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Old 09-26-2009, 12:44 PM   #1
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I stumbled across an article written by Mark Curtis on guardian.co.uk.
It's about Norway, our benign reputation and how this country is creating a mirage of being such a great, ethical country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...vironment-arms

So after reading this article, how would you guys react?
I've read through a load of the comments made on this article and to me it shows a certain tendency. I will say more about this after some comments here, with my take on this article.
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Old 09-26-2009, 02:38 PM   #2
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The one thing they failed to mention was it is also the location of the world seed vault where non GMO seeds are stored .n
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Old 09-26-2009, 03:31 PM   #3
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lucrum - Like NB, I was going to mention the seed vault. These three topics come to mind for for me, apart from what your article discusses.

1. Inside Norway's ''Doomsday'' Seed Vault
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...bank-pictures/

2. Norwegian HAARP / Tesla technology - "But they don't need implants, they haven't needed implants since 1983."
http://torrentchannel.com/HAARP,_che...nd_mindcontrol

3. Norwegian government is building more and more underground bases and bunkers
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...sage747410/pg1

I'd still love to visit your fjords one day!


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Old 09-27-2009, 12:35 AM   #4
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Yeah, I'm aware of those things.

It's hard for me to watch people from other countries speaking so warmly about my country, like this country never does anything wrong. If anything, Norway has done an excellent job on hiding the things the world should not know about.

And what the hell is up with my IP being banned on www.godlikeproductions.com ???
I've been to that site before, now I'm no longer allowed...
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Old 09-27-2009, 10:06 AM   #5
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I stumbled across an article written by Mark Curtis on guardian.co.uk.
It's about Norway, our benign reputation and how this country is creating a mirage of being such a great, ethical country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...vironment-arms

So after reading this article, how would you guys react?
I've read through a load of the comments made on this article and to me it shows a certain tendency. I will say more about this after some comments here, with my take on this article.
The author was right, though he failed to add the sources for the information so it looks to some people as a Norway rant! Though he meant it to be pointing out the hypocrisy of the Norwegian politicians forked tongues.

Cleverly though this article was meant for UK readers, the Norwegian politicians realised this would look like it was a direct attack on Norwegians so had it published in VG.NO so Norwegians reading it are the majority of commentators on the article doing what the government wants, defending it!

Norway is far from the sterile innocent country that most people outside Norway think it is, far to many Norwegians are also deluded with this same idea. Sweden use to be the same in many respects 20 years ago but was awoken by the mass immigration from the third world at TAX payers expense, but now its too late as the immigrants are now propping up the controlling socialist doctrines!Real Swedes don't have a chance now the bankers have won. Which saw their taxes sky rocket,freedoms eroding and there is NO pension fund left; and those retiring in 20 years wont be able to, and will have to either work or starve!

20 years ago Norwegians near the Swedish border would do their shopping in Sweden being cheaper.Now its the other way around and for all the wrong reasons! What's coming for Norway?

Without the Lotto win of Norwegian oil which props up the very near commie government.

Maybe Norway would be a better freer low tax nation by now without trying to be this on the surface social phony utopia, and spreading it to the rest of the world fooling them socialism/Communism is the answer to a perfect life if not for the oil?But then the other socialist doctrine would have taken over the EU!

With the hidden mad social services, child abuse, heavy drug use princesses included , alcoholism abuse, and one of if not the highest suicide rate in the world! Yeah Norway is a paradise. They don't print that on the fresh clean pictures on the travel brochures of the Fjords!

Though there are real Norwegians waking up now and realising that destroying personal freedoms and TAXING to death anybody who wants to do better than their neighbour is not the answer and that they have been fooled. Governments can never be trusted with personal wealth.

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Old 09-27-2009, 10:20 AM   #6
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All governments stink, I found a dark undercurrent of freemasonry throughout scandanavia, nazi germany was a well ordered society too.
godlike are always banning ip addresses, even if you don't post, I think they ban the network providers ip.
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:58 PM   #7
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Since the anonymous Norwegian politician sent emails about it, some other stuff started (photos) being passed around (I think, since I'm losing track of info chronology).

Underground Bases in Scandinavia II
I know the location of one of these bases and have seen it myself. It's within a big mountain in my old city where I used to live and grew up before I moved from Norway a couple years ago. The place is called Baneheia...

She also supplied me with a photo of a base in Sørreisa, and said this is another underground base but she is unsure of the size of this base. I attach the photo here. This is the top of the mountain base, and she told me these 'spheres' are probably powerful radar systems that monitor a huge area.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=132009





ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US !! (As usual, the comments are interesting on the blogger's page.)

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Also, Norway is a NATO stronghold.

Norway and NATO
From small countries do mighty alliances grow explains the OpsRoom.
Norway has played an important role throughout NATO's history. In fact, Norway may lay claim to getting the ball rolling for NATO’s 1949 founding.
http://www.opsroom.org/pages/intelligence/norway.html

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Old 09-28-2009, 11:36 AM   #8
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Baron pretty much sums up the basics of this country.

No Caste, NATO has indeed been deeply tied with the Norwegian government. I'm quite sure our military has been reduced on command from the US, as to have less resistance from military personel in case our coastline was to be used in a NATO agenda. Some government officials opposed the use of norwegian soldiers in acts of war in iraq and afghanistan, but was met with heavy criticism and threats from US NATO officials. Today we have norwegian soldiers at war, unofficially. The official deal is still that our forces are to be used for peace-preservation only.

Since we do not have a constitutional right to carry arms, the public poses less of a threat in terms of uprising. Heck, even our police aren't allowed to carry a gun unless they ask permission over the radio-com, to use them at a specific situation.
In some cases that means getting killed or almost killed before getting permission.

So the only institution left in Norway that actually carry weapons, are downgraded beyond reckognition.

As for bases, yeah...alot more underground than we are informed. Guy I know was given higher clearance at Rygge Airforce Base, in terms that he was set to guard the entrance to a bunker. That meant having access to the underground utilities that he was told wasn't there. :P Well, wrong person to give this sort of credential, he's a nosy little bugger.

As from what I've heard, we have underground NATO storage facilities with tanks, trucks, guns, missiles and from rumours even nuclear warheads. None of it is operational, but since Norway have signed a piece of paper that state we do not have or allow nuclear weapons or any other kind of weapon of mass destruction on our soil it's highly controversial. Heck, maybe they covered it in the deal, since it's not on our soil...it's in it :P

As for how Norway got to be the country we are now, I think it's because we were allowed. Part of the deal. This country has quite the history of being sort of a pingpong ball in a game between different countries. It's just too lucky that we 40'ish years ago just "caught a break" and exploded with economic growth.
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Old 09-28-2009, 01:08 PM   #9
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Yeah. Here's an article that says it straight up. It's all the same stench.

Pentagon’s eye in Norway
2006-03-31

An American military radar exciding the capacity of all other radars of its kind in the world is placed on the Norwegian border to Russia. Norwegian authorities are repeatedly denying any connection to the controversial US Missile Defence Program, but the manufacturer of the radar notifies the radar is part of its Missile Defence Portfolio...

On May 1, 2001, less than four months after taking office, President George W. Bush outlined his vision for a missile defence system in a speech at the National Defence University.

We need a new framework that allows us to build missile defence systems to counter the different threats of today’s world. No treaty that prevents us from addressing today’s threats, that prohibits us from pursuing promising technology to defend ourselves, our friends, and our allies is in our interests, Bush said, referring to what his administration interpreted as the ABM Treaty’s limitations on research.
http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/isidorpub/P...ProgramID=2460
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:47 AM   #10
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Baron pretty much sums up the basics of this country.

No Caste, NATO has indeed been deeply tied with the Norwegian government. I'm quite sure our military has been reduced on command from the US, as to have less resistance from military personel in case our coastline was to be used in a NATO agenda. Some government officials opposed the use of norwegian soldiers in acts of war in iraq and afghanistan, but was met with heavy criticism and threats from US NATO officials. Today we have norwegian soldiers at war, unofficially. The official deal is still that our forces are to be used for peace-preservation only.

Since we do not have a constitutional right to carry arms, the public poses less of a threat in terms of uprising. Heck, even our police aren't allowed to carry a gun unless they ask permission over the radio-com, to use them at a specific situation.
In some cases that means getting killed or almost killed before getting permission.

So the only institution left in Norway that actually carry weapons, are downgraded beyond reckognition.

As for bases, yeah...alot more underground than we are informed. Guy I know was given higher clearance at Rygge Airforce Base, in terms that he was set to guard the entrance to a bunker. That meant having access to the underground utilities that he was told wasn't there. :P Well, wrong person to give this sort of credential, he's a nosy little bugger.

As from what I've heard, we have underground NATO storage facilities with tanks, trucks, guns, missiles and from rumours even nuclear warheads. None of it is operational, but since Norway have signed a piece of paper that state we do not have or allow nuclear weapons or any other kind of weapon of mass destruction on our soil it's highly controversial. Heck, maybe they covered it in the deal, since it's not on our soil...it's in it :P

As for how Norway got to be the country we are now, I think it's because we were allowed. Part of the deal. This country has quite the history of being sort of a pingpong ball in a game between different countries. It's just too lucky that we 40'ish years ago just "caught a break" and exploded with economic growth.
lucrum, I think that you are probably right! You obviously understand and can analyse and see the hidden better than most folk. Who also refuse to acknowledge the illusion of everyday life, presented to them via the crooked governments and phony media.
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:12 PM   #11
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I think the reason why so many people around the globe see Norway as some sort of glorified nation, is because government officials slowly phased everything out from our soil and onto other nations.

So when we speak of zero carbon emissions, the current yearly production of carbon and exactly how we can manage it so low. Well, try looking up how much producing industry we have. You'll find that most of it is assembly, mostly technology. Our oil is not refined here, we only treat the raw oil to be better for refineries elsewhere to make petrol, diesel and other sorts of fossil fuel.

You hear that our money, the pension funds, that they are equally distributed throughout the country. For all norwegians to share and benefit from. I don't find that a fact at all. We pay road taxes every year, this tax is set to 2740NOK per car per year at current rate. If we do a kind assumption and multiply this tax with number of cars registered in 2001 (3.5 million), we get an annual income of 9.59 billion NOK. This tax is meant to cover road usage and wear, to keep the infrastructure sound and in mint condition.

They using that money you think? Remember, this is a very kind assumption when adding that maybe 2 million of these cars are normal cars, where diesel powered cars cost more in tax. Then you have the lorries and whatnot, which cost even more. Still, we drive on roads that feel like a rollercoaster, new roads that has holes half a meter in diameter in them. What are all these money used for? You tell me, cause I sure as hell do not know where they disappear.

Not to mention our great medical wellfare. Sure! By all means, we have a better deal on this than most other countries. Here's the drawback though: We lack doctors, nurses and other health personnel. Depending on what your problem are, you might end up waiting for months or even years getting a simple answer. Why we lack these kinds of professions? Well, people are given the illusion that we got no money to back up the healthcare of our nation. That nurses have to work doubletime, for sometimes less than singletime pay. We lack doctors, because it's a challenging education, long education and many don't think it pays enough. Most offices you won't catch a doctor after 4pm. The lines are huge and the offices worn down from lack of funding. At my old doctors office, I was met with diagnosis set on behalf of the nurses and given antibiotics for every little thing. The doctor was too busy and couldn't see even half his patients.

Mental health personnel push you around like a dummy, eager to get you back out as they don't really earn anything having you there. I've even had someone desperatly search her textbook to see if she could place some kind of interesting diagnosis, only to claim nothing is wrong at all when she failed to do so. You soon notice who's there to help and who's there for the glory and pay.

I'm currently on sort of a "get back to work" program, because I've had trouble with a busted ancle and some sort of ADHD related problem. I get minimal pay, low enough to be called poor if you go by definision set by the government. My gf is also on this program because of a sleepingdisorder. Together we earn about the same as one normal salary. She has a job, 2.5 hours a day, which is helping us somewhat. However, the institution that handle work, social and wellfare affairs demands all workhours to be reported so they can deduct this from her pay. If she feel she has the energy for it and accept to work full days a couple of weeks, they take away all pay for that period leaving us with a big gap in payment resulting in troubles handling our bills. How is it constructive to punish work-impared people trying to get back to work? How can they ever get motivated to do something extra when they know they will lose money over it? As a result we got loads of people on minimal wages through extremely early retirement.

Norway, the rich wellfare country...still we have older cars on average than most of europe. I think we scored a lower average than most of the eastblock countries. Why do we still drive around in rotten toyotas from the late 70's/early 80's? Because a new car costs you a full years salary if you buy a tiny one. Everytime the discussion comes up, with lethality in traffic and what causes this to be, young men get the blame. The youth, the ones still in school or who just got their first job with lousy pay. The ones that can't get a loan because they have no financial merit. The ones that have to buy a dirt cheap car that barely keep together with old, worn tires that slip the second you think about a wet spot.

I'm not sure Norway is any better than anywhere else. In some ways I'd say it could be even worse, knowing that we got all this money, all these resources...yet nothing ever gets better. This nation forgot the value of people, the value of family and friendship. We got blinded by the golden shinies and now we are a split population.

I cross my fingers for our people finding eachother again and live in unity, as how it is today even your neighbour is a stranger.
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