The Shift

[Evolution22]

Thank you for clearing that up and your loving post

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by Evolution22

This could be a tough question.

Are drinkers, smokers and drug users going to be able to shift come 2012?

I dont see why a good person wouldn't make the shift just because they drink, smoke or take drugs.
Lets face it we all take drugs whether we like it or not, there is no escape from that, drugs are everywhere, in our food, the water maybe even the air.

Don't worry your place is safe

[micjer]

We judge ourselves. Forget about what the church believes. Just because the pope says we shouldn't drink and smoke does not make it so. He's just a man with his own agenda.

I have read nowhere in this where there are rules and regulations.

Simply whether people are of love and light or of dark and evil. Rest is irrelevant!!

[Shadowstalker]

When you consider that most things are processed to be addictive in our food supply and such, and even to some extent research can be addictive. then you really need to think on that for your self as a whole.

To be honest, in my opinion, so long as you make an assertive and honest attempt to enlighten yourself then one should have no problem. I think it is of the mind as well as the body.

I mean when you stop and think that one is inhaling toxic fumes from filling your gas tank and taking in toxic air from cars and planes over head, what would it mean to not smoke or drink when you work at an airport or refinery..

Just something to ponder

Maybe you should change this thread title to "the Narcotic Shift."

Is this a spiritual question?

The dependency of these substances may be released after the shift. I guess only time will tell. Maybe after the shift, the stress levels will decrease which will mean people will be less likely to do these things.

Hold on... I got to go have a smoke...

[capreycorn]

i think life itself is addicting...hmm

the body being addicted to a drug has no more effect once the mortal shell is left behind. the vibration that will be felt as soon as one is no longer tethered to the physical body, which feels thick as a brick, will outrun any chemical "trip" known to man

when cigarettes aren`t available any more..who`s gonna smoke anyway?

[freekatz]

Originally Posted by Evolution22

This could be a tough question.

Are drinkers, smokers and drug users going to be able to shift come 2012?

Speaking as a reformed addict, I have found that by meditating regularly I am more able to keep the urges under control, this leaves me to believe that the excessive consumption and desire to be oblivious was an attempt to overcome my deep despair over life. If we do shift into a higher level of consciousness I believe this urge will disappear for other "over-indulgers" allowing them to evolve along with everyone else. No reason to punish people because they had gone down the wrong path, at least there was enough awareness there to know there was something wrong in the first place

[Princess Mew Mew]

This might seem off topic but this question has been on my mind all year and I have no answers to this..

If you have silicon breast implants, will this synthetic body modification keep those who have it, from making the shift?

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by Princess Mew Mew

This might seem off topic but this question has been on my mind all year and I have no answers to this..

If you have silicon breast implants, will this synthetic body modification keep those who have it, from making the shift?

Don't worry your body is just a vehicle that gets you around while your here, you'll be fine

PS got any pics?? hehe only joking

[Xhaosis]

The most complex creation in the Universe, is the mind.. I believe at the core of its center is the Sun, and center of our gravity. No matter how much you smoke, or drink, it will remain.. As far as looking into the future thru a dirty mirror, once again. Perhaps it is the ones trying to understand the future that need to drink more and smoke. Note: Worrying so much about something that has not happened yet nor has a logical way of happening without influence and mechanical strides, hinders my thoughts and beliefs in such a notion. Only thing for sure is the here and now. Even that has just slipped past my grasp...

this is not a dress rehearsal, it is life.. If you don't know how to fly this thing, hand me the wheel..

PEACE

[goody8504]

Originally Posted by Princess Mew Mew

This might seem off topic but this question has been on my mind all year and I have no answers to this..

If you have silicon breast implants, will this synthetic body modification keep those who have it, from making the shift?

those who have breast implants made that decision in the past. if they regret it, they won't be left behind because of decision that made in the past because that's history and, thus, irrelevant. what matters is how they feel now, or how they will feel come the end of this cycle rather

[Truth voice 2012]

From what I can see it doesnt really matter what were taking. This ascension thingy seems to be based on our souls experience from the thousands of lifetimes we have lived here. Maybe this is all about us being self-responsible or not. Have we leared our lesson? Whether we can be trusted to behave out amongst the stars and deal with all these new powers we will all have. Maybe sum of us will move to a higher density and some will stay for the more "intense course". Who knows? (cue twilight zone theme tune)

[Mori]

Originally Posted by Evolution22

This could be a tough question.

Are drinkers, smokers and drug users going to be able to shift come 2012?

If we are all connected through spirit ie. Law of One, then we are all high as a kite right now. Do I think I'll make it?

[Sanat]

Nothing external will prevent you from making the shift. All that matters is your level of consciousness or "vibration" as some like to call it. There is a certain limit that needs to be reached in order to "make it".

Many totally negative people are non-drinkers, non-smokers etc. but they will most likely not make it. Many more evovled people still smoke through old habit and many also don't shy away from a good party once in a while. That is no problem. Excessive use of alchohol/drugs is a sign that you are not of a very high vibration and thus you will most likely not make it. But never say never. In these times I see many people who were totally "lost" (drugs/alchohol) suddenly go through profound changes. Remember that many have choosen (in pre-incarnation agreement) to "condense" their remaining heavy density karma into one life in order to "make the shift". Such people often go through a very rough period to "burn off" their lower vibrations before they suddenly ascend very quickly up the ladder of consciousness.

True change comes from the inside and radiate out, and not so much from self-control from "the outside in" allthough it is important to have some of that too. Ascension is not really a "doing", but rather something you allow to happen by remaining open and accepting your lessons and "destiny".

[goody8504]

Originally Posted by Evolution22

This could be a tough question.

Are drinkers, smokers and drug users going to be able to shift come 2012?

unless the drinking, smoking, using, etc makes you less ready to shift, i don't see why this should be a problem. of course, most people who do these things aren't ready to shift anyway. it's not because they do these things that makes them unprepared for the shift, rather they do these things because they're not ready. so it's an affect, not the cause.

personally, i owe my own awakening to using cannabis. without it, i'd probably still be angry and judgemental like i was during my high school years, which was only a few short years ago. smoking cannabis really gave me a new perspective on life and made me much more open-minded to things i never would have considered or taken seriously before. had i not been high when i saw the 2001 disclosure project briefing, i probably wouldn't have given the testimony a second thought. i'm much more easy going and open-minded now.

for the record, i'm not recommending the use of cannabis. i'm simply saying good things can potentially come from it, though once you reach a certain point in your spiritual evolution it is no longer useful, though i may not have reached that point yet (i smoked about a week and a half ago).

[freekatz]

" of course, most people who do these things aren't ready to shift anyway. it's not because they do these things that makes them unprepared for the shift, rather they do these things because they're not ready. so it's an affect, not the cause."

I think the opposite is true, most people who drink and drug to excess do so exactly because they realize something is wrong with the big picture and they are ready to shift but just don't know how.

[goody8504]

Originally Posted by freekatz

" of course, most people who do these things aren't ready to shift anyway. it's not because they do these things that makes them unprepared for the shift, rather they do these things because they're not ready. so it's an affect, not the cause."

I think the opposite is true, most people who drink and drug to excess do so exactly because they realize something is wrong with the big picture and they are ready to shift but just don't know how.

point taken, though i think it probably goes both ways

[Jacqui D]

Lets not forget that the human body is just a vehicle, addiction of substances be it drink, smoking, food or behaviour is a manipulated power by the elite who control this world.
Your soul, spirit is your true self so yes of course you will ascend, the only way you will not is if you have given your will to those who empower you.
If the materialistic ways of this world are everything to you then i think you have no chance, you have to let this go become your real self, become the true spirit which you are.

Now i'll go and have my addiction a good old cuppa lol!!

[freekatz]

Originally Posted by goody8504

point taken, though i think it probably goes both ways

Yes, I'm sure you're right about that. I probably just speak from my own personal experiences. Finding so many people now who also realize there is something very wrong with the world and want to change it is such a wonderful experience and really helps..

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by Evolution22

This could be a tough question.

Are drinkers, smokers and drug users going to be able to shift come 2012?

Originally Posted by Princess Mew Mew

This might seem off topic but this question has been on my mind all year and I have no answers to this..

If you have silicon breast implants, will this synthetic body modification keep
those who have it, from making the shift?

For me at least these are the sort of questions that can only be answered from w/in.

I feel like if anyone told me that I couldn't "ascend" because I smoke herb or have a tatoo, I would disregard them in the same way I do my archaic roman catholic upbringing.

If someone tells me that I have to do "x" in order to achieve "y", I ask if they are espousing first/second/third.....hand information. I've yet to hear first hand info (regarding ascension), so I'll decide for myself.

Those who tell you they know what's best for you may mean well, and I understand seeking advice, but only you can decide what actions you will take, and only you will be responsible for them. Trust yourself.

[Swanny]

Chill out Evolution22 Mew mew was worried and wanted some advice thats all

I hope they do have alcohol in the 5th dimension, I imagine by the time we get there we will need a drink

[micjer]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Chill out Evolution22 Mew mew was worried and wanted some advice thats all

I hope they do have alcohol in the 5th dimension, I imagine by the time we get there we will need a drink

Swanny


I'll get the first round!!!!


Cheers!

[Swanny]

Nice one Micjer
Will be great to sit back on a beach somewhere, enjoy a pint or two and watch the new world go by

[soul]

Hello
It's my first reply on this board
" Are drinkers, smokers and drug users going to be able to shift come 2012"
With that asked ?
What about the people who use, be it Medical MJ for their MS, AID's, Hep-C...
soul

[capreycorn]

this thread has begun with a very popular "way" of seeing things..
but remember..the spirit gets born to "live" to get "moist" to use and abuse or the other way round and to finally leave it all behind. so ghandhi did some fasting ...some may think of it as abuse..others not..using drugs? some see it as an aid to shake off the "rigidity" of society..and "fly"..while others say it`s an attempt to "escape" and think of it as weakness.
wether we consume only bread and water or indulge in luxuries be it food or other consumable substances..it`s all just a part of "being" (growing)


we shouldn`t see things too "narrow"... or as Jeremy Clarkson would say:

"The "public" seems to have bought into this belief that life can, and should, be run without risk, that all accidents are avoidable, and that death is something that only happens to people who eat meat and smoke."
(whatever..be it life or "growth", be it death or not being able to "rise"...you surely get the idea here.)

another factor, which shouldn`t be left out is "electrosmog"!
what effect do "cell-phone" towers and the cell-phones have on our body and spirit.
what about HAARP, Pine Gap, North West Cape?
the atmosphere is full of "noise", which can affect the brain in different ways; now how "bad" could that be..?!.