I need your interpretation of the event - Page 2

Lunaris · 02-08-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Czymra

eXchanger,
I'm sorry to say this, and your statements are all true, I'm not here to judge this man nor can I evaluate the whole situation as that, but detached from that story, I simply can't stand it when you go on about money being exchange when clearly it's a big rip-off.
I've seen this happen on many occasions now and wonder why you feel that it is your task to remind everybody that money isn't of a sign of evil.
True enough, in the system that we live in we all need money and it is necessary to charge it when appropriate and not to underestimate the services that are being given.
However, saying that one should charge for spiritual help just doesn't go down with me. If that is the standard (and it sadly is) then surely no one will help anybody without money. Where's the benevolence?

Yes money is power/time/blood and the exchange of that is good, and some may have it flow to them as a tool for what they need to do here, but as our current money itself is corrupted how can you assume honest trade and stand for it?

i absolutely agree with this statement! i just "fired" my "healer" recently.... what really got me upset was when i told her i bought dinner for a few homeless guys in my neighborhood her response was "don't 'those' people have somewhere to go?"

oh yeah ..."those" people...yeah they always have somewhere to go that's why they are homeless..they have their neighborhood garbage bin to dine at...

we had a terrible few months at work so no "bonuses",the recession really hit hard here,i am still going through a bankruptcy, and i promised "those people" we would go dine at a neighborhood restaurant...i told my "healer" this and asked if we could postpone til next month..most people here are struggling to have jobs let alone worry about going to a $100 sound,colour therapy, chanelling session...

her response was "don't those people have somewhere to go?"

that just made my stomach turn.

even at my work many of our regular customers are doing much smaller orders now because of the crash..

then that same week i randomly met this guy who "teaches" self healing...i was reading a delores cannon book and we started chatting about time,meta physics,earth grids,reincarnation etc...he would not answer even one of my questions directly on what his "system" consists of...he mentioned "energy"...i asked" as in earth grids,ley lines,body grids, merkaba, ...what exactly...

as he was 'pitching" i should definately take a class from him to learn the proper tools to be able to "be at peace" in my environment...

yet..he could not directly answer any of my questions! i would have to take the class...at a mere $500 for 4 sessions of 2 hours each..then i would be "healed" and "know all these tools myself and skip along on my merry way...

i told him i thought people here were ****** up when a "healer" who is projecting herself to be an "ascended being" can not feel any empathy for a homeless person being fed and given some healing and love and she can just be so cold and just want her session.

he responded by telling me i really had to take the course so i can learn to better live in my environment..that i was just maladjusted...

so...yeah...

the money thing i have been thinking about lately too...

it just really really annoys me and really disappoints me in seeing where most people still are.

Delphi · 02-07-2009, 10:27 PM

I have seen faces slip into other lives quite often but only on one occasion have i seen horns.
Decades ago on a sunny day in a very smart part of Lindon WI somebody had the nerve to pinch my bum. I turned round and the man I saw was grinning and for the briefest instant i saw little horns through his hair and the sky turned darker. It was so unsettling I have not forgotten it.

Burgundia, for me the trigger word in your description of your friend's lover was narcissistic. No narcissist is really present in a relationship, however charming they might appear.

love to all

KathyT · 02-08-2009, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by burgundia

My friend, who is in her 40-ies and the most down-to-earth person I know, has a friend/partner/lover.
At a certain moment she looked at him and said that he was different. It was still him but his face changed. she used the words " I saw a devil"( that traditional devil-like image: black hair combed to the back of his head, then something like long, wide, black sideburns, etc. I'd say a Mephistopheles looks). he looked like that for about 5 minutes before changing again to his normal appearance. she described him as self-centered, not caring about other people, narcissistic, egoistic.
If you can explain what could have happened there, please do.

I don't think by words here, we can figure this thing out. We don't know your friend or her partner. We know nothing about the real persons they are. We've never met them in person. All we would be doing is speculating.

Your friend needs to talk with people who really know herself personally, and also know her partner. Additionally, perhaps a consultation with a medical professional, clergy, or psychologist might be advisable. They're people who can honestly evaluate the real persons involved.

burgundia · 02-08-2009, 07:40 AM

she is "discovering " him slowly...certain traits are surfacing now...she is not in love with him. she says he is fun being around. they enjoy the same things like cooking or travelling.he also abuses alcohol but is never violent, just goes to sleep. i described his vices but....there are thousands of men that would fit the description, especially those with money.

Orion11 · 02-08-2009, 11:23 AM

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i described his vices but....there are thousands of men that would fit the description, especially those with money.

i understand....

but we also live in a World totally corrupted by those very same men.

all will be good.

Sorry if ive overstepped my boundaries with you at all.

Anchor · 02-08-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by burgundia

she is "discovering " him slowly...certain traits are surfacing now...she is not in love with him.

Sounds to me like co-dependency.

THE eXchanger · 02-08-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by burgundia

she is "discovering " him slowly...certain traits are surfacing now...she is not in love with him. she says he is fun being around. they enjoy the same things like cooking or travelling.he also abuses alcohol but is never violent, just goes to sleep. i described his vices but....there are thousands of men that would fit the description, especially those with money.

if you want to really discover a man,
put a wick under him, and, light a flame,
that makes him simmer, a little more, than he is comfortable with ...

you will find out very quickly,
how he reacts, and, he will show, his true colours

this works equally well, with women, as, it does with men

Jacqui D · 02-08-2009, 11:00 PM

If your intuition makes you feel uneasy with anyone then i think you should get out of that relationship.
Some have become trapped in life's situations, but if someone changed before my eyes i would know all was not right with that person.
I have seen this for myself in my own close family.
There are such things as walk ins maybe this was one of those scenarios.

I have seen people's faces change before me, just walking past people in the street.
I have also seen my sisters clone and my husband's that's freaked me out, sometimes i wonder if time has changed and i see them in a different time zone, then it gets really weird.

The reality of this world has started breaking down more and more people will begin to see things differently, time will not be as we have known it before, some have already seen the atoms in out atmosphere breaking through, soon things will become stranger than ever, the Attawa time machine that keeps this reality ongoing has now been slowing down since 2008, without the code and the technology the race on this earth who have kept us enslaved do not have the means to start the Attawa again it is now dysfunctional and time as we know it will change.
So there will be many glitches, many will start seeing these things, some will go mad with the strange experiences they will encounter, but Avalonians will be strong we have all been brought here for a reason and we will survive as long as you have love in your heart and be true to your spirit and soul you WILL COME THROUGH THIS!

LOve to all my friends here

Humble Janitor · 02-10-2009, 02:46 AM

I've often felt like my negative side would come out and I'd just be this snarling, sneering mess of a human being. I'd have the ability to concentrate every negative thought inside of me to project a side of myself that I do not like to show.

Then, there is the positive side where I'm smiling, "glowing" and it seems impossible to break my spirit.

What eXchanger said makes sense, the part about negative and positive poles.

futureyes · 02-09-2009, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by burgundia

My friend, who is in her 40-ies and the most down-to-earth person I know, has a friend/partner/lover. He lives in a different city so she visits him mainly during weekends and they also go on holiday together. he is very rich. And this is what happened when she visited him last time.

they were both sitting by the fireplace and talking. They both were facing the fireplace so sitting sideways to each other.
At a certain moment she looked at him and said that he was different. It was still him but his face changed. she used the words " I saw a devil"( that traditional devil-like image: black hair combed to the back of his head, then something like long, wide, black sideburns, etc. I'd say a Mephistopheles looks). he looked like that for about 5 minutes before changing again to his normal appearance. she says that it was the light from the fire that probably played a trick and her brain interpreted the image in this way. she always finds "rational" interpretations to everything more willingly admitting that it was her brain that tricked her. Strangely enough, she wasn't shocked by what she was seeing.
The man is very successful in any enterprise he undertakes. Whatever he does it always bring him money. she described him as self-centered, not caring about other people, narcissistic, egoistic.
If you can explain what could have happened there, please do.

i have read this earlier burgundia but have had to be with it for a while ...

your friend was sitting with this man in front of the fireplace ...
fire is a facilitator which removes illusion ... facades ...
flame brings with it clarity ...
truth ...

my intuition speaks not of the man being this or that ... my intuition speaks what your friend saw was guidance for her own self ... for her future ...

tells me not that this man is or isn't a devil ... the point ... the guidance i feel is for her self ... that this individual is not meant to be in her future with her ...

guidance from her higher self came in the form of his face appearing to be that of the devil ... it isn't about the devil ... it is about what the devil is representative of ... the imbalance of energy ... too dense and much too heavy ... staying with him i believe would bring imbalance to her own life ...

and my gut speaks much heartache with that ...

fire allows us to see what might have been obscured for us with truer clarity ...

and she did ... and she is processing it ... and she will come to her truth about him in accordance with what she seen and felt ...

and also there is a reason why you posted this burgundia ... and it is a valuable and significant teaching for all of us ...

more about allowing for our guidance ... being open and not fearful of what we receive and how we receive it ...

if it is true guidance we receive ... it is not meant to place fear upon us ... only to gently direct us by ways we know to allow and understand it ...

and if we choose ... incorporate it within our lives ...

if she was to dismiss what she seen and felt because she feared it ... then perhaps later she would have been saying ... "i should have listened that day i seen what i seen ..."

how many times have we all said that in our experiences ...

we are shifting away from that now ... no longer dismissing our guidance but rather ... connecting to our higher selves ...

not with ego ... not with drama ... not with stories ...
not about that ...

rather ... it is about basic guidance in its truest form ...

incorporating it into our lives as we do breathing ...
and we'll be doing so ... this is new and exciting ... and it will just be ...

there will come a time when we won't even "think" about it or separate it out anymore when it comes ... but intutively ... live it ...

thanks burgundia ... i've learned much from this thread ...

burgundia · 02-09-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by futureyes

i have read this earlier burgundia but have had to be with it for a while ...

your friend was sitting with this man in front of the fireplace ...
fire is a facilitator which removes illusion ... facades ...
flame brings with it clarity ...
truth ...

my intuition speaks not of the man being this or that ... my intuition speaks what your friend saw was guidance for her own self ... for her future ...

tells me not that this man is or isn't a devil ... the point ... the guidance i feel is for her self ... that this individual is not meant to be in her future with her ...

guidance from her higher self came in the form of his face appearing to be that of the devil ... it isn't about the devil ... it is about what the devil is representative of ... the imbalance of energy ... too dense and much too heavy ... staying with him i believe would bring imbalance to her own life ...

and my gut speaks much heartache with that ...

fire allows us to see what might have been obscured for us with truer clarity ...

and she did ... and she is processing it ... and she will come to her truth about him in accordance with what she seen and felt ...

and also there is a reason why you posted this burgundia ... and it is a valuable and significant teaching for all of us ...

more about allowing for our guidance ... being open and not fearful of what we receive and how we receive it ...

if it is true guidance we receive ... it is not meant to place fear upon us ... only to gently direct us by ways we know to allow and understand it ...

and if we choose ... incorporate it within our lives ...

if she was to dismiss what she seen and felt because she feared it ... then perhaps later she would have been saying ... "i should have listened that day i seen what i seen ..."

how many times have we all said that in our experiences ...

we are shifting away from that now ... no longer dismissing our guidance but rather ... connecting to our higher selves ...

not with ego ... not with drama ... not with stories ...
not about that ...

rather ... it is about basic guidance in its truest form ...

incorporating it into our lives as we do breathing ...
and we'll be doing so ... this is new and exciting ... and it will just be ...

there will come a time when we won't even "think" about it or separate it out anymore when it comes ... but intutively ... live it ...

thanks burgundia ... i've learned much from this thread ...

Thank you for your interpretation. and thanks to all contributors.

Orion11 · 02-09-2009, 03:55 PM

best advice......

If there is a human whos main focus is money and self.. stay away from them.

02-07-2009, 10:27 PM	#2
Delphi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 126	Re: I need your interpretation of the event I have seen faces slip into other lives quite often but only on one occasion have i seen horns. Decades ago on a sunny day in a very smart part of Lindon WI somebody had the nerve to pinch my bum. I turned round and the man I saw was grinning and for the briefest instant i saw little horns through his hair and the sky turned darker. It was so unsettling I have not forgotten it. Burgundia, for me the trigger word in your description of your friend's lover was narcissistic. No narcissist is really present in a relationship, however charming they might appear. love to all

02-08-2009, 07:40 AM	#4
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: I need your interpretation of the event she is "discovering " him slowly...certain traits are surfacing now...she is not in love with him. she says he is fun being around. they enjoy the same things like cooking or travelling.he also abuses alcohol but is never violent, just goes to sleep. i described his vices but....there are thousands of men that would fit the description, especially those with money.

02-08-2009, 11:00 PM	#8
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: I need your interpretation of the event If your intuition makes you feel uneasy with anyone then i think you should get out of that relationship. Some have become trapped in life's situations, but if someone changed before my eyes i would know all was not right with that person. I have seen this for myself in my own close family. There are such things as walk ins maybe this was one of those scenarios. I have seen people's faces change before me, just walking past people in the street. I have also seen my sisters clone and my husband's that's freaked me out, sometimes i wonder if time has changed and i see them in a different time zone, then it gets really weird. The reality of this world has started breaking down more and more people will begin to see things differently, time will not be as we have known it before, some have already seen the atoms in out atmosphere breaking through, soon things will become stranger than ever, the Attawa time machine that keeps this reality ongoing has now been slowing down since 2008, without the code and the technology the race on this earth who have kept us enslaved do not have the means to start the Attawa again it is now dysfunctional and time as we know it will change. So there will be many glitches, many will start seeing these things, some will go mad with the strange experiences they will encounter, but Avalonians will be strong we have all been brought here for a reason and we will survive as long as you have love in your heart and be true to your spirit and soul you WILL COME THROUGH THIS! LOve to all my friends here

02-10-2009, 02:46 AM	#9
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: We don't know anything about them as real people I've often felt like my negative side would come out and I'd just be this snarling, sneering mess of a human being. I'd have the ability to concentrate every negative thought inside of me to project a side of myself that I do not like to show. Then, there is the positive side where I'm smiling, "glowing" and it seems impossible to break my spirit. What eXchanger said makes sense, the part about negative and positive poles.

02-09-2009, 03:55 PM	#12
Orion11 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,098	Re: I need your interpretation of the event best advice...... If there is a human whos main focus is money and self.. stay away from them.