usa-john tate/ron paul - URGENT HEALTH CARE BILL

[THE eXchanger]

http://www.chooseliberty.org/hcaudio2.aspx?pid=s02

[THE eXchanger]

Dear Susan:

It appears this is the week that the fight over Barack Obama’s government takeover of health care will finally come to a head on Capitol Hill.

With critical votes possibly coming in the next few days, it's never been more important patriots like you be ready for battle.

That’s why I recently sat down with C4L President John Tate to record this very important audio briefing for you.

If you have not yet listened to it, please click the image/link below to hear our message, and then take action right away to stop “Obamacare” before it’s too late.



http://www.chooseliberty.org/hcaudio2.aspx?pid=s02




Thanks in advance for your support in this critical fight.

In Liberty,

Congressman Ron Paul

P.S. After you've listened to this important audio briefing, please be sure to sign the petition Campaign for Liberty has provided for you.

(link above)

[mntruthseeker]

Thanks so much for posting this here

I did my part and I am going to put it up on facebook if I can

We truly need to stop this rediculous bill

[THE eXchanger]

yup - send your $5

let the people, topple them, from their horses

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

yup - send your $5

let the people, topple them, from their horses

Oh dont worry they got my home number, address ....you name it

I got it up on facebook Makes me feel so proud............lots of friends and family there that I know will put their John Hancock on the petition

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

Dear Susan:

It appears this is the week that the fight over Barack Obama’s government takeover of health care will finally come to a head on Capitol Hill.

With critical votes possibly coming in the next few days, it's never been more important patriots like you be ready for battle.

That’s why I recently sat down with C4L President John Tate to record this very important audio briefing for you.

If you have not yet listened to it, please click the image/link below to hear our message, and then take action right away to stop “Obamacare” before it’s too late.



http://www.chooseliberty.org/hcaudio2.aspx?pid=s02




Thanks in advance for your support in this critical fight.

In Liberty,

Congressman Ron Paul

P.S. After you've listened to this important audio briefing, please be sure to sign the petition Campaign for Liberty has provided for you.

(link above)

Exchanger: this is ridiculous....why two posts with the same link about the same subject? Trying to your # of posts up again. I don't believe you will be given a gold medal for the highest # of posts or threads on the forum.

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

Exchanger: this is ridiculous....why two posts with the same link about the same subject? Trying to your # of posts up again. I don't believe you will be given a gold medal for the highest # of posts or threads on the forum.

i was given the link, in an instant message, then got the rest of the information to go with it
~ so, i edited, the link into the letter
(and, you are right - we could have just, edited the 1st post) good point

[mkspllmn]

I sighned it. Thanks for the post.

[mkspllmn]

I have been re-thinking the Michael material. I must say that I think we do have different aspects. This is not as outlandish as some might think.

[Kristoffer]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

http://www.chooseliberty.org/hcaudio2.aspx?pid=s02

I dont know your history here. But ive been in us and i feel that anything thats not what you have now as a healthcare is utter crap.

The "european" way of healthcare is to treat EVERYBODY as equal, it dosent matter if you are homeless or if you live in hollywood. This is compancated with taxmoney, (frankly i dont have a problem with paying 2% more tax to keep the people that need care healthy) and i dont see why you have such a problem with that?

What you have is "only the rich get to be treated" or the people with insuranses whom theyself are pretty rediqiolous since you have to be superman even to be qualifyed for one.

This system of yours is very unfair to the less fortunate once and what you are basicly promoting is to let the poor be sick and die, while you with good jobs can cure ur illnesses.


What i said i live in Sweden, we have always had free healthcare, we dont have to ask for premision to get operated if we need it. We have a dentalsystem so there is a roof on what youre supposed to pay if you have bad teethe, and no, we dont stave to death here cause of high taxes, we live a good,healty life. And so should all humans on the planet have an opporunity to do.

Listening to your interview it just seems that the dude you interviewed was refering to the european system as something bad, why they do we have less infants death for example than you? is it because we are healtyier? may be so.

Im not trying to promote anything here but you both sound like selfish bastards to be honest. As long as noone you know dies ur all good with it, wait until you get unemployed and get cancer, lets see how fun you think it is then.

Cheers Kristoffer

[Boober]

Originally Posted by Kristoffer

I dont know your history here. But ive been in us and i feel that anything thats not what you have now as a healthcare is utter crap.

The "european" way of healthcare is to treat EVERYBODY as equal, it dosent matter if you are homeless or if you live in hollywood. This is compancated with taxmoney, (frankly i dont have a problem with paying 2% more tax to keep the people that need care healthy) and i dont see why you have such a problem with that?

What you have is "only the rich get to be treated" or the people with insuranses whom theyself are pretty rediqiolous since you have to be superman even to be qualifyed for one.

This system of yours is very unfair to the less fortunate once and what you are basicly promoting is to let the poor be sick and die, while you with good jobs can cure ur illnesses.


What i said i live in Sweden, we have always had free healthcare, we dont have to ask for premision to get operated if we need it. We have a dentalsystem so there is a roof on what youre supposed to pay if you have bad teethe, and no, we dont stave to death here cause of high taxes, we live a good,healty life. And so should all humans on the planet have an opporunity to do.

Listening to your interview it just seems that the dude you interviewed was refering to the european system as something bad, why they do we have less infants death for example than you? is it because we are healtyier? may be so.

Im not trying to promote anything here but you both sound like selfish bastards to be honest. As long as noone you know dies ur all good with it, wait until you get unemployed and get cancer, lets see how fun you think it is then.

Cheers Kristoffer

lol, awesome. I am to lazy to listen to the interview, but I know the ron paul point of view. And you have to listen to other interviews by him to see what he is talking about when it comes to the overall picture in relation to the PTB. Either way I like your passion, and I think the U.S. is screwed either way. It just comes back to the age old US question the one that we were raised on, pick the lesser of two evils. What? as a kid I always asked what if they are both evil, well then pick the one thats less evil. lol, really how do I....pick one! then this is followed by if you dont like this country then you can get out. They tooook our jaaaabs!!

[Berob24]

I agree with Kristoffer. I think Boober makes a good point as well about listening to where Ron Paul is coming from. I personally haven't listened to a lot of his stuff. I don't affiliate myself with any political party any more.

As far as health care goes though, I don't understand how people can say that not everyone deserves it. Until people give up their love of money and putting themselves first, nothing is going to change. I see opposition to health care reform as being exactly that. People putting themselves and their money first.

I am not happy with the current proposal, but I think something should be done to ensure that everyone gets the health care they need.

[Boober]

I agree , but the homie Paul is trying to show everyone that the corporations are still going to own healthcare with this new bill, thus its not going to do what everyone thinks it is. Plus , for people like me who cant afford healthcare, even when this bill makes it what 200 a month, which i still cant afford, I cant afford the fine they are going to give me when i dont pay the mandatory healthcare bill, i think the fine is like 90 a month or possiby alot less eitherway. I cant afford either, thus I am losing out with this new bill. Untill I get a little bit of money saved up then I can afford cheap health care. But if you listen to some of Ron Pauls other interviews you will see where the PTB are going to step in and screw this up too. Its all money. This bill is not trying to really help, if it was it would be way different. But at least theres an attempt right? again the lesser of the two evils thing

[Berob24]

Thanks for explaining that a little better. I agree with you- I can't afford it either. So what is the answer? There has to be a solution....

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Boober

I agree , but the homie Paul is trying to show everyone that the corporations are still going to own healthcare with this new bill, thus its not going to do what everyone thinks it is. Plus , for people like me who cant afford healthcare, even when this bill makes it what 200 a month, which i still cant afford, I cant afford the fine they are going to give me when i dont pay the mandatory healthcare bill, i think the fine is like 90 a month or possiby alot less eitherway. I cant afford either, thus I am losing out with this new bill. Untill I get a little bit of money saved up then I can afford cheap health care. But if you listen to some of Ron Pauls other interviews you will see where the PTB are going to step in and screw this up too. Its all money. This bill is not trying to really help, if it was it would be way different. But at least theres an attempt right? again the lesser of the two evils thing

Being a Brit I'm please we have the NHS. I have taken more out of it than I've contributed (16 busted bones, 4ft scars, gut ops) and I'm very greatfull. However I understand what you are saying. This vid will explain the bigger picture http://www.youtube.com/user/stefbot#...97/BMWW1tIODyU

[peaceandlove]

Thanks shybastid.

Here's a bit of 'DIVIDING' going on

Idaho signs anti-health-insurance law

By John Miller ASSOCIATED PRESS
Thursday, March 18, 2010

BOISE, Idaho -- Idaho is leading the charge in a states'-rights push to defeat a proposal in Congress that would require people to buy health insurance, a key reform pushed by President Obama.

Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter, a Republican, used a ceremony Wednesday afternoon to become the first governor to sign into law a measure requiring the state attorney general to sue the federal government over any such insurance mandates.

Similar legislation is pending in 37 other states, a point Mr. Otter stressed when asked if the bill he signed can succeed, given constitutional law experts are already saying federal laws would supersede those of states in a U.S. District Court fight.

EXCERPT:

"Congress is planning to force an unconstitutional mandate on the states," said Christie Herrera, the group's health task force director.

Continues: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...h-care-reform/

[peaceandlove]

States take aim to block healthcare plan

Reuters – Opponents of the proposed U.S. health care bill are pictured during a rally outside the U.S. Capitol …

By Lisa Lambert and Karen Pierog – Sun Mar 21

WASHINGTON/CHICAGO (Reuters) – As the Congress once again rallies to pass healthcare reform legislation, momentum is growing in many states to pass laws to block the changes -- a move that could lead to a legal battle over states' sovereignty.

Bills and resolutions have been introduced in at least 36 state legislatures seeking to limit or oppose various aspects of the reform plan through laws or state constitutional amendments, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

"There's going to be a big free-for-all lawsuit about this," said Michael Bird, legislative counsel for the NCSL.

Continues with VIDEOS: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100321/...tes_healthcare



Raw Video: House votes to debate health bill
17 minutes ago - AP 0:26 | 758 views

PELOSI Babble

President Barack Obama's health care reform overhaul has passed a first round vote in the House. Lawmakers will now move on to debate the bill, and are expected to cast final votes late Sunday (March 21)

VIDEO: http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/18735797

[peaceandlove]

'LIVE' HEALTH CARE DEBATE!!! Go to thread #34 for C-Span Coverage

ABC NEWS LIVE

AT YAHOO: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...26736&src=news



Protester disrupts House, yells 'Kill the Bill'

By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 13 mins ago

WASHINGTON – A Democratic lawmaker says a protester stood up in the House gallery, yelled "Kill the bill" and was cheered by Republicans.

Angry demonstrators opposed to the health care bill gathered outside the Capitol on Sunday. Democratic Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts says that one stood up in the House gallery and shouted, "Kill the bill. The people don't want this."

As the man was yelling and ushers tried to escort him out, several Republicans stood up on the House floor and cheered.

Said Frank: "I've never seen this — for the Republicans to stand up and cheer the guy on." Frank called the Republicans "clowns."

The cheering could be heard from outside the chamber.

Disruptions from the gallery are banned.

SOURCE: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100321/...h_care_protest

[peaceandlove]

'LIVE' HEALTH CARE DEBATE!!! Go to thread #34 for C-Span Coverage

ABC NEWS LIVE

AT YAHOO: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/play...26736&src=news



Obama, Democrats on track for health care vote

By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer – 4 mins ago

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama and Democratic House leaders resolved a long-standing dispute over abortion Sunday, securing crucial support from a handful of lawmakers and setting the stage for a historic vote on a comprehensive health care overhaul.

The White House announced that Obama would issue an executive order after passage of the health care bill that reaffirms current law barring taxpayer dollars for abortion, except in cases of rape, incest and a threat to the life of the mother.

Moments after the White House statement, Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., a leading abortion foe, and six other anti-abortion Democrats announced they would back the health care bill.

"We're well past 216," Stupak told reporters.

Continues: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

[peaceandlove]

Lots of representatives asking for unanimous consent to revise and extend remarks in opposition to flawed (unconstitutional) health care bill!?!

Dead air now...no coverage....hmmmm. Not sure if it will come back on.

[peaceandlove]

LIVE COVERAGE ~ GO TO C-SPAN

C-SPAN LIVE STREAM: http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx



No Where In The Constitution Does The Government Have Authority To Force You To Buy Anything!

From: MoxNewsDotCom | March 21, 2010

VIDEO (1:09): http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsD.../1/s-x6YWbnyek



This Health Care Bill Means More Dead Babies & More Wounded Mothers! Congressman Smith

From: MoxNewsDotCom | March 21, 2010

VIDEO (2:36): http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsD.../0/wYxisrvUyC0

[peaceandlove]

'Live Blog' of the House vote on health care reform

3 mins ago

6:32 PM ET: The House just passed the rules for tonight's debate, 224 to 206. Now on to debate on the legislation itself.

6:30 PM ET: Caroline Sharp asks on Twitter: " is the House really debating the 'fixes' before the bill itself? Doesn't it make more sense to debate the other way around?"

Yes, the House is voting on the "fixes" they want for the Senate bill before they pass the Senate bill itself. It would seem to make more sense to pass the Senate bill before passing changes, but House Democrats were worried that if they passed the Senate bill first they might loss the second vote on the changes, and didn't want to risk leaving the Senate bill intact.

6:25 PM ET: The National Organization for Women has released a statement criticizing President Obama's deal with pro-life Democrats. The group argues that Obama's agreement to sign an executive order reemphasizing that federal funds in the health care bill cannot be used to fund abortions sends the message that "it is acceptable to negotiate health care on the backs of women, and we couldn't disagree more."

6:12 PM ET: The House is now voting on the rules they will follow during tonight's debate. When they finish, they will start to debate on the first of two pieces of legislation they will vote on: the "fixes" to the original Senate bill and then the original Senate bill itself.

6:00 PM ET: If you have any questions about what's happening, leave a comment or tweet at me at @agolis. I'll try to answer a few as I go.

5:54 PM ET: The Hill reports that House Minority Leader John Boehner is telling his fellow Republicans to "behave like grown-ups" if the healthcare reform bill passed tonight. (via TPM's Countdown to Reform Wire)

Continues (hit refresh when necessary to update blog): http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/201003...s/ynews_ts1288



LIVE COVERAGE ~ GO TO C-SPAN

C-SPAN LIVE STREAM: http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx

[peaceandlove]

From G. Edward Griffith's website: http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

Idaho and Utah have joined Virginia in legislation to nullify the Obama Health Care bill – as state sovereignty gains steam. USA Today 2010 Mar 18 (Cached)



States battle feds on health care

Some states are trying to block key parts of President Obama's health care plan, which could spark a legal fight.

State lawmakers try to head off health bill

By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY

In a backlash against President Obama's health care legislation that stretches from Virginia to California, lawmakers in more than two-thirds of the states are scrambling to undercut the bill before it even passes Congress.

Earlier this month, Virginia became the first state to pass a law allowing its residents to opt out of the proposed federal requirement that everyone have health insurance, a key element of Obama's plan. Legislatures in Utah and Idaho this month also approved measures limiting the scope of the proposed $950 billion health care bill pending in Congress.

A host of other state legislatures also are considering new laws and promoting constitutional amendments that would limit federal requirements. Most follow Virginia's lead in nullifying the mandate on health insurance. Obama's bill would expand health coverage to 31 million Americans who currently don't have it and impose new regulations on the insurance industry.

The state measures are likely to be challenged in court, setting up new legal battles over whether federal law can trump state laws.

Continues with States Chart: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...thstates_N.htm

[shybastid]

Peaceandlove:
Sigh

Thanks for your attempt to educate and be a person of reason.

Unfortunatly, the world will learn later then sooner the mistake being made by our government and politicians.
No one in our current governemt cares or understands Constituntional Rights.

Left,Right,Democrat,Republican..Liberal Commie,Right Wing Ideolog...
We have in fact lost our voice by stoopidity and have now allowed a political party to dictate our policies. This is wrong.
We all knew in our hearts,the U.S. dictated foriegn policy on an international level based on corporation and military needs.(Don't get me started on Dow Chemical in Viet Nam and Agent Orange and Afghan and Opium(Korea,Vietnam,Iraq,Afgan)to Protect American Citizens....RIGHT!!!! Hey!! We're not that stupid. What is the adgenda?

Please.... I'm no Shawn Hannity,Glen Beck or Keith Oberlan supporter.
I can type..send Emails and channel surf and read more alternative ideas then any library I ever went to.( I have access to any Library I want now..)
..Wow...that multi tasking?
I can't believe how many RIGHTS have been given away to so many for nothing under this Bill. The Government has more rights now. WE just lost more rights for NO definition of outcome.

Oh Google: IRS is hiring an additional 16,000 jobs to monitor non payment of mandatory health insurance violaters.


Divide and Conquer..Who said that? Not me as an Avalon/Camelot member.
I've read it a million times and was warned by fellow Avolon/Camelot whistleblower members.

And now Avalon and Camelot is a divide and conquer side story? NAH
Coincidence? Actually, I believe it is.

Oh A in Avalon is before C in Camelot..That was my only choice there..
I don't "think" its related.


Now I have to be a coffee bagger,a tea bagger,a democrat,a republican, or a hippie with love and peace and love in my heart to ascend......Or, I'm an uncaring, unAmerican, selfish bastid..I'll post this one more time>>>
Obama will take these illegal alien votes to continue American Constitutional violation rights for his Vote to get relected.
Divide and conquer.
From the L. A. Times
> 1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has
> 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying
> taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal
> immigrants working without a green card.
> 2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for
> illegal aliens.
> 3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are
> illegal aliens.
> 4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to
> illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid
> for by taxpayers.
> 5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention
> centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
> 6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are
> living in garages.
> 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles
> are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
> 8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are
> illegal.
> 9. 21 radio stations in L. A.. are Spanish speaking.
> 10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9
> million speak Spanish.
> (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )
>
> (All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los
> Angeles Times)

I did'nt make up these statistics.. They are from the LA Times..Maybe they did.

Nancy Pelosi is a toad.

[shybastid]

FYI A Toad is a Reptilian "wanna be". Not even on the Radar.