Kerry, David and the Lizard Men

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by eleni

I found this to be a worthwhile read as well:
http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/t...erta_files.htm

Yes anyone with even a casual interest in the topic of Reptilians, needs to be aware of this.

Recommended.

[Astra]

I read a shocking book called “Trance Formation of America”, by Cathy O'Brien. She says she was a victim of CIA MKULTRA mind-control, and that she witnessed (among others) George Bush physically shapeshift into a Reptilian alien being. There is a whole passage in the book in regards to this incident. She rationalised it as potentially being a holographic illusion as part of her mind control programming. I believe this book contains much truth.
Then there is Arizona Wilder, another victim of the mind-control program, who witnessed Illuminati blood rituals and recalls a prominent politicians shape-shift into reptilian beings. I know, I know, might be too hard to swallow! Look at the deception we live in! Look at the creators of the deception! I have never seen a Reptilian myself, but don't dismiss a possibility of their existance out there. I have been seeing other kind of entities, still not sure how to call them, though, and where they come from. They are like angelic beings to me that bring comfort, Love and Hope.

in Love and Light

Yours
Astra

[Zenbuoy]

Originally Posted by Astra

Then there is Arizona Wilder, another victim of the mind-control program, who witnessed Illuminati blood rituals and recalls a prominent politicians shape-shift into reptilian beings. I know, I know, might be too hard to swallow!
Astra

Fascinating video. Starts at 37:20 sec. Lot's of swirl around it when originally released by David Icke. Even a cohort disclaimed Icke and this work. My favorite is when she mentions Madeline Albright being a reptillian.

VIDEO - And then, she does an interesting bit of mentioning Zach Sitchin IS ALSO A REPTILLIAN. Drew flags for me in that she went on a bit about him in particular. Also see The Reptilian Agenda (with Shaman Credo Mutwa) by David Icke.

The most valuable bit of "Revelations of a Mother Goddess" is at the BEGINNING, - Icke's SUMMATATION OF WORLD CONTROLLED FINANCES outside the buildings in London where they divy up the coins.

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Steven

Some people have seen them, others have interacted with them. These are sources of all the talks about reptilians.

Alex Collier messages received from the andromedans goes into many details about reptilians, our history in relation with them, their attitude and philosophy, etc...

"Source A" from Clay and Shawn Pickering also have direct relationship with some reptilians. They describe it in this interview: http://216.18.211.130/audio/Clay_and...on_summary.mp3

Here is another very interesting interviews with the same guys. Reptilians being among the topics. http://216.18.211.130/audio/Clay_and...ember_2009.mp3

There are other sources, not often first hand witnessing which does not mean "proof". Again, it all depends if you believe them or not.

I trust these two information.

Of course there are many disinformation. Even more difficult to discern is when a trusted whistleblower give a personal assumption without mentioning that it is a personal "understanding". After some time, the information turns out to be false. Then, you have to be smart and discerning to avoid setting aside the "whole story". That's how a detective would make its way to the source...

The truth is in the story... Especially when several credible sources are coming to a logical complement of the true picture. But... there are also assumption, beliefs and a variety of anomalies along the story tightly mixed with true information that makes a challenge to discern what is going on. But there exist some little tricks to discern the truth...

Namaste, Steven

Hi Steven, Dogma and All!

This is so true about 'the little tricks to discern the truth'.
Now Alex Collier imo is NOT a disinformant and is again imo full of integrity.
Years ago, I was in contact with the Andromedean Letter, published by his friends (Anderson I recall?).
There are some highly important data threads in his Andromedean channelings.
1. The 12th dimensional 'Black-White Holes' which have opened up and 'swallowed all lower Ds' (including the 6th/7th of the Reptilian boundary of incarnation.
2. The Wormhole between Sirius and Earth.
3. The Oldest Race of All, who cannot remember their own origins.
(Compare this with the Wingmakers and the Animus 'robot' invasion 'storylined' for 2011.)

Ok then, kudos to Alex for this information, somewhat scientifically coloured. This info can become easily translated into hard core science, say as done by Haramein, Kaku and the more 'unorthodox' pioneers of science.

But then it becomes a 'mixup' with David Icke's shapeshifters and related scenarios - which are imo disinformation wrt the COMMON reptilian evolutionary development of ALL mammals (the stembrain extends itself or EVOLVES into the midbrain).

David Icke's general agenda imo is rather pertinent; except the 'shapeshifting' agenda.

You, who are reading this IS a Reptilian shapeshifter - just think about your brainstem. It is as 'sacred' as your human topbrain postulated to place you 'above the base instincts'.
It does not - denying your reptilian baseness will result in repressive tendencies and suppressions of many sorts.
BUT what the mammalian midbrain allows the reptilian stembrain to do is to EVOLVE, say in the warmbloodedness and the increased dynamical activity this entails.
The Dinosaurs were warmblooded, but due to the emergence of the paramammals (pecylosaurs) towards the end of the Mesozoic so 80 million years ago and then the changing climates, the Gaian planetary consciousness EXPERIMENTED and progressed in its own LEARNING about the divers lifeprocesses, which began with the oxygenation of the atmosphere so 2.2 billion years ago and then 'exploded' in lifeforms so 1.5 billion years after that.

So it was the planet itself, that evolved, using its harboured lifeforms as reference points.
And then so 26,000 years ago; the mammalian midbrain made a 'punctuated equilibrium evolutionary jump' (Stephen Jay Gould, Lynn Margulis and Dorian Sagan and many more) in the SYMBIOSIS of the old mammal brain with the frontal cortex characterising the modern human.

Guess what the next such 'jump' will be - it will by necessity require the EXTENSION or EVOLUTION of the human Topbrain into a brain which PHYSICALLY extends itself.

Then the Metaphysics of 6D reptilians incarnate in 'ethereal' dimensions will become realised in the New Humanoids in Selfharmony (meaning amongst other things the Natural Bisexuality of the AdamEve=Purusha=Vitruvius archetype from the older Adam+Eve bifurcation---AdamEve=New DragonMan and EveAdam=New DragonWoman).

The REPTILIAN BRAINSTEM will so 'close the circle of (a) evolution' in metamorphosing into a DRAGON CROWNBRAIN --- reptile to dragon and old human to new human etc.

Now it is this Dragon-Serpent-Snake-Reptilian archetype, which BECAUSE of its absolute cosmic ubiquity is basic to all cultures upon Gaia and it is this INHERENT characteristic which then results in INDIVIDUATED REAL ENCOUNTERS and experiences in the intersection of the hitherto 'etheric dimensions' of the 'reptoids' with the ordinary 4D sppacetime of the lightspeed restricted world of the status quo.

So simplifying; David Icke and Alex Collier are NOT lying or deceiving their 'audiences'; BUT they are 'TUNING INTO' certain metaphysical-physical dimensional convergences of the underpinning ENERGIES of the Cosmos, such as the superpotent Dragon Archetype as the 'Wingmakers' and as the 'timetravelled humans' both in the ancient past (as Collier's Oldest Race who can't remember---who are US NOW here on Gaia---and the utopian future, say as MISAPPROPRIATED and MISUNDERSTOOD by the creative imaginers and creators of the V movies and so forth.

The 'child eating' aliens of Alex and David are the basically the same 'perception mode' as the T.Rex eating people in Jurassic Park.
Then certain 'well fed' normal people, who do not have to 'worry' about making ends meet and who have little purpose in life, except to 'hord secret information' (which is accessible to most if they would care to look for it thanks to the web) DISCOVER the 'Secrets of the Symbols' and think (like the Aztecs did in a similar manner), that the 'Dragon-Brain' of the 'higher perception' (David Wilcock's Pineal Gland and sacred geometry affiliations) can only become REALITY in 'sacrifices of the blood'.
The aztecs did similar. The 'sacred scrolls' talk of the 'surrender of the heart to God' and the 'purity of the firstborn Ram' in sacrifice and so on.
The Aztecs failed to understand (they were mentally not 'evolved enough' at the Gaian consciousness time) and the Hebrews mistook (and still do) the Ram and the Calf and the Goat as the physicality of the animals, instead of UNDERSTANDING them as ARCHETYPES of the starry constellations.
1=Aries=Firstborn (correlate to Abraham's sacrifice of the Ram instead of Isaac).
2.Taurus=Calf as the secondborn and
10=Capricorn=SeaGoat as the 1+0=1=10 'higher resonance' of Aries
11=Aquarius as Taurus*=1+1=2 and
12=Pisces=1+2=3 as Gemini* and the other superpotent archetype of the Cosmic Twinship closing the Milky Way Galactic Circle of Ourobos- the Dragon who swallows its own tail.

This is how simple this whole agenda gets if you examine the MOST BASIC cosmogony as that of symbols and archetypes.

Abraxasinas

[Steven]

Hello Abraxasinas. (Your name makes me remember a popular music group in Brazil).

What I find most interesting in Collier's information is the source of lifeforms in our Galaxy. In one of his lecture, he explained that there was 4 element based or molecule based intelligent lifeforms in the Galaxy. Oxygen, Hydrogen element based and Methane, Ammonia molecule based.

We human and all other human species in the galaxy are Oxygen based lifeforms. While Drows and Reptilians are Hydrogen based. Collier further explained that any given Oxygen species can theoretically live on a foreign planet where another Oxygen lifeforms has evolved with some technical adaptation, but can not live where another type of lifeforms has evolved like Hydrogen based life.

Another awesome information he gave is that Oxygen lifeforms can travel faster then the speed of light, woo. While Hydrogen based lifeforms are limited to the speed of light to travel which is a disadvantage for them. Having in mind the far distance to travel in our galaxy, I can see why they are disadvantaged. This is the main cause why Drows and Reptilians have developped such an advanced technical ability to genetics manipulation.

To me, this piece of information, (elemental based lifeforms) is very significant to understand how relationship between races has evolved throughout the Galaxy.

Once again, it all depends if you believe him or not...

Namaste, Steven

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Steven

Hello Abraxasinas. (Your name makes me remember a popular music group in Brazil).

What I find most interesting in Collier's information is the source of lifeforms in our Galaxy. In one of his lecture, he explained that there was 4 element based or molecule based intelligent lifeforms in the Galaxy. Oxygen, Hydrogen element based and Methane, Ammonia molecule based.

We human and all other human species in the galaxy are Oxygen based lifeforms. While Drows and Reptilians are Hydrogen based. Collier further explained that any given Oxygen species can theoretically live on a foreign planet where another Oxygen lifeforms has evolved with some technical adaptation, but can not live where another type of lifeforms has evolved like Hydrogen based life.

Another awesome information he gave is that Oxygen lifeforms can travel faster then the speed of light, woo. While Hydrogen based lifeforms are limited to the speed of light to travel which is a disadvantage for them. Having in mind the far distance to travel in our galaxy, I can see why they are disadvantaged. This is the main cause why Drows and Reptilians have developped such an advanced technical ability to genetics manipulation.

To me, this piece of information, (elemental based lifeforms) is very significant to understand how relationship between races has evolved throughout the Galaxy.

Once again, it all depends if you believe him or not...

Namaste, Steven

Yes Steven I agree with the basic potency of the Andomedean info. The potency derives from a 'destined' intergalactic 'celestial wedding' between Perseus aka the clockwise winding Milky Way barred spiral with Andromeda aka the anticlockwise winding M31 barred spiral in so 5 billion years.
The two galaxies are approaching each other and will collide then to become a 'very ancient' elliptical supergalaxy for the lifeforms in the universe at that time.

The molecular basis for the 'elemental' lifeforms, say on the gaseous planets and methaned aliens of Venus; is simply the nucleosynthesis of standard cosmology with the addendum that all forms of polarity and beginning with neutron decay into hydrogen carry spacial consciousness and so are technically alive.
The nuclear stability then is found in 'Ikeda Shapes', namely the nesting of the alpha-particle aka the Helium4 nucleus of 2 protons+2Neutrons.
Then Helium8=Beryllium8 and Helium12=Carbon12 and Helium16=Oxygen16, the latter in its 3rd Resonance form.

So you may duscern here that you are really 'talking' fundamental physics emerging from the metaphysics of geometric basics...i.e. Alex Collier's 'science' data from Andromeda.

Abraxasinas means AS IN Abraxas the monad before the duality bifuraction (yinyang say).
A...S

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

---------- agree's with clark kent after ,much heavy research i see no proof of anything in that area. i find it fascinating and do not discount it. the article on that link does seem total blabber and bs tho.. i think really you just get bored of reading usubstantiated articles and info..

[wynderer]

something i've noticed: whenever anyone posts anything re the reptilians, the threads immediately get diverted away from the topic

i'm sure i'm not the only one visiting this forum who has seen reptilians, both shapeshifting & in 4D -- there aren't that many, contrasted to the numbers of greys here -- & they walk amongst us undetected -- not surprising, when most can't even see/grok the chemtrails over their heads

the infighting -- from the original posting here -- that concurs w/a recent experience of my own

it doesn't really matter to me if some think that the many first-person accounts of interacting w/reptilians -- if these accouints are dismissed by some as having no validity -- it's a free will universe & you can believe what you want

to abductees who may be afraid to post -- & it's true, one does get a lot of flak for speaking up -- they do make good on those threats -- it has occurred to me that just by being able to see them, we are one jump ahead in their game -- we are waking up -- & learning that the Light, our portion of the Light, is stronger than they are --all the abductees who are still sleeping are at risk

Peace & Freedom, wynderer