Bill Ryan's thread

[qbeac]

Questions to Bill and Kerry:

Would it be possible for you (PC) to invite both David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford to this thread to debate the “Obama’s mystery” (same thing for the “real vs. faked-Bluebeam ET disclosure mystery”)?

I guess they might be quite busy, and a talking debate (by Skype) might be easier and not so time consuming as a writing one. But perhaps they wouldn’t mind showing up and giving us a few clues, or links, etc. Well, it’s just an idea.

Another idea: Would Dr. Steven Greer show up in this thread and let us (regular people) ask him questions?

[housemouse2]

Hi everyone,

I would like to add one other possibility for Obama. We have all heard of something called a "false flag" where the government does something and blames it on an enemy.

IMHO Obama is a false flag. He's very charming, likable and over all very entertaining. Like an actor, a Hollywood actor.

When Obama was first elected I found the magazines comparing him to previous presidents like Lincoln, JFK and Roosevelt rather disturbing. First he hadn't done anything yet but what I found most disturbing was the trio all died in office.

I recall an awful lot of predictions of Obama being assassinated. The new reported he receives 30 death threats a day...something else I found odd for our propaganda news source to report.

In all I believe Obama was appointed for the sole purpose of "dying" in office and becoming a martyr. I do not think he will actually die but rather his death will faked. Obama swept away to a isolated island.

Once Obama is supposedly dead I expect to see a fury of activity to get non popular measures passed in his memory. Obama has already been elevated by the media to that of a god. They have called him a messiah.

Obama is an actor on a stage.

[THEWATCHER]

Originally Posted by qbeac

Questions to Bill and Kerry:

Would it be possible for you (PC) to invite both David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford to this thread to debate the “Obama’s mystery” (same thing for the “real vs. faked-Bluebeam ET disclosure mystery”)?

I guess they might be quite busy, and a talking debate (by Skype) might be easier and not so time consuming as a writing one. But perhaps they wouldn’t mind showing up and giving us a few clues, or links, etc. Well, it’s just an idea.

Another idea: Would Dr. Steven Greer show up in this thread and let us (regular people) ask him questions?

LOL you have some hope there asking if any of these 'super-duper' megastar interviewees come here and talk, facing the public directly LOL LOL Hell will freeze over first LOL

[Daft Ada]

You won't get David Wilcock on here where people can say what they want to him, he will only accept Ego stroking and praise, you only have to look at the comments he allows to be posted on his site to see that. Anything that doesn't agree with his views or that arrent complements for him, gets deleted.

[synaxis]

The recent comments by qbeac & Spregovori on resolving contradictory/inconsistent information raise an important issue.

qbeac (#527) mentioned an inconsistency in the views of Benjamin Fulford and David Wilcock on Obama. Here's another example.

In an article posted today, Fulford explains as follows re: the Nov 09 hacking of emails from a server at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia:

"Russian BDS [Black Dragon Society] members hacked the East Anglia University computers and proved the "global warming" campaign was based on false data."

http://benjaminfulford.net/2009/12/2...b-250-billion/

David Wilcock provides a very different account in "Disclosure Endgame" part 3:

"As of November 2009, the Rockefeller faction -- now in complete free-fall after losing the 2008 election -- was almost certainly responsible for leaking the "Climategate" emails. This was a blatant, desperate attempt to destroy the credibility of any arguments to reduce our fossil fuel consumption -- and thereby preserve whatever shreds of economic power and oil money they still have at this point."

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...ndgame?start=2

These are very different accounts of the same incident.

I agree with Spregovori/532 re: the need to create a situation whereby contradictions in the testimony of PC whistleblowers and others can be resolved. This would help to clarify the point where assumptions are shaping the interpretation of the facts. Ideally this process should be open for input from others.

[powerviolence]

Originally Posted by qbeac

Questions to Bill and Kerry:

Would it be possible for you (PC) to invite both David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford to this thread to debate the “Obama’s mystery” (same thing for the “real vs. faked-Bluebeam ET disclosure mystery”)?

I guess they might be quite busy, and a talking debate (by Skype) might be easier and not so time consuming as a writing one. But perhaps they wouldn’t mind showing up and giving us a few clues, or links, etc. Well, it’s just an idea.

Another idea: Would Dr. Steven Greer show up in this thread and let us (regular people) ask him questions?

You ever think that both wilcock and fulford are probably wrong?

[powerviolence]

Originally Posted by qbeac

Questions to Bill and Kerry:

Would it be possible for you (PC) to invite both David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford to this thread to debate the “Obama’s mystery” (same thing for the “real vs. faked-Bluebeam ET disclosure mystery”)?

I guess they might be quite busy, and a talking debate (by Skype) might be easier and not so time consuming as a writing one. But perhaps they wouldn’t mind showing up and giving us a few clues, or links, etc. Well, it’s just an idea.

Another idea: Would Dr. Steven Greer show up in this thread and let us (regular people) ask him questions?

You ever think that both wilcock and fulford are probably wrong?

EDIT: And To further elaborate, isn't obama a proven skull & bones member? in other words, obama is a full blown illuminati member, which rules out ANY "white knight" scenario, which was absolutely ridiculous in the first place, obama was "elected" because the factions behind him decided to make it appear so, they portrayed mccain as a babbling outdated man and obama as a charismatic, ethnic, young sharp guy, remember these people are actors, that wasn't no coincidence. Does David Wilcock think that Obama somehow defeated both Rothschild and Rockefeller interestes? how? through the electoral process? you gotta be kidding me does Wilcock know anything?

Never in the history of mankind has a US president been some kind of radical white angel working from the inside, he was born and raised illuminati, he was trained for his role, he knows what's gonna happen, just like bush, just like all of them, they appear to be pawns, they are to some extent, but they will never, ever be, any type of positive force, they are all illuminati, they are all working for the same agenda.

And to top of that, we all know secret goverment is the real goverment, not the mainstream media white house/congress soap opera they feed people, you gotta be kidding me guys, ANYBODY who talks about obama like he's gonna make something happen or like he's a symbol of any importance is obviously uninformed in the workings of the US govt.

[Bobbie]

Agreed - I guess there is a remote possibility that he's a double agent working with the Great White Brotherhood and was sent in undercover to make the Elites think he is one of them and then he'll pull a whammy on them....but, naaah, probably not. Once again - forgive the intrusion into Bill's thread - I'll say no more.

Originally Posted by powerviolence

You ever think that both wilcock and fulford are probably wrong?

EDIT: And To further elaborate, isn't obama a proven skull & bones member? in other words, obama is a full blown illuminati member, which rules out ANY "white knight" scenario, which was absolutely ridiculous in the first place, obama was "elected" because the factions behind him decided to make it appear so, they portrayed mccain as a babbling outdated man and obama as a charismatic, ethnic, young sharp guy, remember these people are actors, that wasn't no coincidence. Does David Wilcock think that Obama somehow defeated both Rothschild and Rockefeller interestes? how? through the electoral process? you gotta be kidding me does Wilcock know anything?

Never in the history of mankind has a US president been some kind of radical white angel working from the inside, he was born and raised illuminati, he was trained for his role, he knows what's gonna happen, just like bush, just like all of them, they appear to be pawns, they are to some extent, but they will never, ever be, any type of positive force, they are all illuminati, they are all working for the same agenda.

And to top of that, we all know secret goverment is the real goverment, not the mainstream media white house/congress soap opera they feed people, you gotta be kidding me guys, ANYBODY who talks about obama like he's gonna make something happen or like he's a symbol of any importance is obviously uninformed in the workings of the US govt.

[bashi]

Hi, i am new here.
After all the info put out and interviews done by Bill and Kerry, it has become quite clear that mankind is at a crucial junction for its future development. At the same time we are under massive influence and attack by the “dark” side in order to facilitate a particular outcome which for most of us is not desirable.
The workings of the “dark” powers are by most of us not well understood and definitely underestimated. I guess that just few of us were attacked, manipulated or influenced and came out of it unharmed and complete.
Because the playing – level of this “war for our souls” reaches far beyond the material world as we normally know it. We are not talking about weapons or jump-rooms, but about Mind Control, Spiritual Energies, Possession etc.
So how to make a difference? How to become spiritually stronger to stand up against the onslaught? Somehow we have to start, and believe me: Its a long way to go from here…
There is a saying: “Be the change you want to see”.
I think there is a lot of wisdom in it.
Or: “Don’t do to others, what you do not want to be done to yourself”.
What does it mean practically?
We are complaining that the Reptilians are eating human flesh. From their standpoint, why shouldn’t they? They are much more than we are in almost all aspects. Therefore they are regarding us as a resource – as livestock. Are they not having the same approach as we have towards “lower” animals? Additionally we are the only species on earth which is killing itself in Millions, either actively or inactively through hunger, untreated diseases etc. We don’t care for our own species, so why should they?
Eat and be eaten, that’s then the rule . An eye for an eye.
We are only complaining, because we are not at the top of the food-chain, and therefore we fear to be eaten. Don’t you think a cow would not be afraid, if it realizes that it ends up at the abattoir?
Have you heard that the “higher” spiritually developed, benevolent alien races are slaughtering “lower” animals and are eating them? I learned only about “Fruitarians”, drinking “liquid light” or direct energy assimilation.
So, for our (selfish) benefit, I want to make a strong case for becoming a vegetarian. In my opinion that’s one of the base stones for a strong spiritual development and protection. You don’t have to become member of any group or sect to start it. If you would really listen to your heart, then you would already be a vegetarian.
Before talking about how to gain psychic powers to fight the “dark” enemy, you should be sure about your personal moral stand. Power without love and compassion is extremly dangerous.
My opinion is: Develop your heart and LOVE first. Because in that field we are by far superior than the Reptilians and many other alien races. You can´t fight with a Reptilian by using weapons or psychic powers, because you are bound to loose. But what you can do is to respect and LOVE them.
Yes , I am serious: LOVE the Reptilians !
Because they can´t stand the high LOVE vibration and they will retreat and leave you alone (probably only for some time until they learned their lesson, because they are very stubborn).
That’s how to make a stand and keep the battle ground.
Start with yourself: Fight the temptation of the tongue and become a veggie. Then discuss within your friends and family. That’s to start making a difference.
Becoming a veggie is a first step to improved protection; because the more exposed you are, the more vicious the attacks. That’s not easy: Once they are hooked into you, your chances are diminished. Many are getting lead away into the dark, only to never resurface without help.
While I am not sure that Dr. Greer has been able to protect himself, I noticed that Bill and Kerry are seemingly doing well. And I don’t think that’s only because of the White Hat´s protective Psi-Ops.

So, my question to Bill:
"You briefly mentioned in the Freedom Central interview that you are doing some daily spiritual exercise.
Can you elaborate on that without creating a new sect?"

.

[hippihillbobbi]

:cheerfu l_h4h:

i LOVE you people, and i LOVE PC/PA, and Bill & Kerry, and this thread! so much great info .... so many inspiring spirits .... such "inquiring minds"!!!

Bill -- this is my question -- do you think there are any defectors from the Reptilian overlords (Reptilian whistleblowers i guess) who would really like to help the "masses" of us to become awake/aware-enough re: the above-top-secret stuff (how we are being controlled/manipulated, off-planet bases and civilizations, free energy, etc.) that we can more consciously and deliberately as a race (human) strive to save our mother-earth and contribute to the well-being of our fellow travellers. In other words, is it possible for these entities ("royal reptilians") to empathize/sympathize with human beings enough to reject their own heritage to try to help us in a truly compassionate way??? would this be analagous to a human being who tries to help/save cattle from being used to advance our human agenda???

Thanks so much, bill & kerry, for sharing yourselves so generously. you are real heroes! May those of us who have come to respect your work and love your spirit follow your examples of courage, vision, and generosity. ya'll are Love Personified(at least on your best days!) Your friends and fans are MUCH blessed!

[IMU]

Hi there!
I've just stumbled upon a brand new video on youtube called "Jordan Maxwell exposed debunked" and it contradicts Jordan's statements one by one showing a lecture given by him. What do you make of that? Who's right? I kinda like Jordan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BApH6McCLoc

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by IMU

Hi there!
I've just stumbled upon a brand new video on youtube called "Jordan Maxwell exposed debunked" and it contradicts Jordan's statements one by one showing a lecture given by him. What do you make of that? Who's right? I kinda like Jordan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BApH6McCLoc

Jordan really opened my eyes with his keen observations regarding symbols. A master at that. His website is very very good, I even showed some of my more "skeptical" type friends and they were extremely impressed.

Only, on a couple other things I totally disagree with JM.

Peace

[Bill Ryan]

Hello, Everyone:

This is a really quick message to say hello to all, and wish everyone a Happy New Year which contains everything you and we would all want for ourselves and the world.

I've been pretty much offline for the last week, and I'll continue to be offline until Sunday (2 Jan). After that I'll be able to return to this thread and will continue to answer questions and contribute as best I can. (Clearly I need to allocate several hours for this! And I'm looking forward to it.)

Most of you will have seen this already, but I do highly recommend this personal interview (done solo only because Kerry was not available) which represents most of my worldview and opinions pretty well - and is a very clear representation of everything Camelot stands for so far. Some of your questions may already be answered in it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ic70cVN5IdQ

Warmest regards to everyone - Bill

[Flying Pyramid]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Hello, Everyone:

This is a really quick message to say hello to all, and wish everyone a Happy New Year which contains everything you and we would all want for ourselves and the world.

I've been pretty much offline for the last week, and I'll continue to be offline until Sunday (2 Jan). After that I'll be able to return to this thread and will continue to answer questions and contribute as best I can. (Clearly I need to allocate several hours for this! And I'm looking forward to it.)

Most of you will have seen this already, but I do highly recommend this personal interview (done solo only because Kerry was not available) which represents most of my worldview and opinions pretty well - and is a very clear representation of everything Camelot stands for so far. Some of your questions may already be answered in it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ic70cVN5IdQ

Warmest regards to everyone - Bill

Hey bill.
Hope you and Kerry are haveing a great holiday.
I'm sure your already aware of this, but i want to tell you.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VST2KKIYn50

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by hippihillbobbi

:cheerfu l_h4h:

i LOVE you people, and i LOVE PC/PA, and Bill & Kerry, and this thread! so much great info .... so many inspiring spirits .... such "inquiring minds"!!!

Bill -- this is my question -- do you think there are any defectors from the Reptilian overlords (Reptilian whistleblowers i guess) who would really like to help the "masses" of us to become awake/aware-enough re: the above-top-secret stuff (how we are being controlled/manipulated, off-planet bases and civilizations, free energy, etc.) that we can more consciously and deliberately as a race (human) strive to save our mother-earth and contribute to the well-being of our fellow travellers. In other words, is it possible for these entities ("royal reptilians") to empathize/sympathize with human beings enough to reject their own heritage to try to help us in a truly compassionate way??? would this be analagous to a human being who tries to help/save cattle from being used to advance our human agenda???

Thanks so much, bill & kerry, for sharing yourselves so generously. you are real heroes! May those of us who have come to respect your work and love your spirit follow your examples of courage, vision, and generosity. ya'll are Love Personified(at least on your best days!) Your friends and fans are MUCH blessed!

Great question! In one of my hubby's sessions he was a reptilian and he really did not want to be there killing humans. He accidentally scared a human to death and he felt so much remorse but he had to hide it from his group, especially the leader of the team. That's hard to do when everyone is supposed to be telepathically open. So , yes there are good reptilians.

Gnosis

[wrightio]

Please! What has being or turning vegetarian got to do with all of this? Your strong case has no basis for any of the topics on ProjectAvalon or ProjectCamelot. To me you are just speaking nonsense and nothing related to this thread. If you really want to learn about vegetarianism http://www.beyondveg.com/ will perhaps enlighten you to the pitfalls and perils.

Originally Posted by bashi

Hi, i am new here.
After all the info put out and interviews done by Bill and Kerry, it has become quite clear that mankind is at a crucial junction for its future development. At the same time we are under massive influence and attack by the “dark” side in order to facilitate a particular outcome which for most of us is not desirable.
The workings of the “dark” powers are by most of us not well understood and definitely underestimated. I guess that just few of us were attacked, manipulated or influenced and came out of it unharmed and complete.
Because the playing – level of this “war for our souls” reaches far beyond the material world as we normally know it. We are not talking about weapons or jump-rooms, but about Mind Control, Spiritual Energies, Possession etc.
So how to make a difference? How to become spiritually stronger to stand up against the onslaught? Somehow we have to start, and believe me: Its a long way to go from here…
There is a saying: “Be the change you want to see”.
I think there is a lot of wisdom in it.
Or: “Don’t do to others, what you do not want to be done to yourself”.
What does it mean practically?
We are complaining that the Reptilians are eating human flesh. From their standpoint, why shouldn’t they? They are much more than we are in almost all aspects. Therefore they are regarding us as a resource – as livestock. Are they not having the same approach as we have towards “lower” animals? Additionally we are the only species on earth which is killing itself in Millions, either actively or inactively through hunger, untreated diseases etc. We don’t care for our own species, so why should they?
Eat and be eaten, that’s then the rule . An eye for an eye.
We are only complaining, because we are not at the top of the food-chain, and therefore we fear to be eaten. Don’t you think a cow would not be afraid, if it realizes that it ends up at the abattoir?
Have you heard that the “higher” spiritually developed, benevolent alien races are slaughtering “lower” animals and are eating them? I learned only about “Fruitarians”, drinking “liquid light” or direct energy assimilation.
So, for our (selfish) benefit, I want to make a strong case for becoming a vegetarian. In my opinion that’s one of the base stones for a strong spiritual development and protection. You don’t have to become member of any group or sect to start it. If you would really listen to your heart, then you would already be a vegetarian.
Before talking about how to gain psychic powers to fight the “dark” enemy, you should be sure about your personal moral stand. Power without love and compassion is extremly dangerous.
My opinion is: Develop your heart and LOVE first. Because in that field we are by far superior than the Reptilians and many other alien races. You can´t fight with a Reptilian by using weapons or psychic powers, because you are bound to loose. But what you can do is to respect and LOVE them.
Yes , I am serious: LOVE the Reptilians !
Because they can´t stand the high LOVE vibration and they will retreat and leave you alone (probably only for some time until they learned their lesson, because they are very stubborn).
That’s how to make a stand and keep the battle ground.
Start with yourself: Fight the temptation of the tongue and become a veggie. Then discuss within your friends and family. That’s to start making a difference.
Becoming a veggie is a first step to improved protection; because the more exposed you are, the more vicious the attacks. That’s not easy: Once they are hooked into you, your chances are diminished. Many are getting lead away into the dark, only to never resurface without help.
While I am not sure that Dr. Greer has been able to protect himself, I noticed that Bill and Kerry are seemingly doing well. And I don’t think that’s only because of the White Hat´s protective Psi-Ops.

So, my question to Bill:
"You briefly mentioned in the Freedom Central interview that you are doing some daily spiritual exercise.
Can you elaborate on that without creating a new sect?"

.