was banned in an attempt to have access to Avalon

His reasons for wanting on so badly was his own...I would have probably done the same

The above video of one of his defenders....really seems like a smear campaign...I'm an okay guy but I have bad days...and I also don't publish myself as an edgy game reviewer...so the Video of the guy losing his mind on the vid game is really inappropriate.

Avalon is better than how this is playing out....

Peace Y'all
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Old 02-15-2010, 07:24 PM   #12
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Avalon is better than how this is playing out....

Peace Y'all
i agree
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:42 PM   #13
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i read the pdf and bills notes. how bill noted the information presented is how i mentally picutre all information that i look at. nobody knows anything for sure about anything. interesting as always and filed away in the memory of things ive heard or read. ive digested the information but that does not mean that i think its true or beleive anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubDnE...eature=related
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Old 02-15-2010, 09:51 PM   #14
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I agree that video of Marco made in 2008 was silly and pretty wild, but those gamers are into those things, but it was tagged as a comedy.

Who has done things in the past that they wish they could just forget about?

Like Stargazer, I only deal in facts and think it looks like a smear campaign.

This is not about Marco, it's about Heather's material. ALL of it.
We can make up our own minds once everything is released.

I just want to know why it is taking so long for somebody to make some kind of statement.
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Old 02-15-2010, 10:55 PM   #15
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My observations on the PDF...for what it's worth. I'm not a specialist in any field but I will draw on my experience as a hobbyist writer.

Firstly, without a shadow of any doubt the whole file is poorly written. It is not consistent with the level of an education a qualified MD / scientist would have. Spelling, grammar and punctuation. Is there evidence this was written in hast? Even then I would have thought someone’s cognitive abilities be second nature.

I got the distinct impression two authors were involved. The second author’s grammatical composition was very poor. Was it written from memory by another author?

Not only that it seemed 2 stories we're being spliced into one. This could be due to the second author’s grammar / writing ability but those areas of composition relate off the main narrative to a third party.

I am not expert or hold a say here. Just stating my observations of the text.

No consultation fee sort or required. No copyright implied. Free for public use and recommend everything be put behind us.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:00 PM   #16
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It sort of reads like some of the stuff that comes out in some people's past life sessions, and I have heard a much of this before.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:39 PM   #17
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I originally thought it was a good decision made by Bill for the reason that the entire situation seemed very shady and should have been nipped in the bud before it went any further.
I also agree with Kerry that everyone should get their chance to speak their truth and I felt I judged too quickly.

Be that as it may, if a 'whistleblower', writing that term is beginning to make me feel nauseous more and more lately wants to put out their information and use Camelot as their venue, there were other more productive ways to do it instead of this convoluted way now causing infighting between them, was this their intended purpose?

I do agree with all who say this woman "Heather" does not sound very well educated especially given she was supposed to be an MD. It sounds more like she was a lacky that didn't have any command of herself or what she did at all.

Maybe they are all that way working for the ptb, slaves to them, again who really knows.

Until we see all the material complete with substantiated proof I don't know how true this story is, or maybe it is precisely that....a story.

I would also add there are many who would love to break apart Camalot and Project Avalon, and who wouldn't think twice about pulling a stunt like this to darken their credibility.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:59 PM   #18
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This should not be about spelling, grammar, weird personalities or about taking sides.

This is an important SUBJECT MATTER that needs to be examined. That is what needs to be explored.

Those of us who have done our research on these type of black operations are extremely interested in ALL material that is available.

We can't put our heads in the sand and just pretend that these projects are not being done behind our backs.

I say present ALL the material and interviews and let us decide if this is a hoax or not.
We are not children and can make up our own minds based on the evidence.
Just my 2 cents

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Old 02-16-2010, 12:04 AM   #19
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This should not about spelling, grammar, weird personalities or about taking sides.

This is an important SUBJECT MATTER that needs to be examined. That is what needs to be explored.

Those of us who have done our research on these type of black operations are extremely interested in ALL material that is available.

We can't put our heads in the sand and just pretend that these projects are not being done behind our backs.

I say present ALL the material and interviews and let us decide if this is a hoax or not.
We are not children and can make up our own minds based on the evidence.
Just my 2 cents
So ... do Bill & Kerry interview every man and his dog? Become your own disinfo agent? If so how credible would a genuine whistleblower be seen in all that lot?

Surely some discernment if preferable.
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Old 02-16-2010, 12:10 AM   #20
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Do you not want to see the complete files and the interview that Kerry already did before you make a decision?

WHY are 2 threads still closed about this subject?
Why is there still silence?

Yes, discernment is always in order.
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Old 02-16-2010, 12:25 AM   #21
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Do you not want to see the complete files and the interview that Kerry already did before you make a decision?

WHY are 2 threads still closed about this subject?
Why is there still silence?

Yes, discernment is always in order.
I dare say I would read everything involved here but it's not. The threadee invited discussion. Working off what little info is actually supplied.... namely the pdf, it seems very dubious.

If there was a prior email or conversation that pdf was not written by the author then that would change my opinion. We'll have to wait and see.
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Old 02-16-2010, 12:56 AM   #22
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WHY are 2 threads still closed about this subject?
Why is there still silence?
We said in another thread, this was probably going to take several days - not to mention it is a holiday weekend in the USA and people are busy with personal lives, etc. Also, the moderators here are volunteers, from time zones all around the world, with lives busy with work and personal activities - it is much more difficult to get a meeting of these minds than one might imagine.

As we saw with Henry Deacon - whistleblowers come out and say some things, then they can get scared and isolate themselves, sometimes repeating this cycle, and sometimes never coming out again.

I have an email message from Kinsuemei2 that he wants to pull back from this.

When we are talking about super soldiers and MKUltra stuff, this is a very dangerous and risky area - as was seen when one venue after another pulled out of planning a conference, all saying the same phrase, "we cannot accommodate you", until it was necessary to postpone the conference.

We had people who were going to release more information and post it to the Kinsuemei2 thread that is closed, but they have changed their minds. Believe me, none of this is orchestrated on the part of the moderators - we have just been caught in the middle of some explosive issues. We'll see what happens over the next few days, but at this time, there is no further information.
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Old 02-16-2010, 01:02 AM   #23
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Thanks for your post Karen.

I KNOW how explosive this subject is and hopefully we, the public will finally get the truth about these forbidden projects that can destroy mankind.
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Old 02-16-2010, 01:16 AM   #24
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I have a couple of personal remarks regarding this entire subject.

1. Release the material with personal disclaimers from Bill and/or Kerry if any of them wish to do so. The notes in the PDF file is more than sufficient in my view along with a personal disclaimer. Personal disclaimers has been done before on PC, and so it should be done regarding all subjects\whistle-blowers in all that is fair, in my view.

2. Do not for any reason release IP addresses or any personal details that can risk the identity of the whistle-blower, no matter what the case may be. This should go without question in all cases.

This is about all I have to say regarding this subject.

Best regards,

Tommy

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Old 02-16-2010, 09:31 PM   #25
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I have an email message from Kinsuemei2 that he wants to pull back from this.

When we are talking about super soldiers and MKUltra stuff, this is a very dangerous and risky area
- as was seen when one venue after another pulled out of planning a conference, all saying the same phrase, "we cannot accommodate you", until it was necessary to postpone the conference.

We had people who were going to release more information and post it to the Kinsuemei2 thread that is closed, but they have changed their minds. Believe me, none of this is orchestrated on the part of the moderators - we have just been caught in the middle of some explosive issues.
We'll see what happens over the next few days, but at this time, there is no further information.
I do not know Kinsuemei2 , but fear for his safety.

Those who have done their homework in this area understand HOW explosive this subject matter is.

I only hope that all the parties are safe and will be allowed to show their evidence and were not silenced.

I am hoping that Kerry will release the interview with Kinsuemei2 and the 9 Heather files he spoke of to warn mankind.

Some of us know that many of those sci-fi movies and video games had truth hidden inside of them.

Luckily, many are now connecting the dots and can see through the deception and can spot the debunkers.

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