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View Poll Results: Do you think this information contains spiritual truths about reality here on Earth
YES... I can accept this does contain 'spiritual truths' within it. 77 79.38%
NO... It does not resonate with me at all. 20 20.62%
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:11 AM   #1
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Extraordinary claims demand Extraordinary proof.
Why ? Isn't that just part of the 3D conditioning that is keeping everyone from seeing the light?

Can one not simply read the words, take those that resonate as true and discard the rest?

Inside each incarnated human, tucked away, is the truth. One doesn't need a scientific method to tease that it out, one needs oneself looking in. Resonance can give one the clues where to look for the truth.

(Excuse the convoluted use of impersonal form of "one" but I was trying to avoid sounding like I was addressing anyone specific.)

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Old 10-27-2008, 01:47 PM   #2
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Why ? Isn't that just part of the 3D conditioning that is keeping everyone from seeing the light?

Can one not simply read the words, take those that resonate as true and discard the rest?

Inside each incarnated human, tucked away, is the truth. One doesn't need a scientific method to tease that it out, one needs oneself looking in. Resonance can give one the clues where to look for the truth.

(Excuse the convoluted use of impersonal form of "one" but I was trying to avoid sounding like I was addressing anyone specific.)

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Yea, that is really it. Many people are too out of touch with their inner clarity to be able to discern truth. The whole attitude of "demanding proof" just a passive way to deny self-responsability ("someone else must tell me what is true or not as I myself is no able to discern it for myself"). Why is truth not something that can be proven? Because looking for proof is just the intellect chasing its own tail in an endless game. It's like Descartes trying to prove that he exist because he thinks. A silly and futile game. In the introduction to the Ra material they quote an ET being called Hatonn:

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There is going to be a Harvest, as you might call it, a harvest of souls that will shortly occur upon your planet. We are attempting to extract
the greatest possible harvest from this planet. This is our mission, for
we are the Harvesters.

In order to be most efficient, we are attempting to create first a state of
seeking among the people of this planet who desire to seek. This would
be those who are close to the acceptable level of vibration. Those above
this level are of course not of as great an interest to us since they have,
you might say, already made the grade. Those far below this level,
unfortunately, cannot be helped by us at this time. We are attempting
at this time to increase by a relatively small percentage the number who
will be harvested into the path of love and understanding.
Even a small percentage of those who dwell upon your planet is a vast
number, and this is our mission, to act through groups such as this one
in order to disseminate information in such a fashion that it may be
accepted or rejected, that it may be in a state lacking what the people of
your planet choose to call proof.

We offer them no concrete proof, as they have a way of expressing it.
We offer them Truth. This is an important function of our mission—to
offer Truth without proof. In this way, the motivation will, in each and
every case, come from within the individual. In this way, the individual
vibratory rate will be increased. An offering of proof or an impressing of
this Truth upon an individual in such a way that he would be forced to
accept it would have no usable effect upon his vibratory rate.
This, then, my friends, is the mystery of our way of approaching your
peoples.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/4621673/Te...f-One-Books-IV

It's good to be reminded that each and everyone knew what they were going to by coming here at this time. Of course, this is forgotten when we incarnate. The higher you evolve the more you "remember". The more you get rid of the earthly conditioning the more your true eternal identity and knowledge is allowed to shine through. All aware beings are talking about 2012 and these things. There are no "coincidences" and "accidents" in Creation. All is part of the same puzzle. People might have different interpretations of the totality of this puzzle based upon how many peices they have assembled and how well they have put them togehter. But in the end the puzzle includes everything that exists.

Also, I don't see this insider or any of the elite as an "enemy". I know they are just reflecting the human ego back to humanity in the external world in order for us to evolve out of its cruel and barbaric tendencies and towards evermore Love/Light/Truth. You cannot come further away from Truth than turning it inside out or upside down. Here is one of David Ickes favorite quotes:

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Just look at us. Everything is backwards. Everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information, and religion destroys spirituality. - Michael Ellner
The dark cabal of this world is simply an outer manifestation of humanities inner state. The ego is just a very small percentage of our total being which is one with all, and so the dark cabal is equally a very small percentage of the world population (or for that sake; the population of the universe). They are not the problem at all. They provide a great service to humanity. We should be grateful towards them for this and stop wasting energy to hate them. The human ego loves to project and blame things outside because deep down it knows that if a person start looking inside; that is the beginning of the end for the fearfeeding parasitic entity we call the ego. This parasitic entity feeds on all sorts of conflict and fear. It distort the perception of it's host in a major way to generate as much conflict and fear as possible because that is its nourishment. Most of humanity is still deep in the clutches of this nasty thing as its domination is very high in the lower end (below 200) of the scale of consciousness. The lower you go the more inside/out or upside down is your perception of reality.

Fortunatly, humanity (mass consciousness) is moving upwards and away from the influence of this global parasitic beast. Each indiviudal that is able to free him/her self from it has enormous impact on the mass consciousness. Think of the big difference between totalt darkness and what happens if you light a candle. That is the only way to "fight" darkness. Simply light a candle and you can use that to light other candles that are open for it.
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Old 10-28-2008, 12:48 AM   #3
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Yea, that is really it. Many people are too out of touch with their inner clarity to be able to discern truth. The whole attitude of "demanding proof" just a passive way to deny self-responsability ("someone else must tell me what is true or not as I myself is no able to discern it for myself"). Why is truth not something that can be proven? Because looking for proof is just the intellect chasing its own tail in an endless game. It's like Descartes trying to prove that he exist because he thinks. A silly and futile game. In the introduction to the Ra material they quote an ET being called Hatonn:
Sorry to demand proof from some/anyone that considers sharing spiritual enlightenment and truth a form of charity toward its 'subjects'....

And no, I as everyone else have a responsibility towards ourselves, and that is not to buy into the slick stories of snake oil salesmen.

And again, no, no one has to tell me that something is true or not.. I will judge that for myself, PENDING on the proof set forward. Your flavor and threshold for going on your knees may differ. And I wish you happiness and luck while you exercise that privelidge and continue to agree to be a 'subject'. However, don't project this onto others that won't kneel for ANYONE...
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Old 10-28-2008, 01:27 AM   #4
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This material resonates with me. It feels like a kind of sequel to the Insider material that went on at the godlikeproductions site, as well as the Jonathan material on youtube (user adampants2007 and adampants2008). Lots of hermetic ideas in this.

At any rate, I was thinking about this material all day at work. I'll keep it in mind. It resonates strongly with me.
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