END POPULATION EXPLOSION (petition)

[happyhollergal]

I'm in awe of the number of self described "enlightened" beings, who are in fact, mouthpieces for the new world order, vomiting out what they've been taught, while they believe that it's in the best interest of humanity. Are people aware that they've been duped, and are promoting the exact agendas that Rockefeller/Rothschild followers dream of? How greedy and selfish can you be, to wish away the lives of others so that your offspring will benefit in the future?

And, thanks for posting that article Brook. I enjoyed the read.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by happyhollergal

I'm in awe of the number of self described "enlightened" beings, who are in fact, mouthpieces for the new world order, vomiting out what they've been taught, while they believe that it's in the best interest of humanity. Are people aware that they've been duped, and are promoting the exact agendas that Rockefeller/Rothschild followers dream of? How greedy and selfish can you be, to wish away the lives of others so that your offspring will benefit in the future?

And, thanks for posting that article Brook. I enjoyed the read.

You're way out of line, I don't see anyone doing that here.

What tangible solutions would you propose to save the destruction of our Earth and preserve the beautiful animal species that are being driven daily to extinction?

How greedy and selfish can you be, to wish away the lives of others so that your offspring will benefit in the future?

[BROOK]

Well..I've made my opinion clear throughout this thread..and cannot say much more...except there are people dying every day...and the rate will only increase as the PTB have an agenda...and until we decide to wake up..they will continue to increase that rate...count on it.

My true feeling for the final time is that there is more then enough room on this earth...if we take control back from the PTB..start living in respect of the earth...like the Native American Indians did, the "keepers" of this planet.

Respect the water and know it is sacred..and preserve the earth.

I firmly believe there is MORE then enough room and then some for population growth...but not the way we are treating it now.....and the truth is even if we had half the population...we are still trashing this world..and that is the real problem

[BROOK]

Will education ever get through to them?

Are you saying their just too stupid?

[BROOK]

'm a big fan of the the World Factbook, its about the only good thing the CIA does and its available to anyone globally.

You don't think those facts can be a little tainted?

What about death rates.....wars, starvation....on don't get me started on starvation....there is no excuse for it....humanity needs a reality check...the money we spend on wars every year would feed the world

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Are you saying their just too stupid?

No one has cornered the market on stupidity.

Its a global affliction.

Though the Vatican has alot to answer for...

There... I've said it.

ROOT CAUSE OF GLOBAL SUFFERING:

Superstitious ignorance imposed on us.
False teachings.
Guilt.
Manipulation.

The whole domino chain will come down when we break the Vatican death-grip.

[BROOK]

Population control has been around since the middle ages ... and so have the PTB

Ancient Times through Middle Ages

A number of ancient writers have reflected on the issue of population. At about 300 BC in India Kautilya, a political philosopher (c. 350-283 BC), considered population as a source of political, economic, and military strength. Though a given region can house too many or too few people, Kautilya considered the latter possibility to be the greater evil. Kautilya favored the remarriage of widows (which at the time was forbidden in India), opposed taxes that encourage emigration, and believed that asceticism should be restricted to the aged.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_control

Luminari..you bring up the Vatican....another controlling faction

I stand on what I said before....
The real “population change” we need to focus on is not artificially reducing human numbers. Rather, it is about winning real democratic change, i.e. dramatically increasing the numbers of ordinary people who can participate in making decisions about investment in green industries, agriculture, global trade and military spending.
Population control narrowly looks only at the quantity of human beings to find a solution to climate change. Ultimately, its narrow vision makes it a divisive policy.

[BROOK]

Oh yeah...the centering of population control in Africa.....There have been rumors abundant on how the PTB want to take total control of Africa...for resources...global dominance once in control...this has been in the pipes for some time now...so why not center focus on Africa..and create political strife and death at every turn...only to take control and dominate yet another continent

Why not plant a huge AIDS epidemic..and let it run it's course

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Population control has been around since the middle ages ... and so have the PTB

To my knowledge, there was not family planning, condoms, and prescription birth control in the middle ages.

Perhaps the birth control of the middle ages was a gun to the head? What else could you mean?

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by KathyT

To my knowledge, there was not family planning, condoms, and prescription birth control in the middle ages.

Perhaps the birth control of the middle ages was a gun to the head? What else could you mean?

I mean there have been people predicting over population since the middle ages....nothing new...and certainly not new now.

and look...a religious figure...surprise

The Reverend Thomas Robert Malthus FRS (13 February 1766 – 23 December 1834),[1] was a British scholar, influential in political economy and demography.[2][3] Malthus popularised the economic theory of rent.[4]

Malthus has become widely known for his analysis whereby societal improvements result in population growth which, he states, sooner or later gets checked by famine, disease, and widespread mortality. He wrote in the context of the popular view, in 18th century Europe, that saw society as improving, and in principle as perfectible.[5] William Godwin and the Marquis de Condorcet, for example, believed in the possibility of almost limitless improvement of society. So, in a more complex way, did Jean-Jacques Rousseau, whose notions centered on the goodness of man and the liberty of citizens bound only by the social contract, a form of popular sovereignty.

Malthus saw such ideas of endless progress towards a utopian society as vitiated because of the dangers of population growth: "The power of population is indefinitely greater than the power in the earth to produce subsistence for man".[6] As an Anglican clergyman, Malthus saw this situation as divinely imposed to teach virtuous behaviour.[7] Believing that one could not change human nature, and that egalitarian societies were prone to over-population[citation needed], Malthus wrote in dramatic terms: "epidemics, pestilence and plague advance in terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and ten thousands. Should success be still incomplete, gigantic famine stalks in the rear, and with one mighty blow, levels the population with the food of the world".[8]

Malthus placed the longer-term stability of the economy above short-term expediency. He criticised the Poor Laws,[9] and (alone among important contemporary economists) supported the Corn Laws, which introduced a system of taxes on British imports of wheat. He thought these measures would encourage domestic production, and so promote long-term benefit.[10]

Malthus became hugely influential, and controversial, in economic, political, social and scientific thought. Many of those whom subsequent centuries sometimes term "evolutionary biologists" also read him,[11] notably Charles Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace, for each of whom Malthusianism became an intellectual stepping-stone to the idea of natural selection.[12][13] Malthus remains a writer of great significance, and debate continues as to whether his direst expectations will come about.

[BROOK]

There is NOTHING I can do to change their culture. They have to do it for themselves. They have to be responsible for themselves. I am not willing to give them a handout. I am only willing to give them a helping hand. They have to do the rest themselves. They have to make the effort. That is true for every individual on this planet.

These people fight political repression every day of their lives...at every turn...they don't want your handout...they want a chance to survive

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by BROOK

These people fight political repression every day of their lives...at every turn...they don't want your handout...they want a chance to survive

Actually, you might want to look at South Africa. The blacks have taken land away from owners who were successfully farming the land, and productive farms are being ruined. Farms which could feed people. Tell me that is smart. It is not smart, it is stupid.
http://www.africancrisis.org/default2.asp

Brook, I am sorry to say, I don't think you have a clue about Africa.

And you weren't able to give me a measuring stick for knowing when "the PTB will be gone".

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by KathyT

Actually, you might want to look at South Africa. The blacks have taken land away from owners who were successfully farming the land, and productive farms are being ruined. Farms which could feed people. Tell me that is smart.
http://www.africancrisis.org/default2.asp

The blacks?

That is a propaganda rag..there is a section down at the bottom of raciest jokes

http://www.africancrisis.org/default2.asp

[BROOK]

And you weren't able to give me a measuring stick for knowing when "the PTB will be gone".

All you have to do Kathy is read this forum...you will know who the PTB are

[BROOK]

Brook, I am sorry to say, I don't think you have a clue about Africa.

I work for and do fund raiser for Living Compassion.....for a group of BLACK Africans who don't want a handout..they want a chance to take care of them selves...and this community is doing it

http://www.livingcompassion.org/afri...mba_about.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXEWrFKSq0

and here is the child I sponsor


Lonica Bwalya
Dear Brook,

Thank you for sponsoring Lonica Bwalya in support of the Kantolomba
Project in Ndola, Zambia. Attached is a PDF of a one-page document we
created to assist folks in their fundraising efforts for Bridge Walk
2009. Please feel free to contact us with any further questions.

We are grateful for your participation.

In lovingkindness,
Living Compassion
transforming lives, ending suffering

This is what I do about things that bother me and I feel needs change...

What do you do about what bothers you Kathyt?

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I work for and do fund raiser for Living Compassion.....for a group of BLACK Africans who don't want a handout..they want a chance to take care of them selves...and this community is doing it

http://www.livingcompassion.org/afri...mba_about.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FXEWrFKSq0

and here is the child I sponsor


Lonica Bwalya
Dear Brook,

Thank you for sponsoring Lonica Bwalya in support of the Kantolomba
Project in Ndola, Zambia. Attached is a PDF of a one-page document we
created to assist folks in their fundraising efforts for Bridge Walk
2009. Please feel free to contact us with any further questions.

We are grateful for your participation.

In lovingkindness,
Living Compassion
transforming lives, ending suffering

This is what I do about things that bother me and I feel needs change...

What do you do about what bothers you Kathyt?

After posting this...and your concern about my not having a clue about Africa...are you familiar with these people?...they don't need anybody to be beautiful...and they do just fine...without anybody's help

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGLR8wEvRfQ


The Omo

[mudra]

The population explosion
Paul R.Ehrlich & Anne H.Ehrlich

http://www.ditext.com/ehrlich/title.html

Excerpt:

human beings, besides tuning out gradual trends, do not easily recognize the need to adjust their ways of life to accommodate the needs of more than five billion fellows, most living thousands of miles away. That all people must change their behavior to permit everyone on the planet to lead a decent life is not a notion evolution has prepared us to accept readily. It is not surprising that Homo sapiens has brought its old mind into the new world. After all, biological evolution would require many thousands of generations to adjust the old perceptual apparatus to new situations, and world-scale problems have appeared only in the last one or two generations.

So, if society is to come to grips with the population explosion and the other elements of the greatest crisis it has faced in historic times, it will have to do so through cultural evolution. Cultural evolution consists of changes in the body of non-genetic information that is passed from person to person and [188] generation to generation. Cultural information, unlike the genetic information coded into the DNA of human beings, can be altered very rapidly -- well within a single generation in the modern world, sometimes within a week.

Cultural evolution must be harnessed and directed so as to amplify people's awareness of the gradual environmental changes that so threaten our civilization. Somehow we've all got to learn that a fluctuating but continually climbing line on a graph measuring the concentration of a colorless, odorless gas in the atmosphere may represent an enormously greater threat to our children's security than all the world's terrorists put together. People must learn to perceive in columns of population statistics an increasingly certain death knell for their way of life.

It's tough to override a legacy of billions of years of biological evolution and tens of thousands of years of cultural evolution.

Making the population connections therefore isn't all that easy, because people are basically designed not to pay attention to the factors that are related to population growth, or to that growth itself. Population growth, climate change, faltering food security, the loss of stratospheric ozone, increased acidity of rain, the extermination of populations and species of plants [189] and animals, and various other signposts collectively pointing toward global collapse are all trends too gradual for human beings to perceive easily and are not obviously connected to one another. Worse yet, most of them are difficult or impossible to perceive directly, even when attention is called to them.

Good and interesting book that adresses the problem of overpopulation in humane like and respectfull ways .
Focus is put on the necessicity of a global cultural revolution .

As metaw3 below I am favoring massive education resulting in raised awareness and global responsability rather then the use of coercive laws .

Love always
mudra

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I work for and do fund raiser for Living Compassion.....for a group of BLACK Africans who don't want a handout..they want a chance to take care of them selves...and this community is doing it

and here is the child I sponsor

This is what I do about things that bother me and I feel needs change...

What do you do about what bothers you Kathyt?

Thank you for sharing the info about Ndola. I looked up Ndola on the internet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ndola, "it the third-largest city in Zambia, with a population of 774,757 (2007 estimate). It is the industrial, commercial, administrative and distribution on the Copperbelt, Zambia's copper-mining region, and capital of Copperbelt Province. It is also the commercial capital city of Zambia and has one of the three international airports."

Nice little city, if it has an international airport. They even have a college, Northem Technical College, Ndola, Zambia. I hope the thousands and thousands of people in Hdola themselves are taking care of their less fortunate, as it appears to be quite an industrious and prosperous city. Certainly bigger and more industrious than the city I live in.

You asked me what I do, I can tell you what I don't do. I never give to any of these organizations which come begging on TV or magazines asking for money. You never know where that money goes. I choose to give charity in my local community, where I know it is needed, as here too, we have hungry and disadvantaged people. There are hundreds of ways to volunteer in my community and help children in need here, and I choose and do what I believe is most beneficial here.
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On the other topic, you might want to look at the ruined farms in South Africa.

"Africa: A ruined farm worth R100 million
Date Posted: Monday 13-Feb-2006

I've been lucky enough to catch another news item showing another ruined farm that was handed over to the blacks via "Land Reform" - which the ANC assured us would NOT be the failure that so-called "Land Reform" was in Zimbabwe!

This farm in Letsitele, is a massive Orange farm. As best I could make out from the news item, this farm was worth R100 million. As I was saying, the ANC is not handing over just any old "silly family farm" - they are actually getting the best, the finest farms/businesses which are worth enormous sums of money, and they are handing it over to the blacks. And these farms are collapsing! The blacks can't even keep a successful going concern functioning!

This farm produced 140,000 oranges worth R7 million per annum at the time it was handed over to the blacks. Now it produces - NONE!"

[BROOK]

You asked me what I do, I can tell you what I don't do. I never give to any of these organizations which come begging on TV or magazines asking for money. You never know where that money goes. I choose to give charity in my local community, where I know it is needed, as here too, we have hungry and disadvantaged people. There are hundreds of ways to volunteer in my community and help children in need here, and I choose and do what I believe is most beneficial here.

That's nice....I also do work with mentally handicapped in my community...as well as support the homeless shelter in downtown Los Angeles....

"Africa: A ruined farm worth R100 million
Date Posted: Monday 13-Feb-2006

I've been lucky enough to catch another news item showing another ruined farm that was handed over to the blacks via "Land Reform" - which the ANC assured us would NOT be the failure that so-called "Land Reform" was in Zimbabwe!

This farm in Letsitele, is a massive Orange farm. As best I could make out from the news item, this farm was worth R100 million. As I was saying, the ANC is not handing over just any old "silly family farm" - they are actually getting the best, the finest farms/businesses which are worth enormous sums of money, and they are handing it over to the blacks. And these farms are collapsing! The blacks can't even keep a successful going concern functioning!

This farm produced 140,000 oranges worth R7 million per annum at the time it was handed over to the blacks. Now it produces - NONE!"

this article is from that web site again..the same one that reports articles like this..

Nelson Mandela: The Songs They Sing about Killing Whites

This portion shows Nelson Mandela and Ronnie Kasrils at a funeral in 1992, where all the ANC/SACP members sing about killing the whites. This excerpt shows Mandela there, and it contrasts the words of the song, sung in Xhosa (the tribe from which Mandela comes), with the words he speaks in english. It also shows other members of the ANC, including women and children singing the same words. It has been noted over the years, that often, these black leaders, say one thing in a "native" language, but when questionined in english, they say something very different. In this excerpt you will see that.

S.Africa: Thieves beat mom, rape girl, 9

this no doubt is an example of the "materially poor, but spiritually rich" black people at work. Scum like this should be hung until they are DEAD!


USA: Blacks kill more blacks than whites ever Lynched

A regular reader of AfricanCrisis as well as of American Renaissance sent me these comments. I am fascinated by the statement that more blacks in America are killed by other blacks annually than were ever lynched in TOTAL by whites!! I would love to see the actual statistics. Many times these things are blown completely out of proportion to make whites feel guilty and later when you see the stats you wonder what the fuss was all about.

As for Oprah, well, I think her agenda is largely crafted by her all white Liberal staff! (Sssh, the S.African Govt and Media will *NEVER* want to discuss Oprah's tendency to only hire WHITES!!! But I have heard this fact confirmed by someone who actually dealt with Oprah's staff here in S.Africa!) Oprah talks black but hires white! If you really think about it, this school, and Oprah and the kids... how many WHITES from S.Africa and the USA were actually involved in creating this? A LOT!! Jan]

Yes, Oprah spends R60 million on schools in Africa instead of the United States. Her excuse is the children in Africa want to learn, unlike the children in the inner cities of the USA, who only make trouble.

The main point to this all, is Oprah is a RACIST. Can you even imagine a White man, say Bill Gates, trying to contribute funding to an all WHITE school for White children only? People like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would not only call him racist, but they would do their best to destroy him and bankrupt his businesses. Our US government would call it illegal and shut the school down unless minorities were allowed to go to the school.

Why don't the blacks at least admit that they are incapable of producing prosperity without the aid from the White man. At least there would be honest reasons as to WHY they fail at EVERYTHING they do. The reason they fail is twofold:

(1) They are born with a low IQ and this is unchanging without help from a supreme being "God".
2) They have extreme levels of aggression and little self control. This is genetic and inherent in all blacks.

Funny thing, even the Bible says nothing against slavery, just that the slaves should be treated well and they must rest on the 7th day. Most blacks were far better off as slaves than they are today.

Did you know that blacks kill more blacks in one year than were lynched in a century. "The number of blacks killed in 2005 in this one homicide category alone approaches the total of all the blacks lynched in this country from 1882 to 1968, according to records maintained by Tuskegee University."


http://www.africancrisis.org/default2.asp

And of course we cannot forget the section about "racist Jokes"...which I refuse to post....there are many other just as racist material on that site....plenty of it....but this is the mentality of the site you drew that article from?

Is this the information that makes you such an expert on Africa? Well just a little FYI.....the indigenous people of Africa are ...you guessed it...."BLACK"...and that is their country

How dare you suggest that they're mentality is less then able to farm...they probably worked those farms for the white men running them.

Do you remember

South Africa under apartheid


Racial segregation in South Africa began in colonial times, but apartheid as an official policy was introduced following the general election of 1948. New legislation classified inhabitants into racial groups ("black", "white", "coloured", and "Indian"), and residential areas were segregated by means of forced removals. From 1958, Blacks were deprived of their citizenship, legally becoming citizens of one of ten tribally based self-governing homelands called bantustans, four of which became nominally independent states. The government segregated education, medical care, and other public services, and provided black people with services inferior to those of whites.
Apartheid sparked significant internal resistance.[1] A series of popular uprisings and protests were met with the banning of opposition and imprisoning of anti-apartheid leaders. As unrest spread and became more violent, state organizations responded with increasing repression and state-sponsored violence.

I am simply stunned and shocked that you would endorse this site.....it is pure racism .....shocking at best.....and since you seem to endorse this site with posts of that nature...does that mean you are a racist?

[mudra]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Why don't the blacks at least admit that they are incapable of producing prosperity without the aid from the White man. At least there would be honest reasons as to WHY they fail at EVERYTHING they do. The reason they fail is twofold:

(1) They are born with a low IQ and this is unchanging without help from a supreme being "God".
2) They have extreme levels of aggression and little self control. This is genetic and inherent in all blacks.

Funny thing, even the Bible says nothing against slavery, just that the slaves should be treated well and they must rest on the 7th day. Most blacks were far better off as slaves than they are today.

Did you know that blacks kill more blacks in one year than were lynched in a century. "The number of blacks killed in 2005 in this one homicide category alone approaches the total of all the blacks lynched in this country from 1882 to 1968, according to records maintained by Tuskegee University."


http://www.africancrisis.org/default2.asp


II am simply stunned and shocked that you would endorse this site..


[/COLOR]

I must say I am stunned too ! Needless to say that this is narrow minded thinking.
I would 'nt let the solving of population growth in the hands of people holding such views
no matter how " intelligent " they think they are.

Where is the LOVE ?

peace
mudra

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by mudra

I must say I am stunned too ! Needless to say that this is narrow minded thinking.
I would 'nt let the solving of population growth in the hands of people holding such views
no matter how " intelligent " they think they are.

Where is the LOVE ?

peace
mudra

Yes Mudra They call that ....
Eugenics

Eugenics is the study of, or belief in, the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics)."[2] Prominent in the late 19th century and the Progressive Era, eugenics became a core tenet of some of the policies behind Adolf Hitler's Nazi regime.


Remember Hitler????? The pure white race

There is a shop on that site...and I bet they offer pure white sheets

[BROOK]

RaKaR....I know you and I strongly disagree on this subject..but I know your heart is in the right place.....so I want anyone reading this to understand ...that I know RaKaR..does not subscribe to this line of thinking...it's too bad it veered into this subject..but it just shows that this form of thinking is still around...and it saddens me very much to think there are those who have not progressed beyond such hatred.

[manticore]

The powers that be want to reduce the population? Yes.

Is there overpopulation? That depends on who you ask.

There is definitely a correlation between education/industrialization and population levels. Take France as an example. They are experiencing negative birth rate/growth. When you have negative growth, your society eventually dies. You have to always have even growth (same number for each birth and death) to at least maintain your society. That is why they have opened the doors to immigration. In the next 20-30 years, ethnic French will be the minority. Russia and Japan are experiencing the same and Japan is in trouble because it is a very homogeneous society. The same occurs with couples who marry later in life. They seem to have less children, unless it is religiously motivated.

I spent some time in Singapore in the 90's. At the time, Singapore was experiencing negative growth. The government funded Singles' Cruises. If you were single, the government would pay for the entire trip. That was a solution, instead of opening the door to immigrants, which they have also done. Once the numbers got back on track, they stop funding the program.

This is definitely a very hot topic, but worthy of discussion. Gosh, even a show would be ideal to discuss this from both perspectives. I saw someone talk about that we will not be able to reach Type 1 civilization if we cannot tap into renewable resources. Well, as Clif High said during my last show, we already have that capability. That's when I interjected and told him that TPTB have the capability and are not releasing it to us, therefore keeping us at Type/Class 00.

All you need to do is drive throug the United States, Canada and Australia. Get out of the cities. You will see hundreds and hundreds of empty miles. We can see how two countries that experience "too much" population deal with it. China has a one child policy and India does not. India is exploding in that regard and will soon, if not yet, surpass China as the most populated country.

I may get some heat by saying this but I think overpopulation, just like global warming, is a surgically engineered thought by TPTB, so that in the event we are taxed for anything (carbon tax), they can claim it's for the good of the planet and if they device another form of depopulation control (i.e., swine flu vaccinations / chemtrails), it's all to keep overpopulation population and the limited resources under control.

Someone mentioned that releasing AIDS was a way to reduce population. I agree that they want to reduce certain segments of the population (including Africa). However, take South Africa as an example. Many of the young are working just to support the sick and the productive population is always at risk from this. You cannot survive when a small portion is supporting the majority.

Folks, sometimes we have to step outside our paradigms to see the true reality. Mental programming/conditioning is happening 24/7.

All the best,

Mel

[artvision]

RaKaR,

Sorry I didn't want insult you on this thread, we are criticizing ideas, not people; I was moderated for that. Just I felt the urge to inform that I'm totally in disagreement with your idea!



I walked all the world and I want to confirm you that all people are similar.

Everybody likes the good things of life, all hate the bads. If you pinch someone the same red blood is going out, even skin different color...

Everywhere are good people and bad people. Smart or stupid, etc.


HUMANS are not GOD!

Let's leave God with his business and us with ours!

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by manticore

All you need to do is drive through the United States, Canada and Australia. Get out of the cities. You will see hundreds and hundreds of empty miles.

I have always lived outside cities. The hundreds and hundreds of miles are not empty, although they may appear to be so to someone who has lived their whole life in a city.

Mankind needs forests, our forest land is shrinking due to mankind's using lumber at a rate faster than regrowth. Mankind needs agriculture land, but to have productive farm land, you need WATER, and here in California, water is so regulated by the California Water Resources Control Board, that neither humans nor agriculture can count on increasing water supplies. More and more communities are experiencing mandated water rationing, because we have reached the point where more people have to share less water. Watersheds are tightly regulated.

I've worked with County Planning departments. Land use is facing tough battles everywhere, as we want sustainable communities and we want to save ag land, yet where are our grandchildren going to live? So they build more and more condominiums with no yards, more high rise apartments, where the children have no place to play.

Planning departments don't encourage 'urban sprawl', as the costs to cities to provide sewer and water to 'spread out' houses, is higher than they can afford. So the developers just build more houses on postage size lots with no back yards to speak off.

People think there are hundreds of empty miles that somehow are available to turn into "something", not realizing there is NO water available, NO natural resources or industries to provide jobs.

What is happening to our natural resources? How many years do we have left? http://www.newscientist.com/data/ima...5/26051202.jpg

Clean water and the availability of ag land is a major consideration to our survival on this planet. Where are we going to find huge quantities of ag land and water for future generations?