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Old 12-07-2009, 11:17 PM   #26
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Viewer discretion advised. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-z54EP0EhM&feature=fvw

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orthodoxymoron, your posts were exellent, thank you, totally agree
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Why is there so much agony and ecstasy connected with reproduction?
I suspect it is a case of having a guilty conscience. Like an advocate of healthy eating being caught having a chocolate binge. We are told it should only be used for one purpose - then, because it is so pleasurable, we go and make pigs of ourselves by over indulging.

If you had a choice, which would you rather be confronted with on TV - pornography or violence?
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All of those questions are best answered by oneself after much meditation or deep thought on the issue. I've meditated quite often on this subject as I too was very confused with it all but wanted to understand. As I said the difference between sexual freedom and porn is a thin red line. All I will say is masturbation is not porn (although often influenced by it), sexual freedom and nakedness is not porn, sex of any type is not porn, and although not my cup of tea, multiple partners is not porn.... I could go on.

This will probably sound funny to most but the real danger of porn is that it effects us on a deep soul level, you are playing karma, with raw human emotions that are a foundation of nature, the feminine and the masculine, which are way out of balance, and porn is only a by product of this fact. But effect or not, the more it is fed the worse the imbalance becomes.

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Ok. So, porn is toxic.

How do you propose that people express their sexual urges? By repressing them? Is masturbation evil? Are people able to separate the human part of pornography from their animalistic urges and desires?

And what about women that willingly go along with exploiting themselves in pornographic films? How is it possible that they're being used if you can't use the willing?
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I despise both but if I had too I'd choose violence as it is far less tempting...

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Romans 7 - King James Bible - Saul/Paul/Josephus/? (A multi-tasker who might be alive and well...and posting on Avalon? Who knows?) This is a very heavy subject...and it's getting me down. Atlas shrugged...and maybe I should too! Oh wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death? Are these the words of an agonized God of This World? I don't ask this question lightly or condemningly. I keep thinking that the Human God of This World tried to do the right thing...but got overwhelmed by problems and temptations...and that the Dracs took advantage of the situation. I also keep thinking that the full history of human life is excruciatingly painful and sad. The Dracs may have some sad stories to tell as well.

1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? 2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. 6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. 9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me. 12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

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Old 12-08-2009, 03:02 AM   #32
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You might find the following links to be somewhat interesting. Luke Ford's father is a renegade theologian with two doctorates (one focusing on rhetoric in the writings of Paul)...and I attended dozens of his lectures. Luke ended up on '60 Minutes' and 'Entertainment Tonight', etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkg1XiYDNWE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms5vm...eature=related

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I despise both but if I had too I'd choose violence as it is far less tempting...
I'll buy the fact that violence is less tempting, or titillating at any rate. But for myself, I'd rather have a brief fling with porn than a punch on the nose. What I can't get my head around is masochism - it strikes me as being an activity where the person has a guilty conscience with the act which they assuage by making it painful. This way they enjoy forbidden pleasure and feel they have paid the price in agony. That's not my idea of having a pleasurable experience - which, it strikes me, is what it's all about.
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I'll buy the fact that violence is less tempting, or titillating at any rate. But for myself, I'd rather have a brief fling with porn than a punch on the nose. What I can't get my head around is masochism - it strikes me as being an activity where the person has a guilty conscience with the act which they assuage by making it painful. This way they enjoy forbidden pleasure and feel they have paid the price in agony. That's not my idea of having a pleasurable experience - which, it strikes me, is what it's all about.
Sticks and stones may break my bones...but whips and chains excite me!
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:32 AM   #35
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If you had a choice, which would you rather be confronted with on TV - pornography or violence?
TV does not often separate the two - OK, regular TV is not hard porn, but most of the chicks now have half of their boobs hanging out of low cut tight shirts.

The CSI detective leans over the desk of her male partner, with her little tank top letting it all hang out. Then they go investigate the case of the man that was put through the wood chipper and sort through the pieces for clues.

Then there's the one of the Ghost Whisperer lady running around the house in her sexy nightgown after the visions wake her up. And the OLALA daytime outfits, and she turns around to face some gory ghost.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:44 AM   #36
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why do you even watch TV ? Dont watch it - problem solved.

Works for me.

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TV does not often separate the two - OK, regular TV is not hard porn, but most of the chicks now have half of their boobs hanging out of low cut tight shirts.

The CSI detective leans over the desk of her male partner, with her little tank top letting it all hang out. Then they go investigate the case of the man that was put through the wood chipper and sort through the pieces for clues.

Then there's the one of the Ghost Whisperer lady running around the house in her sexy nightgown after the visions wake her up. And the OLALA daytime outfits, and she turns around to face some gory ghost.
What does cross my mind every time there is an intimate scene that starts the TV screen fogging up is - could you imagine getting down to it with a whole camera, sound and lighting crew staring at every move you make - and probably offering suggestions as to how to make it look more authentic? I reckon that would go over like a bucket of cold water.
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What does cross my mind every time there is an intimate scene that starts the TV screen fogging up is - could you imagine getting down to it with a whole camera, sound and lighting crew staring at every move you make - and probably offering suggestions as to how to make it look more authentic? I reckon that would go over like a bucket of cold water.
I am sure the money and "fame" helps.

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I am sure the money and "fame" helps.

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Yes, you're probably right Anchor - I reckon with a good stiff dose of viagra and a few thousand dollars and a slurp or two of MOSCOW MULE, I could be talked into attempting it. (Just don't let on to Mrs Brinty or else I'd have to come clean on how I could afford to shout her to dinner for the rest of her life.)
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lol well if violence was titillating then it would be just as tempting.
Although as Karen brought up they sure like to combine the two.

if I had to EXPERIENCE either porn or violence then I'm with you too, I would choose porn... well depending on the type.

Perhaps this will help to answer you other question concerning masochism, it is from a law of one session.

Questioner: We will now continue with the material from the day before yesterday. The subject is how sexual polarity acts as a catalyst in evolution and how to best make use of this catalyst. Going back to that material, I will fill in a few gaps that we possibly do not understand too well at this point.

Can you tell me the difference between orange and yellow ray activation? I am going to work up from the red ray right on through the violet. We have covered red ray, so I would like to ask now what the difference is between yellow and orange ray activation?

Ra: I am Ra. The orange ray is that influence or vibratory pattern wherein the mind/body/spirit expresses its power on an individual basis. Thus power over individuals may be seen to be orange ray. This ray has been quite intense among your peoples on an individual basis. You may see in this ray the treating of other-selves as non-entities, slaves, or chattel, thus giving otherselves no status whatever.

The yellow ray is a focal and very powerful ray and concerns the entity in relation to, shall we say, groups, societies, or large numbers of mind/body/spirit complexes. This orange—we correct ourselves—this yellow ray vibration is at the heart of bellicose actions in which one group of entities feels the necessity and right of dominating other groups of entities and bending their wills to the wills of the masters. The negative path, as you would call it, uses a combination of the yellow ray and the orange ray in its polarization patterns. These rays, used in a dedicated fashion, will bring about a contact with intelligent infinity. The usual nature of sexual interaction, if one is yellow or orange in primary vibratory patterns, is one of blockage and then insatiable hunger due to the blockage. When there are two selves vibrating in this area the potential for polarization through the sexual interaction is begun, one entity experiencing the pleasure of humiliation and slavery or bondage, the other experiencing the pleasure of mastery and control over another entity. This way a sexual energy transfer of a negative polarity is experienced.


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I'll buy the fact that violence is less tempting, or titillating at any rate. But for myself, I'd rather have a brief fling with porn than a punch on the nose.

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why do you even watch TV ? Dont watch it - problem solved.
Works for me. A..
Well Anchor, I'll answer that question. I am 57 and in high school I noticed that when I was trying to do my homework and my little brother was watching the TV and I would come out of my room and pass through the living room to get something I needed, that stupid TV would suck me in with some crazy kind of power I couldn't believe. I would have to rip myself away and go back to the homework.

Therefore from that time on I watch very little TV, rather than be slave to see the Wed night showing of "Lost in Space", etc. on through every night of the week. I have watched few movies throughout the years, because I don't want to be subject to the mind control they are trying to impose on the collective consciousness. I got a little bit addicted to Mario Brothers video game for a short while when my kids were the age for that, then one day I said this is so utterly stupid and walked away and never looked back.

Heck - I don't even listen to music because I'm well aware as some on this forum are about the really creepy level of mind control, etc embedded into the music. I love the silence and listening to my very own thoughts.

Ok, but now, for the last few years, I live with my mother and that is her life long pattern after working all day, still at the age of 77, she watches 2 or 3 hours of TV. She hates it when I spend all day long isolated in my room doing my work on the computer, which I absolutely LOVE, LOVE, LOVE information and learning. I have tried to stand my ground on the TV issue, but it's a losing battle and for the greater good of this household I have made the concession of spending time in front of the boob tube with her.

We talk during the commercials and it makes it bearable in short segments to chatter about stuff I don't have any interest in. If I bring up any of my whacky stuff, she says nothing or changes the subject. I like the detective theme of the CSI shows, but it is only the last year or two that the scanty clothing, sexual innuendo, and graphic, graphic violence, blood and guts saturate nearly every show.

Well, she doesn't like this either and I am gaining a little ground saying I don't want to watch that kind of gore anymore on the TV shows. I will not watch reruns with her. And at the start of the new season this fall - I'm down to about 1 or 2 hours 3 or 4 nights a week.

So actually I can thank the sex and violence from releasing me from about half the hours in front of the "programming" box. I have made suggestions like why don't we sort through family pictures or work on the genealogy, or label who this or that was handed down from, but she's tired after working and at her age and well ...

for the love of my mom and all she does for me, I make the concession of sitting down and watching a little TV with her and visiting during commercials.
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for the love of my mom and all she does for me, I make the concession of sitting down and watching a little TV with her and visiting during commercials.
That's very considerate of you Karen - to put your mothers interests before your own. I've traveled a similar path to you regarding music. I have a rather decent collection of LPs dating back to the 50s and I have gone through them and transferred the tracks I like most to my hard drive. I currently have 6170 tracks on my 'jukebox' as I call it, and I have it running as long as the PC is turned on. It is the only form of music heard in the house and it is all my favorite stuff - no mind control there. Unless it's been controlled for the last 50 years.
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Anchor: The connection is with the ulterior motive of pornography - mind manipulation of the masses.


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specially if they throw it in your face, even if you are not interested. ( I posted some good examples on 777's thread. If i find the pictures I will post them here) How did people cope when there was no TV, computer, photography?
I hope people do not confuse nudity with pornography...
PS. I have found something else. These are all advertisements for clothes..
http://www.debonairmag.com/the-most-...ashion-history
And this for a good cause...it is not a pornography, but still i do not find it appropriate. It would be ok, if it was an ad for lingerie...


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Religion and STD's...combined with the fashion and entertainment industries...have pretty much ruined the subject of sexuality for me. It's sort of like putting a beautiful wedding dress in a pigpen...and then trying to enjoy looking at it in that context. Cheating, divorce, lawyers, and stupid relatives don't exactly enhance the euphoria.

What I would really like to know about is the Founders...or whoever invented sex. There is obviously evidence of evolution...throughout the universe. And to me...there is obviously evidence of intelligent design...especially regarding sexuality, reproduction, and genetics. Unfortunately...the Founders seem to be missing in action, exiled, imprisoned, murdered, or extinct...and certainly not running things in this Solar System, at least. This troubles me VERY deeply. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3BZF...eature=related

I appreciate the complexity of running this Solar System...and I appeciate the historical and contemporary efforts of all involved in doing so...even if these efforts have not been completely successful (or have even been disastrous). I'm thinking that this universe has been a big mess for a long, long time...and that at this point...the Divinity Within Humanity may be all that remains of the Founders. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. I just want to know who we really are...what the true and unedited universal history really is...and then I want to move on...in a Solar System governed by Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Perhaps then sexuality will shine with it's true light and beauty...as the Founders intended.

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It's sort of like putting a beautiful wedding dress in a pigpen...and then trying enjoy looking at it in that context. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3BZF...eature=related
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I know this is off topic, but I feel it’s relevant , have any of you picked up on the manipulation of speed…..?

I mean the movie “Need for Speed”, its gone from being a movie (with a sound track that appeals to youngsters), on to one of the most popular games on all platforms (with a sound track that appeals to youngsters), to being taken up by the youth as being normal life (while they listen to the same sound tracks), hence they work or “otherwise”, to buy a “cool ride” then spend their hard earned to up grade “the ride” to follow what they think is normal?????

Manipulation to the best, and who gets the hard earned? The film company, the game company, the industrial complex we call automotive, the performance company’s who are related to the automotive industry, and last but not least the music industry, all of which, as we all know belong to the elite, and is rapped up with a glossy cover of beauty and sex…..

Of course this is nothing new, it’s been going on forever, but not to this extent.

Maybe we should just relax, after all, we are in the end days, instead of worrying about all this sh*te, should we not just understand what all this really means, should we not just reflect on how we are as divine spirits, and not read too much into negativity? After all, it’s had it’s time at playing out, now its our turn, we can see it for what it is, instead of debating, we should just continue to ignore as it has no place in our reality….

I feel pity for those that are caught up within the matrix, but ultimately, those that follow, understand on a soul level what they are doing.

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Should I even pity..... No I think not, we each choose when we incarnate. Follow your own path, it's right for you and only you.

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Masturbation is as old as humanity if not older. Erotica goes way back as well.
A simple head shot can be all you need if you find the face pleasing enough.
And don't forget simple imagination!
I believe masturbation started with the cavemen...Two cavemen were walking along a muddy track when one fell over...He stood up and saw he had mud on his 'bits' so he proceeded to rub the mud off...rub, rub, rub...

this is of course a joke!

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Ug! Ug! Ug! Oh Ug!

Rub a dub dub...three men in a hot tub!

Does anyone know what happens when one reverses the batteries in the Energizer Bunny?

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I know this is off topic, but I feel it’s relevant , have any of you picked up on the manipulation of speed…..?

I mean the movie “Need for Speed”, its gone from being a movie (with a sound track that appeals to youngsters), on to one of the most popular games on all platforms (with a sound track that appeals to youngsters), to being taken up by the youth as being normal life (while they listen to the same sound tracks), hence they work or “otherwise”, to buy a “cool ride” then spend their hard earned to up grade “the ride” to follow what they think is normal?????

Manipulation to the best, and who gets the hard earned? The film company, the game company, the industrial complex we call automotive, the performance company’s who are related to the automotive industry, and last but not least the music industry, all of which, as we all know belong to the elite, and is rapped up with a glossy cover of beauty and sex…..

Of course this is nothing new, it’s been going on forever, but not to this extent.

Maybe we should just relax, after all, we are in the end days, instead of worrying about all this sh*te, should we not just understand what all this really means, should we not just reflect on how we are as divine spirits, and not read too much into negativity? After all, it’s had it’s time at playing out, now its our turn, we can see it for what it is, instead of debating, we should just continue to ignore as it has no place in our reality….

I feel pity for those that are caught up within the matrix, but ultimately, those that follow, understand on a soul level what they are doing.

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Should I even pity..... No I think not, we each choose when we incarnate. Follow your own path, it's right for you and only you.
I'm starting to wonder if everything that we consider to be fun has an evil agenda. I love video games. Does that make me a pawn? I love music. Does that make me a pawn?

I totally understand the part about sex but everything else?

I think that we have to set limits and/or moderate our consumption of things that may be harmful to our souls. There will always be a component of each person that craves entertainment of some form. Some people do it better and in a more meaningful manner than others.

Does that mean that we should judge those who haven't yet reached an awakening?

Just some food for thought.
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I'm starting to wonder if everything that we consider to be fun has an evil agenda. I love video games. Does that make me a pawn? I love music. Does that make me a pawn?

I totally understand the part about sex but everything else?

I think that we have to set limits and/or moderate our consumption of things that may be harmful to our souls. There will always be a component of each person that craves entertainment of some form. Some people do it better and in a more meaningful manner than others.

Does that mean that we should judge those who haven't yet reached an awakening?

Just some food for thought.
Moderation in this 3d is best approach.

Never judge a man until you have worn his moccasins for two weeks

peace
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