Westboro Baptist Church Heckled outside Twitter HQ

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by raulduke

So I guess this means that your new avatar is less than genuine?

For the record I never called you a hater, asked if you belong here, or tried to stifle you in any way. On the contrary rather, I asked you to elaborate several times, though the only thing I really wanted an answer to is, did you choose to be heterosexual?

To be honest though, your logic is so foreign to me that I've lost any expectation that I may ever sympathise with your views. So it is my suggestion that we all simply agree to to disagree.

It's genuine, as far as the Mods seem to understand me.
They seem to understand that I'm not just a "hater" but deeply concerned about the state of our culture and civilization. And that everyone has freedom of speech.


And perhaps you personally didn't call me a "hater", but it's what "open-minded" liberal-esoterics think when they have to listen to the issue from another perspective! I never meant you personally.
And I certainly can live with the fact that you disagree with me. That's your right! At least you're honest.


You want to say, that homosexuals didn't choose the way they are, they were just created like that? By asking me this rethorical question you want to hear if I as an heterosexaul choosed to be heterosexual? Ok. Fair enough

But, I could ask you the same:
Did pedophiles and necrophiles choose what they are?
Weren't they created like that too?

But have we as a society to accept their ways then???


And before you cry out: "Don't compare homosexuals to peds and necros!"
It's just a rhetorical question, a technical question, like yours my friend.

[rustanddust]

where are we ?

[Anchor]

I am an advocate of King Lear being allowed to speak his mind - in a moderate and forum guideline compliant manner

Discussion of the vaious 'isms - racism, sexism, nationalism, etc ALWAYS will draw fire from polarized views and are forum dynamite usually. Dynamite needs careful and sensitive handling.

Just remember that these things can always be discussed but that there is an over-riding need to do this with respect and sensitivity for the views of all. If you cant abide by that constraint, then you can't be allowed to continue on this forum.

With no reference to this thread - but to illustrate the degree of maturity it would be nice to see on this forum... One day I look forward to a no-holds barred disucssion of any form sexual perversion/dysfunction/etiquette - the whole works - that does not require a single post to be reported to the moderators !

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[ontario's northland]

I have read this entire thread so far, and must say, I agree with King Lear in most if not all of his concerns. I see many organizations who hold gatherings and special "marches" or "walks" and have NEVER EVER seen them wearing little or (next to nothing) clothing on! Why on God's green earth do homosexuals who march, and I agree with them marching...BUT why do they have to march naked or as close to it as they can??? I mean really???? what's that all about???? I mean can they not get their point across with clothes on?? Others organizations do. That to me is a legit concern!

[morguana]

wow, i am compleatly astounded at the way this has gone........
my kids know about sex, and they are 4 and 7, they know about transexuals, homosexuality, and the fact that their bodies are their own, good grief, is there any hope for humanity with these attitudes i have just been reading?
where is your compassion?
love?
nonjudgement?
for heavens sake......do you want to assend or not?
m x
ps......homosexual relationships happens in most species, go look it up

golly they even know what a chromosone is

[Jonah]

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all children of god....

[morguana]

Originally Posted by Jonah

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all children of god....

jonah that was truely beautifull, thank you sooooo much
love
m x

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by morguana

wow, i am compleatly astounded at the way this has gone........
my kids know about sex, and they are 4 and 7, they know about transexuals, homosexuality, and the fact that their bodies are their own, good grief, is there any hope for humanity with these attitudes i have just been reading?
where is your compassion?
love?
nonjudgement?
for heavens sake......do you want to assend or not?
m x
ps......homosexual relationships happens in most species, go look it up

golly they even know what a chromosone is

Perhaps it happens in most species, but only in a part of thousandth, i.e. it isn't the norm, otherwise the species would be extinct!

And what astounds me is, that your 4 and 7 year-olds know of homosexuality and transsexuality. Woman have you no decency?
How can you burden children's minds with something like that?!?

All these homosexual-apologists!
What is next?
In 10 years pedophiles say that it is normal and part of the "diverse" human sexuality to be a pedophile. And then they come and make pressure on politics to be emancipated.

And what will you homosexual-apologists say then?
"That's disgusting!"???
Betcha
But then the pedos will say "Oh you're just a hater" "You discriminate us!" "It is fact that our bodies our own!" "Where is your compassion?"

And before some of you homosexuals and homosexual-apologists scream out after this analogy:
"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to pedophiles!"

think twice, because in this analogy the pedos would say the same:

"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to necrophiles!"

It's only a step further... and further... and further...

Everything made to destroy our traditions, families and our society.

[no caste]

Originally Posted by King Lear

Perhaps it happens in most species, but only in a part of thousandth, i.e. it isn't the norm, otherwise the species would be extinct!
And what astounds me is, that your 4 and 7 year-olds know of homosexuality and transsexuality. Woman have you no decency?
How can you burden children's minds with something like that?!?

On account of that, I just pushed the Report button. You should wash your mouth with rose water, buster. (It tastes like soap.)

It's offensive. Like Morguana said, check genetics etc. Bye. Wait, your pedophile facts are incorrect, too, male sexual violence is usually 'heterosexual.'

[morguana]

Originally Posted by King Lear

Perhaps it happens in most species, but only in a part of thousandth, i.e. it isn't the norm, otherwise the species would be extinct!
And what astounds me is, that your 4 and 7 year-olds know of homosexuality and transsexuality. Woman have you no decency?
How can you burden children's minds with something like that?!?

All these homosexual-apologists!
What is next?
In 10 years pedophiles say that it is normal and part of the "diverse" human sexuality to be a pedophile. And then they come and make pressure on politics to be emancipated.

And what will you homosexual-apologists say then?
"That's disgusting!"???
Betcha
But then the pedos will say "Oh you're just a hater" "You discriminate us!" "It is fact that our bodies our own!" "Where is your compassion?"

And before some of you homosexuals and homosexual-apologists scream out after this analogy:
"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to pedophiles!"
think twice, because in this analogy the pedos would say the same:
"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to necrophiles!"

It's only a step further... and further... and further...
Everything made to destroy our traditions, families and our society.

king lear we live in a multi cultral society, and that means that we mix with all sorts, i do not judge a person by their differences, if none is harmed and all involved are concenting adults then what is the problem? i think a course in learning humility and love would be of benifit.

this post just says it all in my eyes, *sadly shakes head* i would like it left for all to see,

m

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by morguana

king lear we live in a multi cultral society, and that means that we mix with all sorts, i do not judge a person by their differences, if none is harmed and all involved are concenting adults then what is the problem? i think a course in learning humility and love would be of benifit.
this post just says it all in my eyes, *sadly shakes head* i would like it left for all to see,
m

What has "the multi cultural society" to do with the promotion of the aggressive homosexual ideology, especially on kids?
Blacks and Mexicans disapprove this agenda even more than Whites!

Originally Posted by morguana

i think a course in learning humility and love would be of benifit.
this post just says it all in my eyes, *sadly shakes head* i would like it left for all to see,
m

I could say the same to you orthodox Liberal!

You're such hypocrites! "Open-minded" my foot!
Everyone who isn't in line you ban!

And you always think that you are the better person.
Not sensing how self-righteous you're in fact!

For everyone who doesn't believe that people in the Project Avalon Forum
are so narrow-minded and behave like TPTB, which they alledgedly try to expose, will soon be disabused by my ban!

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by King Lear

Perhaps it happens in most species, but only in a part of thousandth, i.e. it isn't the norm, otherwise the species would be extinct!

And what astounds me is, that your 4 and 7 year-olds know of homosexuality and transsexuality. Woman have you no decency?
How can you burden children's minds with something like that?!?

All these homosexual-apologists!
What is next?
In 10 years pedophiles say that it is normal and part of the "diverse" human sexuality to be a pedophile. And then they come and make pressure on politics to be emancipated.

And what will you homosexual-apologists say then?
"That's disgusting!"???
Betcha
But then the pedos will say "Oh you're just a hater" "You discriminate us!" "It is fact that our bodies our own!" "Where is your compassion?"

And before some of you homosexuals and homosexual-apologists scream out after this analogy:
"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to pedophiles!"

think twice, because in this analogy the pedos would say the same:

"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to necrophiles!"

It's only a step further... and further... and further...

Everything made to destroy our traditions, families and our society.

Wow, your logic seems to be malfunctioning. I don't think I can continue to converse, so I'll leave you with a song. Peace.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by raulduke

Wow, your logic seems to be malfunctioning. I don't think I can continue to converse, so I'll leave you with a song. Peace.

Of course you can't continue to converse and understand my arguments!
Because you fundamentally oppose me and you're unable to hold up a mirror to yourself.


As it is the problem for all self-righteous homosexual-apoligists and "open-minded" orthodox Liberal esoterics.
That's the way your brains are constructed, you can never understand an opposing or different opinion about that!

It's the same with theists and atheist, different brain developement.
And I don't mean that as a ranking, they're simply differently configured.

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by King Lear

Of course you can't continue to converse and understand my arguments!

Almost.

I can't continue to converse because I understand your argument.

You think gay people are icky and you're afraid because they're trying to destroy your family values.

I disagree.

I'm not calling for you to be banned btw.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by raulduke

Almost.
I can't continue to converse because I understand your argument.
You think gay people are icky and you're afraid because they're trying to destroy your family values.
I disagree. I'm not calling for you to be banned btw.

No I don't think that gay people are icky per say!
But some are, the sexual extroverted and their political activists (as all political activists are icky) who want to force something on others which they don't want!

But I appreciate that you're not for banning a person with a different opinion!
Chapeau!

[Karen]

Originally Posted by King Lear

No I don't think that gay people are icky per say!
But some are, the sexual extroverted and their political activists (as all political activists are icky) who want to force something on others which they don't want!

But I appreciate that you're not for banning a person with a different opinion!
Chapeau!

It's not the opinion we ban for, but the attitude - are you being respectful to other members calling them coo-coo head?

[Karen]

I agree there's been a lot of social engineering going on - to destroy the family and on many fronts.

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[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by Karen

I agree there's been a lot of social engineering going on - to destroy the family and on many fronts.

The nuclear family only existed for economic reasons.

I would argue that it's also social-engineering to expect women to stay home and raise the family while the man goes out and does the work.

How soon we forget that women were the brewers and workers when the men were off fighting their silly wars. Women deserve more respect than the nuclear family.

If you're going to complain about the destruction of the family, you should understand where the idea of the family comes from. It's all economic and nothing more. People get married to transfer wealth.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

The nuclear family only existed for economic reasons.

I would argue that it's also social-engineering to expect women to stay home and raise the family while the man goes out and does the work.

How soon we forget that women were the brewers and workers when the men were off fighting their silly wars. Women deserve more respect than the nuclear family.

If you're going to complain about the destruction of the family, you should understand where the idea of the family comes from. It's all economic and nothing more. People get married to transfer wealth.

Interesting, that you "open-minded" "spiritual" esoterics coldly indicate the family as a unit which exists only to transfer wealth.
What a joke!
A family is certainly much more! And a family never was a "nuclear" family, before 1968 a family had 3-4 or more children!

And it's also not true that a woman was treated badly in being part of a family, that she "deserves something better".
These are all false delusions of the 1968-era.

Every woman who is part of a family, head of a family and has given life to children has done thousand times more than every
female attorney, female judge, female professor, female politician...

Because the mother ensures the survival of our human kind!
That's thousand times more than every bra burner could achieve!
What has the successful but childless female judge, politician, etc. at the end? Nothing, only loneliness and the certainty that with her, her branch of life will die out.


So, all this smearing about the family is false.
We've to return to the traditional family! All the social models like the "patchwork family" produce just dysfunctional pseudo families!

Let your common sense decide:
When was it better? 50 years ago with the traditional family or since 1968 with all these social models which do not work, especially homo-marriages and homo-families?

I choose the yesterday. Those were the days...*sing*



And another point about the homo-marriage, they always say that they're discriminated because they cannot do what heteros can do.
But technically that's not right!
A lesbian woman can marry a man, and a gay man can marry a woman.
So, they can do exactly the same as heteros can do!

Heteros are also not allowed to marry same sexes.
So, they're treated equally. Technically.

[Jonah]

Originally Posted by King Lear

Because the mother ensures the survival of our human kind!
That's thousand times more than every bra burner could achieve!
What has the successful but childless female judge, politician, etc. at the end? Nothing, only loneliness and the certainty that with her, her branch of life will die out.

But Mr. Lear that "branch" of life is dying out... It was our greatest fall as far as I can tell...The question is, what are you willing to do to make this situation better... and not just in your own "family" but to your fellow man who has had to choose this life same as you?

all of these questions are rehtorichal of corse.. i dont really care wut you do..Im sure your a decent person... just tryin to get you to embrace the love you have for all of god's creations man.. it's worth a shot.. if all else fails... we'll just have to ban you..

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by Karen

It's not the opinion we ban for, but the attitude - are you being respectful to other members calling them coo-coo head?

"coo-coo head"?!?
Is that such a dramatic profanity?

And I think I only used it in a generalized sense, not a personal.

Otherwise, you're free to delete or to defuse such "bad" words

[Karen]

Originally Posted by King Lear

"coo-coo head"?!?
Is that such a dramatic profanity?
And I think I only used it in a generalized sense, not a personal.
Otherwise, you're free to delete or to defuse such "bad" words

Overall in this thread your tone has been bombastic and somewhat insulting. This is obviously something you feel strongly about, but you have made some gross generalizations ... that do sound quite hateful.

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by morguana

wow, i am compleatly astounded at the way this has gone........

Yeah, me too, but don't forget that it's only a small, though very vocal minority here that seems to be in opposition to equality, which is the real issue as I see it.

@King Lear: I noticed you haven't responded to anything I've said here or answered my questions, though I am not surprised as the answers are likey to find you either hypocritical or simply ignorant.

Dude......where to begin? You've said so musch, I'll just review a few examples here.

Originally Posted by King Lear

It's really funny, apologists of homosexuality......

Wow, now were apologists? I'm not apologizing for anything here guy, just standing up for equal rights for all, which, clearly, you oppose.

Originally Posted by King Lear

Or a man who's whining: "if you prohibit me to marry this woman I'll go to the Supreme Court and sue you for discrimination!"

Ummm are you serious, is this really your agument? No one is preventing men and women from getting married.... this makes no sense, although if for some crazy reason that were the case, I'm positive that heterosexuals would want equal rights as well.

Originally Posted by King Lear

...we don't FEAR Homos!

We're just disgusted by their behaviour.

Ok, so let me get this straight, your argument here is that gay people should change their lifestyle because you think they're icky? You know you don't have to think about the sex constantly right?

Dude I think people who go to night clubs all spiffed up with leather jackets and crusty hair are icky, but I don't care what they do as long as they're not hurting anyone, I just steer clear of them, still wishing the best for 'em though.

I think it's strange that you've got all this respect for the equality in the freedom of speech yet you you have no sense of equality when it comes to accepting people for who they are.

Ok, this next part is the heart of the issue as I see it, and you didn't respond, so I'll quote myself here.

Originally Posted by raulduke

First of all nobody opted against "special rights" for gay people, it was against equal rights, like the ability to visit and make decisions for your significant other in the hospital in an emergency among others.

This is it, right here. It's not "special rights", it's equal, get it?

Letting gay people get married does not take any rights away from anyone else nor would it give them any rights not afforded to heterosexual couples.

Originally Posted by King Lear

That's certainly only propganda of the "haters" who don't belong in this "open-minded" forum

You say this in jest, but it's really spot on. Those stories are ridiculous.

[Jonah]

There has been no reason for a ban King Lear...
Allowance of an open minded discussion shall be had... with respect to all who participate...