Are You a Believer in "Love Your Enemies"?

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by avyaktam

All is one is very true.
But on our range of levels of experience there are definitely enemies.
Christ advocated the sword. The Baghavad Gita is about Krishna teaching Arjuna to slay his enemies. I believe in slaying enemies, but in slaying without hatred. If everybody would just had loved Hitler, we wouldn't be writing here now! Just sitting 'loving' while the baddies take over the world, what a silly idea.

I agree avyaktam, it's not necessarily a choice to have enemies, often they choose us. Should we love them, and what does mean? We can love their essence, but that shouldn't be confused with the overlays who would take our freedoms or kill us.

I've always said that if someone threatened my family and I determined that the threat was real, I'd kill them without regret. If someone chooses to cross the boundaries into our space, claim it as their own, subjugate and kill, they've chosen the paradigm and it's our duty as sovereign entities to stand our ground. The idea that enemies are our own darkness reflected back at us, while being true in some instances, is not true in every case. I'm aware of my darkness, and it's not that which is threatening this planet....however I do agree that there may be manifestations of my past darkness that may be, and this also needs to be taken into consideration.

The bottom line is that we cannot love evil to the light. It has to find its own way back the whole. We do it no favors by naively pretending that it's ourselves when it's not, or by laying down and meekly surrendering to tyranny. We have to resist being drawn into a state of disempowerment and victimization, though this always carries with it the risk of becoming the tyrant. As always, there is the necessity for balance.

We need to remember where we are. We can dream higher consciousness into this reality, we can have full knowing that we're all of One consciousness, but if we're not clear about the rules of engagement at the frequency in which we find ourselves, we'll be eliminated simply because of threat inherent within the knowledge we carry.

[Seashore]

Here is a quote on this topic that I like:

"It is easy enough to be friendly to one's friends. But to befriend the one who regards himself as your enemy is the quintessence of true religion. The other is mere business."

~ Gandhi

I got this quote from an article on the website zenhabits.net:

10 Tips for Life's Greatest Challenge: Love Thy Enemy

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by seashore

10 Tips for Life's Greatest Challenge: Love Thy Enemy

Here is a quote from the above that I like:

"To 'Love Your Enemy' is to find it in your heart to put aside any wrongs, and to love them as a fellow human being. You don't have to love them like you love your parents or children or best friend. Just have loving feelings toward them ... and if possible, express it through words, or by doing something nice, or with a smile."

[Seashore]

Here is another quote from:

Originally Posted by seashore

10 Tips for Life's Greatest Challenge: Love Thy Enemy

that I like:

"I like to think of myself as a good person, but how good am I if I am just loving to my family and friends?"

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by BROOK

A lesson in Loving you enemy...

Two young fellas at work were trying to get me fired, so they could split my work and make more money.
I knew what was happening... so I protected my work, and did the best job I could do. I did not retaliate, I did not lash back in anger.
I was hurt, but I just kept doing the best job I could do.
A week later, My general manager came to me and offered me a position a a Director for not only the store I worked at, but another store, with a big fat raise.
These guys now work under me, and I praise them daily when they do a good job. And I protect them like my children, because what they do reflects on me.
Yes..Love your enemys...good things happen when you do!!

Does anyone else have an anecdote to share?

[RedeZra]

Some sayings from the Indian saint Kabir


Forgiveness is a game only saints play


The saint helped a scorpion over and over again
Each time the scorpion returned the favor with a sting
Some said Dont you know its the nature of the scorpion to sting ?
The saint replied It is my nature to save !




Excerpt from this link on Swami Trailanga


Swami Trailanga preserved a habitual silence. In spite of his round face and huge, barrel-like stomach, Trailanga ate only occasionally.
After weeks without food, he would break his fast with potfuls of clabbered milk offered to him by devotees.
A skeptic once determined to expose Trailanga as a charlatan.
A large bucket of calcium-lime mixture, used in whitewashing walls, was placed before the swami.

"Master," the materialist said, in mock reverence, "I have brought you some clabbered milk. Please drink it."

Trailanga unhesitatingly drank, to the last drop, the quarts of burning lime. In a few minutes the evildoer fell to the ground in agony.

"Help, swami, help!" he cried. "I am on fire! Forgive my wicked test!"

The great yogi broke his habitual silence. "Scoffer," he said, "you did not realize when you offered me poison that my life is one with your own.
Except for my knowledge that God is present in my stomach, as in every atom of creation, the lime would have killed me.
Now that you know the divine meaning of boomerang never again play tricks on anyone."

The sinner, healed by Trailanga's words, slunk feebly away.

The reversal of pain was not a result of the master's will but of the operation of the law of justice that upholds creation's farthest swinging orb.
The functioning of the divine law is instantaneous for men of God-realization like Trailanga; they have banished forever all thwarting crosscurrents of ego.

[Visvasa144]

Originally Posted by seashore

Does anyone else have an anecdote to share?

Let's say theirs this person harassing you psychically. Create an icon and charge this person fully until you feel they are full of loving kindness. the malice or anger they had will be transmuted to a higher frequency. you can seal them in objects or locks to make sure they dont break out. its some people's job to be evil.

you take the good you take the bad and their you have the facts of life.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Visvasa144

Let's say theirs this person harassing you psychically. Create an icon and charge this person fully until you feel they are full of loving kindness. the malice or anger they had will be transmuted to a higher frequency. you can seal them in objects or locks to make sure they dont break out. its some people's job to be evil.

I'm not sure I get this, unless I'm just lost in the thread, and this is the one where we really do believe we can love evil to the light. This spell, such as it is, may work sometimes and with a weaker individual, but it's not going to take care of every situation.
Also, there's been no mention here of the psychopath, on whom this kind of tactic would have little or no effect, since it's doubtful that they even have the same sort of soul as the rest of us...in fact they may attack without malice or anger, being unable to generate any true emotion.

[Visvasa144]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

I'm not sure I get this, unless I'm just lost in the thread, and this is the one where we really do believe we can love evil to the light. This spell, such as it is, may work sometimes and with a weaker individual, but it's not going to take care of every situation.
Also, there's been no mention here of the psychopath, on whom this kind of tactic would have little or no effect, since it's doubtful that they even have the same sort of soul as the rest of us...in fact they may attack without malice or anger, being unable to generate any true emotion.

hey,
loving kindness isnt a spell neither is the Heavenly Catalyst. read the blog.

the energy field of a psychopath is that of holes within the Auric field. these depressions are mainly located above the head and in the navel area. their psychic abilities seem to be great but it mainly stems from a severe imbalance. this imbalance is their source of power which isnt really a source.
loving kindness will heal anything and does.

about doubt......
the greek philosophers called thought the first movement. it is kenetic. the first spark of thought is at its purest form and most powerful. if you have doubt at all the kenetic energy of that electrical charge is dissipated. if your first thought is measured at 100%. then doubt comes into your mind it will subtract the strength of your intention.

"Thus conscience does make cowards of us all". -shakespeare

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Visvasa144

hey,
loving kindness isnt a spell neither is the Heavenly Catalyst.

Visvasa, the way you described your method of dealing with an evil individual sounded like a magical process to me and still does. I also read your "heavenly catalyst" article, which also seems to be a "magical" process involving directed energy. I think it sounds like a very good method for focusing personal energy and for opening a channel to the HS. It also sets off my "in the presence of sorcery" alarms....nothing wrong with that, I'm just making an observation.

Originally Posted by Visvasa144

the energy field of a psychopath is that of holes within the Auric field. these depressions are mainly located above the head and in the navel area. their psychic abilities seem to be great but it mainly stems from a severe imbalance. this imbalance is their source of power which isnt really a source.
loving kindness will heal anything and does.

I suggest you study up on the subject of ponerology, and the nature of psychopathy before taking it all so lightly. There are parasitic elements, ones who are deeply involved in the operation of this world who do not have the same sort of energetic makeup as the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Visvasa144

about doubt......
the greek philosophers called thought the first movement. it is kenetic. the first spark of thought is at its purest form and most powerful. if you have doubt at all the kenetic energy of that electrical charge is dissipated. if your first thought is measured at 100%. then doubt comes into your mind it will subtract the strength of your intention.

My use of the word "doubtful" applied to the essential nature of the psychopathic personality, but I do understand and agree that doubt interferes with the directing of energy.

OTOH, I strongly disagree with your assumption and the assumption of several others in this thread that it's so easy to diffuse evil. If it was there wouldn't have been 160 million humans killed in ritualistic fashion over the past century. The anecdotes are both interesting and worthy of mention and study, but they're contradicted by the overwhelming paradigm that rules this planet. Perhaps if we had thousands, maybe millions of people streaming their "loving kindness" into the negative vortex it would have an effect, but I don't think it would be enough. Maybe, if we were truly connected to our higher selves, the vibration of the "One", and multiplied by a billion, it would have an effect, but I still think it's all a bit more complicated than this.

There are balances of energy at play here. When I describe the negativity as a vortex, that's what I mean... a hole that absorbs energy. Maybe mind projections, magical processes and good will might work on a sociopathic work enemy or family member, but it will not keep "them" from dragging you off to a concentration camp if that's what they want to do.
We have to hold on to our hearts and to a vision of Universal Love and our higher selves, but sometimes that's all we can hope to keep intact when we come out of a battle. Sometimes we do everything right and we're still outgunned. As soon as we believe we we'll win because we are good and they are bad, no matter what techniques we've mastered, we're lost.

[Visvasa144]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

Visvasa, the way you described your method of dealing with an evil individual sounded like a magical process to me and still does. I also read your "heavenly catalyst" article, which also seems to be a "magical" process involving directed energy. I think it sounds like a very good method for focusing personal energy and for opening a channel to the HS. It also sets off my "in the presence of sorcery" alarms....nothing wrong with that, I'm just making an observation.

the blog not the article. the blog no the article. the blog.

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

I suggest you study up on the subject of ponerology, and the nature of psychopathy before taking it all so lightly. There are parasitic elements, ones who are deeply involved in the operation of this world who do not have the same sort of energetic makeup as the rest of us.

in regards to psychic confrontation. how can a psychopath's parasites effect a person? im referring to bio-fields or auras.

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

OTOH, I strongly disagree with your assumption and the assumption of several others in this thread that it's so easy to diffuse evil. If it was there wouldn't have been 160 million humans killed in ritualistic fashion over the past century. The anecdotes are both interesting and worthy of mention and study, but they're contradicted by the overwhelming paradigm that rules this planet. Perhaps if we had thousands, maybe millions of people streaming their "loving kindness" into the negative vortex it would have an effect, but I don't think it would be enough. Maybe, if we were truly connected to our higher selves, the vibration of the "One", and multiplied by a billion, it would have an effect, but I still think it's all a bit more complicated than this.

im very aware of the evils of this world and others. i dont and never have taken evil lightly. you seem to be very aware of this evil but not the power of loving kindness. you can write back about all the evil in the worlds and dimensions. im going to tell you the same thing. loving kindness. this is the foundation to heal, help and counter all negative energy.

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

There are balances of energy at play here. When I describe the negativity as a vortex, that's what I mean... a hole that absorbs energy. Maybe mind projections, magical processes and good will might work on a sociopathic work enemy or family member, but it will not keep "them" from dragging you off to a concentration camp if that's what they want to do. We have to hold on to our hearts and to a vision of Universal Love and our higher selves, but sometimes that's all we can hope to keep intact when we come out of a battle. Sometimes we do everything right and we're still outgunned. As soon as we believe we we'll win because we are good and they are bad, no matter what techniques we've mastered, we're lost.

it's my opinion that no matter what happens in life you will get what you need to grow spiritually. if it is to be taken to a concentration camp then so be it. im serious.

has anyone paid your bills or your debts or gone to work for you?

who do you think is in control of their true divine self?

the dark forces and off world Beings can make it very hard to spiritually evolve but ultimately it's you who has to do the work.

the only person that is going to save you is you.

of course many people along the may can help and assist but again its you.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Visvasa144

in regards to psychic confrontation. how can a psychopath's parasites effect a person? im referring to bio-fields or auras.

Visvasa...this entire realm is a confrontation with the psychopathic projection. Psychopaths rise to the top, they control the matrix, it is was built by them for their purposes. It's not about an individual confrontation, though I agree it does manifest in that way some of the time.
I read some of your blog, but it's clear that you didn't check out my ponerology link.

Originally Posted by Visvasa144

im very aware of the evils of this world and others. i dont and never have taken evil lightly. you seem to be very aware of this evil but not the power of loving kindness. you can write back about all the evil in the worlds and dimensions. im going to tell you the same thing. loving kindness. this is the foundation to heal, help and counter all negative energy.

it's my opinion that no matter what happens in life you will get what you need to grow spiritually. if it is to be taken to a concentration camp then so be it. im serious.

So...if "loving kindness" works, it's the supreme power, but if it doesn't, then whatever "bad" things that happen are just Life's way of helping us grow spiritually? Sorry Visvasa, but that's not good enough for me. I'm looking to access power that works all the time.

I'm not sure what you're up to in your blog tales...and I don't mean that in any way to discredit your path. We have choices as to what realm we exist in, even though outwardly we may all occupy the same dimension. I would be greatly annoyed if my time were to be taken up by "agents" and the other ilk you mention. I consciously choose not to be in their realm, or to manifest my consciousness from the lower astral densities those beings operate from. I recognize their existence, but wish to minimize all time and energy wasting confrontations with them. There are bigger fish to fry.

Some of the "evil" forces we confront are not made of the same etheric substance as we are. Some have been created artificially and house artificial intelligence. They are real and occupy a place in our realm, but they do not want, need, or react to simple love or kindness. If you can hold to your method, without doubt, more power to you. I simply don't believe it is the ultimate weapon, and to for me depend on it would be to become naively dependent upon a a false paradigm (by my subjective PoV).
There's probably no reason to continue this. I do not believe we can love evil back to the light, and you will not clarify how your "loving kindness" spell works, other than the fact that it usually does for you.

~

I'll put this out to the rest of the people who posted along the same lines earlier in the thread. The anecdotes are good. Throwing unconditional love at our enemies, recognizing that they're a part of the universal fabric and evolving and awakening as we are does work sometimes, if there is a resonance between our energy and theirs. If not, if they are of the psychopathic, parasitic projection, or if they are AI, it will not necessarily be of value. The bottom line is if you do not resist, and fight it, it will kill you...and there are a hundred million witnesses to this fact.

I guess the secondary question here is, "Are all enemies created equally, and does a single approach, loving them, work in all situations?"

[Visvasa144]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

Visvasa...this entire realm is a confrontation with the psychopathic projection. Psychopaths rise to the top, they control the matrix, it is was built by them for their purposes. It's not about an individual confrontation, though I agree it does manifest in that way some of the time.
I read some of your blog, but it's clear that you didn't check out my ponerology link.

maybe sociopath's control "things" but not psychopaths. im over the psychopath talk.

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

So...if "loving kindness" works, it's the supreme power, but if it doesn't, then whatever "bad" things that happen are just Life's way of helping us grow spiritually? Sorry Visvasa, but that's not good enough for me. I'm looking to access power that works all the time.

its always works for me. though more come. it always works.
let's take my situation for example...is my situation good or bad? its bad because gov. agents, off world beings, and entities try to harass me. but without them i wouldve have grown and learned so much. i wouldnt have anybody too test my skills against. my perspective is that an equal and opposite force will oppose you in the universe. we can talk about stored karma, fate karma and new karma until the cows come home. you get what you put in. period. then we get into soul group reincarnations, and time-line(group) tracking. this answers the bottom comments.

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

I'm not sure what you're up to in your blog tales...and I don't mean that in any way to discredit your path. We have choices as to what realm we exist in, even though outwardly we may all occupy the same dimension. I would be greatly annoyed if my time were to be taken up by "agents" and the other ilk you mention. I consciously choose not to be in their realm, or to manifest my consciousness from the lower astral densities those beings operate from. I recognize their existence, but wish to minimize all time and energy wasting confrontations with them. There are bigger fish to fry.

yeah..............what am i up to?

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

Some of the "evil" forces we confront are not made of the same etheric substance as we are. Some have been created artificially and house artificial intelligence. They are real and occupy a place in our realm, but they do not want, need, or react to simple love or kindness. If you can hold to your method, without doubt, more power to you. I simply don't believe it is the ultimate weapon, and to for me depend on it would be to become naively dependent upon a a false paradigm (by my subjective PoV).
There's probably no reason to continue this. I do not believe we can love evil back to the light, and you will not clarify how your "loving kindness" spell works, other than the fact that it usually does for you.

so loving kindness is a spell now?
why dont you try it for yourself. no ones going to help you with your own love. though, they may come into contact with you so you can make a choice. you seem to be in search of some proof of the HC. that's for you to find not for me to show or tell. though i try. lord knows i try.

~

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

I'll put this out to the rest of the people who posted along the same lines earlier in the thread. The anecdotes are good. Throwing unconditional love at our enemies, recognizing that they're a part of the universal fabric and evolving and awakening as we are does work sometimes, if there is a resonance between our energy and theirs. If not, if they are of the psychopathic, parasitic projection, or if they are AI, it will not necessarily be of value. The bottom line is if you do not resist, and fight it, it will kill you...and there are a hundred million witnesses to this fact.

ok. thats your opinion. i have some very respectable friends that do what i do. love is tops. everything else at a vibrational frequency is below love.

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

I guess the secondary question here is, "Are all enemies created equally, and does a single approach, loving them, work in all situations?"

the same technique does not work for every enemy. you have to take into consideration their own abilities. but the foundation or base is always the same Loving kindness to all beings. then you create or reality engineer the HC according to the strength and weakness of the target.

like NIKE said, "JUST DO IT!"

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Visvasa144

maybe sociopath's control "things" but not psychopaths. im over the psychopath talk.

Sorry, you definitely don't see the definition I'm trying to send. Psychopath is far beyond sociopath but built on the same pattern.

Originally Posted by Visvasa144

so loving kindness is a spell now?

...and I have to be done with this. No, "loving kindness" is not a spell. The magical process you posted to create a ball of light and all, is. That's all I was saying.

Originally Posted by Visvasa144

you seem to be in search of some proof of the HC. that's for you to find not for me to show or tell.

In this you're mistaken. I need no proofs from you about anything. I simply don't believe your process works in all cases, and you basically admitted as much by your comments about the concentration camp. That is the level of evil that's manifest here, and though it may be carried out by individuals upon whom loving kindness will have an effect, I don't believe the perpetrators and their true minions are likely to be affected.

[Seashore]

I like the phrase "protection field"!

Thanks, susan/the eXchanger.

[Dominic]

What a great thread seashore!

I like the no enemies way of thinking that is getting to the bottom of a age old problem.

Sending love never felt so good. I am sure they are feeling it too.

2009 is going to be a great year!

Peace

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Dominic

What a great thread seashore!

I like the no enemies way of thinking that is getting to the bottom of a age old problem.

Sending love never felt so good. I am sure they are feeling it too.

2009 is going to be a great year!

Peace

Thanks, Dominic! I am enjoying it immensely and I'm gaining insight.

I'm not used to thinking that 2009 is going to be a great year. But you've planted a seed...

[Humble Janitor]

I'm a believer in not viewing people as enemies.

More like friendly rivals but never any concrete hatred.

[Seashore]

Thanks, Humble Janitor.

[Josefine]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

to them, love is a poison

and, yet, to us, those who are on the right road

love is, all there really is

love/susan
the eXchanger

Love is always love, never a poison, but THEY may be disappointed that their little plots to catch us off guard did not work.

Every one is on a road that is right for them at the time, since they did choose it, but anyone may decide any time that 'Hmm, this road is a little bit too harsh, even for me, maybe there is another way?'.

This is how the book "A Course in Miracles' found two people who had just posed this question. The source, being Jesus Christ, said: 'You are not really ready for this, yet, but time is short. You won't understand all of it until later, but if you take it down, it will help a lot of people'.

And it did.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Josefine

Love is always love, never a poison...

Good point...

This "love your enemy"... the word "your" is important... as Pogo said "we have met the enemy and he is us"... thus, if God is everything or nothing at all... and "he" is the source of all.. then the enemy is within if we only admit (let in) this truth. Light makes darkness disappear, but so does the darkness overcome light as when night time comes... the world is a pictorial illustration of truth. Perhaps it's not about one aspect vs the other.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by EpiphaMe

This "love your enemy"... the word "your" is important... as Pogo said "we have met the enemy and he is us"... thus, if God is everything or nothing at all... and "he" is the source of all.. then the enemy is within if we only admit (let in) this truth. Light makes darkness disappear, but so does the darkness overcome light as when night time comes... the world is a pictorial illustration of truth. Perhaps it's not about one aspect vs the other.

Awesome!

I had to read your post three times to assimilate it.

Thanks!

[Dakini]

Originally Posted by EpiphaMe

This "love your enemy"... the word "your" is important... as Pogo said "we have met the enemy and he is us"... thus, if God is everything or nothing at all... and "he" is the source of all.. then the enemy is within if we only admit (let in) this truth. Light makes darkness disappear, but so does the darkness overcome light as when night time comes... the world is a pictorial illustration of truth. Perhaps it's not about one aspect vs the other.

Yes, since we are all one, we are each of us reflected in one another. When I encounter those who can trigger me, for instance, those who are cruel to animals (this will def. do it), I immediately ask myself, "where inside of me has there been ignorance?" And I know in my past, when I was asleep I had my ignorant moments. This small act brings in the light, the love, the space for understanding and awareness. When we bring this in, offer it to ourselves, we can then choose to reflect it back to others. Take action when it's warranted.

Once when my nephew was about 8, I noticed him in the yard with a golf club, striking over and over a colony of ants. I went to him and said,
"Stop! Why are you killing them?"
"I don't know," he said.
"Do you think those ants have lives?"
"Yes."
"Would it be kind if someone came to your house and destroyed it and killed you and your friends?"
"No."
"It's something to think about, yes?"
"Yes. But they are just ants."
"Just ants? Everything living has a life - the trees, the grass, the flowers, the insects, everything. I don't know if our lives are better or worth more to them. Their lives mean something, too."
I have never seen him destroy another living thing.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Dakini

Yes, since we are all one, we are each of us reflected in one another.

This is going to stick with me...

Thanks!