Bill and Kerry Or Anybody. What Do You Think Of David Icke?

[Ampgod]

If I had to guess on if they were doing underground genetic testing in the past i'd probably bank on it.
I can only imagine the monstrosities that where created using probably unwilling human participants.



Ampgod

[draconine]

It is with great pain I interrupt my viewing of the David Icke talk linked earlier in this thread. I started off hoping to catch a few interesting points before I drifted off to sleep, but I now I lay awake as he goes on explaining huge phenomena in great clarity and remarkable insight.

The amount of information he gives away is so astounding that you can only wonder how he is permitted to keep talking. The way I see it, the self-inflicted wound to his reputation by mentioning reptilians is the only reason he gets away with spilling everything else. After all, how many people would buy a story like that? I find it hard to believe that he expected anything but ridicule after coming out with that. It now seems to me that the only way he could have pulled this off was to discredit himself to the point of being considered harmless.

We live in an age where information is more valuable than ever, while it's access is being manipulated more heavily than ever. The truth these days is worth more than gold. I need to finish this video.

[King Lear]

But he also makes great mistakes in his line of argument.
As David Wilcock and Alex Jones do too.

You cannot prove everything only by symbolism!

For example: first he shows a "Skull and Bones Symbol", then a photo of SS-Oberstgruppenführer Sepp Dietrich (Comander of the LSAH) wearing a fur cap with a big death's head symbol on it, then a picture of 1890-1918 of the German Kaiser Wilhelm II. wearing a fur cap with a death's head symbol on it too.

But what Icke and the others don't mention all these examples aren't related! If they were so, are pirates and the Jackass crew also a part of this big conspiracy of death? Because they too have a death's head as a symbol.

Now I will explain step by step why the particular persons/groups actually wore death's head symbols.

The SS: They took this symbol in 1919/20 not because they wanted to manage KZ's in 25 years and be death angels. No. It simply was a symbol for their intention to protect their "Führer" Hitler till death, i.e. that they would risk their own lives. SS=Schutzstaffel=Security Squad
And that's the reason why Sepp Dietrich wore it on that particuliar photo, and not because he was related to Skull & Bones or another worldwide conspiracy.

Also German Panzer troops had the death's head as a symbol on their collar patches, but they were absolutely not related to the SS! They just were a plain motorizised branch of the German military. Perhaps they wore this symbol on their collar patches, just because they saw themselves as a modern version of the Hussars.

The 2nd example: Kaiser Wilhelm II. He wore that fur cap just because it was a part of the Hussar's uniform (a cavalary unit) and he used to wear almost every day a different uniform of a different branch of military service. It was just to pay tribute to them and to show his respect. They weren't related to Skull & Bones, nor the SS, nor any conspiracy.
The Hussars, just as the SS, wore this symbol to show their intention to risk their lives!
http://www.kaisersbunker.com/pt/pelzmutze.htm



This whole false symbolism and all the false connections, which occur, is a bit like the UFO disease, which John Lear describes. I myself believe indeed in some conspiracies but we shall not make them up by false assumptions! That's a red herring.

David will be on Coast to Coast this week. Hoorah, another late night for me just so i can listen to the show!

[Orion Morris]

King Lear... I agree with you that you cannot prove everything just by symbolism. However, David Icke has never tried to prove everything just with symbolism. As for the Hussars and the SS, yes they wore the symbol as a their sign to show their willingness to risk their own lives but that is probably not the origin of the symbol. Just because the Jackass crew is not aware of what the symbol originally ment does not mean that the symbol holds the same meaning that it originally did.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

King Lear... I agree with you that you cannot prove everything just by symbolism. However, David Icke has never tried to prove everything just with symbolism. As for the Hussars and the SS, yes they wore the symbol as a their sign to show their willingness to risk their own lives but that is probably not the origin of the symbol. Just because the Jackass crew is not aware of what the symbol originally ment does not mean that the symbol holds the same meaning that it originally did.

Originally this symbol meant only death!
Nothing more nothing less.
It had no worth, nor negatative and nor positve.


But groups used this symbol and gave it a worth.
Skull and Bones took it and gave it a occult worth.

Others just took it just for military purpose, to express their willingness to risk their life.

And also we use it today to mark dangerous areas or dangerous ingrediences and the Jackass Crew uses it just for fun, to express the risk of their weird stunts.

But all uses of this symbol are independant and have no connection!
And there is no transition of a dark magical deeper sense in just re-using this simple symbol!

[Orion Morris]

Sorry King Lear.... Originally the symbol was used by the Knights Templar, so it is easy to see where Mr. Icke among others would connect the dots there with the secret societies.

[King Lear]

Knights Templar?
Do you have any proofs for that?

I only now that they used this white-black flag with a red cross pattée as a symbol.



If you make an allusion on the Baphomet, these are only assumptions.
There's no proof that this thing ever really existed, nor what it really was.
In fact it could have been also something positve, just misunderstood.
And we shall also not forget the negative propaganda which did hit the Templars after the French king started to wipe them out to gain their welth.

And I'm also sure that humans used this simple symbol even before the Templars. Just think of the Atzteks, the Mayans...

[Orion Morris]

Well I think you should do some research on the Skull and Crossbones symbol. Maybe you should read an Icke book or two. Also, I think that the negativity in the symbol speaks for itself with the visual image carries. I dont think you could argue that the symbol gives off good vibes.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

Well I think you should do some research on the Skull and Crossbones symbol. Maybe you should read an Icke book or two. Also, I think that the negativity in the symbol speaks for itself with the visual image carries. I dont think you could argue that the symbol gives off good vibes.

Sorry for that but I saw some lectures and movies of Mr. Icke, and that was enough for me.
I do agree with him on worldwide conspiracies which want to harm us, but in some particuliar things he is simply wrong, because he doesn't understand history properly. There is also the fact that he has a certain influencing ideologic background. He once was in the Green Party.


And why is the skull/death's head a priori negative?
We all have one under our skin, muscles and flesh.
In fact we are the death's head.

[Orion Morris]

What version of history are you talking about? The one that you learned in school? I really think you should read one of his books, there you could learn about why he was in the green party and why he left. You really cant judge him or say that he has the wrong version of history when you have never read his books. Plus history is never correct anyways because it is always tainted and rearranged to suit the side that one.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

What version of history are you talking about? The one that you learned in school? I really think you should read one of his books, there you could learn about why he was in the green party and why he left. You really cant judge him or say that he has the wrong version of history when you have never read his books. Plus history is never correct anyways because it is always tainted and rearranged to suit the side that one.

So, you want to say that in all the dozen hours of interviews, movies and lectures which I saw of him he doesn't say the same things he wrote in his books?!?

Man, I've read this stuff soooo many times in other books of the same genre. Authors like Marrs, Allan, van Helsing....

And yes, you're are right history is never written totally right.
One has to search and to check everything, but also one has not to merge it with esoteric believes. That is totally misleading.


And just for the files, I also concerned myself with history when I've left school. Indeed my whole living-room is full with history books.
So don't make a careless judgement of me.

[Jacqui D]

I have to say i am an ardent fan of david i have been reading his stuff and watching his videos for around 7 years.
David opened my eyes so to speak reading his book the children of the matrix was so fascinating that i couldn't put it down.
he has been reseaching this knowledge for many years says it how it is.
He has been ridiculed and put down but i think he has been very brave and stood up for his beliefs when all around him people have laughed and called him insane.
i absolutely believe in the reptilian race the are shapeshifting beings who are on this earth today.
And if you look about you it's not hard to see one believe me not in it's full form of course but the tell tale signs are there.
Look for the eyes they are generally black or snake like.
I have come across these creatures in the outer dimentions they are scary beings large in size with a skin rather like leather than scally but it does overlap giving it the appearance of scales.
They also have a habit of moistening their lips (licking their lips continuously)

I congratulate him on his work he has tirelessly proved without doubt that these beings do run our world it;s scary but true

Originally Posted by Patti

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[dragonfly]

Davide Icke is on C2C Radio tonight!

The first book I came across after 911 was "The Truth Shall Set You Free". That started my dive into what is really going on on all levels of control freaks. He has a lot of courage. Some of the info is on the weird meter, but what isn't anymore? All possibilies are possible.

Mr Icke seems over the years to have gone down one road and he only had so much info after that
i think he was pushed into coming up with new stuff for his books and fans, he was never going to turn round and say " thats all i know"

[Chiel]

Hi all,

David is talking about lizards and dr. Beagle talks about that too in his 4-part monologue, "Top of Illimunati is reptilian". It's sounds really weird, and a lot of the 'forum people' have difficulties with that kind of view. But off course it's possible.
Anybody can clearify or comment?

Love,
Chiel

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Folks:

Kerry and I were due to interview David Icke at the end of 2006, but he had to cancel at the last moment due to an emergency. Since then we've never been able to reschedule it - until now.

He's in San Francisco shortly, and we're both in California at the moment - so we're going to meet up and do the interview, probably in a couple of weeks.

I'm greatly lookng forward to it. His knowledge and intuition are both extremely high and my personal view is that in so far as as he's gone ahead of us all into this jungle, taking a lot of the heat - as has Jordan Maxwell, for instance, and of course quite a few other pioneers - he's made it MUCH easier for us to follow.

He's a brave man with the highest integrity who really knows his subject - and is unafraid to state what he thinks is or may be going on. We need more like him.

Very best to all - Bill

[Zelphael]

I am super excited to hear PCamelot will interview David Icke himself!

That will be one awesome video!

[Katherine]

Thank you, thank you - Bill & Kerry for getting a David Icke interview. I can't wait! He's truly AWESOME! I've never seen so much energy and passion when he gives a talk. It's inspiring! Makes one want to grab someone - anyone and give them a shake to wake them UP! WOW!
You two (too) are the best!
Love & Light
K

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I have read several David Icke books and I was wondering what people have thought of him. I do not personally know anybody who I can talk to face to face about this type of thing and not come across as a complete lunatic. I was wondering if "Bill or Kerry" or anybody for that matter has had a chance to personally speek with David?

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I was very lucky to meet and listen to David Icke for the 1st time in Coventry, England, many years ago, along with three friends. It was at this speech that he first disclosed information about Cathy O'Brien and explained how she had been a mind controlled slave for Presidents and drug dealers. He was very careful how he presented this information and it was clear that he only wanted to present the facts.

He has performed an immense task of 'telling what he knows' so that we could be better informed and prepared for events, which are all designed and lead to a carefully planned 'New World Order'.

He has been teaching this over, and over, for years now and yet he has never been swayed or bribed to shut up!

He stuck his neck on the line and faced ridicule for years before the penny started to drop and people finally began reading his books and listening to him.

I wonder how many of us here could do what he has done?

In one interview he tells how his son was tormented and bullied at school, simply because he was the son of David Icke.

How would YOU explain to YOUR son, that YOUR 'work' had to continue as it was important to help others, when he and your whole family are being scorned and ridiculed, just because of YOU and what YOU SAY?

It is clear to me, that virtually no one else could have done what HE has done, and stayed the course long enough to see the rewards of his work.

I am in AWE of his dedication and commitment to helping others.

Question:
Would YOU stand up and talk about Lizards and Reptilians and how 'they' can 'shape-shift' between dimensions or change their outward appearance?

Bet the answer is NO! - and the reason is because YOU don't want to LOOK or SOUND like an IDIOT, DO YOU?

YOU are frightened of what people might THINK!

Well, if YOU were David Icke and YOU had stayed the course like him, isn't it likely that people would recognise YOU as a man who is NOT frightened to expose the TRUTH? [same as Project Camelot]

Now if several people approached YOU in confidence and from different parts of the World, with different backgrounds and they ALL told YOU a similar story about how there are 'Lizards' or 'Reptilians' who can 'shape-shift' and change their appearance at will, or otherwise, what would YOU think?

Would YOU treat them all as IDIOTS, or would YOU interview and check out all their stories to see IF there could be ANY TRUTH in their stories?

And just suppose, after extensive research and futher direct contacts, etc., etc., this CRAZY story started to make SENSE and YOU believed it WAS in fact the TRUTH, WOULD YOU TALK ABOUT IT?

Would YOU stand up in a theatre and tell hundreds of people who have paid good money about 'Reptilians' and how they can 'shapeshift' into another dimension?

OR WOULD YOU SHUT UP AND TELL NO ONE, FOR FEAR OF WHAT PEOPLE MIGHT THINK...???

That is WHY David Icke IS what he IS, and WHY he tells us the TRUTH, no matter how FOOLISH it may make him APPEAR to YOU, to me or to others!

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You know something?

it's SILLY really...

we have REAL IDIOTS leading COUNTRIES AND Nations and controlling the destiny of the Planet, making Wars and mercilessly KILLING thousands of innocent human beings without a single tear being shed... and the strange thing is...

... THEY NEVER TELL US THE TRUTH...!!!


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A dream...

... If ONLY we could find a President, or a Prime Minister, with a FRACTION of David Icke's courage, persistence and determination to SINCERELY help others, we would ALL be so much CLOSER to A WORLD OF PEACE.

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Like David Icke, Kerry and Bill of Project Camelot are also recognised as exposing the Truth, even though some of the information is crazy, and that is also why the Whistleblowers know they can Trust them with their information!
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Don't believe in Lizards/Reptilians? - watch this and CONVINCE me it's a joke!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eaaubr3nnHI

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by By Jove Old Chap;8184... If ONLY we could find a President, or a Prime Minister, with a FRACTION of David Icke's courage, persistence and determination to SINCERELY help others, we would ALL be so much CLOSER to A WORLD OF PEACE.[/COLOR

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Don't believe in Lizards/Reptilians? - watch this and CONVINCE me it's a joke!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eaaubr3nnHI[/COLOR]

I have always admired David Icke,
he would be a gr8 person to interview ...
he tells it like it is, and, does NOT stand down !!!
An excellent definition Jove Old Chap,
you put a lovely spin on, "it takes one, to notice one"

It is refreshing to see threads that celebrate people,
who are doing what, we should be doing !!!

I look forward to hearing that interview

Brightest blessings to all

susan
the eXchanger

Well, I have not always admired David Icke.
It took me awhile to to fully understand his message and give him the benefit of the doubt.

However, after watching a few of his more recent videos I have come to respect the man.
Does he have all the answers? Of course not.
Does he have people's interests in mind? I believe he does.
Does he make some kind of a 'living' off of what he tells people? Yes.
However, I do not care. Because he doesn't charge for EVERYthing.
He does give a lot away and I see no problem with people trying to make a living.
I do not see this man as 'Rich'.

I see him as a person that is trying to do the right thing.
He is a 'Herald', a 'Town Crier'.
Some have called him a Prophet. Most people (that I know) misunderstand that term.
To be a Prophet in the sense of what David Icke is teaching means to Bring people back to the Truth.
I know many people and if you ask them what a prophet is they will mostly say: A Person that sees the future.

That is not what David Icke is. He is simply trying to Bring the Truth to People.
Or maybe better put: Reconciliation toward the Truth.

Many of the Old Testament 'Prophets' did just that.
This is why they were not liked very well.
The Truth was the last thing they wanted to hear....

[Zelphael]

I agree with your post 'By Jove Old Chap', he is a man of courage and you know what they say about prophets... they are never accepted in their home town (and I'll add, sometimes never at all).

Not saying that he is a prophet of God, haha... just an emissary of truth.

[martrixmel]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I have read several David Icke books and I was wondering what people have thought of him. I do not personally know anybody who I can talk to face to face about this type of thing and not come across as a complete lunatic. I was wondering if "Bill or Kerry" or anybody for that matter has had a chance to personally speek with David?

david icke opened my eyes,which eventually led to all else....