Pelosi declared martial law last night!***

[SkyWatcher]

I tried to pull the bill up on the THOMAS system, but was not able to. Due to the high volume of people trying to access this information, the sites crashed.

Any other avenues?
Nancy

Hi,

Watched that video last night(linked at the begining of thread) and wanted to go back over it, but it seems to be a different video now. what is that all about???????

LL

[Myra]

Originally Posted by Shaun*

Watch this CSPAN clip from last night.

At about 20:50 Rep.Burgess confirms the speaker declared martial law last night!

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/librar...art=&clipStop=

I click on the link and it says "video program not found"

Does anyone have another link?

Oh, the irony....

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Martial Law Declared
December 17, 2007 · No Comments
For those looking for some context for tonight’s debate on the Omnibus, consider then-Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) floor comments on December 6, 2004:

Lacking the support of a majority of this body, this assault on taxpayer privacy was possible only because of the Republicans’ repeated willingness to abuse their power. My colleagues, as we all know, the rules of this House mandate that Members be given a minimum of 3 days to review legislation. That is a rule of the House. Yet the Republican leadership frequently resorts to the use of martial law to push through legislation by requiring a same-day vote. In the 108th Congress alone, the Republican leadership proposed same-day votes nearly 30 times. This excessive use of martial law rules subverts the will of Congress by denying Members the opportunity to examine critical legislation, thus allowing egregious measures such as the taxpayer privacy persecution provision to pass. It was only caught in the Senate because they had more time to review the legislation. [Congressional Record, Page H10903]

Myra...you mean this one?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7B4laX1E70

[Myra]

Originally Posted by Old Dood

Myra...you mean this one?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7B4laX1E70

Thanks Old Dood.

I wish we could see what exactly went on during that sneaky Congressional meeting!

[TheGhost]

This is probably what the guys from Half Past Human were talking about when they said something would happen on the weekend of 27/28 September that would 'set the stage' for what is going to happen on 7th October.

[Adarajones]

Explanation for Congressional Martial Law

http://www.cbpp.org/7-28-06bud-stmt.htm

HOUSE LEADERSHIP INVOKES “MARTIAL LAW,” FORCING MEMBERS TO VOTE ON KEY BILLS WITHOUT FULL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY ARE VOTING ON: MOVE REPRESENTS EROSION OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS
Statement by Robert Greenstein
Executive Director, Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The House Republican Leadership has announced its intention to have the House vote, before adjourning on Friday or Saturday, on several major pieces of legislation that are not yet available to House members in final form because behind-closed-door negotiations on the proposals are still going on. The Leadership apparently intends to use a process known as “martial law” to allow these bills to be brought to the floor very shortly after negotiations are completed, with the result that Members of the House are likely to have virtually no time to examine and consider the details of the legislation before they will be required to vote on it.

Among the matters the House may be asked to vote on under martial law are a major conference report on pension legislation, a costly bill that would permanently reduce the estate tax and extend certain expiring tax provisions, and a bill that could combine a controversial health insurance proposal with an increase in the minimum wage (there also are reports that the estate tax, minimum wage, and expiring tax provisions may be combined into a single bill). The House Rules Committee on Thursday afternoon reported a resolution that would provide martial law authority in relation to all of these bills.

Under the martial law procedure, longstanding House rules that require at least one day between the unveiling of significant legislation and the House floor vote on that legislation — so that Members can learn what they are being asked to vote on — are swept away. Instead, under “martial law,” the Leadership can file legislation with tens or hundreds of pages of fine print and move immediately to debate and votes on it, before Members of Congress, the media, or the public have an opportunity to understand fully what provisions have been altered or inserted into the legislation behind closed doors. This is the procedure that the Leadership intends to use to muscle through important bills in the next two days.

This procedure diminishes democracy. When major legislation is being considered that would add hundreds of billions of dollars to the debt or affect millions of Americans in other ways, Members of Congress should have an opportunity to study the legislation for more than a couple of hours and to know what they are voting on.

The Bills in Question

The pension bill, which contains important changes in the rules governing defined benefit pension plans and tax laws affecting retirement savings (and also may serve as a vehicle for tax changes unrelated to retirement), has been the subject of vigorous debate for months among members of the House-Senate conference committee. Although a final agreement on the conference report has reportedly been imminent for days, the conferees were still working out differences as of Thursday evening. The legislation that would provide for a permanent reduction in the estate tax and the extension of a number of popular expiring tax provisions (such as the research and development tax credit) has not been finalized because the pension bill conferees are still debating whether some or all of those provisions should be included in the conference report on the pension bill. Legislation that would promote so-called “association health plans” and increase the minimum wage (and likely contain other provisions intended to make the minimum wage increase more acceptable to House conservatives) also is still being negotiated behind closed doors by Republican leaders.

Some of these bills are very costly. The sharp reductions in the estate tax that are under consideration, and provisions making permanent the pension tax cuts enacted in 2001 (which are expected to be in the pension conference report), would cost approximately $325 billion over the ten-year period from 2007 to 2016. And because most of these provisions would not take effect until after 2010, their long-term costs are much larger. During the first decade when these provisions would be fully in effect, 2012 to 2021, they would reduce revenues by about $700 billion. When the increased interest payments on the debt are included, the total impact on the budget rises to nearly $900 billion over that decade.

Despite these large costs, the plan of the House Republican Leadership appears to be to pass the martial-law rule the House Rules Committee reported last night, allowing any or all of the three bills to go directly to the House floor as soon as the private negotiations on them have been concluded — and before the public, the media, or even Members of the House themselves have an opportunity to examine the revised legislation carefully.

Among other things, this arouses suspicion that some of the changes that are being made in the proposals may be presented as easing certain controversial provisions of the bills, even if the reality is different. It also creates concern that some special-interest provisions may have been inserted into the bills, or some special interests may otherwise have been protected, in order to secure votes.

Use of the martial law procedure will enable the Leadership to seek to round up the votes needed to pass the bills before a full picture is available of what the bills actually do.

What is “Martial Law”?

The House leadership is using a parliamentary gambit to evade a longstanding House rule that is supposed to ensure that this kind of obfuscation does not occur. That House rule (Rule XIII(6)(a)) provides that a resolution (called a rule) reported by the Rules Committee cannot be considered by the House on the same legislative day that the rule is reported (except by a two-thirds vote of the House). This is supposed to ensure that Members of the House and the public have at least one day to examine and analyze what is in legislation before they have to debate and vote on it.

To maneuver around this House rule and rush the three proposals discussed above to a vote before they have been fully examined, the Rules Committee reported a rule late Thursday afternoon (H.Res. 958) that would waive the application of Rule XIII(6)(a). Instead, it would allow the Rules Committee to wait until the last minute and not to report the rules governing the consideration of these bills or to release the text of the bills themselves until immediately before debate and votes on the bills, and on the rules governing their consideration, commences.

This extraordinary procedure is known as a “martial law” rule because it suspends the normal procedures and safeguards and allows the House Leadership to operate in a more authoritarian fashion. It enables the Leadership to seek to ram a bill or conference report through before the Members have the opportunity to fully understand what they are voting on.

Legislation that has far-reaching implications for millions of Americans deserves to be considered under a more democratic process. Waiting until the last minute to reveal what is in these bills, and then “spinning” or potentially mischaracterizing changes in the bills without Members of the House or the public having an opportunity to obtain a more objective review of what the legislation does, is unfair to Members of the House. It also is unfair to the millions of Americans whose lives could be affected by this legislation. It represents a further step in reducing the degree of transparency and democracy in how this country is governed and how decisions are made. At a time when our leaders preach the goal of promoting democracy abroad, they should not be reducing it at home.

[Waterman]

The Congressman is speaking now on Alex Jones about the statement "martial law" is Congressman Burgess. And he said it is a term that was used to show that they were unable to review the law, and were being thrown out of meetings, like democratic congresswoman Marci Kaptur {sp}.

Rep. Burgess Alex's show is a republican congressman and was thrown out too.

It is NOT martial law in the streets! Saying that we have martial law is being guilty of "spinning" the news, and YELLOW journalism!

BUT I will state, that in fact the president DID renew the declaration of emergency which allows many draconian laws to be used.

[beegee]

Originally Posted by Shaun*

Watch this CSPAN clip from last night.

At about 20:50 Rep.Burgess confirms the speaker declared martial law last night!

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/librar...art=&clipStop=

I tried to listen but, the clip only goes to 19:58?

[Steve_A]

Hi Soul Sequence,

I managed to download the .pdf report. Perhaps you don't have a .pdf reader on your computer?

I have transformed it into a .doc (Word) document for you to download at this address: http://www.marketingyourmusic.net/Marketsbill.doc

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by Soul Sequence

http://www.c-span.org/pdf/marketsbill_draft.pdf

lol, they say its here to read but when I open up the page, a popup says the file is corrupt........lmao....that's just funny, I needed that..Thankyou microsoft.........If anyone can get it to work, let me know.