Knowing and freedom - Page 4

NorthernSanctuary · 08-09-2009, 12:36 PM

Brook:..however I had a huge problem with taking the energy you possess to a centralized spot to isolate from the world.
...They are nothing different then you or I..they are humans, seeking TRUTH and KNOWING.

The issue of RZ communities is independent of seeking TRUTH and KNOWING. There are people that seek TRUTH and KNOWING within and outside the communities.

The effort to create RZs is motivated by the desire to realize a vision of a better society in the world. While the energy to do that is substantial, it is probably much less than the total expended in the present chaotic turmoil that you see in the existing society. Everything goes in cycles, and it is important to recognize the end of a cycle and the starting of another one. By this is meant that there comes a time when the proper response is to focus on creating something new "from scratch" as opposed to patching the old. It may be sad to recognize the existing society/civilization is coming to an end, but that is the truth. The challenge to create a new one in a better image is substantial, but it needs to be done, just as it was done more than 200 years ago in North America, when pioneers create new communities which eventually became the USA.

It is because of the substantial energy and challenge to build a new society that people of like mind must come together to take this effort that is the basis for the creation of RZs. These are the nucleus of what will hopefully be the new centers, or what you may call cities for lack of a better term, for the new world society, one based on TRUTH and KNOWING of the self as a spiritual being. A society integrating science and spirituality.

This in no way takes away anything from anyone that feels that their purpose is to remain in the existing cities to help out. Neither perspective excludes the value of the other. There is plenty of work to go around for all.

orthodoxymoron · 08-09-2009, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mudra

On The Eventual Awakening Of One That Is Not Yet Awake

Every two or three weeks, i awake in the  middle of the night—4:10 a.m.—looking out  our weak view windows, thinking of everything  i have yet to give you. and there’s so much that i am uninterested in passing on. but of  these i am clear: hope, finding the beautiful in an ordinary rain puddle, the restorative powers of song and guitar, believing in  what you can create: as Miller said, finding & following your own criterion of truth. Knowing both seagulls and pigeons to be playful and fun. Slowing down more often than your familial genus may  predetermine. getting away, getting off the grid, getting high atop a mountain others are too busy to climb. Be enamored with your thoughts — with your own genius in the family of history. and there is plenty to mention that we should not mention  but of these i am clear: commit. Promise to yourself only those   moments that actually  matter for these are made of Love.

Loving kindness
mudra

I really liked what you wrote here. I'd like to see us get rid of 90% of the technology and industrialization...get back to nature...and s-l-o-w d-o-w-n. I like Earth and humanity...but I don't like what I see when I read the paper. We seem to be destroying ourselves in a very sophisticated manner. Living in a small house in a natural setting...with no car...and having a computer with fast internet...seems ideal to me. I haven't gotten rid of the car...but I'm getting very close.

BROOK · 08-09-2009, 09:26 PM

Raising Social Consciousness

Let's take this beautiful animal

For much longer then should have ever been allowed..this creature was hunted for nothing other then it's ivory tusks..the bodies of the animals left to be ravaged by nearby predators ...not for food, not for anything other then the greed of the ivory trader.

Social consciousness was raised by the worldwide community to bring to light to the moralistic injustice of such a thing....lowering the population of such an animal.

Raising that social consciousness was not driven by greed, or ego...it was the right thing to do. It was driven by KNOWING...and in bringing to light such injustice...raised the social consciousness of the atrocity.

This is the avenue that needs to be driven..Raising Social Consciousness.

Removing the ego from the equation was what made it right.
And with that Freedom for the animal..comes the responsibility to monitor the situation...as it still goes on today..however much less..but it does exist.

So the moral of the story:

Raising Social consciousness by KNOWING it is wrong...by removing the EGO...brings FREEDOM..and RESPONSIBILITY
See how it goes hand in hand?

orthodoxymoron · 08-09-2009, 04:34 AM

The posts on this thread are fantastic!

WAR = DESTRUCTIVE COMPETITION.

Greed, Fear, Annoyance, etc...reaches a stage where Constructive Competition morphs into Destructive Competition...and the killing commences.

The morphology of this transitional stage would be a most interesting study.

08-09-2009, 12:36 PM	#1
NorthernSanctuary Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 698	Re: Knowing and freedom Brook:..however I had a huge problem with taking the energy you possess to a centralized spot to isolate from the world. ...They are nothing different then you or I..they are humans, seeking TRUTH and KNOWING. The issue of RZ communities is independent of seeking TRUTH and KNOWING. There are people that seek TRUTH and KNOWING within and outside the communities. The effort to create RZs is motivated by the desire to realize a vision of a better society in the world. While the energy to do that is substantial, it is probably much less than the total expended in the present chaotic turmoil that you see in the existing society. Everything goes in cycles, and it is important to recognize the end of a cycle and the starting of another one. By this is meant that there comes a time when the proper response is to focus on creating something new "from scratch" as opposed to patching the old. It may be sad to recognize the existing society/civilization is coming to an end, but that is the truth. The challenge to create a new one in a better image is substantial, but it needs to be done, just as it was done more than 200 years ago in North America, when pioneers create new communities which eventually became the USA. It is because of the substantial energy and challenge to build a new society that people of like mind must come together to take this effort that is the basis for the creation of RZs. These are the nucleus of what will hopefully be the new centers, or what you may call cities for lack of a better term, for the new world society, one based on TRUTH and KNOWING of the self as a spiritual being. A society integrating science and spirituality. This in no way takes away anything from anyone that feels that their purpose is to remain in the existing cities to help out. Neither perspective excludes the value of the other. There is plenty of work to go around for all.

08-09-2009, 09:26 PM	#3
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Knowing and freedom Raising Social Consciousness Let's take this beautiful animal For much longer then should have ever been allowed..this creature was hunted for nothing other then it's ivory tusks..the bodies of the animals left to be ravaged by nearby predators ...not for food, not for anything other then the greed of the ivory trader. Social consciousness was raised by the worldwide community to bring to light to the moralistic injustice of such a thing....lowering the population of such an animal. Raising that social consciousness was not driven by greed, or ego...it was the right thing to do. It was driven by KNOWING...and in bringing to light such injustice...raised the social consciousness of the atrocity. This is the avenue that needs to be driven..Raising Social Consciousness. Removing the ego from the equation was what made it right. And with that Freedom for the animal..comes the responsibility to monitor the situation...as it still goes on today..however much less..but it does exist. So the moral of the story: Raising Social consciousness by KNOWING it is wrong...by removing the EGO...brings FREEDOM..and RESPONSIBILITY See how it goes hand in hand? Last edited by BROOK; 03-24-2010 at 01:30 PM.

08-09-2009, 04:34 AM	#4
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Knowing and freedom The posts on this thread are fantastic! WAR = DESTRUCTIVE COMPETITION. Greed, Fear, Annoyance, etc...reaches a stage where Constructive Competition morphs into Destructive Competition...and the killing commences. The morphology of this transitional stage would be a most interesting study. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 08-09-2009 at 04:36 AM.