Bill Ryan's thread

[whitefluffy]

why does everyone ( ok, most) write in white, so diffulcult to read on black background?
Why is the background black, not white?

hmmmm, black /white???????????

Just wondering Bill, due to a recent (i believe) related spate of threads on this site, re overpopulation/zeitgeist, recruiting for the cause, could you please make a statement on the following:

overpopulation = depopulation

same agenda, different name

i.e. "only the beards are different"

[qbeac]

Questions to Bill:

Do you think there is a chance to avoid an imminent civil war in the USA (please, see context bellow)?

Do you think people (regular people and high level insiders) will respond ASAP and do something to prevent it?

Context:

In post 669, pag. 27, I included a comment from Bob Dean about his concerns of a possible and imminent outbreak of civil war in the USA. This is what Benjamin Fulford has said about it just yesterday (Feb-8-10):

(Note: the following is a paying subscription update, so I’ll just include a brief excerpt because of its importance):

Benjamin Fulford’s weekly update
Simultaneous military, G7 and BIS summits point to something big
February 8, 2010
http://benjaminfulford.net/2010/02/0...something-big/

Brief excerpt: ... There are conflicting plans for the US as we write but our latest information is that a gold-backed Amero will replace the Mexican peso as well as the US and Canadian dollars to form a North American region currency. In preparation for such an event the Pentagon, the Canadian mounted police and Mexican Federales are said to be prepared to deal with civil unrest in the US, according to our sources.

The Amero will have a lot less purchasing power (30 to 50% less) internationally than the US dollar has now so many Americans will be understandably angry when the change is announced.

(...)

It remains to be seen if the US falls into civil war but Pentagon sources believe this can be avoided if the military takes legal steps to remove the criminal corporate government in Washington D.C.

In my opinion, some people do not yet realize how serious the situation is (or could be), because it seems the illuminati (or shadowy government) want to bring the USA down (is that correct?). And I suppose that’s a real possibility UNLESS somebody does something to stop them.

That’s why I posted in this thread the full letter from Sam Kennedy’s Plan (This one: “The Restore America Plan”. See previous link for more details), because at least that is “a plan”. Will it work? I don’t know, but at least is a “possible option” that may help, as opposed to doing “nothing” about it.

Btw, I posted Sam’s letter here because this is Bill Ryan’s thread. And I did it intentionally because, by posting it here, it gets a better chance to be viewed by many more people, and it seems to me that the solution to this situation requires the diligent ACTIONS of a lot of people, the more, the better.

But, as I mentioned in my previous post (the one erased), Jordan Maxwell lamented himself about the passivity or lack of caring of the people:

Jordan Maxwell: The Takeover of Planet Earth
Los Angeles, California, September 2008
http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/jo...erview_en.html

Kerry Cassidy: But in essence what I’m wondering... There are white hats operating, as you know, and as we know because we have been interacting with those people from time to time. Do you think it’s possible that these people can be stopped?

(...)

Jordan Maxwell: I categorically say No. I do not believe there is any reasonable evidence of anything of hope for America or for the world. That’s my personal opinion. I think that the light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming.

There’s no doubt in my mind, for myself. I do not believe America or the world at large is going to be able to extricate itself out of this situation. No. I do not believe it’s possible.

And the reason why is because the people are too stupid. They’re too ill-informed, ignorant, ill-informed, un-read, self-centered, egotistical, materialistic, and down-right stupid. And they don’t care. Basically speaking, people don’t care.... etc.

IMHO, many people have been way too slow to wake up and take action because they are deeeeeeeeeply asleep. So, let’s wake them up!

Let’s hope Bill Ryan will drop by this thread as soon as possible and give his opinion about this issue and alert as many people as possible, including all high level insiders that Project Camelot may be in contact with.

Let’s also hope everybody who has a web site or blog will spread this info far and wide ASAP.

[Gnosis5]

Question for Bill Ryan:

Did you at any time during your personal processing
experience outside interference with your objective
to remove yourself from the Matrix? One friend of
mine who is getting some "auditing" encountered an
AI setup located somewhere out west.

In my case, my sessions were starting to run "funny"
and I spotted a location in Colorado and there was a
large screen with a picture of me at the time I was in
session and I heard some alarms going off and one fella
got to work in front of a "control panel". There seemed
to be some machine that enabled what was termed "time shifting".
I took a look around the facility before we ended session.

What threat do we pose to them that would make them act so?

cheers
Gnosis

[eleni]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Question for Bill Ryan:

Did you at any time during your personal processing
experience outside interference with your objective
to remove yourself from the Matrix? One friend of
mine who is getting some "auditing" encountered an
AI setup located somewhere out west.

In my case, my sessions were starting to run "funny"
and I spotted a location in Colorado and there was a
large screen with a picture of me at the time I was in
session and I heard some alarms going off and one fella
got to work in front of a "control panel". There seemed
to be some machine that enabled what was termed "time shifting".
I took a look around the facility before we ended session.

What threat do we pose to them that would make them act so?

cheers
Gnosis

Interesting. I live on CO. It's my feeling the system is hyperdimensional and wouldn't need to be located in this physical plane. Maybe Bill can explain a bit more.

Perhaps there are monitors that keep watch at bases around the globe and since CO is a major area of network the main US one could be here?

There is one I am told operating out of Paraguay.

[Tali]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFTM36HuZXU [video removed by the user]

Tali Vas Anonymous

[Derek]

Bill, whats your opinion of Maxamillion de Lafayette?

[Marcus Sparacio]

You can call me Marc, people call me Armake. I work in NewYork for the NYPD as a PAA. I just want to let Bill know that you can find me on You-tube under Boxed Entertainment 21.

I have a huge following in the gaming community and am considered one of the best VG reviewers about, I am here because as you saw you managed to do dumbass thing by pissing off Kinsue and even though we have our differences, I will state on record that I went out with Heather Anderson for a three weeks, but the long distance thing screwed it up, she had issues and yeah she stayed with Ben and his wife for a good while. Now I am not into aliens and conspiracy **** but she was ****ing convincing, so you better do some real detective work before you dis a guy. and if Ben wont give you her name I will it was Joanie Anders she was a MD, I saw Bens post and thought **** it, give you score on whats what.

http://www.youtube.com/user/boxedent...1?blend=1&ob=4

go to page 152 on my comments you'll see ReaperT2000 one of Joanie's alias names. I still called her heather for her finger quote security. and yeah she was pregnant and no I,m not ****ing talking to you about that.

for a real picture of Joanie look here, I'm done! Now do what you should have from the giddy up! But here's a tip our detectives use get to know a guy before you judge him. I'll keep anonymous off your back, for now.

http://www.youtube.com/user/HeatherjjAnderson989

Marco

[K626]

Hi Bill!

I was very impressed with your Icke interview and you seem to have a good instinct for picking up the Ickeisms..

Tell me how did his energy field feel to you?

[AnarChrist]

Hey Bill.

My question is this;

I noticed initially your response to the Noway Lights on P.C. was along the lines of 'sorry guys, but it really is just a mis-fired russian missle' then a time later, without any correction to your first response, as say, a newspaper would do, (forgive me if there was a correction noted, i could not find any) you replaced it with the photos and David Wilcock article instead.

My question is, if you can jump from one point of view or opinion and present it on your site to everyone on the web as 'truth' and then jump to a completely contradictory position without any explanation, equally claiming that as truth, how is your version of the truth to be trusted over any other source that purports to have some notion of what said truth may be, regarding anything?

Regardless,

Much Respect to you ~*

P.E.A.C.E.

[Kerry Cassidy]

Originally Posted by Marcus Sparacio

You can call me Marc, people call me Armake. I work in NewYork for the NYPD as a PAA. I just want to let Bill know that you can find me on You-tube under Boxed Entertainment 21. ... (edited for complete post see original)

I will state on record that I went out with Heather Anderson for a three weeks, but the long distance thing screwed it up, she had issues and yeah she stayed with Ben and his wife for a good while. Now I am not into aliens and conspiracy **** but she was ****ing convincing, so you better do some real detective work before you dis a guy. and if Ben wont give you her name I will it was Joanie Anders she was a MD, I saw Bens post and thought **** it, give you score on whats what.
http://www.youtube.com/user/HeatherjjAnderson989

Marco

LETTER TO Marco and the WAY of Camelot,

Marco: Please feel free to contact me anytime. My skype name is 'snowjaguar'.

I do not share Bill Ryan's point of view on the Heather material or with regard to Ben. I am disappointed and astonished that Bill would publicly post regarding someone who has come to us as a whistle blower regardless of his view of the material. This is not how Camelot operates. It is not our mission.

We are not the judge and jury or the grand inquisitor... Although we vet our witnesses to whatever degree possible, considering the depth of the subject matter and the seriousness (by the way), what is MOST IMPORTANT is that the information gets out to the public so that they may decide what resonates and what does not. Getting the truth out in whatever form we find it is our mission.

As we move into 4th Density or the wave, determining what is true and what is not will become more and more difficult. If you are not already aware, records, badges and degrees can be falsified by the secret gov in whatever way they wish... Relying on old science and consensus reality will not reveal the true nature of what it means to be human. It never has and never will. This is only more true as we move out of this level.

We create our reality more and more as we own the fact of our ability to create. As creators reality becomes more and more malleable. Keep this in mind. You decide what you want to believe and what it is you know. The act of KNOWING is a psychic act. If you wish to know you must use more senses than the standard six. This much is obvious. You must go beyond the confines of what you have been told are your limits. The truth is, you have no limits. Our potential is unlimited. This is the greatest secret.

The Heather material rings true for me. However, this does not mean that all of it is accurate nor does it mean that everything Ben says is true. It means that I am listening and I will continue to listen. This is what matters.

Most of all, I listen to the heart. I wish to know first and foremost what the person's heart is saying to me. The rest may fluctuate. In Ben's case I listen to his heart.

Every whistleblower we have has spoken truths and untruths. In some cases they know they are lying (when they do so). In most cases they believe what they are telling us. This is the nature of what it means to be a whistleblower in THE MATRIX.... Nothing will contain all truth. Everything is subject to the laws of the matrix. To being bent and misconstrued by the nature of how we view 'through a glass darkly".... What is most true is that our perceptions are widening and deepening. We are learning more and more of what this reality is really made of... of the deceptions we have been party to... We have both been the deceiver and the deceived. Keep this in mind when listening to anyone let alone a whistleblower.

Whistleblowers are often complex, at one point or another mind controlled and manipulated. Is it so strange that their stories may contain inconsistencies? Not at all. But I digress. The bottom line here is that Whistleblowers who come to us to share their stories do so in trust that we will only release what they ask us to release. And that is an act of trust.

Camelot is in the midst of a site reorganization. Whereas, Bill Ryan and myself agree on many things, we do not see eye to eye on the above and other matters. In the coming days we will be revising our site to allow for us each to speak our minds in two blogs (instead of one) and two separate areas where we will continue to operate Camelot both together and apart. We will continue to work together but will also be investigating areas of our own special interests which in some cases the other person may not share. I have a great deal of love and respect for Bill Ryan. As we have grown over the years sharing the Camelot journey has often been a real adventure. Our differences have worked to maintain our balanced approach to this massively complex arena we are all a part of... It has now become necessary to expand our site to allow for the growing difference in our approach and views.

Please be patient with us as we redesign the larger site to allow for this to take place.

In the meantime, whistle blowers should contact us separately at either, bill@projectcamelot.org or kerry@projectcamelot.org in order to maintain the integrity of our work.

Blessings to all and above all and I encourage you to listen to the wisdom in your hearts,

Kerry

[Kerry Cassidy]

Originally Posted by kerry cassidy

letter to marco and the way of camelot,

marco: Please feel free to contact me anytime. My skype name is 'snowjaguar'.
I do not share bill ryan's point of view on the heather material or with regard to ben. I am disappointed and astonished that bill would publicly post regarding someone who has come to us as a whistle blower regardless of his view of the material. This is not how camelot operates. It is not our mission.

full heather pdf attached let the world decide...

[seeingterra]

Originally Posted by Kerry Cassidy

full heather pdf attached let the world decide...

In light of this new information I need to review this case again and I withdraw any conclusions I have previously made regarding this subject in light of this new previously unknown information (unknown to me) that Kerry has presented.

I can understand why this issue has been raised to question though, but this will be worth looking further into with a non prejudged view.

Thanks Kerry

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Thank Kerry for your open arms to hearing the Truth regarding this entire scenario and your decision to allow him back on the forum.

I do not blame Bill or anyone for that matter on how all this went down, it is getting increasingly difficult to weed out Truth from falsehoods and we, the human race, are doing our very best as we are navigating different frequencies and dimensions sometimes moment to moment during this shift.

I had likened this story to the blind men and the elephant each one 'seeing' a different part of the elephant and convinced the part they were feeling was the reality of the animal....well I must have gotten the ass end because that is precisely what I am feeling like right now!

My apologies to Ben for not believing his story, and to his loyal friends who have frequented Avalon on his behalf.

Also to Carol and mntruthseeker for their unwitting belief in Ben.

Truth

[qbeac]

Originally Posted by Kerry Cassidy

LETTER TO Marco and the WAY of Camelot (...) I do not share Bill Ryan's point of view on the Heather material or with regard to Ben............

Hi Kerry, thanks for your open letter about that subject. I was going to ask what the “Heather material” is all about, but I see you have already posted a pdf with further info about it, so, thanks again.

Also, could somebody please explain who “Ben” and “Marco” are? Thanks.

[mntruthseeker]

Kerry,
You are beautiful and thank you for opening your heart

I am glad I came in tonight and seen what you have written. I know I am not any big fan but the reason I got so angry is something inside of me told me that Kin's story was true. I was told to come and read your words.

I have a major problem with people making rash judgements and in the field that I did for a living it was one I seen alot of .

Thank you for putting the story out here.

[Sideshow Shaman]

The magenta text is a direct threat.
Not unusual coming from a bully with a badge, but should should this be allowed on the forum?

Originally Posted by Marcus Sparacio

You can call me Marc, people call me Armake. I work in NewYork for the NYPD as a PAA.
...
I'm done! Now do what you should have from the giddy up! But here's a tip our detectives use get to know a guy before you judge him. I'll keep anonymous off your back, for now.

Marco

[Linda]

I am coming in late to this giant drama, but I went to Marco's channel as he suggested and started at page 150 to about 155 to see her posts.

Heather posted the below...among other many heated comments to Marco.

I am not pleased with how Bill is handling this issue.
His last post allowing the "mods" to decide is insulting to Kerry and to us.
We, the public are not children and can make up our own minds once we see ALL the evidence.
Just my 2 cents.

One of her posts:

I have not problem with my belief system, and I do admit openly to my Alien experiences,
you should really speak to Ben who do you think woke me up to begin with and showed me the way.

[lightblue]

You can call me Marc, people call me Armake. I work in NewYork for the NYPD as a PAA. I just want to let Bill know that you can find me on You-tube under Boxed Entertainment 21.

I have a huge following in the gaming community and am considered one of the best VG reviewers about, I am here because as you saw you managed to do dumbass thing by pissing off Kinsue and even though we have our differences, I will state on record that I went out with Heather Anderson for a three weeks, but the long distance thing screwed it up, she had issues and yeah she stayed with Ben and his wife for a good while. Now I am not into aliens and conspiracy **** but she was ****ing convincing, so you better do some real detective work before you dis a guy. and if Ben wont give you her name I will it was Joanie Anders she was a MD, I saw Bens post and thought **** it, give you score on whats what.

http://www.youtube.com/user/boxedent...1?blend=1&ob=4

go to page 152 on my comments you'll see ReaperT2000 one of Joanie's alias names. I still called her heather for her finger quote security. and yeah she was pregnant and no I,m not ****ing talking to you about that.

for a real picture of Joanie look here, I'm done! Now do what you should have from the giddy up! But here's a tip our detectives use get to know a guy before you judge him. I'll keep anonymous off your back, for now.

http://www.youtube.com/user/HeatherjjAnderson989

Marco

marcus sparacio says he's one of the NYPD...an overconfident one, it transpires.

the family name sparacio (of sicilian origin) is fairly rare in the states - some 35.000 or less. his surnema happens to handsomely tie in with his projected personality - sparacio comes from SPARARE = to FIRE (a shot gun); to HIT; also EXAGGERATE...

he may be using his real name, if not, he is saying more..the whole affair sounds a special war against avalon.. not a case to get polarised

best wishes l

[GaiaLove]

Originally Posted by Kerry Cassidy

MODERATORS PLEASE UN BAN KINSUEMEI2 -- this member has been banned for no good reason. I object and I request that he be reinstated.

Kerry Cassidy
Co-Founder
Project Camelot and Project Avalon

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Dear All,

in the next few hours the mods will receive more written messages from 'Heather' in the form of a compilation of Avalon PMs and Facebook messages.

Let's see if those were dictated, too.

When the mods have all the available information, they will make the call about whether Ben was a hoaxer.

This is what's at stake - because he posted this information on his thread. It's not just dragging the Avalon Forum into Camelot's business. It IS Avalon's business.

If the mods decide he was a hoaxer, then he should be banned - in my strong opinion.

If he was not a hoaxer, then he should be reinstated.

...

When all the information about 'Heather' is available, it'll be posted for everyone to see.

My best wishes to all, Bill

On behalf of the Avalon moderators I am posting this reply to our beloved founders and membership.
We have removed the ban on kinsuemie2 for the moment. This is not a response to Kerrys request
but a decision made by us as the first move towards uncovering the truth of this matter and setting it right.

We are reviewing the evidence that has been presented to us and will decide on the matter in the very near future.

We act only with the best interest of Avalon and its members.
In the meantime this and any other related threads will remain closed.

Thank you for your understanding

The Project Avalon Moderating Team




-- This Thread is Reopened --

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Dear All,

in the next few hours the mods will receive more written messages from 'Heather' in the form of a compilation of Avalon PMs and Facebook messages.

Let's see if those were dictated, too.

When the mods have all the available information, they will make the call about whether Kinsuemei2 was a hoaxer.

This is what's at stake - because he posted this information on his thread. It's not just dragging the Avalon Forum into Camelot's business. It IS Avalon's business.

If the mods decide he was a hoaxer, then he should be banned - in my strong opinion.

If he was not a hoaxer, then he should be reinstated.

I suggest that at this stage the evidence (not including the new written material we've not seen) is so overwhelming that not all these things can be true...

1) Heather was real
2) Heather was an MD
3) Heather was a black projects whistleblower

... that the onus is on Kinsuemei to show that the above items ARE true. He has the clear opportunity to do this. I'm waiting.

If she really was an MD, for instance, her name will be on public record.

If she really was killed in a traffic accident, there will be a police report in Berlin. (I can get that, if I know what name and date to request.)

So the ball is in the mods' court on this one. I suggest that what I've tabled above is reasonable.

This interesting drama is the result of both Kerry and myself each caring so much about Camelot's work. Paradoxically, the dissonance here is a product of Camelot's strength.

In Kerry's case, she doesn't want to see someone she regards as a potential whistleblower (assumed as such unless proven otherwise) being hurt and damaged. That is an honorable intention.

In my case, I consider this IS proven (but Kerry doesn't agree with my data evaluation) - and I don't want to see Camelot's reputation suffer by one of us believing and posting false information which (if so) can only damage the platform we provide for the REAL whistleblowers out there. That's honorable as well.

It's this latter point which is really what this is all about. We're talking about how Camelot does due diligence on the information we receive. And that's pretty important.

When all the information about 'Heather' is available, it'll be posted for everyone to see.

My best wishes to all, Bill

The moderators have declined to become involved at this level. I posted, with permission, the letters I received from Ben, so that his side could be heard by the forum members. Kinsuemei2 has asked for his membership to be removed as he no longer wants to be involved in this. Bill Ryan has issued an apology to Ben, and given a little more information at http://projectcamelot.org

http://projectcamelot.org/

A personal note about the Heather Anderson affair:

The document that Kerry made available for public scrutiny is a poor one, written by someone with an educational level inconsistent with that required of an insider scientist of any description.

On the Project Avalon Forum, Heather refers to herself as "Dr Anderson", and another member (Marco) who claims he knew her, refers to her as an MD (i.e. a medical doctor). I very, very much doubt that this is true.

Identical repeated typos - e.g. SOLIDER for 'soldier' - occur in Ben Murphy's writing. Ben Murphy is the Project Avalon member, named in the published PDF, who claims that Heather was a real person whom he knew, and who, frightened and on the run, stayed with him and his wife for a while.

E-mails from both Ben and Heather have identical IP addresses. However, Ben explains this by saying that all Heather's messages were dictated by her to him. He also states that this is the reason the same dyslexic mistakes (SOLIDER, etc) occur in both his writing and hers.

When all the above became clear, I accused Ben of hoaxing the material, and banned him from the Project Avalon forum. I apologize to him here as there was not enough evidence - and more on the subject of evidence follows below - to justify a definite ban as a hoaxer.

I was angry that Camelot was being played. Indeed, Heather does seem to have been a real person. Camelot may indeed be being played, but not by Ben. A number of people are working quite hard on getting to the bottom of this little tangle on the grounds that it's just possible that what emerges might be important and valuable. For instance, we've recently heard that Heather is not dead after all, but has recently sent a message stating that she is in Strasbourg.

In the meantime, my strong personal opinion is that this is a waste of Camelot's time, and that we should focus on real whistleblowers (and real people) with provenance who are able to produce compelling evidence to support their claims. It's unfortunate that any of this reached the public. At best, it's a distraction. At worst, this is a sting operation against Project Camelot with the intention of discrediting our research.

In my view, those following our work expect us to apply intelligent due diligence to cross-check information that comes our way before publication. Also in my view, we have a duty of responsibility as gatekeepers, respected and followed by tens of thousands of people worldwide, to check the provenance of the information we record and report as carefully as possible while working in an arena which is awash with accidental and deliberate disinformation. It's my personal commitment to do good, solid research while remaining open to genuinely new and startling information - because the universe, as Sir Arthur Eddington famously stated, is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose.

It's easy to make mistakes, or to be fooled by those with compelling cover stories and resources to back them up. I commend Kerry for her unstinting support for whistleblowers of every kind - and there are many kinds. We don't always get it right, and have both made mistakes. The nature of our work over the last three and a half years would have required one to be superhuman not to have been on a learning curve.

Our learning continues. We're pledged to share our journey with our readers and viewers. Kerry and I are united in our passion for the truth, and are both committed to giving our best to help the world become a better place through the free flow of information that has been withheld from the public by those who wish to control us for reasons of their own.

--Bill

[concerned square]

Hi Bill
I've just finished watching the marcel messing interview, it's just brilliant beyond words. Thank you for getting it to us.