for ground crew NOT moving anywhere

[micjer]

In a worst case scenario I would still rather be where I am with our survival plan, our friends relatives and contacts(hunters, carpenters, farmers, welders etc.) than be in a foreign country where I know no-one.

We live in the country, have access to a woodlot for firewood, have a natural well for water, grow our own food and have a back-up generator for electricity. Why would I want to leave.

Now if I lived in a large city on the coast in an apartment I might consider moving, but that is a personal choice and an individual will have to determine what their gut tells them.

[macleodmunro]

Well done CK for starting this thread.

I never seriously considered going anywhere, and i'm glad i'm not the only one thinking like this.

I'm certainly not leaving my family behind, and i can't take them to a radient zone as my mental kids would destroy the vibe in an instant.

No, i'm gonna stay put and just see what happens. And if that's a bad choice them guess what, it's only the vessle that dies, and thats gonna happen anyway.

Besides Scotlands not a very big land mass and it's only an hours drive from the coast where i am to the deer and rabbit ladden hills.

Not sure how i'd hunt them though. People don't tend to have guns here.
Maybe i'll take up archery.

Best of luck everyone, Paul.

[dayzero]

No matter where you go, there you are.

[addalight]

Bless you Clark Kent for starting this thread. This is such an amazing community. We have signed up to help with the transition, what ever form that takes. Preservation of love, joy, free will and our connection to Creator/Spirit is most important. That is something that goes beyond physical survival. Thank you Merlyn for reminding me of Black Elk. He created a spark in my heart that has stayed with me for last 30+ years.

geeeeze finally someone singing my song...thanks

i am not moving..i don't have gold or silver..but i have wonderful folks around me in this small boro..
i volunteered to the zoning board to learn how the community is run..
the boro council makes 50 bucks a month and they do an awesome job
people talk to each other and help where needed..
i have been planting veggies and herbs in the flower gardens as well as a large garden..
i am sharing seeds to anyone who wants them

and i have ask to be removed from the registry here because i am going back to playing polyanna and digging in the dirt and meditation on the joy of growing and sharing...

what will be will be...but i think i can do much more good by being positive
and radiating joy to those near by than i can by being here and chit chatting about what is the right thing or who does anyone else think they are

but i must say there are sooo many of you wonderful folks out there
i hug you all
and
thank you for your positive views and your FEAR-LESS-NESS

wavin



Dian


also you might want to check this out
http://www.communitygarden.org/

[Morgan]

First, thank you for starting this thread!

Originally Posted by clarkkent

i think theres a good amount of people reading these threads that are a little bummed that the latest interview which was called one of the more powerful and important ,was, to some people, fear based and doom and gloomy.
now dont get me wrong micheal st clair and others who prescribe to the "safe place" ideas present EXCEPTIONALLY positive and rational ideas.
but its a fact that these ideas are wrapped in the fabric of survival.

I haven't seen the last interview, but this does not make me want to! What knd of advice is 'move away from where you are!' for people who can't? There are plenty of spiritual and awake POOR people who can't just up and leave, and even some who ARE affluent and spiritual will not so easily leave behind loved ones to suffer. I don't think fleeing to radiant zones is the answer to what we will face. The chaos will spread everywhere, if people believe there will be mass chaos. (I do not believe this, however.)

I think everyone is going really overboard with predictions of doom. People are getting a little (or a lot) into fear mode, some are even unaware of it. I wasn't born yesterday, I know there's some challenges coming, but has anyone noticed that there are about as many different predictions for how it's all going to go down as there are people on this forum? (At least it seems so!) We have this amazing ability to get trapped in our minds and make problems WORSE than they really are.

This is exactly what I am refusing to partake in. Yes, with my puny savings I will perhaps get some seeds and other cheap supplies, but when I'm not on Avalon I'm hardly thinking about this stuff. Whatever happens happens, I can't stop the government or earth changes and I'm not going to play the terra-lottery trying to 'outrun' the PTB or the tsunamis.

No offense to people going the other way, everyone makes their own decisions and you gotta do what your voices are telling you. I just appreciate this thread because it's for 'the rest of us' who are staying behind.

[333mark333]

Thanks Its like i said earlier- its not where we live but HOW we live. Edgar cayce.

[MMe M]

So as to moving I have a few thoughts presently.
When I first became aware of many things, I had an overwhelming urge, a sheer stupefying panic to get out of here, not just my current location, but the whole continent. Once that panic passed, I considered ways to make my current location safe if I must dig in. Finances do not allow this luxury and now I am seriously in doubt as to which path to pursue. The future predictions peoples maps are a little fuzzy as to Michigan. I know for certain there was water everywhere here once, my property is covered with rocks containing fossils, really cool if your not awake, terrifying if you are as my house is on the highest area in at least a 50 mile radius.

I see the Norway guy offering to set up a commune type deal for little $$$ and that could be kinda cool but I keep hearing this voice inside my head saying “NO Flippin way!!! Ahhh ….Jonestown…duhhh!” regardless if it was AK47’s or grape kool-aide, I need some people in the hood that speak my language and I need to know the terrain, culture and military in order to survive.

I really liked the hobbit house idea but that requires land, which means I need capital so we are right back to square one. I will probably change my mind five more times by the time I hit the post button. I do know that currently my choices have been reduced drastically by outside uncontrollable events and this is what makes me the most insane. When I feel I have no means of manipulating the outcome I am in a sheer state of panic.

Choices are freedom and we are all loosing the ability to choose.

[sunnyrap]

What you're saying here is spiritually sound, at heart, but has some elements I think you may not be considering. It strikes me that a good balance between acting on what your heart and spirit urges you to, and taking wise, practical steps to preserve yourself for that service is not acting out of fear, it is acting out of FULL service to others. Preserving yourself if your goal is to serve others is also service to others. Its a matter of intent, imo. How about gathering up all the people around you that you can and leading them to a place where they have a better chance to continue to do and be more for themselves and others? Attachment to place isn't about service to others--attachment to place could just be pessimism/hopelessness and fear of taking responsible action.

[arcora]

I know I am in the right place. I believe God brought me here.

I am not leaving because George Green or Michael St. Clair say I should.

[Gale]

It's about maneuvering ones selves into a better mind set for what is coming. Not to mention position/location, which includes supplies, making contacts and hunker down until the worst is over.

Arcora

[Norval]

When the hit sits the fan, it wont matter where you are.

It will matter "what" you are. The kind of person you are.

Right on Gale and Arcora, , ,

[MartyMcFailure]

Clark, Another great and thoughtful idea you have in this thread.

I encourage everyone to look at the segment of the PC interview of Bob Dean where he and Marcia Shafer are together. We have been born, lived and died on this planet many times. The people in our lives, our loved ones are likely souls we have journeyed with and worked together for many incarnations.
Bob dean also remarked the earth is known throughout the universe/galaxy as being one of the toughest 'schools'. going thru a few incarnations here earns points. WE ALL ACCEPTED THIS INCARNATION, THIS CHALLENGE TO BE HERE AT THESE TIMES. DIFFICULT TIMES, BUT WE ARE THE ONES THAT OTHERS WILL LOOK TO TO LEAD. when **** starts really changing, others will wake up on even more massive and massive scales. The 100th monkey syndrome in effect. The NWO, the evil ET's and the Luciferian interdiensional consciousnesses are balance in the universe by the forces of light. Gaia is rebelling because we r out of wack, too much negative.

So in my opinion whatever we r facing is gonna be catalysts for great and awesome positive change. the catalysts themselves might be a little rough but we each have to face ourselves exactly in the ways that will be most challenging
Not everyone is so far advanced spiritually that they will be able to be doing meditating and levitating in radiant zones bartering blocks of gold for rides on the great spacer with the nordics.

Well done Kyle for starting this thread. I'm getting completely put off by the doom and gloom perspective that Avalon seems to have taken as its basis. Whether it's intentional or not it's based on the belief that catastrophe is coming. I will not accept that premise.

Neither do I believe the recent pronouncement of Ashtar Command that it's all ok, the Illuminati have been defeated now so chill out and relax. It's just more Divine Saviour crap.

I could move but I choose not to. I believe I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be and with the people I'm supposed to be, and I'm not running off to live in a cave somewhere because I'm frightened of what, if anything, is coming. If I die, so what? It's not like it hasn't happened before.

I'll deal with life as it comes. I'm trying not to be chained by the past or influenced by fear of the future. The only moment is NOW. Enjoy it.

Blessings to all

[clarkkent]

here are some very good quotes by henry deacon i found in another thread (thanks for compiling them!) i think they are all pertinent to this thread.

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"If people want peace, they will have peace.

Think peace, Talk peace, Speak peace, See peace".

"If someone is instilling fear.. Avoid them".

"We will have peace and harmony if we wish for it and we turn our focus, attention and efforts in the direction of peace, cooperation and harmony".

"learn how to relax"

"Your thoughts mold (form the matrix) the world you live in.

A Great Peace will soon be here.

Think of it and work towards bringing that peace about.

Turn your gaze in the direction you wish to travel.

Help others to look in that same direction....
See that wonderful world ahead and move towards it now.

This is your Key".

"The "negative" aspects will disappear if you turn On the Light.

If one continues to think, talk, focus, pray, etc. - with focus on the dark ... the dark will appear to have control.

You will only "feed" it by fighting against it or by praying to get rid of it!

Fear and thoughts of war will ONLY hold you captive.

Darkness is the absence of Light. Darkness is Not the opposite of Light. They are NOT opposing forces.

Darkness is akin to ignorance (lack of understanding the true nature of things).
Light is like Knowledge.

Photos and Images of conflict or war only aid to trap minds in a state of illusion, fear and ignorance.

Read what is above and Wake UP !
Please

This is for You. not for me".

"THINK PEACE.. and you WILL CREATE PEACE".

"There will be Sunshine and much better times ahead.... quite soon".

"Let's help each other to continue bringing More happiness and optimism to this realm.

Share your optimism with everyone you meet.

Remember the Butterfly Effect.

Hugs"

-Henry Deacon

[clarkkent]

Originally Posted by sunnyrap

What you're saying here is spiritually sound, at heart, but has some elements I think you may not be considering. It strikes me that a good balance between acting on what your heart and spirit urges you to, and taking wise, practical steps to preserve yourself for that service is not acting out of fear, it is acting out of FULL service to others. Preserving yourself if your goal is to serve others is also service to others. Its a matter of intent, imo. How about gathering up all the people around you that you can and leading them to a place where they have a better chance to continue to do and be more for themselves and others? Attachment to place isn't about service to others--attachment to place could just be pessimism/hopelessness and fear of taking responsible action.

i didnt mean to imply everyone moving is in service to self or that wanting to live is service to self.
i just meant for me my life would be empty without the people i love and knowing i abandoned them when they needed help...i dont know, i just couldnt live with that, it seems selfish.

if you gather people to go someplace less chaotic thats great, and very practical. im just saying the vast majority of people, even people here cant move to switzerland,ecuador or the four corners. so it might be prectical to discuss keeping a level head through these times and not believing "end times" is a forgone conclusion.

-kyle

edit- i also thought if you are enlightened why show someone the most negative outcome and say "you better not let THAT happen"
it would be like if someone came to my house and showed me a video of me walking out the door and getting mugged, stabbed, shot. then saying "be careful"------
im really not going to enjoy my walk if i live in fear of getting mugged. this is what the evening news does, it puts fear and survival in your mind, how is their "end times" message any different?

[Sanat]

Originally Posted by clarkkent

hi folks,

this is not "diss" to anyone, ive just noticed there are plenty of people on Avalon who just arent going to move to any radiant zones or four points or anywhere else that isnt forecasted as doomed.

the fact is people have lives and loved ones friends etc that will have to go through these "rough waters" so to speak and many people just wont abandon them to live with strangers in rural communities who were brought together in survival mode.

ive quoted PC witness marcia shafer and ill do it here again
"live for life dont live for death"

i think theres a good amount of people reading these threads that are a little bummed that the latest interview which was called one of the more powerful and important ,was, to some people, fear based and doom and gloomy.
now dont get me wrong micheal st clair and others who prescribe to the "safe place" ideas present EXCEPTIONALLY positive and rational ideas.
but its a fact that these ideas are wrapped in the fabric of survival.

again dont get me wrong, ive bought silver and will probably move back to my small town if things get unpleasant in NY, practicality is different than "to be destroyed or not to be destroyed" ---where im headed (northern CA) is not under what any contactee or PC witness has stated as "safe" or "radiant" but again if a tidal wave sweeps me away id rather be with the community i grew up with and my mom and a couple friends.

to me, FEAR of death has been the ONLY way very few people could control and manipulate the many. if it really is our fate for 95% of humanity to be destroyed then that means a LOT of good and spiritual or non spiritual people will be gone, maybe i might have to be one of those people. in fact the elite have the same agenda , they have their "safe places" underground
they have the same fear/survival conscioussness.

heres a thought-
wont people need people like us, who know what the government is really up to? wont people need calm and spiritual people to help guide them through the chaos and organize and work to get through the times ahead?

is it service to others if you abandon everything you know and who you love to go to some remote place and hope you dont die? or is that service to self?
earth has many different futures and realites, why choose the most damaging one? why give your energy to it? heres a quote from gregg braden (google the name to find out about him)

"Quantum science suggests the existence of many possible futures for each moment of our lives. Each future lies in a state of rest until it is awakened by choices made in the present. "

regarding this
check these please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vN686OUAJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko4eh...eature=related

with that in mind,
let this thread be a place for people who arent moving and need to discuss ideas on living through these times based on where they are.


-kyle

I could not agree more, Clarkkent!

So many people are still struggling to digest the "dire predictions" and doom/gloom scenarios. The predictions etc. given to Bluestar and many others were accurate at that point in time. They have since been transcended because of the ever raising level of consciousness of mankind. Both the carrot and the whip is needed to get things moving after all...

Unless you feel in your whole being a deep longing/urge to move somewhere, then you are exactly where you should be. There will be some turmoil as the old gives birth to the New. This is natural. But we are NOT left to ourself in cleaning up this messy situation! That is the great misunderstanding I would like to adress here.

Imagine Earth/humanity as a pregnant women about to give birth. Is it natural that she will be left to herself during that process? No, she will require help and love/care from others. The ET overseers function as the midwife in this situation. They protect and make sure the birthing process is as safe and painless as possible. However, a birth is never without turmoil and pain. This is also natural. But there will NOT be a miscarriage. The outcome of the situation is already set. Exactly how it will play out, is not. That is what makes it exciting after all.

The great misunderstanding is that we are left alone in all this. This perspective is about to change (14. october). We have been told that we "need to take responsibility for ourselves" and that "the ETs will not save us". This is true, but what does it really mean? It means that the ETs can help/assist those that help themselves. An effort on our part goes a long way.

The meaning of these "mantras" is also to be understood in a more spiritual context, and not so much in the mundane context that many have come to understand them. Remember, the ETs have been assisting mankind throughout our history in all sorts of subtle and less subtle ways. As the end of the cycle approaches and mankind rises its vibration to "meet them halfway" it is only natural that all this finally comes into the open.

"Taking responsibility for ourselves" does not mean that we will have to fix all mundane problems ourselves with limited technology. It simply means we need to raise our level of consciousness and mass consciousness to meet the ETs halfway. Getting out of victim consciousness is the first and most important step and this has been achieved on the level of mass conciousness even though a lot of people are still struggling with it (see this post for details: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...4&postcount=20).

David Hawkins (see the post linked to above) illustrates the power of the Light with this quote from his famous book "Power vs. force (1995)":

Although only fifteen percent of the world's population is above the critical consciousness level of 200, the collective power of that fifteen percent has the weight to counterbalance the negativity of the remaining eighty-five percent of the world's population. Because the scale of power advances logarithmically, a single Avatar at a consciousness level of 1,000 can, in fact, totally counterbalance the collective negativity of all mankind.

He also has a chart which further illustrates the power and importance of just one single individual raising his/her level of consciousness and its effect on mass consciousness:

1 individual at level 300 counterbalances 90,000 individuals below level 200
1 individual at level 400 counterbalances 400,000 individuals below level 200
1 individual at level 500 counterbalances 750,000 individuals below level 200
1 individual at level 600 counterbalances 10 mill. individuals below level 200
1 individual at level 700 counterbalances 70 mill. individuals below level 200

(we can always argue about the numbers, but I think the point he is making is pretty obvious and clear).

The ETs will not and cannot "save us" or "take responsability for us" for the simple reason that no soul can evolve for another soul. If humanity had "choosen" not to evolve out of the dire predicions we would have had to face the consequenses. However, since we have evolved above victim consciousness (currently at level 256 according to my measures yesterday) things have changed and it is bound to manifest in the mirror of physical reality (14 october is the beginning of this). The higher we climb the more assistance can the ETs give us as they simply reflect our changes in consciousness back to us in the physical reality. At some point we will meet halfway with them and have a great celebration!

Taking this into consideration it is easier to see through all the turmoil of birth, and rather look forward to - and envision - the joy of a newborn humanity.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by clarkkent

hi folks,
heres a thought-
wont people need people like us, who know what the government is really up to? wont people need calm and spiritual people to help guide them through the chaos and organize and work to get through the times ahead?

is it service to others if you abandon everything you know and who you love to go to some remote place and hope you dont die? or is that service to self?
earth has many different futures and realites, why choose the most damaging one? why give your energy to it? heres a quote from gregg braden (google the name to find out about him)


-kyle

Awesome post kyle, many good points overall.

I would have to agree with you. It seems like a paradox to most people, on one hand they feel that if they left their families and their friends to go live in a 'survival community' they would be servicing themselves whilst leaving their loved ones in the lurch.

- I suppose you could say that the key here is intent? If someone moves to just preserve their own life, without any care for sharing their knowledge and experience with future generations in an attempt to make some sort of positive progression then its apparently a selfish act. And im quite sure that these people wont get very far regardless of their knowlege or experience, in tought times it is essential to have the help of others, and when one has a service to self state of mind they will find that there are not many people willing to help them.

And then on the other hand, if by leaving their families and friends with the intent of sacrificing their lives for the good of future generations they would be doing a great service to hummanity through preserving their skills and their knowledge so that when we do rebuild society we will be equiped with the experience that will ensure we do not repeat the same mistakes.
- This is essential. It cannot be stressed enough that without good spiritual people we may survive but only to repeat the same mistakes.

Some people must make this sacrifice, but the only question is who?

I'm stimmied as to what i should do. I have my family and friends here, but i would leave them in a heartbeat and sacrifice myself for futures generations.

But ;

* How do we really know that something is going to happen?

This must be overcome to make any progress. Ive been exposed to a lot of information on probable futures, and its safe to say that the majority of people have a very negative expectation for the not so distant future.

But how can we be sure, it feels like being stuck in a rut. Something inside me is calling to take action, but i dont know what action to take. It seems so much easier to stay here and go out with a flash. But.. gah, this is the most difficult and uncertain situation ive ever been faced with in my short years here. I know that i would take that action, if i could be certain about the outcome.

What happens if we abandon our families and leave our posts only to find out that i was all done unneccesarily.

Please, thoughts on this would be very welcome.

[Molly]

Accipiter Phi, that is such a moving testimonial.

I woke up back in June withe very clear thought, "I have six months to Live!" It gave me a sense of urgency about preparation, which I've done, but also, mixed feelings about what I've done with my Life.

Maybe like someone with a terminal illness, I've gone through regret, melancholy, a sense of loss, completion of past relationship issues, and coming now to more acceptance and joy. I can't see the future, but I know this awareness of something pending has Brightened the colors, and made the peaceful moments so full.

The postings about n. america being a smoking hole, then bye bye off to S. America felt somehow off and of a limited perspective (we are all limited in our perspective, since we can't see the many future possibilities). The veils are thinning, so maybe there's another world even more lush and loving than this one....and that awaits us at the right moment. I've started to visualize a farm and have it so clearly in my mind's eye.... Trust (something I have to remind myself 87 times a day since my red-alarm for pending trouble is going off.)

I am drawn to stories of courage in the face of death lately. Like sophie scholl of the white rose....during the 30s, this german student spoke of finding beauty amidst the horrors, and her last words were, The Sun Still Shines.

I want to build up the courage and awareness of myself as infinite....experimenting with creating reality, and willing to place this fleeting life in the service of a greater cause, all the while knowing i will live on no matter what. and so will you! there is nothing to fear..... (88th time, lol)

[Molly]

Forgot to say, thanks Shamanka for those inspiring words, and to everyone on this amazing thread....I am so heartened by what you all are saying. Maybe we'll meet up and have a big larf over all this at some future point.

I came across this today, and the response to the urge to 'get out of Dodge.'
A vision of the many future dimensions of Earth...just more food for thought.

Being the peace we want to step into:



MY JOURNEYS INTO THE FUTURE AND THE GREAT HARVEST OF SOULS

---- by Tom Smith

Contents:

Good-bye To Earth - The Journey Begins
The Destination Planets
The Third Dimension
The Fourth Dimension
The Fifth Dimension and Beyond
Return Visits To Earth
When And Other Information

After having read all the changes and potential changes to the Earth, many may feel it is time to "get out of Dodge". Many will do just that, as they have chosen these times to make their transition. But many more will remain to be an integral part of the changes. Actually all of us are part of the changes. Whether you believe it or not, we have all "signed on" for this adventure, for as many reasons as there are humans.

In the channeling of July 15, 1992, the Sun God mentioned that I and others have traveled into the future. Indeed, I have been privileged to have taken such journeys, and have seen us leave the Earth to live elsewhere. I have seen some of what is ahead for the Earth and humankind. I have been allowed to see the Master Plan in motion.
Part of my divine plan is to write and teach the truths. Therefore, I am writing about some of my experiences as I become a part of the transformation of spaceship Earth as she prepares for her final cleansing. Where do each of us go and what is it like when we get there? This is some of what I am about to tell you.

After some thought about which approach to take, I decided to present my future travels as they impressed me, as I was there. It is written as it was happening - in the present. It is my sincere hope that each of you can feel my experiences for yourself and not be fearful of them. It is my intent to convey what it will be like for me to leave the Earth and all of my possessions behind, and to settle on a distant planet, in a new home and in a new surrounding. It is not intended to be presented as an emotional experience, although I certainly had mixed emotions. All those that I saw or talked with during my future travels showed no fear about what is to occur, or what had already taken place. With the many changes in Earth energies, as well as "777" universal energies, all changes are now occurring at an accelerated pace.
By the time the Great Harvest of Souls arrives, most of us will have a totally different mindset than now. Much of what you read here and hear from others will not be as "far out" as it may now seem.

This is not intended to be a thorough description of what I have seen and felt in the future. My journeys are not the purpose and focus of this book. Besides, as much as I have been privileged to see, I did not get the full "tour," at least that I can recall at present.
This is not channeled material, yet I asked for guidance as I have tried to communicate some of what I have seen, heard and felt. I also asked for assistance in editing what I have written. It is not my wish to exaggerate what I have been witness to, nor invent any of it, nor even use someone else's experiences. At my request, the Sun God has assured me that what I have written is as I have experienced.

Good-bye To Earth - The Journey Begins

It is obvious to all of us that it is time to leave. There is no fuss, as each of us quietly walks to the meeting place. We have only what we can easily carry in our arms. Most of us have come to realize the true value of letting "things go" and of trusting. There are many of us gathered around talking quietly. We are excited nevertheless, for this is a new experience for us. We don't know exactly what to expect. But it is a subdued excitement. At the same time we are not nervous. There are children and they play, yet our entire demeanor and movement is like a prayerful action, a real-life-ceremony. We don't particularly want to leave the Earth, since this is our home. We love the Earth. But we also understand the joyful feelings of the Earth as she is very close to taking that big leap into another realm of her own. She is graduating into the 5th dimension. It is necessary for us to honor and respect her desire to do this, and we must leave while she finishes the house cleaning that she must do as final preparation for her new look. We understand. We also realize many will some day return to once again coexist in love and harmony with the Earth. But for now, we are to continue our growth and development on another "Earth planet."

There is much space craft activity, as there has been for the last week or so. Our space friends have been busy with their final preparations to ease our concerns. We have met with our space friends as they explained what is to happen and how we are to be leaving. They are available anytime we need them. They answered all the questions we had. In fact our space friends have encouraged us to talk among ourselves to make certain we understand and have no more questions or concerns. Of course we all have concerns simply because it is a totally new experience. Our parents and teachers have never prepared us for times like these. We are truly the pioneers of new frontiers.

So we have concerns, but each of us seems to accept what is unfolding.
Many are really happy with it. There have been so many changes to the Earth that none of us are certain what might happen next. I have been more prepared than most for the Earth changes, but it is not always so easy to watch and feel the cleansing power of the rain, wind, the Earth quaking and poles shifting. You know deep down that these have been necessary for the good of Earth and us as well. However, we still live in the physical and some physical changes are easier to accept than others. Nevertheless, we accept and move on. We all prefer a quieter time, a time when we do not have to worry about the next major change that might affect our living patterns. At the same time most of us have adjusted very well to our new ways of living off the land and helping each other. There is much satisfaction and true sharing in doing this.
So we are ready to leave.

There are about 30 of us waiting for the craft to pick us up. I live in a thinly populated area. There are families of us clustered together.
This is also the way many of us want to continue on our new planet as soon as this is possible. As the craft quietly comes down for us, we become deadly silent. This is it, good-bye to our Mother Earth.
The craft lands close by and our space friends from the Pleiades come out and welcome us aboard. They are filled with great love for us and the Earth. Our small group is of a similar vibration, and we will be going together. Our space friends make us feel very comfortable with their loving ways. We quickly become more upbeat.

Our craft lifts off and in a few moments we are approaching the mother ship, the one that will actually take us on our journey. The mother ship is huge. I do not estimate dimensions well, but I will say it is 10-15 stories high and stretched as far as I can see, at least from my vantage point. It is 10 miles long, I am told, and the equivalent of 20 stories high. "There are others orbiting the Earth as well," says our space friends. The ships have been especially constructed for this great day. This is called the period of the Great Harvest of Souls. Each on the Earth will be taken aboard a similar vessel as the Earth is ready for her graduation. Those who are sensitive to different vibrations remark of joyous vibrations and music coming from the Earth. In fact many of us hear celestial music as it plays in the background. The Earth is not sad to see us leave, as she knows many will return in a relatively short time and live in perfect harmony with her as light-bodied humans.

I do not recall much about our flight to our destination planet. It does not take long. I am told that it could be quicker. The space friends on board are using this time for some teachings and assistance to those who wish to have it. We are given another overview of what to expect when we land. Since most are still used to routines, we are given specific directions on what to do. We are told not to worry about remembering everything, since there will be sufficient opportunities to hear it again when we land.

The Destination Planets

Each of us is taken to a destination planet that relates most closely to our individual vibration. Our space friends easily and instantly determine where each of us belongs. There is absolutely no way to fool them. We just cannot suddenly pretend that we are of a very "high vibration" and are super loving person. We are who we are.
Our space friends do not judge us. They simply direct each of us to the appropriate place, and they do so in a most loving way. A person of a lower vibration is not allowed to proceed to a higher vibrational destination. However, a person of a higher vibration may choose to remain in a lower level, in case they wish to remain with another individual, for instance. I did not see this happening, but we were told ahead of time that this would be allowed.

Those wishing to continue their growth, in what is still referred to as the "3rd dimension," are going to a planet occupied by people of similar beliefs. Regardless of each persons' vibration, we take with us the same knowledge, wisdom, love, lack of love, and attitudes that we had before our departure. These will be neither enhanced nor avoided, due to the move itself. If there is joy in seeing the Sun rise or set, this will not change. If there is hate and prejudice towards others or self, this too will not change, unless we decide to change these attitudes ourselves. If there is a need for material pleasures, this will also be reflected on the new planet.

There is a destination planet for those who are at the 4th dimensional level. These, too, will be given the opportunity to develop in a place where they are free from the vibrations of those in the 3rd and 5th dimensions.

There are also new homes for those who have elevated themselves to the 5th dimensional level and higher. Primarily these consist of those who have very deliberately raised their vibrations as the Earth has raised hers. Included here are those who have agreed to be the seed for those light-bodied humans who will some day return to live in perfect harmony with the planet Earth.

There are inconveniences for most, as you might expect under the circumstances, particularly those who have chosen the 3rd and 4th dimensional growth patterns. Those above the 4th are not so much into many of the physical realities of the Earth, so they adjust easier to their new home. Many of the Earth changes have helped prepare us for the kinds of experiences presented to us. Most seem to adjust very quickly to their new home. There is already some housing waiting for us, as well as other structures. All those who are positive and forward thinking quickly set aside their homesickness as soon as they realize the love and friendliness of their new home.
The Third Dimension

In visiting those on the 3rd dimensional planet, I notice how well adjusted and happy the people seem. My perception is that these people are still into their old paradigms, which is all right for them.
Despite having made their choice for this move, most were still skeptical about being able to maintain their old belief systems, including religion. However, I see many churches and places of worship already in use. So, it is secure and reassuring to them that those freedoms are to continue. Aside from the separation and loss of possessions, most appear to be seeing this as a very rewarding experience. It is bringing people together moreso than they could have imagined. All is not roses however, since overall attitudes have not changed, but many good things are already happening.

There are no obvious differences between this new home and the Earth. The atmospheric conditions are slightly different but everyone has adjusted to them. The air is lighter, much like that at higher elevations on Earth. Most people are still living in large, wooden community-type buildings, with winding stair cases - very Victorian and quite beautiful. These were already in place when they arrived.
By choice, many others have begun moving out into the countryside to establish their own homes. It requires much hard work, but this too, is one of the 3rd dimensional beliefs.

As I move about on the new 3rd dimensional planet, I see green trees, flowers, green grass, birds and hills. It is warm and sunny and the days are about as long as on Earth. As more and more of the "Earth systems" have been implemented, it has become even more like home. Since we left all possessions behind, everyone starts out with the same level of wealth and power. However, it doesn't take long for some to exert themselves in leadership and dominating roles. There are plenty of local, national and inter- national leaders and "government" heads from Earth who have chosen this path as well. So, many of these assume their natural roles which seems to please most people. But there is an excellent opportunity to make everyone equal.

The Fourth Dimension

The planet which those already in the 4th dimension are destined for, is also similar to Earth, but there are some differences, namely in attitudes and technology. For instance, I am traveling around the city in a vehicle that is powered by solar energy. It is not a very stylish conveyance, but is comfortable and has large windows all around. As I listen to one of the radio stations, I am pleasantly surprised to hear upbeat music and a very positive sounding DJ.
The songs are pleasant, uplifting and positive in nature. They are happy sounding. Obviously these people have learned the importance of sound, particularly through happy and upbeat music. I have not heard a single sad song, or songs about a lost love.

Except for the hum of a few "car" engines, the city is quiet. As far as I can tell, the single source of power is from the Sun. The people appear to be happy overall. but serious as well. They are at this vibrational level by choice, yet I hear one person questioning his decision to come here, as he thinks of the old days. He is a young former stockbroker who is trying to find his way in his new home.
Perhaps he is a little lonely. I am sure he will soon quit relating to the materialistic ways of old and move into a more deliberate path of light.

The people have become very adept at recognizing a new vibration among them. Without exception, each person comments on my vibration as we meet. Most ask if I am new here. I observe healings by light while touring a "doctors" office. Part of the exam consists of looking into a hand held optical device which produces light patterns.
This in turn is correlated to the person's current level of development, with options given for future growth. Although unique to each, the evaluations seem to produce similar results for those of similar vibrations, at least for those I saw. A very caring doctor is also doing some individual light healing with a small light projecting device.
There is a sincere interest on the part of this doctor to assist everyone who has asked for his help. The doctor becomes aware of my presence and is somewhat surprised by my visit.

I am told there are other life forms of similar vibration who are also using this as a "staging or phase-in" planet. As with we humans, they will remain here for as long as they choose, perhaps an entire lifetime, or until they raise their vibrational level to the 5th dimension.
I have not seen any of the non-humans. I am told they will remain in the background until we new arrivals have adjusted moreso to our surroundings. As I understand it, this planet is a temporary home for those who choose to continue their growth beyond the 4th dimension.
There are no time limits here. I am told that there are an infinite number of degrees within each dimension, which allows for either slow, quick, or unlimited growth, depending on the individuals' needs.
This is in contrast to the former Earth paradigm, where many levels of vibration were co-existing together, which made it more difficult for those existing on the upper and lowers ends.

The Fifth Dimension and Beyond

There are people on Earth who are prepared to move into the 5th dimensional level or higher. My journeys included some of these planets. but I will not detail these at this time. I will say that as our vibratory rates rise to higher levels, that our physical bodies will begin to change in very subtle ways, becoming more and more rarefied. The type and quantity of food we require will also change.
These physiological changes begin as we move into the 4th dimension and become even more pronounced as we approach the 5th. It is while in the 5th dimension that the transmutation from a more dense physical body to a lighter body occurs. It is not an instant process, though. It is the light body that will return to live in peace and harmony within the new 5th dimensional Earth. I do not know how long the transmutation process will require, but it is not long in time- space terms, perhaps 50-150 years. As of this writing, the process has already begun. But it will begin in earnest when many of the 11-12 year olds' born in 1992 (and earlier) have children of their own.
Their children will inaugurate the inception of light-bodied humanity.
Each succeeding generation of offspring will be less dense and of a higher vibration.

Return Visits To Earth

I have returned to Earth on several occasions, and each visit has shown marked change from the first. One visit is soon after the Great Harvest of Souls. Everything is abandoned. It is like a ghost town as depicted in the old wild west movies. I walk into several homes and they are just as they were left. Some still have food on the table. Many refrigerators are filled with food. It is all spoiled, as there is no electrical power. The impression is that everyone was prepared to leave when the time came, and there was no fanfare or attempts to exert unnecessary efforts towards things that were not to be taken.

On another visit, the final cleansing process has begun. From close proximity to the Earth, I can see the destruction of all man-made structures. Most of the large and tall buildings have already been leveled by myriad prior Earth changes. Now I am able to see great slabs of concrete roadways and bridges being churned up by invisible forces. Intense heat and other types of energies are being applied, literally dissolving and breaking them down into a more natural state. These then are to become a part of the surrounding nature.
Our space friends are assisting with the cleansing efforts. As I move across the countryside, I see craft hovering over the different structures. They are applying energy beams that disintegrate the objects. I am told that nothing is lost. These disintegrated objects are converted to another form of energy that can either be utilized within the Earth's atmosphere, or that dissipate into space beyond Earth. Chemicals harmful to the Earth and radioactive materials are being neutralized and rendered harmless. It is easy to understand why it was necessary for us to leave while the cleansing takes place.

The light-bodied humans that return to Earth will have no need for the human-made physical structures. They will travel by thought and will not have any need for a physical transportation system.
Their energy field will be self-regulated, so there will be no need for shelter. The efforts of the Earth and our space friends' energies are directed in the most loving way to return the Earth to a place of natural beauty. It is to be a beauty that will support the vibration of a 5th dimension planet, a planet of clean, fresh air and clean waterways. It is to be a planet with brilliant snow white poles and verdant forests.

My final visit finds a Mother Earth that is of breathtaking beauty.
As I approach her, I can see a clear, well defined, uninterrupted auric field. Beneath her aura is an atmosphere of rich clean air.
Missing are the gases and pollutants of the 3rd dimensional human era. The countryside is now covered with lush green trees, beautiful bushes and ground covers, and multicolored wild flowers of every variety. The waters are flowing in a rhythmic fashion and are clean, sparkling and spring-like clear. The musical chords of ecstatic vibrations are everywhere reflecting the total planetary harmony.
There are echoes of love - seen - heard - felt - as the Earth, the Mother of all Her planetary life, and the totality of Her life systems are all at-one-ment. It is a physical beauty that was only dreamed of before the advent of the Great Harvest. Mother Earth is more loving, fresh looking, radiant and magnificent. She is ready to welcome home those humans who have been preparing themselves for this time. A great homecoming celebration is being prepared as Mother has much love she wishes to share.

"When" and Other Information

An obvious question is "When is the Great Harvest of Souls to occur?"
I do not know. This has not been shared with me, although I believe we will be told in advance. In one sense it has already begun, just as the Earth changes have begun. One reason we are not being told is because there is not a definite schedule. The entire process is directly related to the energies and collective consciousness of humankind and the Earth. The Great Harvest of Souls WILL occur, but the exact date is not known. There is a probable time, but Earth is a free-will zone and we have many choices to make along our spiritual paths that will have an affect. I was told it will most likely occur in my childrens'
lifetime. In 1992 when I was told this, their ages were 24 and 23, respectively. I do know that the date will not be a surprise to us, as we will be kept informed.

Another concern will be that of pets, or animals in general. I do not recall seeing a single animal during my future travels. Perhaps I saw them and do not remember, since I was really focused on the human factors. However, this much I have been told: most animals will not remain on the 5th dimensional Earth, but they will be going with humankind. All present, Earth life-forms, in particular the animal kingdom, are compliments to and energy balancers for, humanity. This is one reason for their creation. The animals are at a different spiritual level than are humans, and will maintain that relative relationship as components of universal balance. Therefore, humankind will continue to share their life experiences with those of animals.

Others may be concerned about those who are bedridden, under medical care, in wheel chairs, blind, in prison or whatever condition and situation that may be imagined. The Great Harvest of Souls is for all souls, not just those who are physically and mentally "competent."
Between now and this miraculous event, humankind will be going through tremendous and rapid growth. Many major illnesses and ailments may be cured, as our own physiology reflects the Earths'
vibrational changes. We will begin to realize how we can control the physical with the mental, and how to manifest our thoughts quickly.
Many of us will cure our own ailments, but for those who do not, for whatever reasons, rest assured that all those on the Earth will be taken to their new home. Neither the Sun God nor our space friends who will be assisting, will judge us in any regard, whether it be spiritually, physically or mentally. They offer us only the pure love that they now experience.

[rosie]

Hy Kyle, thanks for asking!

I have been "awake" for most of my life. And YES! I am staying where my family and friends are. I know in my HEART that whatever is in our future,
that I will be there for them, and they will know in their hearts that it is going to be OK, because I have chosen to open that door to the new paradigm without fear, only love, compassion, & empathy towards what ever we shall encounter.


I have always been a book hound, have always loved playing in the earth,
and don't get me started on our wonderful animals.
Because of these interests, I have been compiling info from A - Z regarding natural medicines, herbs, water gardens (fish), edible plants in southern ontario, candle making, etc. I am collecting seeds of all kinds.

Now is not the time to be materialistic, now is the time to be aware.

If we end up having to barter, I hope I could barter some of the above, while at the same time contribute to my community.

But that is just my thoughts of one probability, but as I do not fear death,
I have opened my heart to many probabilities, full of new experiences,
full of LIFE.

love & light

[MartyMcFailure]

Thanks to those who reccomended drunvalo! really interesting material, like a spiritual richard hoagland. i like this post a lot in new jersey /new york i was suprised there was so few of us. if u look at a maop its like we are spider webbed no one lives very close so i think perhaps we r where we should be and our vibes r gonna create a net and as consciousness increases as changes increase the hundredth monkey syndrome will be now in process

It reminds me of the guy that built his shelter, stocked it with goods need to survive, made sure all was in order to insure survival, but when an emergency arose and he went down the stairs, he scraped his arm on a rusty nail and shortly there after died of tetanus.

Not having the ways and means to move to a safe area can be frustrating at times, but I am at peace that I am in the best place I can be at this point in time. I plan to do what is within my realm to complete my life contract and hope future incarnations are in the past once this contract with earth is complete.

Before we came here, we all knew the what, when, and where, our death would occur. This knowledge will be released in our blood stream about two days before it occurs, and for now, I have no indication of imminent death.

The best way to know if your contract is complete? If you are reading this, it is not complete.

Take care, Be well,

Marc

[Ross]

....If I may offer something the Ra entity quoted in the Law of One Book 1 refering to telepathic or channelled messages sent from negatively orientated ET's:
'They send out messages. Some are received by those who are oriented towards service to others. These messages are then altered to be more
acceptable to those entities while warning of difficulties ahead. This is the most that self-serving entities can do when faced with those whose wish is to serve others.'

And in answer to a further question:

'It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is orientated towards service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom'

Remind you of any Project Camelot witness testimonies? This is the filter through which I now evaluate any 'contactee' information.

Incidently, I'm going nowhere either; even if my town flooded last year. There's good people around me here.

[Samarkis]

Hello to all~~~~

Just wanted to say also that I am not planning on going anywhere.
I feel positive about the new changes that are coming and feel it important
to stay focused on positive as this is what we want attracted to us!!!

I am looking forward to the Earth changes as I feel it in my being that we will not be part of Mother Earth when she cleanses herself. We will be with our family of light. I do not plan on hiding under rocks!

I feel assured that the ET's have disarmed ALL nuclear weapons of large scale
and am not worried of Nuclear War. It is up to us to stand on important
issues that have to do with us as a people, as Humanity.

Money is only a convenient way to distribute goods. We should look towards distributing this more evenly!!!Meanwhile, we can ALL intend on abundance.

Blessings to all in their quest for the new Paradigm!!!