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Old 09-24-2008, 10:03 PM   #26
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Depression is impossible if you are present. It is always in the past and thus projected on to the future as you have no reason to believe the future will be better than the past right. Hehe.

I don't suggest you read stuff and investigate this or that. Take a break from all mental stimuli. Start go attend a yoga class and learn the basics and start to do yoga every day morning and evening. It does not matter what shape you are in. The important thing is that this will get your energy flowing and you will be forced to be in the "eternal now" as some of these positions are really complicated and fun to do! It is important to go to the classes even if you don't feel like it. You will be surprised to see how easy the depression melts away when you have to be really focused in the now. Joy will take its place!
In these times stretching out with the cats and taking in the rays is hardly an inteligent option.

The more information one has in ones noodle the better prepared they can be for upcomming events. And events are upcoming, you can pretend otherwise but to do so only serves to paint yourself into a cornor.

But.. thats if you care.

I no longer do, honestly my noodle has taken in all it can handle. So i will be stretching out with the cats if anyone wants me.

If you want to survive, then it may be best to read read read, prepare prepare prepare.
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Old 09-24-2008, 10:13 PM   #27
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I think you should stay around this site little longer you will begin to feel the very good vibes that run from everyone here.
Other than that get yourself a good wind chime in the garden listen to it when it plays in the breeze and imagine yourself high up in a mountain somewhere, it works for me every time.
Also it sounds like you may be around to many negative people associate yourself with people who can lift you not bring you down.

Down worry mate when the conscience lift comes you'll be singing up in the trees lol!
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Old 09-24-2008, 10:19 PM   #28
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I applaud your authenticity. I've gotten great relief from a simple but powerful technique called EFT. Google: "Emotional Freedom Technique" +YouTube. There are literally hundreds of demo videos that will explain the concept and technique to you. It's popularity is spreading like wildfire, because it really gets results--costs nothing to learn the basics of it.

Good luck. You seem blessed with native good sense.
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Old 09-24-2008, 11:06 PM   #29
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Thank you for your post, procrastinator. I've been there recently, today.
I'm spending far to much time on this. I work in places with heavy doors and lots of drama. When it would get to me I would just go outside on the patio and it helped just to realize that life goes on in other ways. As John Lennon said, "Life is what happens when we're busy making other plans."
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Old 09-25-2008, 03:19 AM   #30
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- This will eventually lead to an overwhelming feeling of confusion and in many cases will cause anxiety and distress. This is the exact way i felt when watching television (lol)
Thanks I bet there are a lot of people to get a bit overwhelmed by all this stuff. My head was spinning for days.

I think the project avalon idea is really great for moving past all of that stuff, because even before I saw any videos on youtube or B&K's interviews.. I had something telling me that I need to be ready to walk away from life as I know it. And it could be initiated by myself, or a reaction to a world event.. who knows but you can guarantee that every minute you spend preparing will be time well spent.

Loved all the other posts too. Very much appreciating the ideas, and I think even the conflicting ones work well when put together.
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Old 09-25-2008, 03:41 AM   #31
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I have a similar issue. I am not feeling depressed, but I do feel like I am not in contact with my inner self. I so long to get there there. I try to meditate but I cannot seem to concentrate or focus.

I would like to have my wife and my daughter participate, they are a bit sceptical, but I feel like before I can ask them to meditate with me, I need to know what I am doing and actually get results and in contact with my higher self first.

Does that make sense to anyone?

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Old 09-25-2008, 09:26 AM   #32
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In these times stretching out with the cats and taking in the rays is hardly an inteligent option.

The more information one has in ones noodle the better prepared they can be for upcomming events. And events are upcoming, you can pretend otherwise but to do so only serves to paint yourself into a cornor.

But.. thats if you care.

I no longer do, honestly my noodle has taken in all it can handle. So i will be stretching out with the cats if anyone wants me.

If you want to survive, then it may be best to read read read, prepare prepare prepare.
What use is "surviving" if one is depressed? As some yoga teacher said once: "I don't care about the world, I have a fly in my eye." You have got to take care of first things first. If armageddon came (which it won't) it would still be better to have a moment of clarity than to flee around totally lost and depressed. First you have to taste clarity and then you can move in that direction. Yoga can definitely do that for you.

- Better one moment of serene faith and clarity, than a thousand lifetimes in unconsciousness and depression. - Buddha the man
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Old 09-25-2008, 09:34 AM   #33
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I have a similar issue. I am not feeling depressed, but I do feel like I am not in contact with my inner self. I so long to get there there. I try to meditate but I cannot seem to concentrate or focus.

I would like to have my wife and my daughter participate, they are a bit sceptical, but I feel like before I can ask them to meditate with me, I need to know what I am doing and actually get results and in contact with my higher self first.

Does that make sense to anyone?
Yea, it makes a lot of sense, Mike. It is hard to go from a typical "western lifestyle" and straight to meditation. That is why I recommend yoga as a bridge. Yoga will calm the body and thus the mind and you will get a taste of meditation with regular practice. When you have a taste of clarity it will be easier to just sit down and meditate. The restless ego/mind will already have been prepared and somewhat put into place by the glimpses of the beyond. At least enough so that you will KNOW that there is something juicy and nurishing in there that is worth looking for. The ego/mind will thus have a harder time convincing you that "this is silly/waste of time/does not work" etc. By experiencing it you will KNOW and thus you can let the mind doubt all it wants. It does not bother you all that much anymore because your relationship with it will become more depersonalized...
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Old 09-25-2008, 12:03 PM   #34
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What use is "surviving" if one is depressed? As some yoga teacher said once: "I don't care about the world, I have a fly in my eye." You have got to take care of first things first. If armageddon came (which it won't) it would still be better to have a moment of clarity than to flee around totally lost and depressed. First you have to taste clarity and then you can move in that direction. Yoga can definitely do that for you.

- Better one moment of serene faith and clarity, than a thousand lifetimes in unconsciousness and depression. - Buddha the man
Very true.

My statement was only considering that this was the reason for the anxiety.

His mind is searching for answers, that may have been why he was uneasy to begin with. And when he just started to take in everything without questioning it his mind still craved conclusions.

Of course it could be something else that is causing this feeling, it just seems to me that since he was directed to start researching this stuff it seems fitting that his higher self is making him feel down as a catalyst to urge him to start this research.
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Old 09-25-2008, 01:58 PM   #35
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Thanks for the response. I will look into Yoga and begin that journey to try and AWAKEN.
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Old 09-25-2008, 02:03 PM   #36
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Thanks for the response. I will look into Yoga and begin that journey to try and AWAKEN.
Definitely yoga sounds good.

I think I might try to ween off the tim hortons coffee too cuz I guess sugar and caffeine crashing doesn't help ..

probably the sugar is worse than the caffeine..
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Old 09-25-2008, 05:19 PM   #37
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Hello All. I have spent a few weeks going from searching for UFO videos on youtube.. realizing there may be something to it.. to hearing well.. just about everything.

As an experiment I decided to let myself to believe things and not get hung up on details and conspiracies. What happened was, I ended up being the same depressed bored person with a negative mind-spin lol. I realized that even if other beings came to earth and gave me free energy and long life, I might not feel a heck of a lot better.

So.. I realized that I'm in a bit of a spiritual pickle, and before I try to learn how to survive in the bush, or a war, or a utopia, I need to learn how to be positive and loving! I was wondering if someone who has been in this place has some ideas of how to break the cycle?

Also.. I should volunteer that I have been through a lot in the past few years and these things may need time to unravel, and am prone to depression, so.. I'm just looking for some tips or techniques that may be helpful to me and to others who are wondering what it takes to start contributing a positive energy outward...

I hope this isn't selfish and that others like me might benefit from the feedback.


Hello procrastinator. Time to start moving toward a new identity. How about Expediter?

We have failed, in our culture, to nurture detachment. Detachment isn't "I don't care." Detachment is realizing that in the big picture, our own little needs and wants don't count for a lot. We can dissolve our egos if we devote ourselves to Love with this in mind.

Fear comes from attachment, from entanglement with the world and all its apparent but transient realities. Here are some good steps:

Stop watching the mainstream media, especially television. It is mind-poison. Read and listen to uplifting material to balance your input. I don't know what would resonate with you, it might be Gurdjieff or Deepak Chopra or it might be the Bible, or all of the above. It might be Beethoven or Jefferson Airplane. If it inspires and uplifts you, that's good.

Learn to focus on others. No matter how bad your problems are, others are worse off. And you can never tell...it's easy to think, her problems are nothing compared to mine. But you can't know that. She may be unable to cope with a matter that would be child's play for you. So focus on each other with compassion. Make it a goal, a real striving point, to find ways to look for the best in people.

Find ways to serve others. This means expecting nothing in return. You will be blessed and your heart will open. Give $5 to the guy on the corner with the piece of cardboard. He may go spend it on drugs but that's on him. You still did the right thing by giving.

Focus on discovery, not expectation. We can all see the corruption, the wars, the famine and the economic turbulence. It's not so easy - it takes a little effort sometimes - to see that there's all kinds of good stuff going on "they" never tell us about.

READ! Make time for it, schedule time to read. If you do not read you might as well be illiterate. Look at our president, who brags that he doesn't read. What a fool. Go beyond your education. Read great works. Read junk novels. Read poetry. Read tech manuals. But read every day.

Pay attention to what you listen to as well. If your preferred music has been stuff with vulgar lyrics that focuses on antisocial themes, look for ways to change that. Learn to appreciate different kinds of music, all kinds of music. And stay away from talk radio!

Learn to focus on your strengths, and not your shortcomings. It can take effort to discover our true strengths. One very good tool is Strengths Finder 2.0, available in the business section at any good bookstore. Discover your strengths and devote yourself to cultivating them in the service of others, and you will never again be unhappy.

A few concrete, positive ideas...hope they're helpful.


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Old 09-26-2008, 12:10 AM   #38
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I second WhiteCrow regarding dumping the mainstream media crapola. I 'divorced' my TV 4 years ago, and it was one of the best things I have ever done for myself.

Another good first step is to learn some sort of chi/prana-moving technique, like various kinds of yogic breathing or visualizing a chi-gong 'great circuit'. Then when the stress starts to mount, the technique can be recalled. Because it has 'steps', the mind has to focus on those steps (and has to 'watch' the body do them), and it breaks the previous focus on the agitation and/or depression. While it takes a bit of practice at first, eventually one can get to a point where an incoming stress actually triggers remembering and performing the technique before the anxiety or depression can even get in the door. This pays big dividends because not only does it immediately still the mental hamster-wheel, it also keeps one's central nervous system from being constantly smacked around by stress-hormones.

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Old 09-26-2008, 10:51 PM   #39
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probably the sugar is worse than the caffeine..
Hi again,

You should check out a book called "Sugar Blues" for more information on Sugar http://www.amazon.com/Sugar-Blues-Wi.../dp/0446343129

Also, I know you're very busy and the stress probably doesn't help matters but if there's any possible way that you could take some time for a Vipassana Meditation...
"Vipassana, which means to see things as they really are, is one of India's most ancient techniques of meditation. It was taught in India more than 2500 years ago as a universal remedy for universal ills, i.e., an Art of Living. For those who are not familiar with Vipassana Meditation, an Introduction to Vipassana by Mr. Goenka and Questions & Answers about Vipassana are available.

The technique of Vipassana Meditation is taught at ten-day residential courses during which participants learn the basics of the method, and practice sufficiently to experience its beneficial results.

There are no charges for the courses - not even to cover the cost of food and accommodation. All expenses are met by donations from people who, having completed a course and experienced the benefits of Vipassana, wish to give others the opportunity to also benefit."

With courses all over North America:
http://www.dhamma.org/en/bycountry/na/

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