Syphoning

[Czymra]

Kick-ass my friend. I'll wait it out and listen to Dakini's response now.

[Dakini]

Hey guys,
First, I use the words "master" and "adept" only in their classical definitions and not from another place. I reference those from about 15 years of study and reading the accounts of Mystics - maybe I should've used that word instead. And there are hundreds of descriptions to read. What they reveal and meditation type 'experts' tell us is this...that the student (or 'beginner') will not fully understand what his teacher has experienced...but the teacher will understand what the student is experiencing - And from this context only, that information is not necessarily held secret out of malice or superior power.

I don't know Sun-toon, I should start reading his threads, he is probably more advanced in his particular practices and those would be over my head :-)

But I do feel you, Czymra...your earnest thirst for knowledge and to 'be the ship.' Do you know how rare that is? And refreshing? I was only attempting, maybe not so skillfully, to point you in a direction you may not have considered. Something that to me is more in line with the Mystic's path - I say that because I see in you something that is indeed rare, and someone who could benefit greatly. And manifesting is not so in line with that particular path. Although one would learn to manifest on that path - it's just not the focus of that path.

There is so much stuff to sift through on these threads with everyone kind of offering a bit of good advice or questions. So it is no wonder to me that it can be stimulating in the least to figure out where you would like to spend your precious energy, heart and mind and focus on the next thing that would be best for your goals.

Meditation - There is a body of work by Bill Bodri - he has some e-books you might get something good out of. (Although he has some detractors who would argue with some of his theory) How to Measure and Deepen Your Spiritual Realization ("Measuring Meditation")

Also by him, maybe in line with your strong interests - The White Skeleton Meditation Practice Manual ..."Perhaps the most effective meditation technique to ever come out of India, because of its quick samadhi results and psychic abilities it typically produces, is the Dazzling White Skeleton Visualization. Learn to practice this very special Buddhist meditation technique that helps you reduce stress, eliminate attachment to your body, cultivate your chi (qi or prana) and open your chi channels, develop paranormal abilities and ultimately the first dhyana samadhi, which is the initial target of spiritual practice."

I don't earn money on any click throughs to his site - some of his work helped me. I also used to email him a long time ago when I had a question - his response always was, "Keep meditating." So he might still be available via email if you had questions about which one to start with.

Manifesting takes a great deal of pointed focus...and some 'meditation' can help develop that.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Dakini

I don't know Sun-toon, I should start reading his threads, he is probably more advanced in his particular practices and those would be over my head

Hi Dakini...I doubt it, I'm more of an advanced non-practitioner. :>)
That being said, working to stay in a state of awareness of the exchange of energy going on all around us is a kind of meditation plane of it's own. I can appreciate your use of the word "mystic" as opposed to "adept" since it seems so much less subjective. One person's adept can be the next person's fool...or worse, puppeteer.

The white skeleton meditation sounds interesting. I was hoping to find a link to examine the technique, but I can't see paying for something I'd probably not use (and I realize you weren't recommending it to me :>)...since I'm wary of anything connected to any religion or established path of energetics. This doesn't imply an opinion about its merits as far as anyone else is concerned.

It's not just the idea of information having been kept secret that I see as a problem, but that the misdirection of energy and information has been a major function of all the world's religions and spiritual institutions. I inherently mistrust every meditation technique, doctrine, prayer, magical spell or whatever, out of a suspicion of the subtle programming or energetic heisting that may be involved.

This probably sounds paranoid, but it's because I'm buying into one component of Wingmaker/James' paradigm, and also that of Kyle Griffith's War in Heaven...the notion of being caught up in a holographic prison of a sort that remains a prison right up through and beyond all the levels of the spiritual adepts and even ascended mastery. Therefore I have alarms going off constantly, even over such elemental constructs as archetypal images. There's a good chance that many of the techniques and processes which we believe have been designed by spiritual masters and/or light beings, are actually distractions to take a serious seeker of the knowledge of the workings of reality, into a higher plane of entrapment.

Originally Posted by Dakini

Manifesting takes a great deal of pointed focus...and some 'meditation' can help develop that.

I agree, and to Czymra I'd like to add that we're always manifesting, every moment, all the time. What we're seeking isn't only the ability to manifest, or even to manifest intentionally, but to have the clarity to manifest intelligently and in balance with the natural rhythms and patterns of organic life as well. If we can't find a way to empty ourselves of mental babble this is never possible...so some way to turn off and go deeper than mind is essential to the process.

[Dakini]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

Hi Dakini...I doubt it, I'm more of an advanced non-practitioner. :>)
That being said, working to stay in a state of awareness of the exchange of energy going on all around us is a kind of meditation plane of it's own.

Very true; to me, this is in essence The Work and quite possibly, The Way.

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

I can appreciate your use of the word "mystic" as opposed to "adept" since it seems so much less subjective. One person's adept can be the next person's fool...or worse, puppeteer.

Yes, absolutely.

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

The white skeleton meditation sounds interesting. I was hoping to find a link to examine the technique, but I can't see paying for something I'd probably not use (and I realize you weren't recommending it to me :>)...since I'm wary of anything connected to any religion or established path of energetics. This doesn't imply an opinion about its merits as far as anyone else is concerned.

I can tell you that the first ebook was well worth the $ - it is 200 pages printed off - maybe if Czymra and you were interested, you could split the cost, since it is sent via email, i think, for download.

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

It's not just the idea of information having been kept secret that I see as a problem, but that the misdirection of energy and information has been a major function of all the world's religions and spiritual institutions. I inherently mistrust every meditation technique, doctrine, prayer, magical spell or whatever, out of a suspicion of the subtle programming or energetic heisting that may be involved.

I agree - I have no religion, and was not raised with any religion. However, through my study of the Mystics and Eastern practices of meditation, mystery school teachings and other things, one can see the common links - and within the links the doorways into the inner realms. Cymra wants to start someplace though, and it's hard to try to select something for him to explore that isn't filled with, from my experience, errors - for lack of a better word.

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

This probably sounds paranoid, but it's because I'm buying into one component of Wingmaker/James' paradigm, and also that of Kyle Griffith's War in Heaven...the notion of being caught up in a holographic prison of a sort that remains a prison right up through and beyond all the levels of the spiritual adepts and even ascended mastery. Therefore I have alarms going off constantly, even over such elemental constructs as archetypal images. There's a good chance that many of the techniques and processes which we believe have been designed by spiritual masters and/or light beings, are actually distractions to take a serious seeker of the knowledge of the workings of reality, into a higher plane of entrapment.

From my understanding, Griffith's work is pretty dark stuff - creates a unique ripple effect in one's emotional subtle body layer that will feel like paranoia. Whatever we resonate with, whether it's Griffiths, Wingmaker, 'whom'ever is very interesting to me, bc of the DNA frequency patterns we are uniquely born with and maybe our genetic past about who dabbled in what and what we are to transcend this lifetime.

At least James displays some of the patterns of a visionary; The Mystic is often an artist; some artists have that direct line. Which is what I envision you being - a visionary himself who must believe that and continue to produce your own body of work with little or no distractions. From this one post it is what I get - and many of the visionaries alive today will intuitively reject those things that do not ring true within them. Rebels some, and defenders of The Truth they are born with.

Those on the visionary path will no doubt read through many texts, try many methods, but ultimately, bc of their 'bigger' nature forge new ground. This is how beings and, I believe, Spirit depend on the visionary. BC as the visionaries evolve, so does Spirit expand and evolve.

[avyaktam]

FYI I saw this on the James Casbolt thread page 26
these entities have no energy source and they can be understood as the ultimate bullies. There is some kind of king entity which feeds off the power of radiation on this planet. He is tuned into all TV's, computers, radios etc. I don't fully understand it myself but magnetic tentacles attach to the third eye chakra and he feeds from us and then passes the chi down to his soldiers. This is why many mystics avoid these modern contraptions. Anyone remember the film 'Agency' with the 6 million dollar man in it. On the front cover it says "Someone wants to control your mind, and their using your TV to do it".

[avyaktam]

To learn how energies are captured, read "True Reality of Sexuality" and watch the DVDs on the topic.
http://www.expansions.com/QA_Comments.cfm

What a thrill to have read the entire Thread... and OMG sun-toon, I just love you!... and Czymra, we are family!!! I understand you two to the marrow!!! I feel so at home with the subject as I too have been pondering the same idea for some time... this Energy Feed-fest deal... sure rings real to me!!!

My father once said "life feeds on life".. and for yrs that stuck in mind... wondered just what am I food for??? And, now here I am reading this thread with a question about just HOW this syphoning happens? What is the process? Extremely stimulating question!!!

No one apparently knows HOW it happens, but I've experienced being the generator & the recipient... we ALL have really, we've just not paid attention.

Reading this thread has me in a tailspin as there have been so many thought trains to respond to, but now I've come to the end of the thread and am left w/notes to myself on a paper plate (hey, it was handy)... let me catch my breath!

Quickly, one thing I intuit: Intent is Not enough to stop your energies from feeding whatever entities thrive on them. And by golly, I'm just stunned into delight to have read that perhaps there is a symbiotic relationship as well... wow, that I had never thought of.. quite true ringing as well.

another thing i must ask: what is BDSM? It will come to mind just as soon as I hit 'send'... thanks... I'll be back after I take a break.

Love this Thread!!!

SunToon wrote: You could decide to operate under an entirely new paradigm without any hemispheric synchronization. I do understand that the mind can't be examined from the point of view of the mind. I'm just telling you, that from experience, I've learned the intuitive part of the mind, which may be actually reaching past the boundaries of mind, tends to bring information to the rational senses that appear at first to be disconnected and irrational, but upon integration, end up raising the plane of what used be logical.

Avyaktam: I was introduced to Stewart Swerdlow some yrs back and just met him last year. His work is what has me intrigued with this energetic feeding frenzy that happens 24/7... fascinating to say the least. It's no wonder that sexuality is all over the media, porn so pervasive on the internet.... we are not taught, haven't much of a clue of the creative power in these energies... most people are into the feel good of things... so it's quite possible that undirected energy is harvested/syphoned for another use by whatever entity has the know how to capture it.

Excellent question: what is the Know-How, how does it work? Woo Hoo!!!! back later...

SunToon wrote: "...the misdirection of energy and information has been a major function of all the world's religions and spiritual institutions. I inherently mistrust every meditation technique, doctrine, prayer, magical spell or whatever, out of a suspicion of the subtle programming or energetic heisting that may be involved".

I'm on line w/this. For some darned reason, all my life I've trusted some inner guidance that said you don't have to sit in a particular fashion to meditate, that sort of thing. I dislike using the word 'believe' ... I tend to own the idea that we all have the same 'stuff' to work with... whatever it IS that is living us, ya know???.. and if you follow me, this "stuff" that lives us IS the REAL us, it's not our looks, our education, our job , that is us... all of us... and for lack of a better word, the Ego and the programming/mind shaping imprinting that is all around us from day one, HAS us.. it's just amazing that this 'something' within me keeps me knowing that I am on the right track regardless of the entrainment of this modern life.

Misdirected energy. Yes, information is hidden but we all have what it takes to break through. There is a connection to a source, the source of all, that can be tapped into.

The word Syphon has a negative taste to it... along w/the endless tales &witnesses of reptilians/aliens/PTB/illuminati agendas... this VICTIM mentality is just rampant (Swerdlow message).. it's undeniable. We have to BLAME something & someone for our seeming lack of know how.

All I can say is that we humans must have something really special & powerful that we are unaware of. So, better the question be, How Can We Consciously Generate for Creative Benevolence rather than How Does the Syphoning happen?? No?? Seems to me that should we KNOW that we do certainly have powerful creative energies... we would naturally cultivate that within ourselves just as a baby begins to walk... we don't need a teacher or the Illuminati to show us. Why? Because that sort of thing can't be shown, can it??? Not to mention that fact of being able to trust the source!

It just seems to me that hardly anything can be verified anymore !
That our energies are being sucked from us... that astral beings eat us when we die.... who cares? if we OWN our power, no one can take it!!!

g'nite, I'm tired & I think I've rambled.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Dakini

Cymra wants to start someplace though, and it's hard to try to select something for him to explore that isn't filled with, from my experience, errors - for lack of a better word.

It's too bad, but I think you're right. I don't like mistrusting every method both modern and traditional, but most if not all have been compromised...or...they're illegal. There may be a clue in that.

Originally Posted by Dakini

From my understanding, Griffith's work is pretty dark stuff - creates a unique ripple effect in one's emotional subtle body layer that will feel like paranoia. Whatever we resonate with, whether it's Griffiths, Wingmaker, 'whom'ever is very interesting to me, bc of the DNA frequency patterns we are uniquely born with and maybe our genetic past about who dabbled in what and what we are to transcend this lifetime.

At least James displays some of the patterns of a visionary; The Mystic is often an artist; some artists have that direct line. Which is what I envision you being - a visionary himself who must believe that and continue to produce your own body of work with little or no distractions. From this one post it is what I get - and many of the visionaries alive today will intuitively reject those things that do not ring true within them. Rebels some, and defenders of The Truth they are born with,

Some visionaries visualize darkness. We don't always have a choice in what we see. I was thinking today that each level of our awakening to the ubiquitous darkness which overlays this realm tends to cause overexpansion, and at first, some measure of paranoia (i.e omg, they really did blow up the towers!?!). It's true with War in Heaven (and btw, I don't buy into all of that) and it's also true with this idea of being siphoned for our energy. For me, the more I know the less paranoid I am, because fear becomes neutralized by increased clarity.

Interesting that you visualized me...I like what you wrote, though most people are less appreciative and tend to write off what you call "visionary" as paranoid, ungrounded or my annoying attempts to reinvent the wheel (and if they only knew that I really want to reinvent fire).

Originally Posted by Dakini

Those on the visionary path will no doubt read through many texts, try many methods, but ultimately, bc of their 'bigger' nature forge new ground. This is how beings and, I believe, Spirit depend on the visionary. BC as the visionaries evolve, so does Spirit expand and evolve.

It will be amazing if we come to find that what we've done here does help expand and evolve the greater conciousness. I have a strong feeling that this is a weird outpost in the local universe where mighty forces have gathered to fight a war by proxy, and in which "territory" is the direction of the evolution of the human thoughtform. There's something to that "ground crew" label, which if we think about it should be empowering. I imagine that many of the most adept beings are working here on the inside.

Originally Posted by EpiphaMe

What a thrill to have read the entire Thread... and OMG sun-toon, I just love you!... and Czymra, we are family!!! I understand you two to the marrow!!! I feel so at home with the subject as I too have been pondering the same idea for some time... this Energy Feed-fest deal... sure rings real to me!!!

My father once said "life feeds on life".. and for yrs that stuck in mind... wondered just what am I food for???

Quickly, one thing I intuit: Intent is Not enough to stop your energies from feeding whatever entities thrive on them. And by golly, I'm just stunned into delight to have read that perhaps there is a symbiotic relationship as well... wow, that I had never thought of.. quite true ringing as well.

another thing i must ask: what is BDSM?

Hi EpiphaMe, nice to have you in the thread.
I've had your father's view for a long time. I think the material worlds mirror the higher densities. In the same way in which every creature here trades in sunlight, up and down the food chain, in other densities, it's "energy" that's consumed. It's kind of creepy, but I also think it's a part of the natural system...though that's been hijacked, perverted and turned into a major industry that trades in loosh.

I just thought of a visual aid which has influenced me a lot, Alex Grey's "Demons and Deities Drinking at the Milky Pool". It's worth finding his book, "Sacred Mirrors" and viewing it there because the information is all in the details:



I'm not sure about the intent thing, but if it's not impossible now, it's surely more difficult. Perhaps we need to find ways of connection that help us protect each other rather than everyone trying to defend themselves individually against overwhelming odds. I'm confident that our "light being" families are helping with this, but it sure is hard to tell who's who in that domain.

...and to answer your question:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM

Originally Posted by EpiphaMe

All I can say is that we humans must have something really special & powerful that we are unaware of. So, better the question be, How Can We Consciously Generate for Creative Benevolence rather than How Does the Syphoning happen?? No?? Seems to me that should we KNOW that we do certainly have powerful creative energies... we would naturally cultivate that within ourselves just as a baby begins to walk... we don't need a teacher or the Illuminati to show us. Why? Because that sort of thing can't be shown, can it??? Not to mention that fact of being able to trust the source!

That our energies are being sucked from us... that astral beings eat us when we die.... who cares? if we OWN our power, no one can take it!!!

I do believe that humans have something special and powerful, and we're definitely, as a group unaware of it. I also think you're really on the right track by considering what it is we can consciously generate. That's the key, to make ourselves into lighter food...food that's unacceptable to the lower frequency parasites who are manipulating us into producing their favorite chow.

But we need to care. Maybe astral beings won't eat you or me, but I'm not happy about them eating my mom either...or anybody. These systems, realms, whatever we call them, are interconnected. If bringing down the loosh generating system on planet doesn't end it in the astral as well, that will be the next mission.

[Czymra]

I do believe that humans have something special and powerful, and we're definitely, as a group unaware of it. I also think you're really on the right track by considering what it is we can consciously generate. That's the key, to make ourselves into lighter food...food that's unacceptable to the lower frequency parasites who are manipulating us into producing their favorite chow.

I did want to keep answering to this thread but I've been caught up in my own little syphoning trip. Stress really is just another means of opening a person up to be syphoned isnt' it?

In that sense, even though it may be redundant, I want to make it clear that I believe the first step to parrying syphoning is to look very very strictly at one's own thought and emotion patterns and to recognise which have been planted there to 'self-destruct' so to say.
This isn't anything new, I know, but what came to me is the feeling that all of us should be impeccable at defending such kinds of attacks by nature. It's only when the weaving of our tapestry is corrupted that a thread can be pulled from it.
So, as outlined in length before in the conversations (exchange?) with oedilroed, there is a plethora of psychological games going on that represent such a corruption in the pattern of weaving. Such are victimhood, greed for power, stress, paranoia and many more.

I agree with EpiphaMe that we should also concentrate on opening the channel to the source (of energy) but we are all concerned with doing that anyway it seems. In that sense, I can't help but reinstate the importance of scepticism towards all forms of ritualised practice, be that skateboarding or meditation. As said before, this time around, there are no teachers, the pattern has to break of horizontally.

Furthermore, I wonder if syphoning or accumulating energy is always an act of a sexual fashion. I don't mean a 3D sexual encounter or so, but merely the fact that the type of energy that flows from wherever to whoever, is of a sexual nature.

What is sexuality anyway on the higher planes? Just exchange? What is it about astral sex that it seems to be the most widely used too to keep people at bay from entering in a more profound state in the astra?

But I do feel you, Czymra...your earnest thirst for knowledge and to 'be the ship.' Do you know how rare that is? And refreshing? I was only attempting, maybe not so skillfully, to point you in a direction you may not have considered. Something that to me is more in line with the Mystic's path - I say that because I see in you something that is indeed rare, and someone who could benefit greatly. And manifesting is not so in line with that particular path. Although one would learn to manifest on that path - it's just not the focus of that path.

Dakini, could you try to classify that path? I sense what you're saying but my intellect isn't following. I'm not particularly intent on manifesting.... but at the moment I'm still hardly conscious of what's going on. I wonder if consciousness has anything to do with it even. The models are all so corrupted.

If I had to describe an affinity to roles (of energetic transfer maybe) the easiest analogy I can find is in roleplaying games... and it would be somewhere along the line of druid/ranger/messenger. Ah, I wish we could just throw the old language out and make a new one. Anyone ever read "City of Glass" by Auster?

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Czymra

I did want to keep answering to this thread but I've been caught up in my own little syphoning trip. Stress really is just another means of opening a person up to be syphoned isnt' it?

The constant barrage of chaotic forces we live in are the means of opening us up. It's not just fear, it's all the mundane things that drag us into the matrix pattern...stupid laws and taxes, the absurd economic systems we're living in, the programs of social, emotional and sexual behaviors that are broadcast into our lives. The message is always, "follow the rules, fit into the system, play the game and you'll be comfortable and life will be easy", but of course they're really saying, "Go back to sleep, don't push buttons or look deeper and you won't have that stress, Czymra". :>)

I find the mundane attacks to be the most sinister element...really, they're the very background pattern that we're playing the game on, and the most effective means of opening us up to be siphoned. It's the people who crack from it all who get the most attention, but they're not the main source of the harvest.

Originally Posted by Czymra

So, as outlined in length before in the conversations (exchange?) with oedilroed, there is a plethora of psychological games going on that represent such a corruption in the pattern of weaving. Such are victimhood, greed for power, stress, paranoia and many more.

...I wonder if syphoning or accumulating energy is always an act of a sexual fashion. I don't mean a 3D sexual encounter or so, but merely the fact that the type of energy that flows from wherever to whoever, is of a sexual nature. What is sexuality anyway on the higher planes? Just exchange? What is it about astral sex that it seems to be the most widely used too to keep people at bay from entering in a more profound state in the astra?

I couldn't figure out what was going on in your exchange with oedilroed (not that I'm not curious :>), but I do think you've nailed it when you mention the "psychological games that represent...corruption". We come into these lives already traumatized, and those games can either keep us at the frequency we came in at, or help us to transcend old patterns. I've had people freak on me when I've said that BDSM can be used as a healing process, because all they can see is that it's representative of perverse sexuality...but I'd wager that most of us have been involved in such perversions in our existence, both as givers and takers, and in those instances we played for keeps. Finding a way of safely bleeding those old patterns out of our systems, and leaving them behind, can't be any more wrong than suppressing them and having them manifest in bizarre and enigmatic patterns of behavior.

I should have entered this into my previous post...Alex Grey's comments on the "Demons and Dieties Drinking at the Milky Pool" painting:

I had a vision of the group soul of humanity as a perfectly circular pool of intense living light. All around the rim of the milky pool were a complex variety of sexual rites, a metaphor for all social interaction. Translucent Hindu deities swooped over the group taking the excessive energy of the shimmering pool and passing through the group as ecstasy and pain. I saw that the reason we were all brought together was to provide a psychic energy feast for the Gods and Goddesses. I saw my heart as the axis of karmic, earthly, and universal energies, transected by and uniting the polarities of male/female, birth/death, good/evil, and love/hate. To maintain a balance of forces we all fed both Deities and Demons.

There's a page on Jonothan Zap's site, titled Alex Grey and the Mind Parasites which might lend some insight to this conversation.

I'm curious as to what you mean by your suggestion that "[astral sex] seems to be the most widely used tool to keep people at bay from entering in a more profound state in the astra".

I'm not going to answer for Dakini, but I do want to say that it doesn't matter whether you're "intent on manifesting" or not, you're doing it, every moment. This is where the impeccability comes into play, so you don't have to be filled with thinking about it every second, it's just positive emanation. And you're already on the mystic path, it's just that it usually takes many years of experiencing it before we can comprehend that it is what it is.

[Dakini]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Dakini, could you try to classify that (Mystic's) path? I sense what you're saying but my intellect isn't following. I'm not particularly intent on manifesting.... but at the moment I'm still hardly conscious of what's going on. I wonder if consciousness has anything to do with it even. The models are all so corrupted.

I'm not sure that you wouldn't view this path as out-moded, or too traditional, or corrupted. But for someone with so much to say and explore, it could be something to read about to understand this path.

To classify it would be a long post, if I could even do it :-). I would point you to Evelyn Underhill - my favorite to read - herself a British Mystic - she wrote primarily of the Christian mystics, and, leaving out her own process, describes the process of the mystic path so incredibly eloquently bc of her firsthand knowledge of it. Here is what she says:

We begin, therefore, to see that the task of union with Reality will involve certain stages of preparation as well as stages of attainment; and these stages of preparation — for some disinterested souls easy and rapid, for others long and full of pain — may be grouped under two heads.

First, the disciplining and simplifying of the attention, which is the essence of Recollection. Next, the disciplining and simplifying of the affections and will, the orientation of the heart; which is sometimes called by the formidable name of Purgation. So the practical mysticism of the plain man will best be grasped by him as a five-fold scheme of training and growth: in which the first two stages prepare the self for union with Reality, and the last three unite it successively with the World of Becoming, the World of Being, and finally with that Ultimate Fact which the philosopher calls the Absolute and the religious mystic calls God. From, Practical Mysticism, here on pbs.org

This is a lifelong path, one with no guarantees of any progress. For the Mystics, in the final process of it all, they find themselves integrated back into the normal world, living life, but being carried by their realization.

The Mystic's Path - An old fashioned Way, perhaps, but so compelling to read and experience. There is a new Way that is emerging, and that Way has in common elements of this path.

[sun-toon´]

Here's an interesting piece on siphoning from Bronte Baxter's "Splinter in the Mind" blog stretching the idea energy siphoning into consciousness assimiliation:
Enlightenment: From Siphoning to Assimilation

Bronte Baxter wrote:

Yet there is another, more insidious reason why the ancient religions, which taught fear of God, have morphed into modern religions and spiritual practices that teach surrender or love of God. The reason concerns free will. If that deeply human element can be won over, if the heart and ability to choose can be wholly offered to “the divine,” those on the receiving end no longer have to siphon humans for their energy, they can simply assimilate us. We become one with their system, with their collective consciousness. Our personal energy signature – the soul or ego, individual self– that which makes us creative, original, reasoned, deliberate beings of action – that is taken from us. Or more precisely, we give it away.

We give ourselves to “the divine,” and in so doing, align our personal frequency with those who have fed on humans since the dawn of history. We become entrained with them, like a tuning fork that hums the pitch of the humming forks around it or a soldier that marches in step with his army. As in the military, the surrender of personal choice results in a strengthening of the collective. Soldiers fall out of step when they cross a bridge, because the power of marching in unison is great enough that it could break the structure. Assimilation strengthens the collective that is the gods.

Cosmic consciousness is not what we are told: a state where the individual mind merges with its own interior pure consciousness. Cosmic consciousness (“enlightenment” or “Brahman”) is a fusing of one’s personal self with the force that has hijacked the universe.

It seems the idea of whether or not we should surrender our egos to God, or universal Oneness, is the dividing line between spiritual paths. Do we take our individual sovereign consciousness and become actual co-creators, or do we merge into the void. Personally, the void holds no attraction for me, especially since it's not a void at all, it's another conscious mind...a very large one, and it's not mine. Therefore I do not want to assimilate with it, and I'm tired of being deluded and siphoned by it.

Just the act of thinking like this is liberating. It takes the siphoning concept all the way to the top...because it is above, as it is below.
There is an outside to all of this.

QUOTE: Hi EpiphaMe, nice to have you in the thread.
I've had your father's view for a long time. I think the material worlds mirror the higher densities. In the same way in which every creature here trades in sunlight, up and down the food chain, in other densities, it's "energy" that's consumed. It's kind of creepy, but I also think it's a part of the natural system...though that's been hijacked, perverted and turned into a major industry that trades in loosh.

*** that is so kool you said that it's part of the natural system.. ya see? sometimes I'm just so dense (or shallow) that I can't entertain the other side of the coin... but just today my Best friend next to my husband said the SAME thing! I kid you not! How KOOL.. I love having my thoughttrain derailed!

Dakini wrote: Spiritual seekers - those on that path will confess that one may pray, meditate for years, read, ask, seek, seek, seek and not ever come to know Spirit. Because the control of this experience is not in our hands.

***Whoah Nellie!!!~ Now I HAVE thought of the same idea... that somewhere, somehow, our Peak abilities have been bred out of us... because many times in the past (when I was younger) my mind would hit a brick wall when trying to penetrate conceptuals (that does not so much happen anymore, maybe I'm just stupid now, I dunno.. lol)... would you expound please, your take on that?

I'm going to post this now although I have more to respond to... it's just that this posting thing times out of my frequently... I don't want to lose the train ride....

Dakini wrote: Just because one has acquired these psychic abilities, makes him/her no closer to Spirit - as you have said.

*** I hear you... I've often reflected on myself, having grokked conceptuals yet they don't necessarily produce change in my behavior...]
Ken Wilber suggests that we've missed a rung on the ladder... I don't necessarily buy that idea, howEVER I too have judged myself, that I
should have responded this way or that based on what I've grokked...

is that what you mean? That even tho we "get" this or that... really, fundamentally, we "get" it... that unless is affects a discernable change within us, that it is moooooot???

I really don't think so myself. We deal with so much BS in life...
I think that we have mind memes that dictate and play a large part in our view of what "enlightment" means...

in other words, I think that god likes a brandy/coffee now n then! get my drift/?? Sin IS ignorance & nothing more.

lol

[Dakini]

Originally Posted by EpiphaMe

Dakini wrote: Just because one has acquired these psychic abilities, makes him/her no closer to Spirit - as you have said.

*** I hear you... I've often reflected on myself, having grokked conceptuals yet they don't necessarily produce change in my behavior...]
Ken Wilber suggests that we've missed a rung on the ladder... I don't necessarily buy that idea, howEVER I too have judged myself, that I
should have responded this way or that based on what I've grokked...

is that what you mean? That even tho we "get" this or that... really, fundamentally, we "get" it... that unless is affects a discernable change within us, that it is moooooot???

Well, as Underhill would say, The psychic gets, the Mystic gives.

What I said is that we all have met people who have a specific amount of spiritual powers / spiritual weath. They may be able to manifest all kinds of things for themselves. Doesn't unequivocally mean that those people are any closer to Goddess/God.

[Dakini]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

Here's an interesting piece on siphoning from Bronte Baxter's "Splinter in the Mind" blog stretching the idea energy siphoning into consciousness assimiliation:
Enlightenment: From Siphoning to Assimilation

Bronte Baxter wrote:

It seems the idea of whether or not we should surrender our egos to God, or universal Oneness, is the dividing line between spiritual paths. Do we take our individual sovereign consciousness and become actual co-creators, or do we merge into the void. Personally, the void holds no attraction for me, especially since it's not a void at all, it's another conscious mind...a very large one, and it's not mine. Therefore I do not want to assimilate with it, and I'm tired of being deluded and siphoned by it.

Just the act of thinking like this is liberating. It takes the siphoning concept all the way to the top...because it is above, as it is below.
There is an outside to all of this.

Jeeze, she makes it sound almost sinister. She sounds like she has a beef.

Bronte also says, "Our personal energy signature – the soul or ego, individual self– that which makes us creative, original, reasoned, deliberate beings of action – that is taken from us. Or more precisely, we give it away."

Makes me think that she sounds like someone who spent "17 years of her life teaching (Eastern) meditation" and never did have her own enlightenment experience. Although she calls herself a 'New Age Heretic' she points out that her favorite books are ones on manifestation. Hm.

Pretty true, though, that most of those who 'assimilate' are willing to give it away. (Some find themselves in the Void not by their choice, but by the choice of something much Bigger than they. The true "Void" being, itself a Stargate to the Divine - a 'place' exceedingly, extremely RARE to find oneself.) Maybe, as one could infer, she tried for 17 years to "give it away" and no-One came along to receive her. I wonder what she would've written if, during that 17 yr. period, something HAD come along and ultimately received her? Ah, perhaps there's the beef?

A war doesn't need to exist between the manifestors like Baxter - and the ones who manifest but also contemplate other possibilities beyond their own mind - beyond the personal - and into the Transpersonal. The ones that choose to explore the Transpersonal need not feel foolish for trying.

She also says, "Brahman is that consciousness that feeds and depends on physical matter, creating and devouring it at will, as humans breed then slaughter animals on a farm for food. When meditators have cosmic visions of themselves as all the universe, this is the consciousness they identify with. By uniting with and surrendering to it as their Higher Self, they become possessed by the entities who have taken charge of (and perhaps created) the physical universe."

Eastern religion is filled with destructionist gods as well as other types. And even in Christianity - 'The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away.' It's just life as we know it.

The entities that are in charge of the physical universe are not all destroyers. Perhaps they have engineered the human brain and heart reaction of the enlightenment experience. From all accounts of it though, the ones who had it didn't complain about the Union itself.

[Czymra]

Wow Sun-Toon'
You surely found an explosive quote there.
I am however also very weary of people that sound bitter and she sure does as Dakini already pointed out. However, I think she has a good point.
The difference to me is that I have no problem being part of a collective as long as I can make sure that I have my free will and can assess that there is never a single being that controls it all.

So, humbly, as you insist that ther IS an outside to all of this, I think her 'reasoning' your way out can't be it. If there is a catch with all the 'beyond mind' stuff then it is that it isn't actually 'beyond mind'.
This is to say that it's still in the HMS/GSSC or whatever you want to call it.

I had an interesting talk with Mudra about this yesterday. The question is of course whether one should put priority into preventing syphoning/leakage or gaining more energy.
This is also an issue that comes up regarding the Nexus thread... is there a point putting more 'energy' into the grid if it's already corrupted? Can one really mark the energy with an intent that isolates it from abuse?

Be that as it may, one of the main questions to me is still 'Where does energy come from?" because formerly I believed all energy is First Source (some call it spiritual others soul, my there is no model for this sh**) in nature, now I'm not so sure. It would be rather logical to think that energy just exists within the HMS and whatever is outside of it, simply has nothing to do with it.

And yes, if that is so, probably none of us has a f****** clue what it is.
How frustrating.

The longer I think about this the more I have to hand it to James from WingMakers. His terminology makes more sense than anything else I've seen so far.
For that matter, has anybody investigated the event temples? Is there syphoning/assimilation (protection) there?

Last but not least, can there be group efforts that, as pointed out before, do not submit themselves to a higher institution? Is Gaia Brahman?

[sun-toon´]

Hmmm...Dakini, the quote you attributed to Bronte Baxter was me, but I was echoing her sentiments. There's no question that entertaining ideas like hers involves a great expansion of consciousness. The thoughtform that we may be food for the gods (whatever their persuasion), and also that perhaps everything we think is real...from hell all the way up through and including heaven, could be a part of the same elaborate prison, requires courage just to be allowed to blossom within our hearts and minds. But, if it's true, what would be wrong with being...not necessarily angry, but in treating the situation as a warrior would. This is how I see Bronte Baxter, as a fierce warrior.

She understands exactly the method in which she was seduced into giving away her energy to Hindu gods. She knows the routine inside and out and down to the minutia of it. These are details we all need to understand in order to reclaim our sovereignty. Some of us have built in alarms which would never allow us to become so entrapped within a paradigm as she was, but as we smugly declare this fact, we're just as vulnerable in other ways.

It's curious how this thread has evolved, beginning with such a simple question about how energy is siphoned. It was obvious that we all intuitively understand that this can occur by sexual means, through the great build up and release of sexual energy. It's clear that no one really appreciates giving it up, it's the bank account of our personal magical kingdoms, and even though we seem to collect a stipend every time we pass "Go", we still don't like paying rent for our very existence.

No one want so to be siphoned by sexual partners, inorganic creatures or by astral beings manipulating our consciousness. We understand when we've given our essence to the dark overloads who control the physical and astral realms, and we don't like it. We want to move our energy into more enlightening vibrations. But, what if those are apart of the cage as well? If the "good" gods are just as needy as the dark ones...because none of them are the prime creator, none of them are the One, then they're all just fractal iterations of it, just exactly as we are. If this is true, there is more. There is an "outside".

It really is like waking up inside a dream inside a dream. Just within this thread we've done this. What if we're apart of the Brahman's energy farm, and not only being seduced into feeding him, but into giving ourselves away completely...sold on the idea that this is the goal, the goal of assimilation? Do we have the right to be a little pissy about that?

I don't see such a great difference between Bronte and the Wingmaker's paradigm, in fact it seems to me that Bronte is held by fewer restraints than James...perhaps he owes more to his sources than she does. But they're both telling us that it's the same system, all the way to the top, a bubble in the fabric of reality that is not the All it appears to be.

Originally Posted by Dakini

A war doesn't need to exist between the manifestors like Baxter - and the ones who manifest but also contemplate other possibilities beyond their own mind - beyond the personal - and into the Transpersonal. The ones that choose to explore the Transpersonal need not feel foolish for trying.

Maybe there's always a war between the personal self and the transpersonal, and perhaps we find victory by finding balance. What is evil besides an expansion of the self until it becomes the whole of Being -- absolute evil is absolute service to self. At the other extreme is the death of the ego, the loss of all that is personal and unique by being re-absorbed into the formless patterns of reality...or so we've been sold. Or, maybe we're just kibble for Brahma.

Why would either of these extremes be the intent of a prime creator who seems to have turned us loose, endowed with the power to co-create realities within eternity? Eternity requires the ongoing invention of novel experiences for consciousnesses to reside there without succumbing to entropy. How do would we serve that paradigm by spending thousands of lifetimes amassing experience, learning to become adept co-creators ourselves, and then merging our uniquely beautiful consciousnesses with the bloated overloads of the status quo?

[milk and honey]

Hi Czyrma... Put my toe in a couple weeks back when life shanghied me again but i've been reading along enjoying this one. Your questions arise from deep within and aside from some of the very insightful replies, you as often answer them yourself by your own similarly inscrutable contemplations.

From where i sit, Dakini seems to have simplified her gnosis and finds (for others) the appropriate words to express. Some others, while equally touching the hem of reality, as often tear it asunder, so to speak. This quote for example was written by Sun-Toon not Bronte:

It seems the idea of whether or not we should surrender our egos to God, or universal Oneness, is the dividing line between spiritual paths. Do we take our individual sovereign consciousness and become actual co-creators, or do we merge into the void. Personally, the void holds no attraction for me, especially since it's not a void at all, it's another conscious mind...a very large one, and it's not mine. Therefore I do not want to assimilate with it, and I'm tired of being deluded and siphoned by it.

The sentiment expressed here accords with Bronte's but is based on a misunderstanding of 'merging with the higher-Self or Oneness'. They're hearing alarm bells ring because 'union' seems to them an abrogation of freewill and individuality and this precisely because of their belief in some of the tenets of Kyle Griffiths' cosmology.

As i see it, those ideas, though valid as a description of lower order entities - we don't want 'union' with them - are utterly false when considering 'union' with the Divine. And by 'Divine' i mean the spiritual origin of one's own being NOT some inexpressible 'void' created by cosmic parasites. The soul is the 'child' of the spiritual- Self. It is individual and sovereign and it's projection into matter is by agreement with the spiritual-Self. A soul is part of that greater being yet is free to choose the guiding Will of spirit (and thereby recieve the greater intelligence and empowerment of co-creativity with that greater being) or to forge an outer identity based on personal standards of relative good and evil. One leads to higher levels of self-realisation and the other to deeper levels of estrangement and ignor-ance of source.

With this perspective, there is indeed "an outside" to the box of fear and suspicion which causes souls to seek 'safety' by rejecting the gems of wisdom handed on from the mystics who've gone before us.

Just the act of thinking like this is liberating. It takes the siphoning concept all the way to the top...because it is above, as it is below.
There is an outside to all of this.

Syphoning does not go "all the way to the top". It is done by rogues who can only syphon souls who are vulnerable to it and that means those who have not found union with the (vibrational) "top" of their own being. The first liberating thought is that this is in fact possible and further that it is mandated by the Divine as a natural completion of the aeonic sojourn. It cannot happen without acceptance of the inner-Guide... The one that whispers questions through the window of inner-consciousness and answers from the same place... I AM.

Ah Czymra, you do it often.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

From where i sit, Dakini seems to have simplified her gnosis and finds (for others) the appropriate words to express. Some others, while equally touching the hem of reality, as often tear it asunder, so to speak. This quote for example was written by Sun-Toon not Bronte:

....the sentiment expressed accords with Bronte's but is based on a misunderstanding of 'merging with the higher-Self or Oneness'. They're hearing alarm bells ring because 'union' seems to them an abrogation of freewill and individuality and this precisely because of their belief in some of the tenets of Kyle Griffiths' cosmology.

I'll excuse your judgment of my "misunderstanding" of this concept. Perhaps if you were clearer on what Bronte Baxter has to say on the subject you'd understand why the alarms are going off...and the question is not one that can stay contained within Kyle Griffith's cosmology, though I'd say that it is somewhat related. IMO, we're being deceived by lower order entities, and higher order entities as well. When beings represent themselves as the Divine, play the hand of the Divine, look, walk and act like the Divine Duck, it's easy to be confused by those appearances.

Originally Posted by milk and honey

As i see it, those ideas, though valid as a description of lower order entities - we don't want 'union' with them - are utterly false when considering 'union' with the Divine. And by 'Divine' i mean the spiritual origin of one's own being NOT some inexpressible 'void' created by cosmic parasites.

With this perspective, there is indeed "an outside" to the box of fear and suspicion which causes souls to seek 'safety' by rejecting the gems of wisdom handed on from the mystics who've gone before us.

And I see it as a question of how to tell the One from the Divine impostors. If God is not God, but a usurper, and we return to Him, to what have we returned?

You seem to have missed the whole point here. Of course there's an outside to the "box of fear", but there's also an outside to the box of love and bliss. It's a strange comment you make about seeking safety by the rejection of mystical gems of wisdom. Is that what we're doing here? From the safety of those very gems you find the objective point of view in which to make this pronouncement?

Originally Posted by milk and honey

Syphoning does not go "all the way to the top". It is done by rogues who can only syphon souls who are vulnerable to it and that means those who have not found union with the "very top" of their own being. The first liberating thought is that this is in fact possible and further that it is mandated by the Divine as a natural completion of the aeonic sojourn. It cannot happen without acceptance of the inner-Guide... The one that whispers questions through the window of inner consciousness and answers from the same 'place'... I AM.

And yet you would use the term "I AM", a poisoned and tainted call to join the astral circus...one that's been used and abused by wraiths through hundreds of channels like the Ballards (I AM/St Germain movement) and Mark and Elizabeth Prophet...not to mention its source from the biblical overlord Yahweh, the prime example of the non-prime creator. I'm not sure, but I see your paradigm as exactly the one I'd like to escape. Alignment with these kinds of phrases as well as most, if not all of the ancient archetypes, can do nothing but draw us deeper into the dream the false reality that has been created to entrap our consciousness.

The second one of my alarms that goes off is over your assertion of what is the meaning and nature of the "natural completion of the aeonic sojourn". Mine, as I've seen it for some time, has no meaningful completion. There's no direction, no need to "return", only a drive to reclaim power and reopen the connection to source consciousness. It's the whole idea of this "mandated" completion which is the lie we've been falling for.
There's no "rejection" of wisdom going on here, only a calling into question of what wisdom is actually wise. Which mystics made it out? Who reopened the connection to source consciousness without returning to formless bliss? And if we weren't trapped in these cycles of hell, we'd be much more interested in the act of Being co-creators, without a need to get the hell out of here and return to anything.

When I said that siphoning goes all the way to the top, I meant that, but by implication, throughout the rest of what I've written, that the top is not the top.

[milk and honey]

Windows auto updated and restarted the computer while writing my post and when it rebooted it left only fragments posted. I've deleted it all and will return to Sun-Toon's post later.

[Dakini]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

Hmmm...Dakini, the quote you attributed to Bronte Baxter was me, but I was echoing her sentiments. There's no question that entertaining ideas like hers involves a great expansion of consciousness.

For the record, I know where Baxter left off and you began - I just forgot to put quotation marks around her words. I've come across her before on the internet.

My concern for Baxter is that her words feel less 'expansive' and more constricting. And constriction = anger = fear at its base.

I will come back to your insights later today.

[Czymra]

Ah, Milk and Honey, I did wonder where you were.
Now we're just missing Josefine huh?

The battle has begun. This time though I don't feel like being a bystander since I opened this thread and I'll try to make sure we don't fall into semantics or personal sh*te like I've sadly seen it on other thread and forums.

Let me just pick up some minor bits and pieces that do the trick for me.

And I see it as a question of how to tell the One from the Divine impostors. If God is not God, but a usurper, and we return to Him, to what have we returned?

Milk and Honey, I'd love to believe that I can actually separate the wheat from the chaff but from my vantage point doing so would be utterly foolish.

It's the whole idea of this "mandated" completion which is the lie we've been falling for.

Yes indeed, it feels to me as if the 'mission on earth' is a nice 'all is fine' sedative for all the ones that threaten the system to break down because there's too much banging on the prison walls.

When I said that siphoning goes all the way to the top, I meant that, but by implication, throughout the rest of what I've written, that the top is not the top.

I think we're all agreeing on this one, it's just semantics.... dude the terms for all this are all over the place. To one the 'spirit' is the 'source' and to the other 'spirit' is just hocus pocus, is emotion a part of the illusion or is it divine?
Man man....

My concern for Baxter is that her words feel less 'expansive' and more constricting. And constriction = anger = fear at its base.

I will come back to your insights later today.

I agree with this, as well. I think Baxter is onto something but she has a growl in her writing.

Forgive me for bringing so little of tangible argument to the table but as things work for me, they usually run through the system for a while and I get a sensation of 'go' or 'don't go'. I certainly won't spend this life with reading all there is to read... so this is the best I can come up with.

I may not be as persistent as sun-toon' when it comes to the rejection of all old means, but I must admit that after long periods of introspection, every time I return to this attitude.
There's just too much BS out there.