ST CLAIR, Deagle, HPH, looking glass, and "hawkeye" all of them "off"

[raulduke]

ST CLAIR, Deagle, HPH, looking glass, and "hawkeye" all of them "off"

More evidence of their humanity, and their information sources likely being rooted in no more than humanity, as we are all fallable, and capable of "shifting timelines" w/ very simple actions (butterfly effect/chaos theory).

People like St. Clair, Deagle, and Burisch are very interesting individuals, but regardless of what Deagle would like us to believe, they are not "prophets" imho.

"Prophet" implies access to a higher intelligence/divinity than the rest of us are capable of.
As far as Deagle goes and to some extent St. Clair as well, their egos are at the forefront of their information, which does not help their overall message imo.
Burisch's ideas and informationis are a bit different, as it is more scientific in nature and as such, susceptible to human error. But those problems are easier to define and address than the message of a "prophet".

As far as HPH goes, it seems that (what I've heard from Clif at least) that the events that they have predicted/been looking for, are too subtle to be noticed en masse. Interesting, but certainly unconvincing form my perspective.

Good thread Superman...errr...Clark.

[Anchor]

Do you honestly see a world in which it is unnecessary to make basic preparations for "urban inconveniences" ? I agree for the most part that TEOTWAWKI (not including ascension) doesnt seem all that likely, but still getting off grid still seems to me a worthy goal.

I am not changing my plans - and have not since I joined Avalon no matter how much doom and gloom has been talked.

A..

[dutchie]

KentI started on this site not to long ago and let me tell you about the sleepless nites i've had....................I have learned more from the people on this forum than from the interveiws.Trust our own instinct isn't that what they do??????Fear is powerful; felt it many times in here

[clarkkent]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Do you honestly see a world in which it is unnecessary to make basic preparations for "urban inconveniences" ? I agree for the most part that TEOTWAWKI (not including ascension) doesnt seem all that likely, but still getting off grid still seems to me a worthy goal.

I am not changing my plans - and have not since I joined Avalon no matter how much doom and gloom has been talked.

A..

in my post i said we all know their WILL be changes --- to be clear i dont think the next decade will be a walk in the park , people need to prepare however they can physically and more important spiritually.

the intent of this thread was to point out that camelot/avalon seems geared towards focusing on all these people's alarming predictions that specifically gives time frames for horrible things. deagle even recommends target practice with guns amongst his nuclear holocaust warnings (keep in mind the real karmic/spirituality hypocrisy is often revealed in such statements...i doubt his "most high god" would recommend AK-47's)

take a look at camelot's older "state of the world" specifically in september, all of "hawkeye's" material is absolutely nightmarish and people eat it up and speculate endlessly, going over every horrible detail then feeding off the fear in the forums.

how many times have you seen people posting about how FEMA is going to come cart you away? how many threads have been started here with fearful scary material? even naomi wolf who i totally respect was wrong when she said a military coup was in effect and they wouldnt let an election happen, the point is none of us know exactly how things will unfold, even the so called experts. (and look how these "experts" react or talk their way out of the false predictions i.e. st clair)

well...no FEMA, no martial law, i still have my job, october is done and gone, i voted for obama, he won and every "phrophet" or doom prediction certainly hasnt happened. i didnt get taken out of my room at 4am because im a dissident who goes to kooky sites.

ask yourself how much energy has been wasted with all these wrong predictions? cant we just know that YES we should be prepared for upheavals, be what they may---but lets not move out of LA because Deagle says he sees Terminator 2 mushroom clouds. or hear a bit of doom-y predictions then go search youtube for some scary videos about it and post it here with dire warnings.... do you see what im saying? its pointless and counterproductive.

im just saying lets all take a big breath and realize that these "predictions" bill and kerry uncover from whistleblowers and prophets/astrologers are just that--- and if anything they are 95% very wrong, so lets not give so much energy to them.


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[traite]

Crakin' thread me thinks.

One thing that I have noticed however in some of the replies is the slightly dogmatic views of individuals who should be more enlightened. OK so alternate timelines ARE real in one persons world but are NOT in mine, or help from our friends above IS probable in someone elses world but is NOT probable in mine.
How about we try some simple General Semantics like MAYBE something is a certain way in someone elses life but is NOT in mine. That way we might be able to avoid the somewhat hostile replies that I have noticed not only in this thread but in others across the forum.
Maybe it is just me and the way that I see things and no one else sees it that way but then again maybe no 2 people see or perceive the world in the same way.
Off to lunch now

Peace and Love to all.

[StClair]

Dear Friends

The intent will be proven beyond reproach

Those who have seriously studied LIGHT-SEEDS understand exactly the method at work in my proceedings. They know what the "prediction" was in reality all about.

Had I predicted like everyone else that Ob.. would be "President" of the "USA" - then yes indeed I would agree that the people who in this thread spoke against my integrity could say that I predicted gloom and doom, as you will soon see it ensue as a consequence of his being appointed to the office by his handlers who switched the vote.

I am sure that by now you have figured out who his handlers are. Meet the new boss, same as old boss, ok. McCain was as a matter of fact elected. He will however not be in office now. He will wait and see how the rest of the multi-pronged prediction works out at http://Light-Seeds.com/Palin.html





I have never promoted fear.

Do not ever misunderstand again, or underestimate, the way in which my sources and I work. There are many things I did NOT elaborate on the videos and the audios with Camelot over the past two years, in order to protect my sources, and to keep things simple, upbeat, constructive, and precisely outside of gloom and doom.

The one thing no one will ever accuse me of is to predict gloom and doom. I have shown solutions all the way through the written work I published instead. Read Light-Seeds and it speaks volumes for itself.

In this Neptunian haze of misunderstood concepts and constant global mass brain washing... most or many people around the world (billions) have mistaken their realities, and timelines yes, and truly believed in the words "hope, change" etc. without having the faintest clue who the person was/is who drummed in these void of meaning "memes" for over a year.

You are about to find out who he really is.

You will see in time that my intent will be proven correct, as well as beyond reproach. I am very proud to have resisted the temptation of predicting what my sources told me was planned to see happen. I d rather have one "wrong" prediction than the responsibility of human lives on my resume.

Don't ever mistake an act of high magic for a primitive prediction.

Read LIGHT-SEEDS. I am FREE of the consequences of the action that happened on November 5th because i refused to attach my energy to the event. This was for you to and for Camelot to find out. I never told anyone I am a prophet, Kerry and Bill can attest to that. All I did was help some friends figure out what is relevant to know in the times we live in to create better lives.



((By the way, the guy is not yet in his office. And there are a few more proceedings in the works until then. And after that time, those who predicted his being in office can have the entire responsibility for the prediction - with all that it will entail. And those of you who secretely wished and hoped he would be in office will experience the same: Full responsibility of all the consequences thereafter.))


Think very carefully about the concept of what I explained in the audio of 5 November, and in this post in answer to all, and now new in this link about the hidden mirror. Take it to heart. It is not for the faint-hearted.

Hiding The Obsidian Mirror

I was always happy to be of assistance and constructive help to Kerry and Bill. They know they can count on my advice if they wish it, for free. I advised in September 2006 and in May 2008 again, to buy gold. I hope they did it, and I trust you did it too.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=3364 advisory thread



If you understood the above and have read the Hidden Obsidian Mirror web site page, you might also want to enjoy this NEW thread, initiated by my friend Zynox at my zone - whom I had the great fortune to meet here.


See: Transformations in Spirit and
Transcending the Current Economy Trap
http://stclairzone.ning.com/forum/to...-in-spirit-and



Peace
Michael St.Clair

[Triaxis]

Good thing they are off too. Otherwise, we would all be running around, slingshots in hand with gold coins clinking in our pockets, protecting our bunkers filled with canned food!

The Mad Max scenario espoused by some is too far fetched. The world economy might retract a bit, but that will probably be the extent of the problems.

When walking through the forest, do you admire the trees, watch the birds fly and feel the breeze rubbing against your cheek? Or do you look out for snakes, spiders and grass that might make your legs itchy?

[andromeda]

Predicting the future is always tricky because the mass conscioussness of humanity can flick timelines in seconds...The question worth making is which kind of timeline we want to choose?

Do we want harmony and peace among all people?
Do we want prosperity and abundance for all people?
Do we want wisdom and unconditional love to be the beacons that make us transit to a civilization which is truly "golden" and equal for all?

Then we can start by doing our bit from within, loving ourselves unconditionally some inspiration here http://www.kindnet.co.uk/articles/un...onal_love.html

and doing all that we can within our own lives to live a wise, kind and enlighted life one step at the time, just baby steps...

Big changes start with a smile and sincere soul searching on why we are here and what we can do at individual level to make it the best of it all.

Looking inside it is always more effective than looking outside for answers, here there is another inspirational article

http://www.kindnet.co.uk/articles/2012_update.html

Much love

[Allie]

Well said, ClarkKent

There is another prediction that I don't think you've mentioned that didn't happen....the '30-day' warning applicable to the UK which was supposed to cover October.

With regard to the financial crisis, I read that particular prediction two years ago in a book I think was already a few years old. I'm aware that it's in a few books / internet sites relating to Ascended Masters Over here in the UK, there's been a noted economist warning about it for years, too. As mentioned in an earlier post - you didn't really need a crystal ball to know that was coming.

[clarkkent]

Originally Posted by Allie

Well said, ClarkKent

There is another prediction that I don't think you've mentioned that didn't happen....the '30-day' warning applicable to the UK which was supposed to cover October.

With regard to the financial crisis, I read that particular prediction two years ago in a book I think was already a few years old. I'm aware that it's in a few books / internet sites relating to Ascended Masters Over here in the UK, there's been a noted economist warning about it for years, too. As mentioned in an earlier post - you didn't really need a crystal ball to know that was coming.

indeed look up any "fiat" economy throughout history and you can see they always collapse with great upheaval and something new takes its place. Fiat economies fail. period.


ps- thanks to all the thoughtful calm folks posting in this thread...good to see you all are here.

[Jack]

Excelent post Clark, you hit the nail on the head.

And ladies and gentlemen, let me just tell you. This 'doom and gloom' is here for a reason. How did houdini make an elephant disapear? Misdirection.

We are currently undergoing a massive disinformation campaign which is solely in place to distract us from the evolutionary progress of planet earth and the concsiousness which resides here.

Fear makes people agitated, agitated people make bad decisions. Bad decisions make bad karma, bad karma holds us back and keeps us stuck in our incarnational cycle on planet earth and prevents us from seeing the true reality of things.

David Wilcock, Dannion Brinkley, Gregg Braden, Drunvalo Melchizedek amongst others are some of the most inteligent educators on our planet today. And each one of them is right on the mark with the true reality of our situation, yet they barely even get a mention here. Im absolutely dumbfounded by this. People would prefer fearfull dramatic lies over the awesome truth.

I will just say one thing, people, stop spreading fear on this forum. The reality of our situation is as bright as we are capable of understanding it. Many here are the architechts of their own 'doom' simply because they recognise nothing else.

We are undergoing a profound change in human consiousness and the gravity of this cannot be explained in mere words. Fear will bring you just that, something to fear.

Open yourselves to the true reality of things and follow your joy.

If you follow your joy and your love you will find love and joy.
If you follow your fear and your anger you will find just that.

Namaste

[Allie]

Me, too Well said, again, TimeIsShort

[Malletzky]

Thanks to clarkkent first for bringing this up.

I would totaly agree, and as I already said in my previous posts, there's no need to fear of anything.
We're all on our own path, right here and right now. So we shouldn't just blindly believe to those "whistleblowers", prophets, just name it...All we have to do is to find our thruth inside of us. With each decision we change our timeline.

As to some of the named people here, I couldn't tell why they preach doom & gloom. It's their own right.

But I surely took some time and studied St. Clair and his work.
I believe he knows much more then he's telling in his interviews.
I guess he really have an access to another dimensional planes or timelines, and what he see there is what he tells us. By I have a strong feeling he withheld some informations. What purpose for? Profit? Gear? Fear?

But this timeline is surely not my timeline.

If he's on a spiritual path, why would he advising "good" clients to buy gold, silver, why would he advise them (and us) to move to a safer zone?
The only conclusion is, these people are more on a material path. And they maybe know what's comming in their own timelines, to which they have an access to!

Well thanks for their good intentions, realy. But do it better! Do it by not seeding fear, doom & gloom here!
Do it by seeding love, do it by giving solutions for every human soul on this planet. Not only for the "choosen" one!

By the way, I like people who're on a spiritual path. And I consider DW for example to be one of those. As well as many other here!!!!

Thanks for that!!!

[Triaxis]

Originally Posted by vega

The neocon nazis and the zionists are running a small time sick side show destined for the dustbin of history.

Without darkness their can be no light......

I actually think their is a beautiful balance of positive and negative energy at this forum. Well, perhaps a little more negative than positive - that's why i've decided to post some positive comment here to help level out the scales a little

[becky]

Question: What is the difference between awareness of and discussion of a potentially bad situation and actual fear mongering doom and gloom?

I am sincere here. Because I kind of thought the reason most of us were drawn to this forum was because we agree that the world that we are presented with on CNN is not our actual world (or only sort of) and that Bill and Kerry have pulled together some interesting pieces of another puzzle.

ANyone get what I'm asking? I'm not sure I do.

Back to my coffee.

[Peer]

I think that with "the end of time" is meant: The end of the illusion called "time"
That means that there will exist no more time for the ones that see through the illusion we now call time.
That of course will have immence consequences for this 3D world if the number of people becomes bigger and bigger reaching a critical point that, as we all know will start influencing and changing everything around it.

Remember how Jazz changed the world and cars and flower-power.

The ones seeing through the illusion will live in the NOW.
The ones living in the now will see all timelines and will be able to live them if they so choose.
I can think of a horrible scenario that you will be forced to live them all but I can't see anything to cause that (although that could be exactly what happens in the moment of your death).

Speaking of timelines and Hillary Clinton:
Who do you think the guy in the background is?

[Harper]

Well done superman, quite right, even if you resist this sort of information it does still go in somewhere. I have mentioned on other threads that I think there is a mis-understanding around around a few related issues, if folks really understood mass consciousness they would not want to be involved with it. This is an individual evolution and each person must look to themselves.

also and I know I wont be popular but there wont be any kind of ascension, in my opinion- that seems like such a superior look at what it is that we are supposed to be doing - dropping the ego which has caused all this, class, castes, greed, money etc... , the idea that you could chop down a living ancient forest (a giant living being to all intents and purposes) for profit. I need not continue to list the horrible things that humans have done to each other and to the planet for you to understand that it is basically perceived superiority and the quest for power (ego) that has created this mess the world is in.

I'm not sure the timeline thing is as people feel it is at the moment, the timeline doesn't change. YOU change and you move. For some people it will feel like a big shift for others perhaps you may wake up in the morning and not notice. We are living in an extended moment set up for this possible shift to include as many as possible.

Some people are ready for another type of experience and they will move and others who are still interested in the ego will remain on another path, but are not doomed either however it will be just more of the same.

Its not sexy, its not dramatic and like a tv show, its about being aware and watching yourself to see how much you do actually work from ego, reacting instead of acting. There isnt going to be a close encounters moment in my opinion, why would they let us off this planet when the first thing someone will think of is how can we mine the moon or what can we TAKE FROM MARS TO SELL. NOPE not gonna work.

There are so few people on the earth who are getting real universal information and the rest are just talking to dead people and they are just like us and some are good and some are not.

take it easy

[Tricia]

Thank God you posted this thread Clark Kent and had the guts to say what lots of people were thinking. I was so disappointed when I heard the short interview of Nov 5th with St Clair. It seems like people are actually disappointed that no earth shattering disasters have come to pass.

I have to admit that I did get caught up in this whole doomsday scenario until I thought my head would explode. But as October came and went and there were so many conflicting scenarios I realized my life and my future are what I make them. I thought that was really the point of taking in all this information – to break free and awaken to our true potential, to create a better world - to live beyond the illusion of the material world. You cannot do that while fixated on doom and gloom and fear - that only contributes to more fear and negativity and keeps you locked into the "game".

TimeIsShort and Harper what you say is so right:

We are undergoing a profound change in human consiousness and the gravity of this cannot be explained in mere words. Fear will bring you just that, something to fear.

Open yourselves to the true reality of things and follow your joy.

If you follow your joy and your love you will find love and joy.
If you follow your fear and your anger you will find just that.

For some people it will feel like a big shift for others perhaps you may wake up in the morning and not notice. We are living in an extended moment set up for this possible shift to include as many as possible.

Some people are ready for another type of experience and they will move and others who are still interested in the ego will remain on another path, but are not doomed either however it will be just more of the same.

There are so few people on the earth who are getting real universal information and the rest are just talking to dead people and they are just like us and some are good and some are not.

So for me I am clearing my head of all these predictions future timelines and remembering my life and my world are what I choose to Create..............

[yikes!]

If you checked your 401k in August and Today

You would be thankful you were aware of George Green's Dow 8500, Ben Fulfords Sep 30th Finanical Meltdown and HPH Rocky October predictions.

To me they were all spot on.

[JohnWdoe]

Everyone is looking at the dreaded "Illuminati" or some insider leaking information about chemtrails,

their has been 3 things i have only stuck to and they are - massive storms,economic collapse,bioterrorism.

I remember when Ike hit and i was reading about some stupid theory and it hit me... "christ im wasting my time on this ****" when the reality of the situation is lighting over head.

October 7th i never believed, October 14th i never bought into, John Titor and his "time machine" i never chewed, but i must admit i did gnaw on some New Age concepts then got the hell out quick! hell i almost lost my sanity...

Go do other things besides research, go enjoy yourself.

[burgundia]

I believe that this is our thoughts and free will that can change the course of events. Positive thinking creates positive reality. I am not disappointed that all black scenarios haven't come true. We received so many warnings of the impending danger that we've managed to change sth to prevent calamities from occurring. And who knows, maybe a lot is thanks to us here.

[Magii]

Originally Posted by burgundia

I believe that this is our thoughts and free will that can change the course of events. Positive thinking creates positive reality. I am not disappointed that all black scenarios haven't come true. We received so many warnings of the impending danger that we've managed to change sth to prevent calamities from occurring. And who knows, maybe a lot is thanks to us here.

Did you see the Mega event @ China Olympics ?

You haD Most of the Earths Population .. at the Beginning / Ending Ceromonies all focused together

on Something Positive + Beautiful ... One World, One Family

[micjer]

Thanks clark for starting this thread.

It is just the topic I was looking for. Obviously by the responses many others needed it also.

After all of the predictions that did not come true, it makes you wonder if we as truth seekers are going down the wrong path.

Yet as wrong as the predictions were, there is still chemtrails appearing over head.(again this morning) There is still HAARP in Alaska that is operating. There are still millions of plastic caskets in Georgia in that field. etc etc

As wrong as they were, I still know somethin ain't right out there!!!!


P.S.
I agree that David Wilcock still seems to rise to the top.(not saying I agree 100% with everything he says)

[mntruthseeker]

I for one am glad they were wrong on all accounts.

I am not going to put the blame solely on those two people though. It was plastered all over the net, anyplace you went. It makes me wonder if it was all a trick but inside I know that it wasn't, it was more like wishful hoping.

As far as martial law being imposed and all of the above not happening, how about we just thank the 8 million Asians mafia members (or what ever they call themselfs) that Benjamin Fulford told us about back in July. I honestly feel that they made alot of the changes happened along with our alien friends and all of us here across the world. People just let them know we are not backing down to them.

Well now that makes me sound tough but I am not, I was scared shift-less.....

I read that over 1 million people were "misplaced" in Africa last week alone. How sad.... All of the wonderful energy applied to an Obama win now needs to be focused big time on African and Afganistan. Enough is Enough and I wish this had all ended yesterday

Peace & Love to all

Vickie

[mudra]

I appreciate your thread Clarkkent,

We create our own reality here and now .
From finding peace within we can find peace without.
Being thrown chaos and fear is also an opportunity to test one's own integrity and balance and to reinforce our spiritual grounds. Preparation in Spirit is where the real challenge lies. There seems sufficient people around this earth that have found their hearts and work from there to allow this planet the safest course possible towards transition.
Let's be gratefull to be on that time line.

Kindness
mudra