Calm Down, And Read It.

[NewParadigmGuy]

Originally Posted by Norval

A three page book in the bible called Malachi gives a good summary of the whole book.

Just for fun I went and read the first chapter of Malachi. It seems to be mostly about the LORD complaining about people bringing unacceptable sacrifices to him, such as blind, crippled, and diseased animals.

OK, what does this have to do with ET's?

Also, what kind of God requires animal sacrifices? It seems rather sick to me. Also, supposedly God created the blind or crippled animals; this book makes him seem rather small minded to think less of them.

PS - I was a Christian for years and have read the Bible many times. I cannot relate to your idea at all that the book has anything to do with ETs or really with much of anything that is going on today. It is a collection of stories and myths from thousands of years ago - how could it possibly be relevant to today?

[gordon]

You are so full of crap, Norval. *I KNOW* YOU are full of crap, because the first post on this thread of yours is crap in everyway. I know because I am the *secret witness* of the Kingdom Of God. I really hope that the Mods of the Avalon can close down this thread or, close Norval for causeing such crap. Trust me, you or anybody else does not want to upset the Almighty-Creator God.

*IF* you can Norval, could you PLEASE EXPLAIN in "detail" of what or how you know what you is talking about is not the crap you are talking about? I need to know or not, that you are not one of those idiots who who just talks on and on and endless crap all the time... PLEASE EXPLAIN IN DETAIL AND TRUTH ABOUT WHAT *YOU* SAY... MR NORVAL.

[Mummy_bean]

*secret witness*

eh? Don't TELL everyone!!!!!!!!


Gordon I think more people have their 'crapometer' on that they let on on here...

[gordon]

Mummy, I am the Secret Witness. If only people knew what the "secret" is about. Trust me, it isn't something I can just talk about, because it is a secret for a reason.

[Mummy_bean]

it's ok - I didn't say I didn't believe you.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by gordon

Mummy, I am the Secret Witness. If only people knew what the "secret" is about. Trust me, it isn't something I can just talk about, because it is a secret for a reason.

Well I am a messenger, with a tough draw, I was chosen to break the news to Islam that Ali fulfilled the prophesy of the false prophet...

The 1335 years are over (end of Daniel), I was born 1290 years after it was first worshiped...

If you were chosen by anyone but man, you wouldn't be keeping any secrets at this time.

[Carol]

We are asking all members to follow the guidelines and be respectfull one one another. This holds true in this thread or any other thread.

[MMe M]

So heres what.

Religion is a means of control. All organized religion.

norval you are no more a prophet than anyone else here.

The last translation of the bible came from an emperor with an agenda. He was barbaric and so is the bible. This fact is well documented.

ITS A NOVEL!!! I do not live my life guided by a 2500 year old novel.

Anyone heard of George Carlins thought on religion?

[Norval]

You dishonor me, and yourself, in thinking that this has anything to do with religion.

[MMe M]

No, ive no dishonor. I am true of spirit and deed.

You are engrossed in a novel. There are many texts you will never see as they do not fit the many agenda's of the roman catholics.

[Norval]

Originally Posted by Mummy_bean

Gordon I think more people have their 'crapometer' on that they let on on here...

Yah think? I think mine broke awhile back on some that I have read.

[Mummy_bean]

Norval, you are very hard to read.

[Shechaiyah]

The Bible is some peoples' version of history; and their history involves and invokes YHVH who is called the Sovereign God.

That seems to me to be fairly reasonable, since every planet ought to have leadership.

The Urantia Book serves the same purpose, written by different people trying to describe multi-dimensional, multi-density simultaneous top-down societies as Mandelbrot Sets with coherent and contiguous ethical limits and boundaries.

But to know "God," one must go INWARD, not outward.


Shech--

[Shechaiyah]

Calm down, indeed. SOHO hasn't posted for 36 hours.

The NEXT Rover has been cancelled or postponed.

Within the past few days, a projectile hit Nibiru, but bounced off. See my NASA album.

Fulford says, China and Japan better get with it, to bring the US Not-Sees down, or the whole world will lose.

I see nothing wrong with the entire financial system crashing; it was never logical, sensible nor reasonable in the first place.

But, how do we get human predators and human parasites out of their established leadership roles, without creating more chaos than we can deal with?

I would like to calm down; but I don't have a reason to yet because I can't see light at the end of this tunnel yet. Real leadership is totally lacking except for naomi wolf, cindy mckinney and ben fulford.

Nobody else has any balls. Or they're talking about stashking guns and gold, which is the same old problem, recycled again. Greed.

Shech--

[Love/Light 13]

Shech-

I understand your frustration completely. The lack of leadership in our country is embarrassing.

I believe, however, that their is a dormant leadership laying in the weeds, waiting to pounce at the opportunity to point people in the right direction. People like you and I, who want desperately for the United States to reclaim its ethical ideals, as well as its dignity. I believe that those of us not sure how to act, how to get involved, will soon be shown the way. Be prepared, because you never know when that time may come...........

L/L 13

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may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

[Norval]

Milk and honey,
While many have beliefs, one must be careful on what you base them on, or in. I make it a habit
not to attempt to discuss anyone's beliefs. As I am not religious, I only attempt to present the facts
stated in the bible. Thank you for your post, and sharing your beliefs.

Freeze,
From another post by Freeze in another thread about me and this research.

"I have been reading some of your posts recently and I find them facinating ... I am not religious
myself but have been searching for answers all my life."

You then go off about some other writings and not about the bible. Until you read it, its like a
movie you haven't seen and want to talk about it. The play you haven't seen, and yet you want to
discuss it, read it and then talk about it, the bible.

Freeze said in another post,

Well said the time for teaching IS over .....

Then you won't mind if I don't take the time to "teach" you of what I know about the bible.
Thank you, that gives me more time to teach those that want to know what we do about the bible
and ET connection. That expectation of yours seems misplaced, to say the least. What I have
blown the whistle on is the governments attempt to keep aspects of the bible secret. But, if you
insist on reading all about, and what someone writes / says about the bible, we have no dialogue.

Good post Love/Light13,
Good words, and very true.

[YLG]

This thread is precisely why religion or the bible is not the answer. Can't even get a long on a forum where we are coming together to help each other. Where is the love brothers?

[Norval]

Some time back I was asked about this movie from this guy so blame this post on him.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=395
Zeitgeist Addendum,

Ok, They threw out the baby with the bath water.

I wonder if they would rethink their understanding with acceptance of ET / UFO bible connection
knowledge?

Many great points in the movie, except their religionization of the bible. I am in full agreement
about religions, bad governance, national attitudes and that we should become one as knowing
our true humanity. With comprehension of a much bigger picture than just our world mankind is
also on the brink of the ET / UFO disclosure. That then puts the spin to how about mankind
learning about ET governance and social acceptance in the galaxies? The bible, it's not about
religion but about an intergalactic oneness that is already established. You may want to read it.

To add to this I have to appreciate the technological references made as we all give thanks for this
wonder of the internet. It is also what blew the lid off the research Gale and I were doing. One
will not be able to accept the bible for what it actuallly contains without modern technological
comprehension. That is the only key we know of for comprehension of what the bible has to say
about mankind and the galaxies inhabitants of sentient inteligent life. Technology has unlocked all
the bibles words to investigation by searches of topical importance and with great speed. Try it,
you'll like it. Love is what the Good ETs up ^ there have done for us, and are about to do more.

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

[golden lady]

If there is any truth in what Norval is saying. Shouldnt we all just stop bickering and pay attention. This could be the guidence we are looking for. The answers we are all searching for, could be there before us.
But Noval, with respect, I would say to you we have not the time to go and read the bible, to decipher the codes, to understand the meaning and direction we need to take. So please help us here.
Please heed, the insight you bring, could also be quite disturbing. Remember we have been led to see what they have wanted us to see for so long. With your vast research and knowledge it would be more benificial (instead of getting lead into silly disagrements) to actually share with us your findings.

Love, peace and courage to all.

[Love/Light 13]

Norval-

How will the Good ET's know when the right time for a mass appearance, or when mass contact should be?

Will they read the etheric recordbook of the planet to find the exact right moment?

Do you believe there are negative ET's living among us or underground on this planet right now? If so, are they primarily in contact with the US Government, another Gov't, or the Vatican/Jesuit Order perhaps?

Thanks again for all your contributions....

L/L 13

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may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Hey there, Norval.

Do you believe the Koran is sending the same message as the Bible?

Regarding the bible, How can such a simple message be covered up for so long do you think?

[Norval]

Golden Lady,
Thank you, well spoken, good advice too. We thank you. We hope that we are doing this for the
most part.

Jacqui D,
Everything has it's meaning.
Thank you.

Love/Light13,
It is wrote, that the "time of the end would be cut short, , , , " it will happen like a "thief in the
night". I have answered the other questions in my previous posts.
Thanks, and keep reading, and keep looking up. Why? Because King Jesus "returns in the
clouds".

Beauwalton,

"Do you believe the Koran is sending the same message as the Bible?"

When it comes to other writings that are used by religions, and you mention the Koran, I will say
this for Islam. When they built the Dome of the Rock, some time around 650 AD, on the temple
site it effectively stopped all sacrifices there by the Jews. A fulfillment of bible prophesy? Yes, at a
very high probability.

Jesus gave us a warning that the Jews would "be trampled by the nations till the last days." History
shows us that the Jews were given "Israel" as their national lands back in 1948. Israel then
showed that they were no longer to be trampled on in the 1967 six day war. They are a 1st world
power with atomic and other weapons. In 1993 the last of the countries of the world released any
Jews behind their borders to return to Israel if they so wanted to.

We have two dates in history concerning the Jews, 1948 and 1993, that are known by all to be
true. Now when it comes to the exact date that the Dome of the Rock was built, there isn't one.
That is still up for discussion by researchers. There is another bible "prediction" that gives light to
this information.

Daniel was given to know that from the time that the sacrifices were stopped, there would be
1,290 "days", and happy would be those that made it to the 1,335 "day". Also keep in mind the
"day for a year" passage. Now, some simple math shows us this;

1948 AD, minus 1,290 years, equals 658 AD. Our money is on that date as the date for the true
final construction of the Dome of the Rock that stopped the Jews from ever sacrificing there
again. Then 45 years later, the 1,335 "days" ended in 1993 when the Jews were released by all
the remaining countries to return "home". Our research shows that of all the attempts to
understand this prophesy this to be the most probable fulfillment. Do your own research though.

"Regarding the bible, How can such a simple message be covered up for so long do you think?"

The best place to hide anything is right in front of you. Just "cloak" it with religious mystery and
rituals, until we had acquired the needed technological comprehension to accept the fact that "we
are not alone".

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

[sfth13]

Hi Norval,
I just want to thank you for posting this info. I'll just say growing up in NYC in an Italian family and rasised Roman Caltholic it wasn't easy for me. at a very young age I just felt that the bible wasn't being presented the right way to the people. since I didn't belive this i kinda of pushed it away and lived my life pretty much believing in they way you see see it. I always felt that God , the Lord what ever you want to call him was an ET. everytime I mentioned this people thought I was nuts they still do. but since seeing your post I have started to read the bible the way you suggest as a Government document. it's dufficult at first trying to break down the religous wall while reading but it makes a lot of sense. thanks agian, at least i know i'm not alone.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Daniel was given to know that from the time that the sacrifices were stopped, there would be
1,290 "days", and happy would be those that made it to the 1,335 "day". Also keep in mind the
"day for a year" passage. Now, some simple math shows us this;

1948 AD, minus 1,290 years, equals 658 AD. Our money is on that date as the date for the true
final construction of the Dome of the Rock that stopped the Jews from ever sacrificing there
again. Then 45 years later, the 1,335 "days" ended in 1993 when the Jews were released by all
the remaining countries to return "home". Our research shows that of all the attempts to
understand this prophesy this to be the most probable fulfillment. Do your own research though


Great stuff Norval, another piece in the Revelation to John puzzle!

[Bobbi]

A short story that may help. Although I was raised in a very structured religious environment, family circumstances were such that I didn't actually start to read the bible with any understanding until I was 15 years old. By that time I had been thoroughly enthralled with science fiction. Almost immediately upon reading the bible in study groups, it hit me! The bible, to me, was a very good science fiction novel. I had very big issues with religion (all) because of the blatant hyprocrisy I found everywhere and in everyone I met - including those in our church.

At 19 I threw the baby out with the bath water and refused to have anything further to do with churches, religion, spirituality, whatever title fit. I forbid any religious material in my home or around my children, other than the exposure to their grandmother. One day my five year old daughter asked me this question after visiting with my mother. "If God created man, who created God?" My response was "That's a very good question. I don't have the answer, but this is what I believe. We are here on earth as a science project, a laboratory experiment. We are being monitored and tested, just like a lab rat - tested to see what abilities are inherent in all creatures. I don't know who started it all but I believe there is a higher power, I don't know his name, I don't know where he came from, I don't know why he's doing this, but until I do, I'm not going to drop to my knees and 'worship' him. Let's just wait and see what happens."

I have based my entire life on one scripture from the Bible that I felt was the most important to me and would, in the end, allow my heart to be read for the person that I am. Jesus once said that whenever you give to the least of my brothers, you are giving to me. Therefore, everyone - and I do mean everyone - has been treated as a decent person - UNTIL they prove otherwise.

Decades passed and a few tribulations later and a few more tests and I met my husband, who opened up the floodgates. NOW I knew the "Why". I had always believed in aliens since I was a child. I just never put it together with the bible. WHAT AN EYE OPENER!!!!!!!! I'm still catching my breath, but what I can tell you is that a new peace has settled within me since that time. I now know I have a job to do and when the time comes, I will gladly oblige.