For "Survivors" Eyes Only

[Peer]

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

If I could ever make it back to northern Minnesota in the event of some disaster, there's more deer,rabbit,squirrels,and all kinds of birds than you know what to do with! The fishing is excellent and easy, and there is still land which is almost untouched by man. The only drawback of going to MN. is it gets extremely cold in the winter, like -20 degrees below zero for days on end. I know all this because I grew up there and also left there when I was 18(way to cold) and moved to Florida. But I am experienced in the wildlife and fishing there, after all it is the land of 10,000 lakes!(state motto) P.S. Squirrel tastes exactly like chicken! and If I knew I was going to a cold climate I wouldn't need the skins of animals because I'd already have coats, sweaters,gloves, and all needed items to stay warm so I don't think we would have to resort to extreme primitive means, unlike the indians and settlers of old had to. P.S.,P.S. I like you're quote about the queens english, funny!

Hai Dan,
I am sure you'll have the right equipment for you.
But what about if the problems outlast your gear?
What if children are born?
I don't suppose you'll go into the nearest shopping mall and get yourself 15 boxes of pampers and get back into the forest again.
If things become so bad that we have to rely on wildlife it is not going to be for a few weeks or a year.
It will be for generations then.

If you hear Naomi Wolfe stating that the administration of G.W.(W.W.worldwidewar)B. is preparing for a fascist policestate it will never be the same afterwards.
We here in Europe have seen what a war will do to a country.
When the Germans were finished with Rotterdam there was nothing left.
When the English and Americans were finished with Stuttgart there were only a few walls left standing.
And that was nothing compared to what is possible now.
If America gets involved in a civil war (not unlikely with a president who likes to see himself as a dictator) the chance of being thrown back into the middleages isn't unthinkable.
If another CIA-orchestrated attack like 9-11 should take place you will be confronted with martial law and it will probably be nuclear so the area involved will be impassible for the next century's.
Do wonder what the first brigade is doing on American soil right now.
I wonder if there will be elections in November.
I wonder if we will be able to make our planned trip to the USA in November.

And about the Queens English: You're the first one to mention it.

Peer has just raised a point that needs to be carefully considered by any who post here about hunting and other "how to" survivalist topics.

Whatever is coming down the pike - if anything - our dependence upon natural resources needs to be tempered by first appreciation, and secondly by the understanding that reliance upon nature for our survival may indeed be a multi-generational situation. Wise and efficient resource use should be the goal. After all, it is excess, greed, and carelessness that has brought us to this point in the first place. That is why in the present and the future, the camper's motto is so important: try to leave your site a better place than it was when you found it.

Peer has also asked "what if children are born?" I started this thread with the assumption that children will be around in these communities from the beginning - it is that circumstance that served as the catalyst for starting this thread . . . to exchange ideas that ensure the next generation's safety and survival.

Wise words Peer, and let's live by them, now, and in the times to come.

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by Peer

Hai Dan,
I am sure you'll have the right equipment for you.
But what about if the problems outlast your gear?
What if children are born?
I don't suppose you'll go into the nearest shopping mall and get yourself 15 boxes of pampers and get back into the forest again.
If things become so bad that we have to rely on wildlife it is not going to be for a few weeks or a year.
It will be for generations then.

If you hear Naomi Wolfe stating that the administration of G.W.(W.W.worldwidewar)B. is preparing for a fascist policestate it will never be the same afterwards.
We here in Europe have seen what a war will do to a country.
When the Germans were finished with Rotterdam there was nothing left.
When the English and Americans were finished with Stuttgart there were only a few walls left standing.
And that was nothing compared to what is possible now.
If America gets involved in a civil war (not unlikely with a president who likes to see himself as a dictator) the chance of being thrown back into the middleages isn't unthinkable.
If another CIA-orchestrated attack like 9-11 should take place you will be confronted with martial law and it will probably be nuclear so the area involved will be impassible for the next century's.
Do wonder what the first brigade is doing on American soil right now.
I wonder if there will be elections in November.
I wonder if we will be able to make our planned trip to the USA in November.

And about the Queens English: You're the first one to mention it.

Good point PEER!, I forgot about the little rugrats, I mean children LOL!, I'm single,46, and no kids so I wasn't thinking,(smoke another one Dan). I guess I'll have to skin the deer and tan the hides and wrap the little buggers up! Anyway, I like the idea of the old indian teepees, easy to make and very transportable. And having a big roll of construction plastic will be put to many uses like water catcher,shelter,wrapping meat, and for keeping things dry.

[Peer]

Teepee is a good thing 'cause you can burn a fire inside.
There is an Indian (sorry dear natives) way of preserving meat and that is wrapping it up in certain herbs and dry it.
It feels like leather but tastes good and you only need half of the amount you normally would consume. Alas I don't know exactly how it is done. (pemican)
Mayby somebody else knows?

I am so lucky to live in a small village where we have a brewery with its own source.
They used to provide water for the whole village untill the official watersupply took over but they would be able to provide again.
And of course they have their way to preserve the water by adding some yeast, hops and malt so surviving here will be not such a big problem.

Peer, I just checked the thread, and all this talk of beer and pemmican is making me hungry!

Pemmican is essentially powdered jerky. For those that don't know how to make either, let me explain. You take slices of meat about a quarter inch thick, and dry them on racks above a low fire. In an ideal situation, you would let the meat soak in saltwater for a bit, and maybe add some spices. You check it often, making sure that is not cooking - basically just dehydrating. When its done, you can grind it up - a mort and pestle would be ideal, smooshing the bejeezus out of it between two rocks will work - into a powder. This powder can be injested straight, or mixed with fresh animal fat or water for a hot meal. French fur traders lived off of pemmican, as large amounts of powder and jerky can be stowed for travel. Its lightweight and supplies the body's protien.

Mobile groups won't need to worry, for whatever reason, about brewing beer. But stationary folks might want to brush up on beer and winemaking - if anything, it could become an incredible exchange commodity. Does anyone here want to give this thread some advice on brewing wine and spirits?

[Dantheman62]

Hey guys, my parents used to make wine and I think I can get the recipe, I think it's very easy, just takes alot of sugar and yeast and some kind of fruit that you want, I remember it being very good because of course I had to steal some when I was a kid!

Thanks Dantheman,

I kick myself in the rear for not taking the opportunity of paying more attention to my Dad and Grampa when they were brewing their own beer. They did it for years, and it was the stuff that really stuck to the ribs. I also kick myself for not taking the opportunity to learn more from a buddy I had years ago - he made the sweetest raisen, cherry, and strawberry wines I ever tasted. Anything you could share would be great.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Mobile groups won't need to worry, for whatever reason, about brewing beer. But stationary folks might want to brush up on beer and winemaking - if anything, it could become an incredible exchange commodity. Does anyone here want to give this thread some advice on brewing wine and spirits?

I'm a homebrewer and basically, you need to either have access to liquid/dry malt extract or access to grains in order to brew. You also need access to yeast (dry is best) and hops. It could be difficult to brew if supplies are cut off but if you can find a farmer that grows malt and you can find a yeast source (possibly brettanomyces or other wild yeasts?), you could make a basic hop-less beer with spices and herbs or try growing hop rhizomes.

[pvt714]

Wat tha pho!...lol:naughty

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

also on a side note you can get cetain multi fuel burners that can burn diff alcohols and petrol ect.. i went into a survial store and the assistant said soldiers in iraq(brit) are drinking metholated spirits cos of an alocohol ban and actually pizz into the feul cap on the stove nesxt day and it runs off that lol.. just another thought about alcohol use..

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

http://militarykit.com/products/camp..._422_stove.htm

not sure about usa stockists butyou get the rough idea with this.. multipurpose fuel burner

[davefla73]

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[astropsyche]

I would just like to add something to the list of survival supplies. If you are taking strong medications try to build up a store of these - this is so that usage can steadily be reduced and not lead to crippling withdrawal symptoms which would be very undesirable in a survival situation. You healthy folk may not get this but those of you who do use such medications certainly will. I am not sure how diabetics will fare in maintaining sugar levels?

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by astropsyche

I would just like to add something to the list of survival supplies. If you are taking strong medications try to build up a store of these - this is so that usage can steadily be reduced and not lead to crippling withdrawal symptoms which would be very undesirable in a survival situation. You healthy folk may not get this but those of you who do use such medications certainly will. I am not sure how diabetics will fare in maintaining sugar levels?

A friend of mine is a diabetic, he has a years supply of insulin and loads of chocolate

Swanny,

Is there a shelf life for insulin? Also, doesn't it need to be kept cool? Does friend have a "mobile" contingency?

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Swanny,

Is there a shelf life for insulin? Also, doesn't it need to be kept cool? Does friend have a "mobile" contingency?

Sorry I dont know I will ask him next time I see him.
I said to him that it mite be a good idea to get some stock built up and he told me he already had a years worth so I guess it must be ok for that long. He does carry some with him and checks quite regularly.

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Swanny

A friend of mine is a diabetic, he has a years supply of insulin and loads of chocolate

Get your friend to go on the 'Simpson Oil' diet...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhT9282-Tw

And they won't NEED insulin, I've freed a few...

[Swanny]

Thx Lance he is reading this thread

[mr.komie]

hi guys and gals, just to let u know that i recently saw adverts for a new water filter bottle. portable filtration of up to 4000lt or 6000lt. the LIFESAVER bottle is great and filters everything down to virus size particles. i searched the web for the best price and global gizmos came up with £20+ cheaper than the manufacturers so i thought woohoo ill have 2. that was 2 months ago and they do NOT respond to emails or phone calls.

with everything thats going on, u dont need the grief like i have. be warned....

[Swanny]

I have this water filter
http://www.trailspace.com/news/2006/...dyn-vario.html

[Swanny]

Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread yet.
It's ok having a stock of supplies to see you through IF the **** hits the fan, remember others will want what you have, so it would be a good idea to have materials availiable to be able to block up windows and doors etc.
You only need one working door to enter and leave your property.
Just imgine you were leaving your house for 5 years and wanted to make sure no one got in, you would board up windows and screw doors shut.
Get your self some 18mm ply wood and some 4x2 timber, some 4" screws, a good battery drill/driver.
Your home needs to be your fortress dont make it easy for them to get in

[Peer]

How about not leaving your house for five years or your survival cellar and when you try to get out discover they build a whole new block upon your ceiling?
Stop blocking in.

Go out and share and be part of a community because you cannot survive alone.
Imagine sitting in your safeplace with just your family day in day out and not being able to avoid meeting eachother.
Go out and share what you have with everybody else and there will be abundance.

Feel how you folks get more and more tight up about things.
Imagine eating canned ravioli for five years.

Forget those Hollywoodhorrorscenarios and befriend your neighbours because those are the ones you're gonna need or get together with the people you meet here that live closest to you.
See what you can do together.

Make an index of what abilities you have.
You cannot do everything alone so you need others with other abilities and share.

Do NOT exchange or think how much you can gather or make profit.
That time is definitly over and if you are still not aware of the results of barring doors and trying to survive on your own go out and look around you and see that this mentality has ruïned the world, relationships, environment, made species go extinct and brothers kill eachother.

Go ahead and bar your doors and your windows from the inside and I will come to help you and bar them from the outside as well.
If you really want to bar something out:
Bar your fears.

Remember the worst thing that ever happened to you.
You survived didn't you?
Then why shouldn't you survive now?
Afraid to loose what you have now?
Is it really yours to begin with?

Go out and spread the news: The word is SHARING and not owning or holding onto what you have now, it wasn't enough anyway was it?

SO SHARE AND LIVE IN ABUNDANCE.

[Swanny]

Yea good point
I wont want to stay here, I'll pack my stuff and hit the road, see who I can find.

[Swanny]

Dont forget that there are some bad people out there that wouldn't care whether if live or die as long as they get food. These people will take the easy option everytime.
Some people have children that they want to protect and help survive so self protection is a good thing to have.
Making your house a safe place is better than being thrown out on the streets with nothing.
Then at least you have a base from which you can feed your family and work with others from.

But this isn't going to happen anyway

[Peer]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Dont forget that there are some bad people out there that wouldn't care whether if live or die as long as they get food. These people will take the easy option everytime.
Some people have children that they want to protect and help survive so self protection is a good thing to have.
Making your house a safe place is better than being thrown out on the streets with nothing.
Then at least you have a base from which you can feed your family and work with others from.

But this isn't going to happen anyway

Those people are there now too. They are the cause of what is happening right now.
Hiding for those couple of robbers is nothing compaired to what is going on now.
Making your house a safeplace will only draw their attention.

Being out in the open and knowing how to survive is always better than being a sitting duck but then again there is a time for evey purpose under heaven:
You may find a group you can join and start an community or become part of one.
Chances to survive by staying alone in your house are zilch because if it happens it won't be for five years but for generations to come.
You will have to deal with it, whether you like it or not.
Hoping it will pass by your door is like trying to arrest Katarina and bring her to justice before she hits New Orleans.