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Yes 2 3.17%
No 46 73.02%
A little bit 7 11.11%
Not sure 1 1.59%
I'm ready to go now 7 11.11%
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Old 02-09-2010, 04:45 PM   #1
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If so, are you afraid because it is of the unknown? That’s understandable because there isn’t one person (living) that can explain what death is really like…it’s all speculations. Could this be the real reason why most are afraid to stand up against obvious threats? Or is it that most people subconsciously feel they will go to hell because of their uncontrollable urges to indulge in foolish and/or inconsiderate sins? I’m very aware of many theories/ideas of the after life (if there is one), but do these creative thoughts console you in dealing with the inevitable? IMO, I feel most ideas of death have no supporting facts other then making the believer feel comfy while blindly justifying their own destruction to life. Do you like living in a reality where the societies generate more chaos than beauty? Is locking your self behind closed doors and becoming one with cyber strangers the answer…I mean, is this style of seclusion helping to get rid of the necessary problems outside of your own comfort zone? I can see how some people living in this way often think that everything is all good and lovely.

Have you ever thought that giving up your own life to save the specie, the world, and all of its inhabitants is what this generation was meant to do? Or do you feel it is the job for others to give up their life for your liberty and freedom? I’m inclined to think that if you truly love someone/thing you will sacrifice (your life is need be) to keep it safe. What we do now is very important for future generations. How can you love humanity where there is very little love being shared in humanity? Could you die for a brighter world for others, or would you rather wait with dying optimism and fingers crossed for unconfirmed outside assistance? Would you rather die on your feet or live on your knees? Or continue living in delusion within your voluntary solitary confinement? Yeah, we all have a choice and the right to do what we want…hmmm, that might just be one of the problems…

What is your idea of death?
I’m thinking the various perceptions of death haves a whole lot to do with the way people go about their lives…
Please feel free to discuss, your insight is very important. If this is a disturbing topic please delete it, and accept my apologies. thnx

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Old 02-09-2010, 04:47 PM   #2
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Its not the what...its the how...
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Old 02-09-2010, 04:49 PM   #3
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I do not fear death in the sense of leaving the body to move back to

higher realms of existence. I do fear the way you die, example drowning, falling

off a cliff Ect.
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:08 PM   #4
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Death is nothing to be feared. Death is a vital component of life without which new life could not arise. Death comes to all living things. Superstition and ignorance cause us to fear death. Actually, when you closely examine the state of death, it greatly resembles 'nirvana', 'heaven', 'paradise' and so forth. In death there is no desire and no suffering. It is indeed the great rest, the great relief, the liberation from suffering and want. I want to live as long as I can and enjoy my life and my grandchildren. I do not however entertain any notion that somehow 'living forever' would be a good thing or something to be desired.

When the day comes, and if I see death coming, I hope that I can have the presence of mind to greet it warmly and embrace it with dignity and grace.

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Old 02-09-2010, 05:10 PM   #5
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"To die will be a great adventure"

With the blessing or curse of memory I can remember death well enough to not fear it. Understanding well what it's all about helps take away the fear.

It was a pretty sound choice to be here now for "all this". Although it's not something I spend time thinking on, I am "prepared" for it. My loved one's understand "me" well enough and death well enough as well.. Minimizing the pain on those I leave behind is the only thing I am concerned about when it comes to my time to leave this incarnation.

I am conscious of my fleeting time here.. enjoying the ride. I have this wonderful "show" to entertain me after all.

In light, of love
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:12 PM   #6
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Death is nothing to be feared. Death is a vital component of life without which new life could not arise. Death comes to all living things. Superstition and ignorance cause us to fear death. Actually, when you closely examine the state of death, it greatly resembles 'nirvana', 'heaven', 'paradise' and so forth. In death there is no desire and no suffering. It is indeed the great rest, the great relief, the liberation from suffering and want. I want to live as long as I can and enjoy my life and my grandchildren. I do not however entertain any notion that somehow 'living forever' would be a good thing or something to be desired.
Now this I completely agree with. Well said.
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Old 02-09-2010, 05:38 PM   #7
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I agree fully with trainedobserver.
Having faced death on quite a few occasions I have come to terms with it.
Last time was in the Indian Ocean.
A series of freak waves smashed me against the bottom three times, approx fifteen foot down. The last time not having had the chance to get a proper breath.
I relaxed ready to drown and to my surprise when I made the surface the sea was calm but a mass of foam. I was rescued by two life guards not having the strength to make it to shore.
If I died now that would be ok but I would like it to be in bed after a final cigarette.

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Old 02-09-2010, 05:39 PM   #8
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QUOTE- "Death is nothing to be feared." "Death comes to all living things". "Superstition and ignorance cause us to fear death". "I want to live as long as I can and enjoy my life and my grandchildren. I do not however entertain any notion that somehow 'living forever' would be a good thing or something to be desired." end QUOTE

I agree with these points trainedobserver, but the rest seems more like an inspiring opinion/belief...unless you have came back from the dead and can verify some facts, i can't be one to believe in uncertainties. Nice ideas thou...

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Old 02-09-2010, 06:17 PM   #9
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"To die will be a great adventure"...

I am conscious of my fleeting time here.. enjoying the ride. I have this wonderful "show" to entertain me after all.
DITTO!

am I afraid to die? nope, not one bit!
the only part that is afraid is my ego, and that's because he ONLY
exisits in this illusion... kinda like a creepy hitchhiker you pick up
when you chose to play this game


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Old 02-09-2010, 06:32 PM   #10
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I agree with these points trainedobserver, but the rest seems more like an inspiring opinion/belief...unless you have came back from the dead and can verify some facts, i can't be one to believe in uncertainties. Nice ideas thou...

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Those points are the natural conclusions based on death being final and complete. The human personality supported by the physical structure of the brain ceasing to exist when the physical structure is compromised in death ceases all suffering and desire since there is nothing there to suffer or desire. When one turns a light switch off the filament no longer functions. Likewise the dead human body feels nothing, sees nothing, wants nothing. There is nothing to experience because there is no experiencer. I doubt seriously that the moment of death can actually be experienced as the mind lags the activity in the brain which creates it. The brain will cease to function and the mind will collapse while still manifesting the previous moments brain activity missing the actual moment of death itself. Or so it seems. The 'after-life' is just some misplaced wishful thinking I'm afraid.

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Old 02-09-2010, 06:41 PM   #11
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A series of freak waves ...
I had a similar experience, although not as a close call as you had, while sailing in a tropical storm one summer. The catamaran overturned, we lost the mast, and we were way too far out to swin to shore. To our great relief the shore patrol saw us and came and got us. I do remember thinking, "I'm going to die doing this crazy thing!"
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Old 02-09-2010, 07:00 PM   #12
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are you afraid to die?

only if i have feared to live ...

be all we can BE ...

know the journey has no end ...



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Old 02-09-2010, 07:22 PM   #13
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@shaynard, illuminate and futureyes

Thats interesting trainobserver…but, I’m wondering more about the spirit, the individual identity.
Through meditations I came to a few conclusions myself. One of them is that your consciousness moves on to other realities to further learn. Another idea… is the consciousness of the individual will be existing in a reality of its own personal hell or heaven…depending on what that consciousness dwelled on the most (negative/positive), meaning that the body is now detached from the mind and the ego/identity is now expose to ampifications of itself/the pure mind, the thoughts of its own likeness, but amplified. I have some conflicting issues with both ideas but that is just what they are…ideas…like many others that can’t be proven factual by the living. I know we all like to imagine what death is like and that’s a good thing because it brings a peace of mind to the living. But ultimately, in the end we all should follow these wise words… “When the day comes, and if I see death coming, I hope that I can have the presence of mind to greet it warmly and embrace it with dignity and grace.”
i like that...

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Old 02-09-2010, 07:36 PM   #14
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No. In my mind it's like a birth.

The thing that does cause me some concern, is if it were to happen while I was young - how it would affect my family.
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Old 02-09-2010, 08:07 PM   #15
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No. In my mind it's like a birth.

The thing that does cause me some concern, is if it were to happen while I was young - how it would affect my family.
hi myshadow ... who we leave behind and their well being ... is of significant concern ... because we care ... we love ... it is the essence of who we are ...

i have surrendered to the idea ... that i feel to control ... what is 'best' ... for others ...
certainly if i had prior notice of my leaving this experience ... i would do all that i could do ... to assist ... streamlining my loved ones lives beyond my existance here ...
to assist ... but i now know ... i could not control ... such things ...

in the grand scheme of the blueprint of all that is ... what is it that i know ... do i know more than ... the greater power ... that allows the flow of our existance ... of how things flow within the blueprint ...

i don't ... no one does ... the greatest thing we can do ... is to TRUST ... to trust our families will be ok ... to trust we have extended our wisdom and our love to them ... throughout our duration here ...
and that they will carry forth ... with that of who we were ... and what we have shared with them ... remaining within them ...
and that they will be just fine ...

i feel ... this is why it is so important ... to be all we can be in this life experience right now ... to our greatest potential ... living LOVE ...
because this is a very significant foundation we are currently building ... foundation for a new paradigm ... there are so many souls here in this moment ... with this same opportunity ...

if we can feel within our hearts ... we have lived this life to the best of our abilities ... within love and not fear ...

then beyond our own physical self leaving one day ... we can ... with all heart ... TRUST ... our loved ones ... will be ...

loved ones ...


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Old 02-09-2010, 08:19 PM   #16
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I am afraid to die...because I do not trust the Powers That Be That I Cannot See. I'm convinced that every sin of ommission and commission will be holographically paraded before me in a courtroom setting...by the Prosecuting Attorney of This World. I will essentially stand before a 'Holy God' without a mediator...and I fear that this 'Holy God' is Satan. Hopefully the United States of the Solar System will kick in before I kick the bucket...and leave this container...and am escorted to the Courtroom on the Moon...by my Guardian Grey Guard. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJvQF...eature=related Perhaps we can stop for a drink at 'Mork 'n Ork's'...the Grey Bar on the Darkside of the Moon aka the 'Star Bar'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YSF5SfqF2o It'll be easier that way. 'My God...It's Full of Stars!' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EALnJHyz2lg

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Old 02-09-2010, 08:28 PM   #17
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@shaynard, illuminate and futureyes

Thats interesting trainobserver…but, I’m wondering more about the spirit, the individual identity.
The individual identity is tied to the physical structure of the brain. Change the physical structure through chemistry or surgery and you can change the personality, memory, and emotions. There is no need or real evidence for an etherical component you are concerned about. No worries in other words.


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One of them is that your consciousness moves on to other realities to further learn.
I wouldn't give a lot of weight to subjective experiences you may have during altered states of conciousness. They are notoriously unreliable.

To get a reasonable idea of what death is like try this thought experiement (or try it for real if you wish). Take your computer, boot it up, get something running on it. Take a ball-peen hammer and smash the CPU on the motherboard (or claw hammer if you simply must) and pound on the disk drive a couple times. You'll notice an immediate failure of the operating system, a total inablity to access the hard drive and the disappearance of whatever was being displayed on the screen. This is the state of death. Non-activity. The total loss of all information. A non-existence. The program that was running on the hardware doesn't fly off to run somewhere else, it ceases to exist as the circuits which supported its existence no longer exist.

If it isn't like that I'll be surpised shall we say.
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Old 02-09-2010, 08:36 PM   #18
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You know I always thought it would be cool if you died and went into spirit

form instead of going into the higher dimensions to meet your higher self

and guides you stayed as a spirit in 3D for a while. I wonder if it is possible

for a spirit/ghost to leave earth and go explore the galaxies and planets before

they were taken out of 3D, because when you leave 3D and move to heaven

all your previous life's and memories come back and chances are you have

already done something like that. I just think it would be cool to experience

the universe from a 3D perspective without knowing whats already out there.
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Old 02-09-2010, 08:42 PM   #19
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The secret of life some say ,
is "to die before you die and then find there is no death".
If you understand this you will know that you have nothing to fear
ever again.
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Old 02-09-2010, 09:34 PM   #20
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thats deep^^amate

@ trainedobserver

That sounds about right but the PC doesn’t have a spirit to govern its existence. Without outside interaction/programming the PC and all of its parts are practically dead or in limbo… waiting for a human/or alien to give it life. Humans are born into the world with a soul; there’s no need for outside help to move around. Could the program be running from somewhere else, perhaps? Humans have feelings, awareness, a sense of purpose, a desire for love and exploration. Maybe dreams, astral projections, and comas can be compared to death because the mind temporary leaves the body. But there also isn’t any proof the individual still functions (elsewhere) without a living body. hmmm

If a soul is able to be transfer from one body to another then that is reason to believe the individual spirit does continue living. But, I have no such proof of that just hear say.
That’s an interesting concept about the mind and body being one and once the body is done so is the mind, I can understand this logically from a living perspective, but how can we truly confirm this? I’m sure the real answer will present itself one day so it’s not really a serious matter…to me anyway. Thanx, trainedobserver

Let’s just say that our spirit left these vehicles to venture elsewhere…do you think that our dealings here and now will have any effect on our journeys into the unknown? Anyone know of any flat-liner cases when the patient came back “from the dead” after being clinically dead for some time?



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Old 02-09-2010, 09:37 PM   #21
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The secret of life some say ,
is "to die before you die and then find there is no death".
If you understand this you will know that you have nothing to fear
ever again.
thank you amate ...

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That sounds about right but the PC doesn’t have a spirit to govern its existence.
Of course, it is my contention that neither do we and questions about the particulars of an afterlife are immaterial ... so to speak.
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Old 02-09-2010, 09:57 PM   #23
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Old 02-09-2010, 10:18 PM   #24
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Death is not something I fear I have come to terms with death. My fear is committing the same mistakes over and over not learning anything at the end of each of my physical lives. A wasted life, no one to love, no one to care for.
The world is an incredible beautiful place size this moment and live your life as if it was your last day on the face of this earth.
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Old 02-09-2010, 10:39 PM   #25
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At the risk of soundin like a big girl it absolutely grabs my heart that there is such an awake and aware bunch of true spiritual sorts who come visit this forum and with my slow computer telling me its 22:22 makes me wonder even more as i chilax through the evening.
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