A little reminder...

[GregorArturo]

It's funny when you see all this drama taking off online with us, the supposed enlightened minds of society. Do people forget that this is all just an illusion?

Another interesting thing to think about is the Vedas are supposedly written around 1500 BC (plus/minus several hundreds years on the specific edition), has been speculated that it may actually be up to 8,000 years old. And in it they talk about the infamous notion of 'maya' or illusion as we call it.

Now I love to connect this with our beloved Mayans and everyone on board with 2012, being it's there name and all.

I mean don't worry, cause it's just a ride...

Enlightened minds of society?, that´s pretty much under discussion. At least you said "supposed".

This is not an illusion, this is real, glad it is.

[777 The Great Work]

Nothing is real if its always changing. All is becomming.

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

Nothing is real if its always changing. All is becomming.

your word against mine. The ilussion is in itself a real thing.

[GregorArturo]

il⋅lu⋅sion
   /ɪˈluʒən/
–noun
1. something that deceives by producing a false or misleading impression of reality.

I never said it wasn't real, which it is still up to debate I feel. However, it is an illusion.

[Magamud]

The elite propagate the New Age idea that all is an illusion esoteric/exoteric stuff to give us ordinary people a place to go because in truth reality is to hard to face. This is all quite real and we are all being slowly murdered everyday and most people cant see it and those who do will use some conjugated trap door to not deal with what is in our faces. It really is a tyrants wet dream this world.

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by Magamud

The elite propagate the New Age idea that all is an illusion esoteric/exoteric stuff to give us ordinary people a place to go because in truth reality is to hard to face. This is all quite real and we are all being slowly murdered everyday and most people cant see it and those who do will use some conjugated trap door to not deal with what is in our faces. It really is a tyrants wet dream this world.

But even if you are murdered, are you saying that's it adios, end of story, because I listened to some New Age philosophy being pushed by a hidden hand in the background?

There is one thing listening to and blindly believing in New Age philosophy. Another, is to develop it on your own and experience it first hand, and I just call it philosophy.

An ironic thought just popped into my head in reference to the Hidden Hand material and what he said about New Age theology, "Haha, there ain't nothing new about it."

open your eyes because this is completely real

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Magamud

The elite propagate the New Age idea that all is an illusion esoteric/exoteric stuff to give us ordinary people a place to go because in truth reality is to hard to face. This is all quite real and we are all being slowly murdered everyday and most people cant see it and those who do will use some conjugated trap door to not deal with what is in our faces. It really is a tyrants wet dream this world.

The idea of maya has exsisted for thousands of years.Soon the frame will drop.

[Magamud]

It’s more like doing triage with this world so no it’s not like adios. And you’re quite right for me it’s being in my own experience trying to sift through the propaganda to get to my own perception. But even our language has been manipulated, not to mention all culture. Timothy Leary was a CIA operative thats been declared. The Beatles being pushed to bring about eastern philosophy, Blavatsky and the theosophical society with socialism, communism, new age, etc...
I’m no expert but it is easy for me to see energy being diverted from someone who experiences this matrix and throws it to a fantasy land of esoteric stuff that is quite fascinating but there really is no hard foundation to it, no real answer just a labyrinth/orobourus.

Not to say I have the answers but when I experience the matrix I am taking steps to combat it within my being and surroundings I am not putting it into a meticulous fantasy land to feel better about myself. Unfortunately this problem is a pandemic within truth seekers, but I believe progress is being made.

Good luck & Godspeed.

[RedeZra]

All is becoming That One this All became From - Trancendence -
and still That One is the Essence of All this becoming That One - Immanence -

Sounds like word play lol

Vedas say Reality is One without a Second - Implicit whenever there seems to be two or more some Illusion Maya is at work - Maya is the Disguise of That One - Maya is the Veil between Reality and apparent reality - No Man can lift this Veil and survive - This Veil of Maya Obscures That Ones Light of a Thousand Suns - Lift the Veil and Die - Meaning That One incinerates individual personalities - Like a bobble bursts in the Sea


As we are here now struggling in this apparent reality we can best help by first setting our own house in order in matter mind and soul - be good examples to ourselves and eventually others will follow - Help if you can and Never Hurt - Dont be to proud to pray - Listen to your Heart - Im confident about the Perfect Wise Capability of our Loving Just Overseer

[eaglespirit]

Love!

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

All is becoming That One this All became From - Trancendence -
and still That One is the Essence of All this becoming That One - Immanence -

Sounds like word play lol

Vedas say Reality is One without a Second - Implicit whenever there seems to be two or more some Illusion Maya is at work - Maya is the Disguise of That One - Maya is the Veil between Reality and apparent reality - No Man can lift this Veil and survive - This Veil of Maya Obscures That Ones Light of a Thousand Suns - Lift the Veil and Die - Meaning That One incinerates individual personalities - Like a bobble bursts in the Sea


As we are here now struggling in this apparent reality we can best help by first setting our own house in order in matter mind and soul - be good examples to ourselves and eventually others will follow - Help if you can and Never Hurt - Dont be to proud to pray - Listen to your Heart - Im confident about the Perfect Wise Capability of our Loving Just Overseer

WELL SAID

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

WELL SAID

I second that.

[SuperManny]

Originally Posted by Deoxyan

open your eyes because this is completely real

All is not as it seems, but it's ALWAYS, every bit as real as you believe it to be.

Your beliefs not only determine how you experience reality, they are also constantly providing you with 'evidence' that validates their existence.

[Northern Boy]

from the Moody Blues Song Nights in White Satin
Cold hearted orb
That rules the night
Removes the colours
From our sight
Red is gray and
Yellow white
But we decide
Which is right
And
Which is an Illusion

[raulduke]

"The world is like a ride at an amusement park. And when you choose to go on it, you think its real because thats how powerfull our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and round and round. It has thrills and chills, and its very brightly coloured , and its very loud and its fun, for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question - is this real, or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us. They say, 'Hey! Dont worry, dont be afraid, ever, because, this is just a ride.'

And we kill those people.

"Shut him up! I've got a lot invested in this ride! Shut him up!" Look at my furrows of worry! Look at my big bank account and my family! This has to be real."

It's just a ride. But we always kill those good guys that try to tell us that, you ever notice that? and let the demons run amuck. but it doesn't matter cuz it's just a ride and we can change it any time we want. Its only a choice, no effort, and no worries, no job, no savings of money. Just a choice right now between Fear and Love."


I've always liked Bill Hicks, he's definitely in my top five fav. comedians. That quote though never quite made sense to me until recently. It's a good thing to remember for sure.

Thanks Arturo.


p.s. have you seen my questions for you in book of gregor thread? I know it's been awhile but i'm still curious.

[KassandraLoves]

Originally Posted by SuperManny

All is not as it seems, but it's ALWAYS, every bit as real as you believe it to be.

Your beliefs not only determine how you experience reality, they are also constantly providing you with 'evidence' that validates their existence.

Well said.

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Id like to add that the understanding of the illusory concept is just a gateway into creating your world into that which you chose. You use the door of realizing that your living in a self-created illusion, to get into the house of realizing that YOU make your life into what it is.

Its like a house with a million doors. It doesnt matter which door you chose. A door that works for you may not work for another. One door may even open into the threshold of another.....But the point is that youre still getting into the house with the rest of 'em. The end result is the same whether you believe this is all an illusion anyway.....

[Dusty Nothing]

I'd like to hear more from the guy with the information about Timothy Leary being a CIA agent? I find this very difficult to believe, all of Learys work was incredibley revolutionary and totally anti-establishment.
I do not believe that he was, and if he was, then they certainly failed with me, Learys work left me with nothing more than gratification and enlightenment, one of the most intelligent men to end up here.
I'm aware that the methods he used to push the use of lysergic acid may have played a major role in the illegalisation of the substance, but come on, they'd make tea illegal if we enjoyed it enough.... maybe.
Anyway, this thread isn't about Timothy Leary, I just happen to have much respect for him and the notion of him being an agent.... disgruntles me.

You believe all of this is real because it is percieved by your senses five?

I believe this is where we squeedgy the third eye.

[Magamud]

Dusty,
The book Acid Dreams by Martin A. Lee, Bruce Shlain - 1985 - Medical - 384 pages Here is a link http://books.google.com/books?id=e39...result#PPP1,M1

Scientific Intelligence Memorandum
Potential New Agent for Unconventional Warfare
By your loving CIA

Who do you think the warfare is against? There is a war against us and they use the hegelian dialectic on us. Which covers both sides of an argument and through sythesis/treatise they get us where they want, which is to continue their deceptive manipulation of the human species. Sure Leary and that time were anti establishment but which establishment is the question. And surely it was not the real establishment that is enslaving us.
They do this because they know there are people who don’t take to the programming. The whole sixties movement (Music, LSD, Eastern philosophy, gurus, UFO's, channeling, occult groups) was to capture those inclined to metaphysical concepts. To insure they would run around in the Orobourus while the Elite Nazis could continue infiltration of the govt, FDA, EPA, NSA, FBI, NGO's nuclear regulation committee, WWF world wildlife fund, Major Media, industrial military complex, drug running, third world genocide, etc....

So while people are trying to figure how to get their light bodies and understand this enormous labyrinth of occult concepts and symbology the Elite are free to go about their business of world techno control right under your noses. Just look at this board its filled with it. More specific look at the posts after this one. Im sure there will be a jewel.

The best one for me is India and the cast system. To think you are born into poverty because it’s your karma and if you break out of this mold you will increase your karma for your next life. So you better be sure to cooperate with the status quo in this one. A tyrant’s wet dream yes? A beautiful cultural setup with truth and lies mixed up to keep you confused and obedient.

And it’s not just this culture movement I’m afraid it's all cultural movements for a very long time. See we are in a planned corporate agenda run by the Elite who have unlimited funds to put into their NGO's non governmental organizations who then front non profit organizations who then recruit all the great thinkers from their ivy league colleges and give them big grants and fund think tanks to try and control you over generations and generations. Its called the "Great Work" to try and improve man.

Here is another key into this matrix. His name is Norman Dodd (June 29, 1899 – January 1987) was a chief investigator in 1953 for U.S. Congressman B. Carroll Reece Special Committee on Tax Exempt. This man learns about the matrix in 1953. Its colossal to think that was 55 years ago. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...01783240489827

My strongest suggestion is to listen to Alan Watt for at least a month and let his knowledge soak in.

Good Luck folks and as always Godspeed.

[333mark333]

It is Real when you are the game.
It is illusion when you are in the game.

Have you ever considered that this is a manifestation of your creation and the Dream you enter every night as you activate your pineal is Real.


We are thought-forms experiencing. We are Light.

When we experience our realities from another perspective they are different.

The universe is Real, but like an onion Realities have many levels.

Learn to shift vibrations with Love energies and experience this reality that we have co-created.

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by 333mark333

It is Real when you are the game.
It is illusion when you are in the game.

God damn I love that quote. I was trying to think of it myself how to define the two differently as they are being used not as polar opposites, but actually interrelated directly into the same concept. I'm gonna steal that from you if you don't mind. :-p

[Sahara]

We do not see air Yet we all breath. We do not see the wind yet it will blow a hat off your head if not careful. Proof is in the faith we hold onto, what we belive in. Faith is the absence of tangable proof in what we belive. Be true to your heart and sole...even if it's not what you want to see. A plant starts from a seed planted, in time it changes into a beautiful Maple tree. Such is seeing ourshevles.

[Harper]

Hey Raul,

That bill hicks show conclusion was so profound I nearly feel off my chair when I heard it, however it did seem like a goodbye in a way. Mr. Hicks died prematurely though and now those words are very haunting.

all the best whenever you all are, illusion or reality.