Knowing and freedom

[orthodoxymoron]

Brook: The first post was a great one!

One can live in the city...or close to the city...and still focus on nature. We need to bring more nature and love into the cities...and we can't do this if we are hiding in safe places. If things really go downhill...there may be no place to hide anyway. I have no plans to run away. I'll go down with the ship.

The Sigmund Freud quote was priceless:

"Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

I keep repeating the 'Responsible Freedom' mantra...over and over again. Constitutional Responsible Freedom will break the back of the New World Order.

Pride and arrogance are bad things. Recognizing the divinity in all of us is a good thing. I try to see Christ in all persons.

Namaste

[rhythm]

Please can i just say that im not sure that its
a case of running to safe places (maby for some. and thats ok too)
for me MOST certainly not the case...
im already in the safest place my heart ...
and for me a community life woul be one of sharing love respecting the earth,
and friendship ... also to show that we can be out of the system ... if thats what you want ... but if thats not what you want fine ... but can we please put a line under ... making it a wrong .. its realy getting so boring
live and let live my dear friends ... would you rather be right or happy ..
our opinons are fine and we are as the old saying goes intiteld to them ..
but do we then need to insist that we are right and the other is wrong
dear friends we know by now how wars start ,,, right -wrong ....
love and blessings in service to the one rhythmmm ...
let love .................................................. ......................................

[mudra]

Originally Posted by rhythm

live and let live my dear friends ....

Love
mudra

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by rhythm

Please can i just say that im not sure that its
a case of running to safe places (maby for some. and thats ok too)
for me MOST certainly not the case...
im already in the safest place my heart ...
and for me a community life woul be one of sharing love respecting the earth,
and friendship ... also to show that we can be out of the system ... if thats what you want ... but if thats not what you want fine ... but can we please put a line under ... making it a wrong .. its realy getting so boring
live and let live my dear friends ... would you rather be right or happy ..
our opinons are fine and we are as the old saying goes intiteld to them ..
but do we then need to insist that we are right and the other is wrong
dear friends we know by now how wars start ,,, right -wrong ....
love and blessings in service to the one rhythmmm ...
let love .................................................. ......................................

Does your comment not imply that my comment was wrong? I merely expressed my plans and feelings. Are you implying that you are right and I am wrong? If so...I'm ok with that. I am making no stipulations that we should refrain from considering various opinions and views as being right or wrong.

[BROOK]

It's all about KNOWING and FREEDOM...the title of the thread

So lets explore FREEDOM

Freedom and Responsibility

Freedom, from an existential perspective, cannot be separated from responsibility. With freedom comes responsibility. Yet, it is common for many people to seek freedom while trying to avoid responsibility. While, at times, it appears that people may be able to succeed at this, there remains a psychological consequence. This consequence is often not very noticeable, but may find expression through guilt, anxiety, depression, or even anger.

Existential freedom is not the same things as freedom in the political sense we often think of it in America. In fact, political freedom could be view to be a rather shallow, though not unimportant, type of freedom. A person can be existentially free despite not being politically free, and a person can avoid embracing their existential freedom despite being offered great political freedoms.


Ways of Avoiding Responsibility

There are several common examples of how people avoid responsibility in American culture. Conformity is one good example. Americans pride themselves on being autonomous individuals to the point of idealizing individualism. However, upon closer analysis, Americans find extremely creative ways of giving up their freedom. Americans conform through blind allegiance to various organizations and institutions including political parties and religious institutions. This is not to say that being dedicated to either of these are bad. In fact, often they can lead to very positive outcomes. The problem comes with blind allegiance where a person gives up their responsibility to critically think through the beliefs, perspectives, and values of the organization. When this happens, the individual's values are no longer authentic.

When a person gives their allegiance to an external belief structure, they may go in one of several directions. First, they often will become very rigid in their allegiance to the organization or structure to which they have committed. This type of conformity can be seen through various forms of fundamentalism -- religious, political, psychological systems, etc.

Second, they may present as being very committed to a belief systems or organization, but they feel very comfortable bending the rules where it does fit their desires. It becomes easy to bend the rules because they are not really committed to the underlying values system. However, when a person is deeply committed to authentic moral or value principles, they are less willing to act in ways which contradict these principles. The principles are authentic.

Another way avoid responsibility can occur through the belief that one is powerless. There can be many factors which are seen to render a person powerless. A person can perceive themselves as a victim of their environment, of various supernatural or spiritual forces, their unconscious, or a victim of their biology/genes. While an existential approach will recognize that all of these factors may influence a person, none of them render a person powerless or completely control them.

source:http://www.existential-therapy.com/S...onsibility.htm

[rhythm]

my comment is aimed at no one xxxx

[BROOK]

As choice and Freedom come to mind so do these quotes:

Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined. As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler.


I know of no more encouraging fact than the unquestioned ability of a man to elevate his life by conscious endeavor.

Henry David Thoreau

[BROOK]

Freedom and Knowing and self-cultivation


Laozi, also known Lao-tzu, is considered the founder of Taoism.


The wisdom of life, cosmology, to ontology. People are supposed to learn the wisdom of life in general, Laozi theorizes, and he brings forward philosophical ideas on politics, sociology, and interpersonal relationships. Yet the focus is not on the creation of civilization, but rather on self-cultivation. Laozi's thoughts are basically social philosophy and theories based on Dao, but he is not interested in creating a new and ideal society, because that is not the way of the Dao.

[BROOK]

Friedrich Nietzsche on Freedom and Responsibility

listen carefully ...he brings up Ego


At the end he equates Passion to existence....I equate Passion to emotion...and here is something I found:

What is the greatest way to manifest any desire? By speaking
it forth from the spirit of your being. The spirit of your being,
which is your soul, governs your body through its emotional
structure.

How will you describe the feeling of unlimited thoughts?
You cannot. The knowingness of an unlimited thought has no
word that you can associate with it because it is a new thought
being experienced, a new emotion, an immense feeling that moves
you in a profound yet quiet manner. Knowingness will come to
you as pure feeling: unannounced, unidentified, nameless emotion.

Most who seek enlightenment think that it will come in the
form of words. But if what you understand can be described by
words, you have felt it all before. If it can't, and you are simply
feeling, what you are feeling is genius; it is brilliance; it is indeed
unlimited thinking. All the things you have wanted to understand
do not have words; they have emotion and vision. And when the
knowingness comes, you will be speechless with feelings.

[BROOK]

Control and Freedom


Ajahn Brahm' talks about the control/freedom paradox. How much of our lives is *actually* controlled by us, how much by forces outside ourselves? How free are we? The relinquishment of our controlling impulse brings freedom, while the ego, with its judgement apparatus, leads to bondage and despair.


This is long but well worth it!

[BROOK]

The art of limiting thought is associating words with it. A
master explains nothing; he only knows it. To explain it means he must limit himself.
When you get to the point that you simply
know - without having to justify or explain your
knowingness - then you are indeed the master of your kingdom.

Ramtha...the White Book

[BROOK]

dear friends we know by now how wars start ,,, right -wrong ....
love and blessings in service to the one rhythmmm ...

Why do wars start:

This is grossly oversimplified, but it's basically not much different than robbery. That other country has something we want, let's take it away from them. The "something" can be land, resources, people (to convert to a different religion, for work, etc). The "something" can also be power, if the war-starting country perceives "the other guys" to be powerful, and decides to take them out before they get too powerful. Take a big dose of greed, add in a few dashes of fear, and season with a disregard for human life, and you get the recipe for war.


Know Peace and Freedom

[mudra]

John Lennon is one of these beings that understood that Love is our freedom . The story of his life is sadly a touching one .
People of his generation fought to give Love a right to express itself. I believe they opened a breach in the solid wall of separeteness.

Today time for fighting is over ..I feel we have moved a step beyond and that what we have to do.. is remember that we are Love ..that Love is our essence. Love is the unifying factor that transcends dichotomies.

Despite the strangeness of events that we are finding ourselves into on this plane Love always finds a way to step into our lives .

And finally if you look closely into it ..the moments that really count .. that have any meaning and value are those when we can share it.

Maybe that the only single reason to live.. is to Love.

Love is real...Love is freedom in it's highest level for it sees no bounderies.
When you know Love you have come home.

[BROOK]

Love is real...Love is freedom in it's highest level for it sees no bounderies.
When you know Love you have come home.

So true Mudra

Many hearts have been broken by social consciousness and ego

Heal the heart...through Knowing

Know Love

[mudra]

Originally Posted by BROOK

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Know Love

YouTube - Let Me Heal Your Heart

Love from me
mudra

[BROOK]

Knowing = Love

The truth is, all things are already yours, love will be made manifest. When you know
they are, then they are made available to you. You must understand
that the principal giver of all that you need is you and your ability
to receive love. The way to receive your desires is simply
to know what you want and know you are worthy of getting it.

Knowingness is the truth; it is the giver of all, the giver of love; it is your future

Knowing opens the door to that realization.
It activates another part of your brain so the thought can become
a manifested reality. Then when the experience of your unlimited
thinking has indeed come to pass, that solidifies in the ego part
of your brain the realization that knowing does work,
which gives you the strength to go a step further into even more
unlimited thinking. Unlimited Love....Unlimited freedom

[BROOK]

Knowing Love is not always easy

Knowing Love is not always easy, when confronted by manipulated social consciousness, and ego.
For some it is the hardest thing to find.

This is how a child grows. First he becomes aware of you, then by and by, he becomes aware of himself. This awareness is a reflected awareness. He is not aware of who he is. He is simply aware of the mother and what she thinks about him. If she smiles, if she appreciates the child, if she says, "You are beautiful," if she hugs and kisses him, the child feels good about himself. Now an ego is born. Through appreciation, love, care, he feels he is good, he feels he is valuable, he feels he has some significance. A center is born.


But this center is a reflected center. It is not his real being. He does not know who he is; he simply knows what others think about him. And this is the ego: the reflection, what others think. If nobody thinks that he is of any use, nobody appreciates him, nobody smiles, then too an ego is born: an ill ego; sad, rejected, like a wound; feeling inferior, worthless. This too is the ego. This too is a reflection.

Ego is a need; it is a social need, it is a social by-product. The society means all that is around you - not you, but all that is around you. All, minus you, is the society. And everybody reflects. You will go to school and the teacher will reflect who you are. You will be in friendship with other children and they will reflect who you are. By and by, everybody is adding to your ego, and everybody is trying to modify it in such a way that you don't become a problem to the society.

Excerpts from: http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm

[Karen]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Knowing Love is not always easy

Knowing Love is not always easy, when confronted by manipulated social consciousness, and ego. For some it is the hardest thing to find.

This is how a child grows. First he becomes aware of you, then by and by, he becomes aware of himself.[COLOR=Cyan][I][B]

Wow Brook, that purple color is so much easier to read in minty than the aqua color - would you consider changing to use purple most of the time?

[BROOK]

Which brings us back to EGO..and Ultimate Reality

More and more people the world over have noticed changes occurring at all levels, ranging from increasingly extreme weather conditions and other geophysical phenomena, to a much more subtle, individual level of conscious awareness. Irrespective of the nature, range and magnitude of these changes, most would agree that they are indeed occurring, are unprecedented in recorded human history, and herald a much more profound event or series of events on the horizon.


Mudra has a great thread on the Secret Life of Plants

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=14664




We are all blessed to be living on Earth during a great transition with the potential to take humans, all organic and mineral life and Earth Herself to the next stage along the path evolution on the great path of return to our Divine Creator from whence we came in the beginning, a transition from one great era of evolution to a new greater era of evolution for humanity, all life on Earth and Earth Herself.
The earth is evolving, and we are evolving




The social consciousness is changing as well...things always get worst before they get better.....don't let the truth of Ultimate Reality be blinded by the fears of the PTB...don't let their ego based greed get the better of your knowing...they are running very scared right now...they are rushing for the game of the millenium..to keep us from knowing the truth, and how simple it is that we create...we don"t need anything but the power of ultimate knowingness....
then will come truth, freedom and love




Blessings to all
Brook

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by BROOK

we don"t need anything but the power of ultimate knowingness....then will come truth, freedom and love

the highest eXpression of truth
is love, weaved with integrity --
those who choose to do that, are FREE !!!

[14 Chakras]

I think this thread started out great. It has veered off into the new age, all you need is love direction.

Love when it is not balanced with power and wisdom, is unenlightened human love that will not change the world. True love is unconditional and it pushes all of creation to become More. We're not to sit idly by and watch as the world becomes lovely. We're here to co-create that better world. We need to balance power and wisdom with love in order to do that.

Being = Love

Originally Posted by BROOK

Then when the experience of your unlimited
thinking has indeed come to pass, that solidifies in the ego part
of your brain the realization that knowing does work,
which gives you the strength to go a step further into even more
unlimited thinking.

Anything that is solidifying your ego, is not going to lead to unlimited anything... other than continued unlimited suffering...

It is not the egos of the power elite that are the problem of our world, as much as it is our own egos that are the problem with our own experiences.

The world outside is a reflection of the individual and collective inner state of our consciousness. As long as we believe we are the thinker, and we are solidifying our thinking, this shift the earth is going to go through will involve many birth pains indeed. We must awaken to our divine reality beyond thought, beyond the ego.

We can say love all we want, the new age movement has been doing just that for decades, and it has not born good fruit in terms of reshaping our world. Until we walk through the darkness we will never get to the light.

We must surrender our own ego illusions, surrender being the doer, surrender to the higher consciousness within. Not my will, but thine be done.

Because from an enlightened perspective, I'm well aware that the higher will is my own will. It is only my ego that thinks it needs to make decisions on it's own and attract what "I want". Only to find that when I have it, I need something else and in the mean time I'm creating all sorts of karma acting from my unenlightened perspective.

The ego is a black hole of desire because it tricks us into thinking something outside of us will fill the void inside. This seeking outside of us leads to endless cycles of birth and death and suffering. The truth is that we are not the ego. Until we are reborn into the higher consciousness that is always in the Now, as Jesus continually stressed, then we are the caterpillar, the walking dead repeating the same lifetimes and mistakes over and over...

The only possible way out of suffering, the only possible way to the kingdom of heaven, is through the surrender of the ego. The ego is the ultimate deception and deceiver. It is the devil inside. We don't overcome it by fighting it, we transmute it by observing it, and sending it love, whilst continually surrendering our own illusions and darkness. The transmutation turns our ego consciousness into the Gold of the divine Being we really are.

The ideal is to do this while we are in embodiment, this is what we came to earth to do, to express our divine individuality and raise it up. If we refuse, cycles pass us by along with cosmic opportunities. Often, we can ascend after the embodiment is over, but without the true victory of adding our own divine light to this planet in the material realm. Many are called, few choose. The true Way, the way to victory, is the way of overcoming the ego.

Knowing you are not the ego is the key, and when you know that and overcome the illusion that you are it, you will Be. You will be free.

[orthodoxymoron]

The posts on this thread are fantastic!

WAR = DESTRUCTIVE COMPETITION.

Greed, Fear, Annoyance, etc...reaches a stage where Constructive Competition morphs into Destructive Competition...and the killing commences.

The morphology of this transitional stage would be a most interesting study.

[BROOK]

My intention was to stay with Knowing and Freedom..then I got steered into the "LOVE" theme...I stopped and thought and this is what I came up with...

Through unlimited knowing or knowing all that is....through not words but feeling and emotion...you become all that is, part of the all that is.
In doing so you become unconditional love...so I ran with it..but I also pointed out that many cannot experience it due to social consciousness and EGO.....

Ego is the antichrist....it creates all darkness around....and once removed..walla...Light...knowing...all that is...unconditional love

But in agreeing..it is not where this thread was supposed to go

[14 Chakras]

Great post, yes agreed .

I just thought I'd sound a bit dramatic with my opening there...

[BROOK]

Henry David Thoreau
Lived in the wood secluded for two year and two months..
to reflect...wrote the book Walden or life in the woods.

He separated from society to reflect and wrote some of the greatest philosophy ...alone in the woods.

Away from social consciousness....The higher frequency thoughts can be more easily
experienced in the consciousness of the wilderness away from
the stagnated thinking of man, because there life is simple,
and in complete harmony with itself.
There, away from the judgment of man, you can hear your own knowingness.
Your brain is a receiver of electrical thought
frequencies, with different parts designed to receive, house, and
amplify the different frequencies of thought.
Your brain does not create thought,
It simply allows thought to enter into it from consciousness.

Each thought frequency that the altered ego allows to flow
into the brain is transferred into an electrical current and sent to
that portion of the brain that has been activated by the pituitary
to house that frequency. That portion of the brain then amplifies
the current and sends it to the pineal system.

What keeps you from knowing and becoming the totality
of God? Altered ego, because altered ego cuts God off by refusing
to accept all the thought frequencies that God is so it can live
safe and secure, out of harm's way. That is why the altered ego is
indeed what is termed the Antichrist, because it denies that you
are the son of God. It does not allow you to accept the thought
and to realize that you and the Father are one and the same, that
you are the divine and immortal principle that has the power to
create forever .
The Antichrist is the altered ego and its kingdom is social
consciousness. It is that which does not allow unlimited thought;
and its dogma is fear, judgment, and survival. The Christ is man
wholly expressing the power, the beauty, the love, and unlimited
life of the Father that lives within him. It is man realizing that he
is divine and becoming that realization, transcending dogma,
prophesy, and fear, for he knows that beyond social consciousness
lies the unlimited vigor called God.

some excerpts from Ramtha