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Old 12-16-2009, 06:22 PM   #26
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Would anyone be willing to either either post or pm me a list of the particularly annoying and recently active trolls? I know this is very lazy of me but I literally have only a few minutes a week to read this forum at all anymore. I feel overwhelmed even trying to keep up with the discussions at all. I'd prefer not to waste any precious time dealing with the nonsense and would simply put all trolls on "ignore".
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:30 PM   #27
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Why would one want to automatically ignore people, because someone else says they're trolls?

Ok, you say you don't have a lot of time to sort through junk. I get that. Don't blame you for that.

But to IGNORE, think that that symbolically is. You're IGNORING another point of view. Probably one you might not agree with, or support but the fact that you are cutting yourself off from even CONSIDERING it...

I don't know- seems kinda like putting on blinders to me.

Like when some people IGNORE all the BAD things in this world, because it tarnishes their beautiful minds to think about such things... that's not balance, that's BS. And that's not being fully human.

As someone said in this thread, 'trolls' can sometimes be great sources of information.
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:34 PM   #28
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Why would you want to automatically ignore people, because someone else says they're trolls?
It went without saying that the list would have to have come from someone whose judgment I trust. I do "know" many of the longtime posters.

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Ok, you say you don't have a lot of time to sort through junk. I get that.
That's it, really, in a nutshell.

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But to IGNORE, think that that symbolically is. You're IGNORING another point of view. Probably one you might not agree with, or support but the fact that you are cutting yourself off from even CONSIDERING it...

I don't know- seems kinda like putting on blinders to me.

As someone said in this thread, 'trolls' can sometimes be great sources of information.
I have spent a lot of time in various internet forums, including this one. I am quite certain that trolls will not contribute anything useful, to me at least.
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:48 PM   #29
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371 it is much different to come in start a thread and let the thread flow but when one comes in and visits several threads to provoke a response then leave and start a thread you are not going to get any meaning full discussions. First you have people upset at the derailing of their threads second when you come in with a swagger like you know it all and the members here don`t have a clue because they don`t share yours or Michael`s views then what would you expect would happen.

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As someone said in this thread, 'trolls' can sometimes be great sources of information.
That was Dood and yes he is correct ignoring trolls is not the appropriate way to deal with them for shutting ones self out from information limits what one can learn . That being said if you have something to share ..... Share it with out being an agent of disruption if that is to difficult then you can always go back to A/V and spin ones wheels

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Old 12-16-2009, 06:53 PM   #30
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371 it is much different to come in start a thread and let the thread flow but when one comes in and visits several threads to provoke a response then leave and start a thread you are not going to get any meaning full discussions. First you have people upset at the derailing of their threads second when you come in with a swagger like you know it all and the members here don`t have a clue because they don`t share yours or Michael`s views then what would you expect would happen.


So what would you suggest to do , if you feel one of your threads is going..."off topic" andd getting out of hand?
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:54 PM   #31
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Northern Boy,

I can only speak for myself and my own actions.

And I didn't know anyone had a problem with me... other than you.
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:27 PM   #32
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*celine offers Nothern Boy and 371 a cup of hot tea *

How would you both...peacefully...resolve this issue? what is the quickest way?
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:31 PM   #33
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How would you both...peacefully...resolve this issue? what is the quickest way?
It's just stuff from the past... nothing to do with here and now.

Not even between me and him, matter of fact.

I'm over it, he apparently isn't.
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:44 PM   #34
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Never said i had a problem with you 371 you seem to think I do . Your posts have not reflected any thing close to what Michael was doing . Your participation so far from what i have seen has been respectful of others . I`m sure if he would have approached things similar to how you have he would still be posting. He choose the road he did for a reason what ever it is things didn`t work out for him


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So what would you suggest to do , if you feel one of your threads is going..."off topic" andd getting out of hand?
Everyone deals with this in their own way some prefer to not give it any energy Others will look at the members posts going back for a couple of days to get an idea of what they have been posting about and the tone of their posts . Still others will jump in and the flame wars begin . Some sit back and wait till the Provocateur has been allowed enough rope then they tie up the loose ends and let them have it
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:48 PM   #35
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ok...but which way would you choose to stop a flamming thread?
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:51 PM   #36
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ok...but which way would you choose to stop a flamming thread?
Depends on the situation, i think.

Some you can tackle with a garden hose. Others you need to call out the fire department.

But honestly some fires are best left to consume themselves and burn out.
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:54 PM   #37
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Good point...but fire ...can bring on new life too...
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Old 12-16-2009, 08:00 PM   #38
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Good point...but fire ...can bring on new life too...
Absolutely.

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Old 12-16-2009, 08:08 PM   #39
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Eventually the mods will come in to either cool things off or close the thread . There is nothing wrong with having a discussion of opposing view points its healthy but when someone comes into a thread and posts stuff like what happened to Brook and is generally being disruptive in several threads without offering any thing up in return that cross`s a line and they should be reported to a mod and that mod should deal with it promptly I`m not saying they haven`t been but that is one way of dealing with it
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Old 12-16-2009, 09:52 PM   #40
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i was meaning that i myself have been a troll a high number of times, when i was more passionate than now. And, that i myself feed trolls from time to time. Nothing i feel ashamed of , though.

Getting to 30, makes you reconsider your position, lol. Actually, you get old!

I can say that, if one thing a troll has, is a raging passion any other non troll hasn´t. Sometimes, some trolls are awesome sources of information.
I picked up those vibes from you...wow..I am getting really good at it...
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Old 12-16-2009, 09:56 PM   #41
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ok...but which way would you choose to stop a flamming thread?
I was instantly reminded of a quote from the movie "Aliens"...

"Take off, nuke the entire site from orbit. Only way to be sure."

But then, considering my stellar attempt at civility on the last page... perhaps not.

I still like the japanese term:

Mokusatsu: To kill with silence.
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Old 12-16-2009, 10:04 PM   #42
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I think it's important to remember that someone who disagrees with us or has a different opinion isn't a troll.

Trolling is personal attacks. Sometimes people yell 'TROLL" when no personal attack was made. When that happens, the accuser becomes the troll and it goes downhill from there.
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Old 12-16-2009, 10:26 PM   #43
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I'd beware more of hobbits and leprechauns.

You can't trust those that have rings or pots of gold.
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Old 12-16-2009, 11:10 PM   #44
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I'd beware more of hobbits and leprechauns.

You can't trust those that have rings or pots of gold.
But what if you met Frodo Bagins???
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Old 12-16-2009, 11:58 PM   #45
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What I've used to deal whit attackers and provocateurs is I don't answer them back on their attacks and negativity. If I answer it only means there will be more responses and so it continues if I would keep answering.

Someone has to stop.

I appeared here in not my intended way I would have liked. I took a risk, and it was a real risk looking at the responses I've gotten by some members in the threads.

Never have I been treated this way elsewhere than here! Not in real life nor internet. Damn my 6 months army conscription time was better!

In real life few people have tried to bully me a few times. But I won't allow them by not responding to their provocation. If they really try something I go back against them. I have nothing to gain from them or their behaviour and won't accept it either.
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:06 AM   #46
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kamikaze, Scarab....you are SW, TrurhWalker, Investigator...
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:09 AM   #47
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kamikaze, Scarab....you are SW, TrurhWalker, Investigator...
Based on what?
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Old 12-17-2009, 08:50 AM   #48
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WE are eachother people.

And the sooner WE realize this the better off WE will all be.

The heart of this thread has alot to do with what has become of our current paradigm.
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:18 PM   #49
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I think it's important to remember that someone who disagrees with us or has a different opinion isn't a troll.

Trolling is personal attacks. Sometimes people yell 'TROLL" when no personal attack was made. When that happens, the accuser becomes the troll and it goes downhill from there.
Actually the term troll, online comes from the fishing terms...trolling...so anyone that "baits" others with insults or any other tactic...would be considered a troll
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Old 12-17-2009, 07:47 PM   #50
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WE are eachother people.

And the sooner WE realize this the better off WE will all be.

The heart of this thread has alot to do with what has become of our current paradigm.
this is true, but if you do not like what you are thinking, what do you do ?

I change my thoughts so I refuse to listen to someone that seems to want to put a type of "threat" towards me or anyone else.
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