Is Obama a Communist or Socialist?

[Pomguymguy]

Whoever gets to sit in the Big Chair in the Oval Office or stand behind the podium will be just like the rest of them - just ...... come on - you know the rest... thats one of the reasons we are all here at Avalon !

Which part of the 13th bloodline is he or anyone else that gets voted in .......................sorry - just fell off my chair laughing just then !

[BlueEgyptian]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

The reason I said White people was that every single time they "cry out angrily about a person..........its white racist person........Was that wrong of me, so sorry, didn't mean to hurt anyones feelings. I have heard nothing but racist remarks since Obama first started running. Why do you suppose that is? Because he is Black of course.

I would love to see Obama change the world but how can I put my faith behind him when its always a short step to being called racist if you don't?

That is not what the world needs. The world needs someone who is going to put the value of the human being above their own pleasures.........
I would hope to get a president that didn't use drugs or alcohol on a daily basis. One that certaintly didn't belong to any sort of society.........secret or open

Now, Obama wants change, and I'm sure he will get into the White House, citizenship or non-citizenship. Rumor has it he loves his drugs, well I hope that isn't true. Who needs another addict in the white house?

It doesn't really matter the color of his or anyone's skin......as long as they do not use it as a crutch. That is what I have witness. The race card played over and over again. Black is beautiful and he and his camp only put themselfs down when they play that card.

I'M JUST TIRED OF HEARING THE RACIST REMARKS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Do you think if he is in office it will be any better? nope. The whites will be in trouble, pure and simple. Mischelle openly displays her hatred.
Did you read the article in the African papers?
Apparently not, if you question my response to it.

I don't like racist remarks by anyone and I'm sorry if mine was taken as such. I was just feeding off her remark. I have always been offended with any racial slur. In the report she used it and they do have a video tape of this.

We have had too much of it in our world already and I hope that when Obama is made president that he will not let down anyone that has worked so hard to put him there and that Mischelle gets over her racial divide.

I am white and I hate what is happening in all the third world countries and I will say that it is not all the whites that have created it. I in fact, don't even believe they are human at all. They just place themselfs in the white shell.

So Mischelle Obama, please blame the right people and leave the White Racist remark out of your sentence. Go and study beliefs with Ophah....she has the right idea

I understand your point of view more than you realize. I have been put in the middle of the “race” issue far too often. The fact of the matter is this site is about co-creation for the better of the whole. Your insecurities I can empathize with, but saying all “whites” will soon have hell to pay only feeds into the same divided, dualistic, thinking. Do you not see that "whites" are clearly in trouble now? Alongside your brothers and sisters of every hue? Have you been paying attention at all? When they eliminated habaeus corpus, you DO realize that pertained to "white" people too, right? Along with the Patriot Act? PD 51 allows the president to instill martial law for EVERYONE...this includes "white" people... NOW

If you are truly concerned about how “whites” are portrayed, then go out and be a good example of a “white” person, period. Give to causes, volunteer your time, etc. Fanning the passive aggressive/downright aggressive racial attacks that are flying is only making it worse.

I do not in any way deify Michelle Obama or make her perfect in any way. I read the article. Corsi himself has a lot to answer for as far as his ethics. I continue to read as much as I can, and I appreciate you pointing the article out.

Fact is though there are a lot of paranoid people out there now…and people like Rush and co are fanning the flames to a damn near civil war. Don’t add to it. Just be the best person you can be to everyone. And realize, you...we... are in danger NOW...no matter what colour. Thanks for the info…

[Pomguymguy]

Phew - This thread seems to be getting a trifle heavy man !

Looks like we are all 'thinking" things will be the same as before - Come on "GROUND CREW" - or

We can put forth
real CHANGE - can't we? ?

"The beatings will continue until morale improves"

[stefaan]

Originally Posted by Pomguymguy

Phew - This thread seems to be getting a trifle heavy man !

Looks like we are all 'thinking" things will be the same as before - Come on "GROUND CREW" - or

We can put forth real CHANGE - can't we? ?

Maybe we can (marching with millions up onto Washington DC?).
But can the next president change something?
If he really tries, he gets shot, don't you think so?
Remember JFK, his brother...

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Did you read the article in the African papers?
Apparently not, if you question my response to it.

[snip]

So Mischelle Obama, please blame the right people and leave the White Racist remark out of your sentence. Go and study beliefs with Ophah....she has the right idea

Do you mean this article? The one that has been proven FAKE?

Seriously, you people should be too smart for this kind of thing. Race card, black, white, purple, green, blue.

Aren't you aware they have been lying to us for years? What makes you think they're going to tell the truth about their opponent?

And, on another note, doesn't it mean something that a once-respected man has sacrificed his entire reputation trying to beat Obama? Doesn't that tell you something about how desperately the PTB are clinging to their control?

It seems some of you would prefer to keep things as they are. Perhaps you're comfortable in your fear and paranoia. I challenge you to look around. The world is changing. We are winning.

[mntruthseeker]

My family is also a rainbow of color and religion. Now the skin color I can handle, but the religion is all wrong

For one thing I believe that is the evil of the world.

You are right the PTB is already decided and I'm sure its obama but people, its up to us to make the changes as we know we can do it.............but only if we are trully awake and wake up more.

Would I ever believe that Huffinton Post would be honest in their opinion....hell no. the media is so disingenous in their stories...........I will wait to hear the tape that Jerome has. The media and press.........lies, you say go watch the movie zeitgeist...............did you miss that point?


so you're right, we know who is running the world....and I'm sure either one that is president will be running as the new puppet....I guess there are so many that really beieve in the redirect in the word "change"........... that makes me angry.

Do I think he is really trying to help americans? NO NO NO He is another puppet and fooling everyone. As far as the death threats go people...........I would like you to meet a few of my friends..........Larry Sinclair, Citizen Wells, Jerome Corsi, Andy Martin, Jeff Rense, David Icke etc. they get death threats everyday themself...Why..........for telling the truth...and if it wasnt true.... ........ why isn't it proven? Do you think we as citizens have a right to be told the truth? Show us the proof then............

We are all misguided by lie after lie after lie until we "wake up" I like to say grow up.... Go view zeitgeist agenda and think again about what the truth is

[Anticomuna]

That's why you see the Republicans grasping at straws trying to find *any* dirt on him, instead of arguing the real issues our country faces. Rezco, Ayers, Wright. Nothing sticks.

Nothing sticks because his supporters and the press keep avoid any real investigation.

Obama has never proposed a "redistribution of wealth" program.

Yes, he did. How cutting taxes on those who pay 0 dollars should be called? Or increasing the taxes on "the rich" to give it to the poor? Or spreading the wealth around?

The guy is a socialist to the core. His comments about Colombia on the debate were clear that he is more aligned with Chavez, who finances narco-terrorists, than with the people of Colombia against them.

I'M JUST TIRED OF HEARING THE RACIST REMARKS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

How questioning the guy's plans and honesty is racist? I mean, it seems that people that refuse to check his background are the racists here. It is almost as if because he is a "black" man he needs to have some help, because he might not be able to do what other normal people do. Inferiority is implied.

He is grown up man, if he can't take it then he should drink milk.

[Anticomuna]

You would rather attempt to slander this man with false accusations of treason and terrorism than discuss the real issues.

Why don't you talk about his past AND the issues? In what book is there a law that make both subjects exclusive, either one or the other? Why not discussing everything that has to be discussed?

I don't really understand why some people are defensive when questions are asked about Obama. If he is really clean then what do you fear?

[UncaRay]

Obama is not a Communist. or Socialist, or a Capitalist for that matter.

He is the current public representative of one faction among several that makes up the Kleptocracy which is the true system that rules America. The Kleptocracy, by definition, has no ideology other than greed. Wether or not he uses socialist ideas, or capitalist, their true purpose will be to make the Rich richer and the Poor poorer. This election is not a battle of ideologies, it is naked class war. The Rich against the Poor. Obama or McCain, for those of us making under $250,000/year (and that's most of us by a considerable margin,) there is no measurable difference.

Write in Ron Paul, if you really want change.

[showmemo]

I really do not care for either McCain or Obama as they both are the same there is no difference just another shell game to have one fight with the other and to separate us and not let us unite on a common goal. Obama may win and the only thing I know is he will try to ban guns as he is anti guns and his leaders the true leaders want that as it scares them to see armed peoples that is why the rest of the world they took your weapons away already.

So will it make a diffrence who is in office? nope as we all saw both McCain and Obama voted for the billions soon to be trillions of dollars to go to the banksters. Funny how the rest of the world thinks one is better than the other the last pres. who tried to take on these banksters was Kennady and he well I wont go there for he was a brave man and I do not think Obama is even close to being him, of course they may want you to believe that why else would they have him in Germany to give a speach of course so the human phychy thinks bake to Kennady and his great speech at the berlin wall.

I would be concerned of how Obama used that as a lauch board to his NWO thoughts oh do not get me wrong I do not like Mcain and his lies on being a prisoner he sold out back then to save himeself do you know that all service men who where prisoners in vietnam got promotions and he did not he was the same rank that should say allot.

So for all you folks who think that Obama is the bomb LOL far from it he is handled like McCain is handled there is no two party system it is one party and it is a way to divide and conqure to keep up this constant you against me train of thought and to keep common folks from being open and free. Man I do not want to think if McCain wins and his vice pres is in office man what a mess that would be with her religion comming first.

here is a thought you know how they say the bible has been changed what if it is not the number of the beast being man but women and Pallen is pres. LOL and it is the number of the best is women LOL alright now I do not hate women I feel Hillary would have been better than Obama but what if? and what would that number be as man is 666 so what is womens number? LOL 411 for information haha

[mntruthseeker]

THANKS STEFAAN

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by Moonbaby

It is definately one or the other. Pure communism for the world would be great, everyone would have what they need to sustain a well balanced life while passing through this world. Unfortunately, when you add the 'human' factor of greed, sloth, etc... things get really ugly.

Obama thinks that 'redistributing the wealth' will change the world. Unfortunately he is either just naive or worse yet, more corrupt that the current administration. I would like to think he is naive but that is difficult based on this guys past associations (ala Resco.) So if Obama gets in, you can bet your bippy that we are going to get a royal screwing.

While I make less than the threshold that Obama says will get tax increases, companies are going to go offshore to produce, sell the goods to the US at inflated rates, make and claim a very small profit in the US and reap the big profits in the manufacturing country. We get screwed again and there is nothing that can be done to stop it except voting for McCain.

I would like to have a "re-do" on the primary more than anyone but that is not going to happen. I truely believe that voting for McCain is the least of the two evils.

Moonbaby, it is obvious that you are still hurting over Hillary's loss. But if you think that many people on this board would defend Hillary, you are so sadly mistaken. She has more illuminati ties than McCain or Obama.

[Thrustbucket]

Originally Posted by showmemo

I really do not care for either McCain or Obama as they both are the same there is no difference just another shell game to have one fight with the other and to separate us and not let us unite on a common goal. Obama may win and the only thing I know is he will try to ban guns as he is anti guns and his leaders the true leaders want that as it scares them to see armed peoples that is why the rest of the world they took your weapons away already.

So will it make a diffrence who is in office? nope as we all saw both McCain and Obama voted for the billions soon to be trillions of dollars to go to the banksters. Funny how the rest of the world thinks one is better than the other the last pres. who tried to take on these banksters was Kennady and he well I wont go there for he was a brave man and I do not think Obama is even close to being him, of course they may want you to believe that why else would they have him in Germany to give a speach of course so the human phychy thinks bake to Kennady and his great speech at the berlin wall.

I would be concerned of how Obama used that as a lauch board to his NWO thoughts oh do not get me wrong I do not like Mcain and his lies on being a prisoner he sold out back then to save himeself do you know that all service men who where prisoners in vietnam got promotions and he did not he was the same rank that should say allot.

So for all you folks who think that Obama is the bomb LOL far from it he is handled like McCain is handled there is no two party system it is one party and it is a way to divide and conqure to keep up this constant you against me train of thought and to keep common folks from being open and free. Man I do not want to think if McCain wins and his vice pres is in office man what a mess that would be with her religion comming first.

here is a thought you know how they say the bible has been changed what if it is not the number of the beast being man but women and Pallen is pres. LOL and it is the number of the best is women LOL alright now I do not hate women I feel Hillary would have been better than Obama but what if? and what would that number be as man is 666 so what is womens number? LOL 411 for information haha

Finally someone speaks some sense. I would have said it had I had the time to write as much.

We do not have a two party system. We have a 1.2 party system. Because there is really almost no difference between them.

[Love/Light 13]

I am a Ron Paul supporter myself who will be writing his name on the Nov. 4th ballot. However, to have a thread devoted to whether Obama is a Communist or a Socialist, with those being the only two options, seems to me to be a bit disingenuous.

Obama is not going to "redistribute wealth" at the magnitude that this post suggests. His tax increase for the top 5% will return the system back to the rates of the Clinton Administration, which would not appear to be as dramatic a shift as suggested.

I do not know whether or not to believe in Obama, but he is the best option we have right now, so I figure give him the benefit of the doubt. Who knows, he could be as clever as JFK, and could truely tranform this great nation.

best to all,

L/L 13

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may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by Anticomuna

Why don't you talk about his past AND the issues? In what book is there a law that make both subjects exclusive, either one or the other? Why not discussing everything that has to be discussed?

I don't really understand why some people are defensive when questions are asked about Obama. If he is really clean then what do you fear?

His past has been discussed. Perhaps you weren't aware that in the democratic primary elections earlier this year, Hillary went negative on a fellow democrat. It was unprecedented and Obama passed because he is clean.

I'm happy to discuss any NEW information brought forth about Obama, but to simply repeat the same debunked lies about him from earlier this year is a waste of time and energy. Do some research, it's all been talked about before, ad nauseum. Your claims are old news, and have all been proven false.

If you were interested in discussing the real issues facing Americans, I didn't notice. You never mentioned any good plans that John McCain has proposed, you only spread the disinformation and fear as fact, just as the PTB encourage. You're inadvertently working for the bad guys.

If you really think Obama is the one avoiding investigation, take a look at George Bush (your real enemy) and Dick Cheney. Take a look at Sarah Palin and then tell us that Obama is avoiding questions.

Taxing the rich is not class warfare. Lower and middle-class people are hurting. Some have seen their life savings slip away. Some have already killed their physical bodies. Have you no sympathy for other human beings? Do you really believe you're in the winner's circle of the capitalist game? If you are, congratulations on being a rich greedy miser; you belong to an elite group of jerks. I hope you've taken the time to donate to Kerry and Bill.

showmemo: I promise you, Obama does not want your guns. He categorically supports the 2nd Amendment. Please visit this page: Obama on Guns

Look, everyone here knows the President only has a little bit of wiggle room in our society. He can't change everything himself. But at least Obama provides the opportunity to maybe make things a little bit better.

We have seen what the typical Washington crowd does to this country. Take a chance on an until-recently unknown black man who has inspired and empowered people young and old, rich and poor, black, brown, yellow, and white, to take back their government.

He is a Christian who believes in evolution. He wants to get us cheaper health care. He wants people to get good-paying jobs here in America. He wants to help struggling families stay in their homes. He wants to end the war in Iraq and bring my old friend Will home. (His 4th tour now, I think.) And of all things, the only reason I'm even discussing Obama here, is that he provides this planet the best chance for disclosure of the ET presence.

The people of this forum should at least recognize that.

[arcora]

Geez.

People still wasting energy on the left/right paradigm sham.

Sad.

[RSF]

From someone who lives next door. McCain's a good Senator -- keep this Senator in the Senate where he's a spoke in the wheel and not the wheel.
Obama, if elected, will trip over his untied shoe laces a few times, but only a few times. Communist/Socialist -- no. Economically Ambitious and seemingly a a person who cares about the average joe & foe.
RSF

[hueyii]

He's part of the NWO. They have a new political group called Commulist that he will lead. He will unleash the martial law, starve us, turn us over to the bankers, chemtrail us, feed us to the aliens (after intergalactic war) and use the waste material to prevent the pole shift. This all will be done by 2012.

[elNadador]

Originally Posted by Jenny

I even won't go there with Americans.

Americans are so deeply biased on Socialisme I won't even try to start a discourse with them on that.

Jenny.

Netherlands.

well... why dont you just remain in silence?

[RSF]

Originally Posted by hueyii

He's part of the NWO. They have a new political group called Commulist that he will lead. He will unleash the martial law, starve us, turn us over to the bankers, chemtrail us, feed us to the aliens (after intergalactic war) and use the waste material to prevent the pole shift. This all will be done by 2012.

---

Tee-He

[Anticomuna]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

His past has been discussed. Perhaps you weren't aware that in the democratic primary elections earlier this year, Hillary went negative on a fellow democrat. It was unprecedented and Obama passed because he is clean.

He passed because the press keeps brushing off any criticism as "racism" or "negative campaign" or something else. Straight answers. Simple. The guy doesn't give straight answers.

For example, in the debate the excuse he gave was "when he did those things I was 8 years old". Nobody said he was there in person, nobody said he was a terrorist (some more exhalted ones did, but not the campaign), nobody tried to make him responsible for those things. All people is questioning is why would he join people like that guy, because it informs people about Obama's ideology and worldview.

Ideology and worldview. Obama is a socialist.

His ideas aren't even new. Here in Brazil we are overtaxed under the pretext that the government "must spread the wealth around". Is Brazil a paradise of peace and development?

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

If you were interested in discussing the real issues facing Americans, I didn't notice.

There you are, using something else to change the subject.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

Taxing the rich is not class warfare.

How is it not? You will pay the taxes either way. Either yourself or in the price tags of the products you buy. Or in the form of less jobs because of higher taxes to businesses.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

Have you no sympathy for other human beings? Do you really believe you're in the winner's circle of the capitalist game?

I do have sympathy for other another human beings, I just don't have for socialists. Do you really believe that you are in the winner's circle of the socialist game?

[Reunite]

Obama refuses to salute the flag and national anthem.

I too thought most people here at Avalon could see the bigger picture. There is no right/left parties. Only one Council of Foreign Relations Party bringing about the NWO

[Love/Light 13]

wow the negativity on this thread is tangible.

Let me just say this:

When the national anthem is played at a baseball game, or other events, people DO NOT always put their hands over their hearts. Does that make them un-American? The Pledge of Allegiance is the only instance in US culture when a hand-over-the-heart moment is considered mandatory. These right-wing, neo-con tactics on Avalon??? Come on now. Should we consider McCain "un-American" because he did not wear a flag pin at the debate on Wednesday, while Obama did? Of course not.

The left/right paradigm "sham" has been manipulated by the secret goverments for years, however that does not mean that all politicians are involved in this deadly game of chess. Being that Obama is about to take office, i think a little hope is a positive step for this country, regardless of personal belief systems.

If you want some insight into where Obama "comes from", read Dreams of my Father.

If you want an overview political and social objectives, read Audacity of hope.

I know there are his own words making the books extremely biased, however I believe him to be a genuine and intelligent man. I will be ridiculed for this statement, however I stand by my convictions untill proven otherwise on this one. Hope those of you convinced he is evil aren't able to say "I told you so".

Oh, and isn't the Neo-con/Rothschild/Rockafeller/Vatican/Israeli faction a group of racist Nazi's at the highest level? They would never allow Obama access to their hidden agenda, and I do not believe he has the personality of a "pawn", despite the popular opinion of the alternative media.

Just throwing my two cents out there...........

L/L 13

************************************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

Have hope

[Reunite]

Originally Posted by Love/Light 13

wow the negativity on this thread is tangible.

Let me just say this:

When the national anthem is played at a baseball game, or other events, people DO NOT always put their hands over their hearts. Does that make them un-American? The Pledge of Allegiance is the only instance in US culture when a hand-over-the-heart moment is considered mandatory. These right-wing, neo-con tactics on Avalon??? Come on now. Should we consider McCain "un-American" because he did not wear a flag pin at the debate on Wednesday, while Obama did? Of course not.

The left/right paradigm "sham" has been manipulated by the secret goverments for years, however that does not mean that all politicians are involved in this deadly game of chess. Being that Obama is about to take office, i think a little hope is a positive step for this country, regardless of personal belief systems.

If you want some insight into where Obama "comes from", read Dreams of my Father.

If you want an overview political and social objectives, read Audacity of hope.

I know there are his own words making the books extremely biased, however I believe him to be a genuine and intelligent man. I will be ridiculed for this statement, however I stand by my convictions untill proven otherwise on this one. Hope those of you convinced he is evil aren't able to say "I told you so".

Oh, and isn't the Neo-con/Rothschild/Rockafeller/Vatican/Israeli faction a group of racist Nazi's at the highest level? They would never allow Obama access to their hidden agenda, and I do not believe he has the personality of a "pawn", despite the popular opinion of the alternative media.

Just throwing my two cents out there...........

L/L 13

************************************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

Have hope

No right-wing/neocon here...only truthseeker


My point is Obama is a CFR member like every neo-con/Rothchild/Rockafeller etc etc hence the inclusion into the hidden agenda. I choose to pay attention to alternative media like this forum vs main stream media where Obama is projected.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/...obama_cfr.html

One thing you are right about is the Negative energy about this subject. It must be the conditioning from the haarp frequencies. All I was merely doing was providing an insight from another's perspective. In saying that signing off from the thread. Enough wasted energy

Peace out

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Love/Light 13

wow the negativity on this thread is tangible.

Let me just say this:

When the national anthem is played at a baseball game, or other events, people DO NOT always put their hands over their hearts. Does that make them un-American? The Pledge of Allegiance is the only instance in US culture when a hand-over-the-heart moment is considered mandatory. These right-wing, neo-con tactics on Avalon??? Come on now. Should we consider McCain "un-American" because he did not wear a flag pin at the debate on Wednesday, while Obama did? Of course not.

The left/right paradigm "sham" has been manipulated by the secret goverments for years, however that does not mean that all politicians are involved in this deadly game of chess. Being that Obama is about to take office, i think a little hope is a positive step for this country, regardless of personal belief systems.

If you want some insight into where Obama "comes from", read Dreams of my Father.

If you want an overview political and social objectives, read Audacity of hope.

I know there are his own words making the books extremely biased, however I believe him to be a genuine and intelligent man. I will be ridiculed for this statement, however I stand by my convictions untill proven otherwise on this one. Hope those of you convinced he is evil aren't able to say "I told you so".

Oh, and isn't the Neo-con/Rothschild/Rockafeller/Vatican/Israeli faction a group of racist Nazi's at the highest level? They would never allow Obama access to their hidden agenda, and I do not believe he has the personality of a "pawn", despite the popular opinion of the alternative media.

Just throwing my two cents out there...........

L/L 13

************************************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

Have hope

I have to agree with you and just to keep in mind, threads like this go against the true purpose of this forum and yet, are allowed to manifest.