Clearing up avalon

[Ampgod]

Well done.

[Frank Samuel]

Go Carol go!!! Negativity breeds negativity, I wish we can all be above that. So much to learn so little time. A big hug to all

[MMe M]

Originally Posted by Tuza

I have just read the last six posts on this thread and I am a bit confused about the ban concerning posting negative comments. This needs to be clarified somewhat as "posting negative comments" is a bit subjective I think. Do you negative comments to another poster, negative comments about certain people, viz-a-viz whistleblowers, posting negative comments re negative news concerning reports one has found for information of forum members.

I presuming it has to do with negative comments about other posters, individual members or whistleblowers but clarification might be prudent.

Yeah cause ya know like while were all sitting on the beach like focusing on the positive aspects holding back the tidal wave, we like cant have a negative poster on tha Avalon. Gawd, like thats too scary, like im totally not feeling the energy now. Like ... way too frenetic dude. Were like just doomed and nobody brought their sticks man.

[broken arrow]

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[IRKCOD]

Good work, it needs to be done.

Stick to the original concepts.
The Clean-out is not censorship it is an attempt to bring the forum back to its purpose.

The mystic and religious are relevant on the appropriate forum. If deemed appropriate - one linked to this one as Camelot is.

Personally, I have an interest in both but would like to see them differentiated, as trolling through the treads can be 'off-putting' and is leading to the loss of good 'ideas' posted by other members.

Also we should be here to help one-another and not to 'slag' other members or concepts we do not agree with.

[Seven]

CLEAR UP is fine by me

In dutch we have an expression "ik kon door de bomen het bos niet meer zien" translating it to English might look silly "I could no longer see the forest due to to many trees"
That was the feeling I got here, in the past week ... I even was thinking of leaving because of it.

So ... Bill, Kerry, The Mods and Researchers ... I appreciate the work you are putting in to it ...

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Average Joe

Who decides what is a disparaging or negative post? Negative as compared to what? I disagree with a fair few of the views on various threads, does that make me negative?

Negative as in negative attitude, and negative as related to the companion word, disparaging. I see no evidence the "negative" topics, such as in the category of "doom and gloom" are a problem.

Also negative as outlined by Carol throughout the first post to this topic.
"trash THE FORUM OWNERS, THE MODS, THE FORUM OR ANY MEMBER OF THE FORUM. " Treating others with disrespect or breaking any of the other rules. I suggest reading through the post again.

Just as an example, please do not take this out of context. Here would be a "negative" reply to your question and all the other's that piped in also ... "Duh morons, by kindergarden most have figured out what is negative treatment of others." The first part of my reply is simply factual and attempts to be kind, or at least neutral no personal attacks, no name calling, no sarcasm.

I hope this helps. I can clarify more if need be. To me it's very obvious - it is disrespectful, it trashes something other than yourself. It hurts.

Karen

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Seven

"I could no longer see the forest due to to many trees"

And the blind man answers, What is a forest, and how do I see it?

Lets define Negativity:

Mods correct me If I feel this wrong, or add to the viewpoint at will.

Negativity is not a viewpoint/perception on a world affair, that might affect a lot/all of us,
(Hell it is not that Ground Crews and radiant sites are prepared or introduced as idea as an alternative for community forms or communities that are existing right now.) but more, a post/reply clearly intended to hurt either the person/the forum/the community or their selfesteem, and said attacks are based on the thoughts posted here.. Negativity neither is failing to agree with the points presented in a post.. Different people, Different perceptions. Otherwise every post becomes a little dictators decree.

Let me give an example..

"NASA has spotten an asteroid, that can with a high degree of accuracy be prophetised to hit Earth.. "

Is not negative. And if you are without fear, It is just information that could either be true or not True, Time will tell in this case. To some the Orson Welles Radio show back then was just that.. A radio play... The War on the worlds.... Other flew of the track in Fear..

vs
You are comparable to a steaming pile of ... for saying that! What am I going to tell my children.
Are you crazy?
(Or, and I have to confess, I am pretty good :-) at this one.. Telling the truth, with "Are you Childish? Grow Up!" Although It is meant positive.. It is a 2x4 slam dunk right on the minds eye. And the more blownup the Ego is, the harder is the reaction that is provoked.)

Further more, there are all kinds of discussion techniques out there to distort or distroy good thought exchanges between members..
Fallacies come to mind as in http://www.onegoodmove.org/fallacy/toc.htm
Or shill techniques http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html or http://www.benfrank.net/disinfo/

Also..... Tone... Tone...

Compare
"ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"
to
"OK people, there is a problem, and we have to take it by the horns to solve it" ;-)
.
Imagine what the reaction to your words will be, if everyone would be present in a crowd, and you have to present your ideas...

I hope this helps clearing some spots that were left behind by the broom.
(And most times cleaning up is nothing more then moving unwanted things from one place to the other but always out of sight.)
Lets change by not making unwanted things.

"Yes we Can" ;-)

btw, It is the same "you" in this virtual world of ideas, and out there in the forest..
What seed will you plant?

[Karen]

Nice post and explanation TranceAm. I agree.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Carol

Title/ Points/ Expires/ Warning
Inappropriate Language 1 10 Day(s)
Signature Rule Violation 1 10 Day(s)
Spammed Advertisements 1 10 Day(s)
Insulted Other Member(s) 2 30 Day(s)
Spreading Negativity 3 30 Day(s)
Pornography 100 Never

I hope this clarification that I am posting does not make things worse

The category names are not definitions of the rules. Please don't infer that because there is a "Spreading Negativity" category that this means we will suppress debate. Our main guidelines are the forum guidelines and what is important (ie: on-topic) for the Avalon mission.

Some elaboration:

1) A moderator can give an infraction with 0 points, this is called a WARNING.

2) Those "Day(s)" you see in the quote from Carols post can and usually are overridden. When an infraction is given the moderator can set an expiry date. At the expiry date the infraction is removed from the count and no longer counts as an infraction. This is important because, since we fixed things, if you were to accrue three active unexpired infractions, you get a ban for 7 days (more on that later).

3) The infraction categories or titles are completely discretionary. A moderator can choose one of the above categories or make up their own that is more in tune with the situation. Our aim is not to insult, and some of the default ones can be insensitive. That is in fact what I normally do, because I don't always agree with the wording of the classifications. For example: I have posted infractions/warnings for posting "Naked Links" or "Multiple Duplicate Postings" with very limited expiry times - so as not to be too harsh. Also, that means if I want I can give an infraction for "Spreading Negativity" for 1 point and make it expire in 1 day. See how it works ? It is flexible and lets us compromise where we can. We love you all really, so thats why it is the way it is.

4) Infractions for very serious causes can be permanent.

5) Infractions are reversible - so in the case of an error of judgment (it can happen, we are human, I know I screwed up one already and I am sorry - you know who you are), or other special cases, infractions can be removed as if they had never happened. This can be done by anyone capable of issuing infractions or the site administrator.

Certain unexpired points thresholds and/or certain quantities of unexpired infractions trigger a ban[1]. The ban always has a reason associated with it, and bans are reversible by the site administrator if needed. The length of an automated ban is rarely more than 7 days, more usually it is 1 day. This gives the administrator time to review and either lengthen or shorten the ban as required. When auto-banning happens, the administrator is notified and can review the situation and fix things if they have gone wrong. Usually an administrator ban, one that is done outside the infraction system is for a serious reason and is almost always permanent.

A..

[1] This is a complex and potentially confusing table, so I don't want to post it - I cant see how it will help anything. Also note that if we get time, we can edit the current infraction defaults and auto-ban parameters, so what Carol posted and what I quoted could in fact change as we tune the system later.

[Swanny]

So many rules and regulations in this forum now
And such a shame that some good people have left or been banned.

Free speech is not allowed now as you have to really think about what your saying and whether or not it will be against one of the many rules.
For example :-
Is this a negative post??

[Carol]

I'm sorry Swanny but these guidelines have been posted here from the onset. Folks just never bothered to look and as a result really good folks left because of how they were poorly treated by other members who didn't follow the guidelines - and all of the negativity that resulted.

This is a very new forum.. and just took off a bit too rapidly for everyone in the back doing the moderation to keep up. Things will sort themselves out and the creme will rise to the top once again after the debris is cleared out.

Everyone knows when gardening that after the seeds have been planted before the garden can grow the weeds must be cleared out.

I know for a fact that many who left also pop back in to see if we've sorted the weeds out yet. They will return to post again if they know the garden is healthy and fruitfull.

[Truth voice 2012]

Originally Posted by Swanny

So many rules and regulations in this forum now
And such a shame that some good people have left or been banned.

Free speech is not allowed now as you have to really think about what your saying and whether or not it will be against one of the many rules.
For example :-
Is this a negative post??

It depends on the life experience so far of the person reading it. For me its balanced logical question. But for others based on the info theyve looked into themselves, you may viewed as a illuminati spy or negative r sumthin, just as some people want to grab a gun and go after the PTB and others would prefere to love and suck nectar from bumble-bee's bottoms n such while civilisation crumbles around them. Personally I dont believe in moderation of anything really. Our pupose here is to expierience this 3D hologram we seem to be stuck in. Some extensions of the source (people) will have a more extreme life experience and others wont.

Avalon seems to have become more than a ground crew hub. It has become a focus point for the part of the mass consiousness that is awake here on earth to argue out the truth from the BS about itself. We all have a part to play. Things will be s**ty here while things are s**t outside. Logically, if things are let to run their course here the light/truth will eventually make the darkness receed as conciousness does its decernment.

Peace & fluffy kittens to you all.

[Truth voice 2012]

Originally Posted by Carol

Everyone knows when gardening that after the seeds have been planted before the garden can grow the weeds must be cleared out.

True but at the same time nature knows that the weeds have an important part to play in creating balance in her garden. From what I can see our whole exsistence is duality. A Lion isnt considered evil because it kills and eats the flesh of another living being. Its just doing its job, Just like the reptilians and just like the light beings (Light meaning good). Its interesting what another member here posted: There are twelve illuminati on avalon. 6 good, 6 bad. Theres that balance again. Just as ive seen some horriffic info here Ive also seen some of the most life changing threads and insights Ive ever seen. That duality again. I think avalon could be at risk at becoming stale with too much moderation. The list of rules there is pretty intense after all.

Im not arguing or anything I really couldnt care less what ye do here. I just said Id offer another perspective. I enjoy coming here after work and spending some in reality but please dont go nuts k?

Love ya lots like jelly tots.

[Swanny]

I agree to much moderation and too many bottom kissing yes men types will make this a very boring place.
Variety is the spice of life

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i think they mean to focus on the original purposeo0f this forum.. creating communities and offering advice and help.. anything else can be discussed on project camelot or other forums

[David]

Keep up the good work Mods.

[capreycorn]

it`s really a "point of view" thing

smells like "teen spirit", the forum is getting through puberty...
or is what goes on here a wee bit like "corporate identity"
which allows no true freedom of speech?

[Xhaosis]

Hmm I am glad things are getting orderly. Carol you sound very orderly.. I just received some very very grimm news today.. Which in part, is exemplifying the whole idea of thinking outside of the box. I still want to refuse to look outside of the idea that everything will be ok if we Just WORK it out, but their is something very very strange in the air, this day and age.. As if right before the dark ages of long ago, I feel a strange stagnation of change about to occur. I feel politics will fail, leaving it only to the strong communities that preserve our nature, and if being here is something to help people get on when something horrible happens then so be it. Our time of reveling in this jubilee of a great society I believe is coming to a end. No matter how much I hope, and dream in our new leadership floating down this stream that is our dream flowing down with a current into a sea called our future, I feel it is daunted with the saliva of the desperate and the blood of the bold. A cloudy haze I see, a mist floating above this liquid, neither warm nor cold.. Just a specimen on a culture, that will be to man's surprise.. A once confident man, just took a moment to run and hide. Just for a moment in a second of time.. It is time to expect the unexpected at all times..

PEACE

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Truth voice 2012

I think avalon could be at risk at becoming stale with too much moderation. The list of rules there is pretty intense after all. Im not arguing or anything I really couldnt care less what ye do here. I just said Id offer another perspective. I enjoy coming here after work and spending some in reality but please dont go nuts k?

From my perspective, the rules here are very much in line with other discussion groups/forums, that have been developed over the many years since they came into being.

As far as freedom to post topics, I don't see much limiting of that; mainly the moderators would appreciate it very much though if members could take a moment or two in thought to post to the correct part of the forum and stay on topic within a thread.

Besides moving threads to their proper place in the scheme of Avalon/Camelot, the other biggie is disrespectful bashing of whomever/whatever and that is what we want to call an end to. If you have problems with the moderators the kosher way to handle that is to PM this information privately to a mod to see if there is some misunderstanding, because that often is the case. Public flaming is banned in most groups/forums.

I see no chance whatsoever of the forum becoming stale.

Karen

[KassandraLoves]

...Isnt this exactly what we agreed to when we signed up?

I liken it to smoking cigarettes your whole life and then getting all angry at the cigarette company when you get throat cancer. Like, "I didnt know these things caused cancer!?" Its on the package. We all know that they can cause cancer. You kinda signed up for it, buddy....

Not sayin that the mods are throat cancer, LOL, just sayin that this is pretty much what we signed up for.

THANKS MODS!!!

[Carol]

Originally Posted by Swanny

I agree to much moderation and too many bottom kissing yes men types will make this a very boring place.
Variety is the spice of life

Swanny, how could it possibly get deadly dull with you here. And those who really know me.. tend to belly laugh quite a lot.

[Carol]

Please welcome the new moderators to our team. They will be traveling around in golden 'type' and are available to assist you should you need someone to turn to for some help.

SAMARKIS - Sara
SUNRUNNER - Steve G
TIMEISSHORT - Jack
HEART OF GOLD - Karen
SEVA - Miki

hmmm..."bottom Kissing Men types". What does that really mean?

I do know that it is a privilege and not a right to post on any private forum. Yes, it is open to the public but privatly owned.
Most people know that each and every forum has guidelines/rules.
Why should this place be any different?

[Truth voice 2012]

No probs Karen. Didnt mean to make a curfuffle. I just like observing the duality of everything. Its interesting stuff.

Its just when some people here will have to pretend to be nice it gets a little less interesting. I was always able to get any info I needed from this forum even with all the other crazy stuff so I dont really mind. I agree with you on the abuse thing to some degree and I have no issues with any of the avalon team. Were all here at this time for a reason.

Peace out

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