Fear Mongering. Get off it.

[greybeard]

Hi Kathleen
Thanks for sharing. Yes we have wake up moments that change everything.
Thing you would enjoy Dr Hawkins "Power vs Force" In one of his books he states that Jesus was unique in that He did not have a previous life time. He came here specifically to be our Saviour.

One of the reasons i started this thread is because people get distracted by theories on Harp etc.
I wrote in another thread that earthquaqes etc were going on long before humans were on the planet. They are part of a natural cycle and it seems to be a fact that they are requalted by what is happening on the Sun.

One of my favorite statements of all time was made by Beren on this forum.
LOVE LOVE AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

Fear and love cannot co-exist.
Thats it, no more to be said really.

Chris

[Kulapops]

Nice thread Chris... I agree...

But is it 'Get off it', or 'Get off of it?'

To avoid any confusion, I say...

Get Over it !



K

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i agree with the fear aspect of information being constantly drummed into people. i feel like somehow ive gone through some dark night of the soul, like a masonic initiation ritual of some type. or like luke on degobah in star wars.

it involves moving away from the reaction phase to the creation phase i think. as someone noted here about the rubber hammer and the knee, i no longer have that instant reflex. using another star wars analogy- obi-wan fights darth vader and then turms off his light sabre.

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

i no longer have that instant reflex. using another star wars analogy- obi-wan fights darth vader and then turms off his light sabre.

Exactly Pineal !

I quite agree with you.

- Or maybe his batteries ran out ?? Bad timing...

Either way, my view is we'll never really know, the universe is far too eloquent for us to understand.

But like those punching knock over skittle (ten-pin) -things. Perhaps the less effort we expend in knocking things about, the less there is to do...

[wynderer]

what's coming into my mind reading some of the above posts is something Pericles said: 'You may not take an interest in politics, but politics may take an interest in you'

also, the Ghost Dances did not stop the bullets

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by wynderer

'You may not take an interest in politics, but politics may take an interest in you'

Good point Wynderer. Then maybe that's what destiny is? When a politician falls on you.

Still, I'm reasoning, up to that point, we should only get involved with what crosses our path. can we deal with that at least? Surely there is no time to get involved with everything in the world that doesn't cross our path?

I think this is a problem of the information age.

The ghost dancers may have had a problem with bullets, but did they have a problem worrying about earthquakes in Chile, and the fate of the Panda?

These days, we get to worry about anything we can read about. If we are the worrying kind...

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Kulapops

Good point Wynderer. Then maybe that's what destiny is? When a politician falls on you.

Still, I'm reasoning, up to that point, we should only get involved with what crosses our path. can we deal with that at least? Surely there is no time to get involved with everything in the world that doesn't cross our path?

I think this is a problem of the information age.

The ghost dancers may have had a problem with bullets, but did they have a problem worrying about earthquakes in Chile, and the fate of the Panda?

These days, we get to worry about anything we can read about. If we are the worrying kind...

Yes my friend so many distractions.
A story well known.
A minister was preparing the Sunday sermon, son was looking for attention "Daddy Daddy come play with me!" The Reverand found a map of the world in a handy magazine and tore it in to pieces saying "Son when you have put the map together I will play with you heres the sellotape" Very soon the boy was back with the map reassembled. Dad was amazed. "How did you do that so quickly son?"
"Easy Dad, there was a picture of a man on the back and when I got the man right the world came right"

In simplicity if we sort ourselves our world come right.

Thanks to all who contribute to this thread, there have some great posts.
Ch

[lisa]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Did you get a lot from the book?

Sigh... still trying to sell books, Greybeard?
Most people on this forum are fearless.
There are some intentional fear mongering from the dark forces though.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by lisa

Sigh... still trying to sell books, Greybeard?
Most people on this forum are fearless.
There are some intentional fear mongering from the dark forces though.

Just sharing, just sharing Honey.
I found DH helpful. Eckhart Tolle The Course in Miracles. The Bhagavad Gita. I am That.
Ramana, Ramesh Balsekar. Wayne Dyer. The list is endless.
All these books and writers have sold in the millions. They dont need me to sell one.

Im happy for you to quote who ever you like.
I just put the authors name down as a mark of respect and the quotes are relevant to the topic of the thread.
No head above mine.

With respect to you. Lisa.

[Swanny]

My only fear is that things will carry on as what is called normal

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Swanny

My only fear is that things will carry on as what is called normal

Yeah
I get bored too with Satus Quo.
Its all about evolution.
Im up for change.
Thanks for appearing here Swanny.
Chris

[Swanny]

It's a pleasure I like what you say

[orthodoxymoron]

Go Rocky Shorz! You are an inspiration!

At what point does facing reality become fear mongering? At what point does positive thinking become delusional and irresponsible? I like the concept of Positive Response Ability...wherein one faces reality with positive and negative thinking...and formulates positive responses and solutions.

Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom

[wynderer]

At what point does facing reality become fear mongering?'

thanks for this opening to what i've been thinking about writing/saying here, Orthodoxymoron

this theme of 'fearmongering' has surfaced on every forum i've spent time on -- i've come to the conclusion that those who suggest others are fearmongering are coming from a place of fear themselves -- because basically they are saying there are topics being discussed/presented for discussion that make them fearful -- otherwise they would not be trying to push these topics out of their own consciousness/'reality'

to me this seems rather self-centered -- 'I've got my own nice little light & love bubble going on here, & i don't want to hear about things that might threaten it'

it's a form of magical thinking -- usually a passionate conviction that 'we create our own reality' goes along w/this -- a conviction that 'I am God, totally in control of my own life' [this is how the reptilians see things --they are very into control -- & they do not honor the Creator--they honor themselves]

in Carl Jung's book on UFOs, he said that whether or not they were real, psychologically their appearance in such numbers [i believe he died in the '60s, long before the many worldwide sightings of the present time] represented humankind's inner preparation for 'a mass exodus of souls' in the near future

i don't think it's a coincidence that as the reality of the mass deaths [barring Divine Intervention] approaches [remembering that in many places all over the world, the mass deaths are already happening], this form of 'spirituality' [humans as God, each creating his/her personal light & love bubble] has increased dramatically, mostly in countries where, up till now, most of the people have lived in well-padded comfort --

a truly fearless human, a human truly grounded in Love, will have no problem in looking steadfastly at the whole ugly picture --sometimes it seems that some people are afraid that if they look at something ugly [Dulce; all the children being sold to sadistic perverts; our oceans dying; chemtrails; HAARP; DU; war upon war upon war; etc, etc, etc] , that something's going to jump out & get them

a truly fearless & loving human would also know that until we are all free , none of us is free -- i generally find such humans among political peace & justice activists, who know that it is NOT 'all good' for most who live on this planet -- they are also the most fear-free humans i have met

a quote on 'creating your own reality': 'Who among you by taking thought can add one cubit to his stature [height] ?' --Jesus

a quote on excluding 'negative' things from your own 'spirituality' [personal comfort]: 'Not knowing acts like guilt'-- Carl Jung

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Go Rocky Shorz! You are an inspiration!

At what point does facing reality become fear mongering? At what point does positive thinking become delusional and irresponsible? I like the concept of Positive Response Ability...wherein one faces reality with positive and negative thinking...and formulates positive responses and solutions.

Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom

We have wandered of from the point of the thread which was really originally about doom and gloom posting which was based on very little or no evidence. Personal survival when face to face with the snake or whatever is a different ball game. However I think that its great that the tread has a life of its own and will go where ever it wills.
Lots of great posts.
Thanks Chris

[Rocky_Shorz]

well if you prefer I can quietly disappear from the discussion so it can go back to the evil Illuminati's plans to wipe out 98% of the world population, death Stars, aliens wanting to wipe out the planet, the complete destruction of the world financial system turning us all into paupers as the Military state takes over and tosses us into holding cells to turn us all into lizards... ;-)

My way of dealing with fear is by filling those around me with hope... but maybe this will help you all get back on topic again...

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

well if you prefer I can quietly disappear from the discussion so it can go back to the evil Illuminati's plans to wipe out 98% of the world population, death Stars, aliens wanting to wipe out the planet, the complete destruction of the world financial system turning us all into paupers as the Military state takes over and tosses us into holding cells to turn us all into lizards... ;-)

My way of dealing with fear is by filling those around me with hope... but maybe this will help you all get back on topic again...

Well Rocky im with you.
The purpose of the thread is to get off selling fear.
It just wanders off as is human.
Chris
Nammaste

[greybeard]

Its all about balance I think.
As mature people yes there are certain things that can affect us that we need to know.
Nothing is good or bad till thinking makes it so.
News, of it self, is just news but dwelling on it and keeping rumor going with out a shred of proof is of the ego. Ie Im the one that know listen to me. if its true and there is real evidence to support what you are saying then thats entirely different in my opinion. Thats a service to humanity.

Speaking of which, the link is to Dr David Hawkins publishers web site,
He had the largest psychiatric practice in the USA at one time.
His book "Power vs Force" is amazing.

http://www.veritaspub.com/

Have a look at the "about" on the web pages.
He has done a lot for humanity.

Chris

[greybeard]

The book Power vs Force points out that the human mind is like the hard drive on a computer, it designed to be programed and then the problem arises that the human mind cant tell truth from false hood. Thats a big statement but fully explained and backed up by Dr Hawkins in the book and he should know.
Germany went to war because the population believed the propaganda put out by Goebbels.
He was the ultimate in fear mongering, he played on the basest of human thought.
He admitted if you told a lie often enough with conviction people would believe it.
So a fear ridden society is much easier to control.
So fear mongering has a very "bad" effect on the human mind.
Mongering means to sell. Selling fear cant be good.
There are accepted norms of what is helpful and supportive to life and that which is not.
Im just suggesting that we support true reporting and just dont follow or promote fallacious fearful stories.
Lots of positive good news here.
Chris

[Stardustaquarion]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Go Rocky Shorz! You are an inspiration!

At what point does facing reality become fear mongering? At what point does positive thinking become delusional and irresponsible? I like the concept of Positive Response Ability...wherein one faces reality with positive and negative thinking...and formulates positive responses and solutions.

Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom

Reality is factual, even if harrowing. Once emotions get mixed with it, like insecurity, panic, anxiety it stops being facts and becomes fearmongering

Positive thinking becomes delusional when it ignores the facts of the reality we are living in. It is part of cognitive disonance. Example: People are dieing of hunger, I don't want to know = we are all fine...we aren't really. Many of us can not do anything about that but we have to accept is part of Earth reality

Positive response may not be the answer always because it can be sometimes like brushing the things under the carpet. The best response comes from engaged detachment. It implies that we are aware of the facts of our reality and we have come to terms with the worse case scenario which brings inner peace by accepting what we can do and what it is beyond our possibilities to handle. It takes a lot of courage and deep breathing to do this

What is the problem here, there is a miss conception of what free speach means, that is all

It would be useful to have a clear definition of what Bill Ryan, the owner of avalon understands as "free speach" and which kind of posts are permited. Those are the facts, then individualy we can chose whether this place suits us or not

The Owner of this place has the right to arbitrarily, if he so choses, to change the rules too, there is no contractual agreements with the members other that to obey the regulations that the country this forum is has

"Rights" are a very slipery slope that most people do not understand. We believe we have rights but actualy we don't have any rights other than those given to us by common law if we can make them hold

Now as setient beings we could chose to be free of fear and to ponder our responses rather than knee jerk into saying something that we may regret later. That makes us conscious creators. We do not react, we act. That is fearlessness

Love

[greybeard]

Im in total agreement with you Star.
Its not more free speech we need its freedom from speech as in speeching.
Freedom of speech brings responsibilities.
Politically correct has a lot to answer for, but thats another complex subject.
One mans ceiling another mans floor.
Its a question of the level one is at, ones own personal reality.
Anger for example is more positive than apathy.
ans so on up till there is an acceptance that what is, is.
That is not helpful to some one in apathy.
In psychiatry there is such a scale.
When a person is apathetic, they are not suicidal, they dont care enough to be suicidal.
When they move beyond apathy they, the patient, are watched closely, because they may go suicidal, till they get to anger, and then helped beyond that.

Different strokes for different folks.

the prayer that AA uses is.
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I can.
Wisdom to know the difference.

With respect for all points of view, as they reflect where the person is at this moment and is therefore valid, at least to them.
Chris

[Céline]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Im in total agreement with you Star.
Its not more free speech we need its freedom from speech as in speeching.
Freedom of speech brings responsibilities.
Politically correct has a lot to answer for, but thats another complex subject.
One mans ceiling another mans floor.
Its a question of the level one is at, ones own personal reality.
Anger for example is more positive than apathy.
ans so on up till there is an acceptance that what is, is.
That is not helpful to some one in apathy.
In psychiatry there is such a scale.
When a person is apathetic, they are not suicidal, they dont care enough to be suicidal.
When they move beyond apathy they, the patient, are watched closely, because they may go suicidal, till they get to anger, and then helped beyond that.

Different strokes for different folks.

the prayer that AA uses is.
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I can.
Wisdom to know the difference.

With respect for all points of view, as they reflect where the person is at this moment and is therefore valid, at least to them.
Chris

Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.

Mahatma Gandhi


and perhaps be forgiven for them

[Stardustaquarion]

Celine

We all make mistakes, the harderst thing is to forgive ourselves

The greatest gift one can give to oneself is to love oneself as one is now, no quible, no judgement, no expectations

The expectations we have about ourselves are mostly given to us by our parents and society and there is a time to chose what we keep and what we leave behind

That does not mean that one does not endeavor to align with the laws of the universe only that there is no point on looking back with regret

Love

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Céline

Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.

Mahatma Gandhi


and perhaps be forgiven for them

Agree Celine but Id rather learn from others mistakes. I dont have to make all of them myself.

I forgive me, if I cant forgive my actions I cant really forgive others.
Its very easy to be critcal of ones own,my actions in retrospect but if I had been aware of the consequences I would have acted differently. I did the best I could at the time.
Im sure we all do.

With Love
Chris

[wynderer]

Hi Greybeard -- would you consider this music video to be fearmongering?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog

Peace & Freedom, wynderer