Why making God unfashionable never works..

[aroundthetable]

Please kindly resist the urge to post long tracts of dialogue, it stands more chance of being read and digested and i believe it is more respectful of everyones intelligence.

Are there any Muslims or Jews or any other faiths that would like to share personal realisations from their scriptures?

[beren]

Originally Posted by aroundthetable

Please kindly resist the urge to post long tracts of dialogue, it stands more chance of being read and digested and i believe it is more respectful of everyones intelligence.

Are there any Muslims or Jews or any other faiths that would like to share personal realisations from their scriptures?

Pardon me sir

[aroundthetable]

Originally Posted by beren

Pardon me sir

Lol Beren, believe me i share your enthusiasm in these matters

Hey Beren, how about a personal favourite or inspiring gem from the bible that you like? No not the whole book!!!

[THE eXchanger]

deciding to come to this world for almost 52 years
was a real waste of time ~ GOOD GOD ???

[aroundthetable]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

deciding to come to this world for almost 52 years
was a real waste of time ~ GOOD GOD ???

Well as long as we are here, lets do the right thing by each other, and then get the hell outta here!!

[truth and integrity]

Originally posted bytruthseekerdan
Some parts of the today's Bible are deliberately manipulated (changed), and some also poorly translated. However, some parts fortunately still unchanged.

I was curious about it and I did some research. I was shocked that they started as you said deliberate manipulation almost 200 years ago and they are still doing it today.

That's why when reading the Bible, in order to understand it properly one has to be a bit more spiritually grown up.

It is so true. It took me many years to seek enlightenment through eastern spiritual philosophy, from Buddhism, Raja Yoga, to Chakras. I have never read The Bible until recently. There is such a deep wisdom.

[truthseekerdan]

Originally Posted by truth and integrity

I was curious about it and I did some research. I was shocked that they started as you said deliberate manipulation almost 200 years ago and they are still doing it today.



It is so true. It took me many years to seek enlightenment through eastern spiritual philosophy, from Buddhism, Raja Yoga, to Chakras. I have never read The Bible until recently. There is such a deep wisdom.

I'm glad and happy that you realized that my friend.
Please feel free to share your knowledge on this thread.

Love and light,

Dan

[truth and integrity]

I am so glad that there are here people like you. It is not so trendy any more to talk about the Bible in this New Age Movement Era.

[truthseekerdan]

Inspirational verse of the day:

Matthew 18:3 (New International Version)

3. And he (Jesus) said: "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven".



With Love,

Dan

[greybeard]

Good morning One and all.
Spiritual is a bit like down the rabbit hole.
The further you go the more you discover to keep or put aside.
Ultimate Truth. Only God Is.
However that is not helpful to where we are at the moment.
There is no ego just a bundle of thoughts claiming to be I.
Thats not helpful to begin with.

Without being judgmental its surprises me that at least some Christians dont know the history of the Bible. Its first big alteration was at the Council of Nancia around about 400AC. I have the essence not the detail.
Books of the original bible were dropped, Revelations was brought in.
All reference to past life was dropped except one about John the Baptist.

I therfore place my faith in the word of those here and now who are enlightened including those of recent history ie Ramana, Nasargadatta, Yogananda who's words were faithfully coppied and put in book while they were still alive.
Who knows for sure what was said thousands of years ago, though the essence remains.

Of all, without exception, that I have read, Dr David Hawkins gives the most detailed information on the path to enlightenment and what the state of enlightenment is from an experiential position. Not written by followers, not written after death, written by him.

Web site
http://www.veritaspub.com/

His life history can be found on the site.
We tend to think if some one is of our time and place ( a prophet in his own country etc) then the teaching cant be as valid as one from India, Nepal or another century. Need that be so?
Enlightenment is enlightenment.
Enlightenment is to be in Christ consciousness.
Namaste
Chris

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

deciding to come to this world for almost 52 years
was a real waste of time ~ GOOD GOD ???

The fun's just begining dearest Ones... patience of the saints, we are here Now to bring in a New Earth, a Golden Age unsurpassed in Earth history, and we'll do so by bringing in first a New us ~ Rebirth ~ caterpillar Be's the Butterfly ~ old wine surrender, new wine of Christ consciousness fills the Holy Grail (US!)...

Abundant Life made manifest, coming to Planet Earth in the Now... Now!

[beren]

Originally Posted by aroundthetable

Lol Beren, believe me i share your enthusiasm in these matters

Hey Beren, how about a personal favourite or inspiring gem from the bible that you like? No not the whole book!!!

There are many gems, I give few of them now...

Psalm 15 (New International Version)

Psalm 15
A psalm of David.
1 LORD, who may dwell in your sanctuary?
Who may live on your holy hill?

2 He whose walk is blameless
and who does what is righteous,
who speaks the truth from his heart

3 and has no slander on his tongue,
who does his neighbor no wrong
and casts no slur on his fellowman,

4 who despises a vile man
but honors those who fear the LORD,
who keeps his oath
even when it hurts,

5 who lends his money without usury
and does not accept a bribe against the innocent.
He who does these things
will never be shaken.





John 17:20-26 (New International Version)

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: 23I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."

[Steven]

Originally Posted by aroundthetable

...Are there any Muslims or Jews or any other faiths that would like to share personal realisations from their scriptures?

I am baptized catholic, but sincerely, the native american branch of my genealogy is really stronger in my spirituality. Nevertheless, I am 40 years old now and my experiences through out the world brought me so many different contacts with other religions, that I really feel at a "crossroad of faith".

I feel to be a man of all religion, or none. It is no more important to me at this time. What I really feel to be important is being in close contact with the spirit of Creation who dwells into my heart, in our hearts. This is for the introspection part and as well for the extrospection part, I contemplate Creation's action in nature, so it gives me an insight on how it behaves, feels, its way...

I like to observe animals and humans in their most natural reflexes, so I can have a bit of "understanding" on how we were made, why we are here and where we are going. I like to observe physics and its laws, so it gives me a hint on how balance and harmony are maintained.

Really, my sens of religion is from the love I feel for living and for nature. My sens of Creation/Creator is "sensing" this presence "animating" every creatures at the center of their essence.

I like to use the term "Creation" instead of "Creator" or "God" for two reasons. The first is because Creation includes all creatures into one being, sentient and feeling. The second reason is because Creation has a feminine concept in my own personal symbolism language. It is very personal of course and can be totally absurd for others ...

Namaste, Steven

[greybeard]

Beren is correct. Humility is the key.

One translation of the word ego is "sin"
The ego is a separation device, it gives the impression that you are in sole control of what happens in your life, that it is the creator, except when it goes wrong then it manufacture an enemy.
It ignores God, it has no humility.

Much has been written on the subject on "the ego what is it? how to transcend" thread.

Hope you dont mind me mentioning it on this great thread "aroundthetable"
By the way you have started me reading the Gita again. Time well spent.
Chris
Namaste

[aroundthetable]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Much has been written on the subject on "the ego what is it? how to transcend" thread.

Hope you dont mind me mentioning it on this great thread "aroundthetable"
By the way you have started me reading the Gita again. Time well spent.
Chris
Namaste

Here is a Gita quote regarding ego,
Ch 3 Tx 27

The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature.

[Humble Janitor]

It is not fashionable to shun organized religion. It is common sense.

[14 Chakras]

Nice one Beren I agree.

I'll take it a step further and say that I believe Jesus message was that we are the Christ, we are Suns and Daughters of God when we awaken from our amnesia and surrender our own illusions of lack and limitation.

Of course we haven't been acting like the Christ here, and that has been our choice. We can either Be the Christ, or we can be the ego. That's our choice. God's chosen One's are those who choose to BE.

Originally Posted by beren

Ortho, for a start, go read Bible again but now with different attitude. With open mind and heart. Words like "religion, church,pastor,..." or many other things are products of Churchianity throughout time.

This is a verse from John 4:23,24

Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

See the message? Crystal clear, no building needed or rituals or services or whatever man invented under term "religion".
Really if people can only stop for a moment and really think about Christ`s message and words ,their world would turn upside down.
The thing is that Christ was not talking about religion or whatever they labeled him.
He was talking that we should as humanity awake and take our place in universe at Creator`s side and fulfill our destiny as children of Creator.

But they killed him because he was sparking inner changes in people, and when they are free ,leeches can`t abuse them anymore because they would rather die that be slaves again, slaves to habits,people,institutions,books,rituals,dogmas... DARKNESS... We are made in the image of God and we will take our righteous place soon, as the children of the light.

It is that simple ,the message of Christ.

[lisa]

Originally Posted by beren

Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth."

See the message? Crystal clear

This passage is made of elements that divide people of different religions:

• you get a sure pass through the gates of heaven when others go to hell
• you are "the chosen ones" and better than others

Like you said, the Bible has been tempered with. Perhaps the passage is inserted to misguide people?

There are many Gods of different religions who want us to worship them and be fearful of them, why pick one over the other?
There are gems in scriptures of different religions, why devote ourselves to one in exclusion of others?

Like many have said here, we can look within ourselves and find truths.
And we are with Creation from within.

Having said that, I do tag along my friends to church gatherings of different religions.
And I very much enjoy the company even though I don't always agree with the teachings.

[beren]

Lisa, I think that message is clear. But our minds are in deep confusion. We are persuaded from the dawn of humanity that actually what we see isn`t like that .

People see these words and they think that it must be something different because it can`t be that simple.

It can.

But the wonder of Creator is that truth like that ,stated in the passage you quoted from mine reply speaks of essence ,but when you actually dig deeper ,you find many facets of truth along with it...and you finally come to conclusion that even the first statement was the truthful one which encircle the point.

[greybeard]

Hi Lisa
Language is so useless when it comes to spiritual its of the heart not the mind.

The bible has been re translated, not written till after Jesus had been dead many years.
Yet the essence of what Jesus says remains.

For myself and not being of any religion. I feel that God is LOVE and does not judge us.
On death we gravitate to the realm concordant with our spiritual vibration, a vibration we have created through our intent and action, judgment is not necessary.
Jesus said "In my fathers house are many mansions"

When I read anything spiritual, possibly you do the same, I ask myself, "Is that coming from love or creating fear?" Fear cant come from God.
The old testament is the way that people viewed god at that time.

God dosent need our prayers or anything from us, we need Him and we need to pray and have humility and gratitude. God is unconditional love, there is no requirement of us, we all deserve love and loved we are but we must ask for it. Its not forced on us.
Our actions do have consequences though. Every action brings us closer to the Love or further away, raises or lowers our vibration.

God is the totality all of it, has no needs or desires, we cant please or displease Him.
He is complete.
God will never be out of fashion.
All this is my belief -- not saying it is so.
Chris

[truthseekerdan]

[truthseekerdan]

Life wouldn't be so complex if everyone knew that each person is a part of God and that even one person's energy is so powerful that it affects multitudes.

The soul is the very essence of life as it first sprang from Creator.
It is an indestructible living entity of light energy that may have a physical body, etheric body or astral body, or it may exist in free spirit only.

Our souls, manifested by God through His co-creating powers with Creator, are expressions of the love and light of God and contain in microcosm every essence of God.

In any of its forms, the soul is an inviolate independent being at the same time it exists inseparably with God and Creator and all other souls in the cosmos.

Your thoughts and feelings of love and caring for others are prayers.
These can be at any time, in any place, with any words or no words, only feelings.
The effects of prayer are directly related to the intent and intensity of the thoughts and feelings.

God never meant churches to be buildings of any kind.
The magnificent cathedrals are man's idea, not God's.
Church is all within the soul. Church is one's feelings of reverence, of thanksgiving.
It is the uplifting of the spirit into the love and light of God.
In this way, church is a single prayer that has the ability to touch the universe.

[beren]

Here`s another gem:


Matthew 5:13-16 (New International Version)

Salt and Light

13"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. 14"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. 15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.






and verse 20:


For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

[lisa]

Thanks Steven, I share your point of view and you express it way better than I do.

Beren & Truthseekerdan, you guys are gonna crucify me for this...
Nevertheless, I buy Billy Meier's story:

• ET Gabriel got Mary pregnant with Jmmanuel (whom we call Jesus).
• So when Jesus look to the sky and say "Father", he is calling ET Gabriel.
• God for the ETs (according to Meier) is the most knowledgeable or spiritually evolved person in their society.
• We got the word God from them when they came to rule us in the past.
• Besides that, ETs believe that there is a Creation greater than "God".

[greybeard]

[*]Besides that, ETs believe that there is a Creation greater than "God".[/LIST][/QUOTE]

Hi Lisa
Could I recommend that you read Dr David Hawkins "Power versus Force"

http://www.veritaspub.com/

He is a modern mystic and fully enlightened.

He has developed a map of consciousness in which there is there is lowest life form consciousness vibration calibration given up through levels of animal, human to enlightenment on through various levels of God on up to got the Ultimate God which is infinity.

God is the totality all of it including all realms, there is no where God is not and that obviously includes ETs.

Not saying im right but I believe D Hawkins is.

Chris