Barack Obama hoists the white flag over Stalinist health care proposals

[Tango]

Every CEO (president) of a corporation, brings his own agenda to their

New jobs... This president brought his, to the office; single payer

There are two video's on this page... Scroll down to the second video in

for this thread... But, it can't hurt to watch both if your interested in

gaining knowledge. That's NOT a white flag. He'll ' back off ' to regroup only;

this healthcare thang; is his goal... And, in the second video you can hear

right from his own mouth...

http://www.onemillionconservatives.org/home.php

Trooly,

Tango

[Tango]

For you that do research... This is the way it's done...

Ann Dunham graduated from Mercer Island High School in Washington State, in 1960. Her family moved to Hawaii that same year where she attended the University of Hawaii. It was there that she had an affair with Davis and the result was baby Obama!! See the link for the story...


http://www.reformation.org/frank-mar...vis-obama.html


Trooly,

Tango

[mntruthseeker]

Thats exactly what I seen also.

He is only fooling half the world now. His numbers has dropped tremendously



I am quite sick of the tactics that have played out for "years" with our government.


What you showed clearly shows how decietfull he is......no different than any other president we have had recently, I might add.

Obama is just putting on the finishing touch.

I heard them talk about the H1N1 pandemic tonight on our nightly news and I almost lost my supper. LOL sorry but I'm fighting my urges so bad.
They had to indicate how they need to figure out where to put all the sick people to keep them in quarantee. Like they haven't already figured that out. Sick sick

Wake up people............Only we can save ourselfs.

[Tango]

Whoaa... I don't think he is trying to foool anyone. He is JUST the CEO
(president) of a corporation. He is trying to make a profit for a corp.
You should be more concerned with 'who' gives HIM orders. This is the
same as any other corporation... In fact if someone would check the
history of Germany; everything is going the same as what is going on in
America right now. But, understand He Is Following Orders...

He is a likable guy... And, a fantastic speaker... And, very easy to
backmail because he has children and a history. He is wise to take the
family with him on trips... Oh, and he is NOT enlightened; he has got
to satisfy his controllers or it's gonna be another JFK. Keep in mind
he has been raised; educated; directed through his life for the position
he is Now in...

So, the thing to do is stand up to what congress wants to pass. Demand
a debate on each issue. Hit each and every town meeting and stay
in the face of your representative. Or take them out of office this fall.
Keep things in perspective... You've got to keep the pressure on all the
people in office.

Trooly,

Tango

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Thats exactly what I seen also.

He is only fooling half the world now.

I am quite sick of the tactics that have played out for "years" with our government.

What you showed clearly shows how decietfull he is......no different than any other president we have had recently, I might add.

Obama is just putting on the finishing touch.

Wake up people............Only we can save ourselfs.

[mntruthseeker]

Oh I know all of that.

I just mentioned to my husband earlier what an easy target he is with his two young daughters.

I know who was behind WWII and it sure wasnt the story I heard growing up.

I personally have nothing against Obama. I just dont see him as the one to bring about the change he said he would. I guess I feel crushed by that promise and it was foolish of me to think it would happen LOL LOL



I know that all that is happening today started thousand of years ago....

[Tango]

Their NOT going to let someone reside in the WH unless they can be controlled; have something on them. Good conversation with your
husband; I like that... If they would have pulled the healthcare B.S.
off, who would profit from it... Just, Follow the money... Vendors
and contractors are ALL suspect...

With respect,

Tango

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Oh I know all of that.

I just mentioned to my husband earlier what an easy target he is with his two young daughters.

I know who was behind WWII and it sure wasnt the story I heard growing up.

I personally have nothing against Obama. I just dont see him as the one to bring about the change he said he would. I guess I feel crushed by that promise and it was foolish of me to think it would happen LOL LOL



I know that all that is happening today started thousand of years ago....

[orthodoxymoron]

How about a system which financially rewards people for taking care of themselves...and staying healthy? How about a system which financially rewards doctors and hospitals for keeping their patients healthy? How about making tobacco illegal? How about making hard liquor illegal? How about financially rewarding auto manufacturers for making safer cars? How about looking at the pharmaceutical industry with a scanning electron microscope? How about turning the GAO loose on the medical industrial complex? How about a system which pays Naturopathic Doctors as much as Medical Doctors? How about a system which sends people to Naturopathic Doctors who keep their patients healthy...and who treat their patients without drugs and surgery?

Oh...I forgot...that would make sense and save one hell of a lot of money. We can't have that! Who knows what that would lead to?

[Tango]

Can You Run for Office....? Replace the Rep. in your State....

Your post makes perfect sense to me... You know Congress members
gave themselves a 93,000 pay raise as part of the stimulus...
You would have to pay taxes but Congress members don't pay S.S.

Well, will you run for Office.....?

Tango

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

How about a system which financially rewards people for taking care of themselves...and staying healthy? How about a system which financially rewards doctors and hospitals for keeping their patients healthy? How about making tobacco illegal? How about making hard liquor illegal? How about financially rewarding auto manufacturers for making safer cars? How about looking at the pharmaceutical industry with a scanning electron microscope? How about turning the GAO loose on the medical industrial complex? How about a system which pays Naturopathic Doctors as much as Medical Doctors? How about a system which sends people to Naturopathic Doctors who keep their patients healthy...and who treat their patients without drugs and surgery?

Oh...I forgot...that would make sense and save one hell of a lot of money. We can't have that! Who knows what that would lead to?

[drakishar]

I am amased by the fact that most posters from avalon are so against obama's health care reform. Thankfully i live in a country where i dont have to pay to a private company each month for my health insurance. I am not afraid of not being able to get medical care if i will ever need. And yes is gov. health care program all over the europe. As far as i know there like 500 milions in EU alone and each contry manages his own health care program. USA has around 340 millions i think, so you should have it much more easy. I cant understand why americans are so against the health care program ? after all i assume each can choose if he wants gov. health insurance or private health insurance . The only guys that have to loose are the private health insurance companies .

To be honest i cant belive u guys .... Many of u are open minded to aliens and contactees etc, still u are so against to a simple way of helping your poor fellows. Its just .... You are waiting for an alien savior but u can't accept to help the poor fellow next to you. Doesn't matter why he is poor.

You rather spend time and money and ran around towns to give them food and clothes, but when your gov. wants to give them FREE health care you guys are so against it.
I am not saying that a gov. health care is the best, no is not and it will have aloth of **** in it. But at least the poor fellow will have a chance living for few more days.

[pyrangello]

Drak in all reality , nothings free. And our medical system at present is one of the best in the world . We have Some of the most talented doctors out there and the more experienced you are the more you are rewarded for your skills.
As for the poor not being covered, in any emergency legal or illegal status in this country a hospital is required to provide care for you whether you have health care or not. Did you know that.

the real problem at this point with health care is 2 major problems, there needs to be real tort reform ( a specific cap on medical lawsuits where crazy amounts of money are awarded). If there was a set cap the medical malpractice wouldn't be so high for private doctors. the problem is 2 fold with these ambulance chasers (attorney's ) If there was a cap it would save money in all areas, less testing from doctors from staying on the offensive to basically cover there axx just in case. Est savings 200-400 billion in testing and 2cd a deduction in docs liabilty premiums which would be over 4 billion dollars. the lobbying groups for the attorneys pump so much money into the politicains hands, its just corrupt.

So whats the easiest path of least resistance, stick it to the american taxpayers once again only this time many taxpayers are just tapped out and the words of our managers of this country , the politicains are becoming irresponsible, creating a sense of non realistic, and a very much disconnect to all of us that they don't know what the real world is like anymore , not all in congress seem to think they know better and are much smarter than all of us. Does it really take much talent to sit at a desk and say lets take more money from everybody. And here's the real kicker, there are no panels of doctors that were involved in writing this health care reform bill and no congressman that wrote the original bill either. So where did the bill come from and who really wrote it. What was there goal when they wrote this.

Lets go after the atorneys, the liability costs of our good doctors and make it mandatory insurance companies provide policies for terminally ill americans first and I have a feeling the rest of this will work itself out in the private sector without the interference of incompetant individuals.
























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[drakishar]

Originally Posted by pyrangello

As for the poor not being covered, in any emergency legal or illegal status in this country a hospital is required to provide care for you whether you have health care or not. Did you know that.

Yes i knew about this. I wasn't talking about emergency , but more about those problems that show up in time in a human body. You get older you start too feel sick often and i guess you know why.

What happens when u have problems with stomach ? or your feel a pain in the knee or ankle ? u go to emergency and they will tell u that is not a case of emergency because is not broken . They will suggest u go to a doctor and start a treatment. Now if u cant afford health care u will mostly go home and carry on with your usual life, carry on the pain. Few years later u will go again to emergency because of the pain, but this time they will tell u that they can't do much about it because you didn't perform any treatments .

Now get this example and apply to that guy gov. health care . That person will at least know what to do.

I am not saying that gov. health care will solve all the problems that you have with doctors and lawyers etc. But at least is a chance for the poor dude that can't afford to even apply the cheapest treatment to his knee or ankle.

Related to the fact that USA has the best doctors . Of course you do, you where and still are the leading market of the world. You know what some U.S politician use to say few decades ago , about us dollar , when he was addressing to the rest of the world ? : "US Dollar is our money, and UR problem !" . That is still true because US is the biggest market in the world for now. But that spot will be soon taken by EU.

Things are extremly simple. Is 21 century .
I could understand this if it was about a 3rd world country. But U.S is the world leader. Hoewever i wont let myself lead by guys who refuse to help the rotten fellow next to him, when he can do it and has the tools and the resources to help him ! That is just cruelty ! I am starting to belive that U.S has better health care for dogs and pets then it has for poor humans.

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by drakishar

Yes i knew about this. I wasn't talking about emergency , but more about those problems that show up in time in a human body. You get older you start too feel sick often and i guess you know why.

What happens when u have problems with stomach ? or your feel a pain in the knee or ankle ? u go to emergency and they will tell u that is not a case of emergency because is not broken . They will suggest u go to a doctor and start a treatment. Now if u cant afford health care u will mostly go home and carry on with your usual life, carry on the pain. Few years later u will go again to emergency because of the pain, but this time they will tell u that they can't do much about it because you didn't perform any treatments .

Now get this example and apply to that guy gov. health care . That person will at least know what to do.

I could understand this if it was about a 3rd world country. But U.S is the world leader. Hoewever i wont let myself lead by guys who refuse to help the rotten fellow next to him, when he can do it and has the tools and the resources to help him ! That is just cruelty ! I am starting to belive that U.S has better health care for dogs and pets then it has for poor humans.

I would like to answer that question

Well if that is what you believe than you would be wrong

We treat people very well...............We have popped up all over the US places called Urgent Care......its the step away from the ER. You go there tell them your problem and its handled. Most of these are set up right in the hospital.

I have never ever heard of ONE person being sent away.

I know this for a fact as my daughter worked for such a place

Only on a HMO which is what by the way, this public option is similiar to, will you get treated that way.

Also an uninsured person can walk into one of the hospitals set up for them. We have them in each and evry state and maybe a few. I can't answer for that

I do hope you read this because this new bill they are trying to past will take this away.........You wont even be seen if you dont have any insurance but the ONE they decide

If this was so great then why dont they want it? Why can't we have the same wonderful plan they have?

People need to start asking the questions and stop feeding into the BS

One more thing I would like to answer.................the person that has all the problems with their stomach , bones, lungs etc.......

Oh I was fortunate to have the best healthcare a person could have. They gave me the royal treatment !!!!

I got sent to one dr after another (which they say they will cut out...oh for sure to save money)

I was on 16 different medications a day..............oh was I ever being handled..... I was not feeling the best but I could make it to work, tired and all

I could move my fingers and feet but noticed others not so lucky even though they also had the "best" insurance out there

What happen is they shoved these medications full of venon into our systems and soon I was bedridden but watched my mother die from the same medication they had just given me for my blood pressure.

So I got online and looked all the alternative health advice...............Oh, see I was in bed 24/7 so now I had time.

I started supplements and threw all those wonderful medications away and I am doing great........I can move as fast as my youngest grandson......LOL I am loving it. I'm still on oxygen but I feel such an improvement happening there now that the time is helping. Everyone knows the chemtrails add their touch

So who wants their stupid deadly pills ? I would of been better off if I had stayed away from the pill pushing specialist.